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JFK- Montreal Dorval

Sat Aug 17, 2002 11:41 am

August 7, 2002
JFK-Montreal (YUL)
American Eagle
Flight #4856
departure 12:25 Pm
Aircraft: ERJ-140, seats 16 B & C

With a 12:25 departure there was no rush,but me and my girlfriend left my house in Central Jersey at a little before 10AM , we were at JFK by 11Am (all time shortest trip to JFK). I go to JFK all the time since it's a gold mine of International airlines and aircraft, but this is only the Second time I've flown out of JFK (the first I was very young coming back from Orlando on Eastern).

When we arrived at JFK two things had caught my eye, first the new JFK Airtrain http://www.panynj.gov/airtrain/index.html was operating. However it was not open to the public, they were testing the system for the first phase opening this fall. The next thing was how far they have progressed with the new AA terminal, terminals 8 & 9 are totally hidden behind the steel frame of the new terminal. After navigating the maze out front I parked in the hourly lot out front which is a total mess, then with baggage and girlfriend in tow we manuevered around all the construction equipment and entered Terminal 9. For those of you not familiar with JFK terminal 9 is UAL/NWA terminal built in the very early 1960s, it's very cramped and outdate. AA uses terminal 9 for most domestic flights and flights to Puerto Rico.

Here's a good photo of Terminal 9 taken before construction started:

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Check in was quick and we then proceeded upstairs to have lunch at Au Bon Pain, which is really nice and outside security with decent views of the runways for those thinking of visiting. Passing through security was a breeze, they had the new TSA screeners who made the process very painless.

Eagle operates out of a lower level concourse connected to Terminal 9 which is very reminiscent of the old COEX concourse at EWR (before it was torn down) the gates are all number 40. Our gate was 40B, the gates range from 40A-40H. We waited a little while and then they began lining up to board, they called a few folks (including my girlfriend) over for extra screening. They asked her to take off her sandals, when she did some baby powder she had put on them to keep from chaffing her feet had spilled on the carpet. She got nervous thinking the screeners would think it was Anthax or something, however the screeners were very nice and noted that it was a good idea to use powder on ones feet in high heel type sandals.

After that we proceeded through the door to a bus waiting outside, no Eagle aircraft actually are near the gates. Rather the gates are just ground level doors you walk through to board a bus, the bus took us over to where Eagle parks their aircraft. They park them right behind the new mid-field concourse which is part of AA's new terminal, it was not open however it was mostly complete. It's a very modern blue and grey building with about 12-16 gates, although the jet bridges were not installed yet it's quite impressive. The mid-field concourse which will be connected to the new main Terminal via an underground tunnel should be open by this Spring '03, which will allow demolition of the gates at Terminal 9 and 8 to begin.

Eagle had two lines of about aircraft each, there was a line of 8-10 Saab 340s parkd right up to the new mid-field concourse, just behind them was a line of 8 ERJs (mostly 135s). The schedule showed all ERJ-135s to YUL, however our aircraft was obviously bigger than a 135 ( thought it to be an ERJ-145). This was my first trip on a Regional Jet, same with my girlfriend and I have to admit I was shocked by how small it was inside. Im 5ft11'' and the top of my head was touching the ceiling, we took ourseats 16 B & C. Our seats were the last row in front of the lav, looking at the AA magazine's aircraft seating chart I realized that we were on a ERJ-140, to my knowledge ERJ-140s do not operate out of JFK for American so this had to be some sort of substitution originatting at another hub.


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The doors closed and the pilots started the engines which were incredibly loud for such a small plane, we taxied past Terminal 1 (and real close to the AF Concorde
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and past DL's World Port where we veered right and lined up on 13R-31L (the 14,000ft runway) and imediately took off. As soon as we got airborne the aircraft made a sharp left turn for noise abatment and we the swung around the airport offering excellent views of the airport and the South shore of Long Island, we then crossed Long Island sound and over Connecticut before rising above the clouds.

The flight was smooth, drinks and a power bar were served (no alchohlic drinks were sereved, which is a shame since I was in the mood for a bloody mary.

We began our decent into Montreal (YUL) over Lake Champlain which is really HUGE, very nice scenary. We the crossed over into Quebec and crossed over the Saint Lawerance river and made a sharp turn to line up with Dorvals runways, on approach to Dorval we passed very low over some huge houses on a gulf course South of the Airport right on the river then touchdown and airbrakes deploy.

Quick taxi over to the Transborder terminal, the terminal itself is quite old but they have done an excellent job renovating parts of it. Also they're currently building two new concourses for transborder/US flights. We pulled up to the gate (stairs) right under the wing of a Continental 737 which literally dwarfed our ERJ-140, we then proceeded through a lower level door which lead us to American's offices at Dorval (which was strange) and then down a really old hallway to the Immigration hall. Grab the bags and proceeded to the Immigration line, it went really quick and I showed them my birth certificate (instead of a passport) and they let me right through


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We exited the FIS hall, exchanged some money and grabbed a cab into downtown. We stayed for 6 days at the Downtown Montreal Courtyard Marritott on the 25 floor with excellent views of Mount Royal and the Air Transat building, who's sign lite up our room at night.

We had the best time in Montreal (our first visit), and promised each other to come back next Summer hopefully for the F-1 Grand Prix or the CART Molson Indy http://www.cart.com/Events.asp?ID=422 which we missed by a week or two.
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RE: JFK- Montreal Dorval

Sat Aug 17, 2002 11:49 am

Sorry about the gramatical errors, I will post the return leg later.

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RE: JFK- Montreal Dorval

Sat Aug 17, 2002 12:01 pm

Nice report! When i fly AE out of JFK back in Sept. 1998 they were operating out of the Gates 40-49 pier, but you still had to ride a bus. I remember getting back from BOS and climbing the stairs to gate 45 and seeing a DC-10 heading to LAX at the adjacent gate. What a site. Did you see an Expos game while you were in MTL?
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RE: JFK- Montreal Dorval

Sat Aug 17, 2002 12:09 pm

Unfortunetly the Expos were out of town that week , which is a shame because I really wanted to attend a game. However Montreal's CFL team (who's name Im not even going to attempt and spell) was there practicing and we got to see them. They used to play at Olympic stadium but nowplay at Mcginnis University Downtown. We did however take a tour of Olympic Stadium (got to go up to the dugout). The Olympic park is nice, especially the Olympic pools. Next time we are going to go swimming, and the Biosphere was in one word amazing!

The only problem was that day we went to Olympic park was terribly hot, and the walk from the Metro station (even though it's not that far) was brutal.
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RE: JFK- Montreal Dorval

Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:53 pm

Nice trip report.

It`s the Montreal Alouettes (or the Al`s as we call them), and it is a shame that you didn`t get to go to a game at Molson Stadium at McGill  Big grin University, as it is a great place to watch a football game. Great view of downtown Montreal and a really cozy atmosphere, since it has a capacity of 20,000

I am happy you enjoyed your time in our fine city, and highly encourage you to come in town for the F1 Grand Prix. just book your flights and hotel early.
 
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RE: JFK- Montreal Dorval

Sun Aug 18, 2002 12:35 am

As for the EMB-140's being on the East coast, Eagle has for the last month and a half been sending them to mainly Boston via Columbus (The trips sequence is like ORD-CMH-BOS- the onward). So you'll see a lot more 140's but the 145's are going to stay in ORD and DFW. So now the Fleet at each base looks like BOS: EMB-135/140, a Handfull of Saab 340B; JFK/LGA: EMB-135/140, handful of Saab 340B; MIA: ATR 42/72/72-212A; SJU: Same as MIA; ORD: EMB-140/145 , and the rare 135; DFW: EMB-135/140/145, Saab 340B/B+; LAX:EMB-140, Saab 340B/B+. As a sidenote the EMB-140 for certification pourposes is consided a EMB-135KR.
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RE: JFK- Montreal Dorval

Sun Aug 18, 2002 12:54 am

I will be doing YUL-JFK on the same plane you did.. i be leaving aug23 on flight 4808.then after jfk it is off to NRT ..(flight 47, JAL).. i have never been in such a small aircraft before..what is it like to fly in the ERJ-140.. i am geting excited to be in such a little bird.. one more week and i am outta here..!:D

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