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BRU-LHR-BRU On VEX And SNBA, Part II

Tue Sep 24, 2002 3:10 am

BRU-LHR-BRU on Virgin Express and SN Brussels Airlines, Part II

For who missed part I, here is a link to it:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/25237/

Day two:

Tom and me decided to get up at 6.30am. I set my alarm clock of my gsm at 6.20am, and he at 6.30am, to avoid that we overslept us  Smile

After we got up, and washed us a bit, we went downstairs for breakfast in the Ibis Heathrow Hotel. Breafkast there was again very expensive (4.95£), but you really got all what you wanted (a good choice in cakes, biscuits, drinks etc etc).

At 7.45am, our bags were packed, we went to the reception, and at 8.00, we departed for the airport in … yes … in the rain. From the Ibis Hotel, we saw the aircrafts taxiing to the holding point of R 27R, and we first went to there to hear the beautiful engine sounds during take off. It was great to hear the difference of the engine sounds during take off between the small Avro of SNBA we saw, and the B757, B767 and the B777 of BA  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

In the meantime, it had stopped raining, and at 8.45h, we took the bus to the Heathrow Central Bus Station. There we went over a bridge, and so we arrived at the entrance of the Terrace (Queens building, T2). Once we arrived there, a strong wind was blowing every single paper away. A very strong and cold wind made it very difficult to take pictures of the aircrafts when they landed at 27L.

Our eyes opened very quick, because which nice beauty passed before our nose:

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B-HOY, indeed!! One of the most beautiful aircrafts I had ever seen! The aircraft went to it’s parking position in front of the BMI hangar.

At 10am, we went to the aircraft miniature shop, and we were amazed with the collection of aircrafts we saw there!! We stayed more than one hour looking there to all those aircrafts. Because we did not have enough pounds (we still had to buy some food for in the afternoon), Tom buyed a B707 of Sabena (Aeroclassics) and an A319 of Sabena (Dragon Wings). I bought an A319 of Sabena (Dragonwings) and an A321 of Sabena with the Qualiflier logo (Dragon Wings).

Due to the heavy rain, we went to the snack shop to eat some food, after we visited the inflight shop.

At 1pm, we went back to the terrace (were we saw an A310 of SU parked at the gate), but due to the heavy rain, we went one level lower, were you can spot the aircrafts without standing in the rain.

Here is a summary of all the nice aircrafts we saw:

- B-HOY: CX B744
- ZS-SAT: SA B744
- ZS-SAZ : SA B744
- D-AIAK : LH A310
- C-GAGN: AC B744
- VH-OJB : QF B744

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- PH-BZG: KL B763
- HB-IWL: LX MD11
- 9Y-TJN: BWIA A343
- ZK-VBN : NZ B744
- 9K-AOB: KU B772
- G-BOAE: BA Concorde
- SU-KQF: KQ B763
- A40-LZF : GF A343
- HZ-MIS : SV L1011
- F-OGQT : SU A310
- 4X-ECB : LY B772
- JA8132: JL B742F
- 6V-JMP: Air Jamaica A343
- C-GFAH: AC A333
- D-AIAS: LH A300
- 7T-VJC: AH A310
- JA8085: JL B744
- G-VSHY : VS A346

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Because our flight left at 18.25, we decided to leave the terrace around 4pm, but because we wanted a good end of our great spotting trip, we waited for the take off roll of BA B744 G-CIVS  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

At that time, it was already 4.20pm, and we finally left the terrace, to go to Terminal 1.

We arrived in front of T1 around 4.35pm, watched the signs were we had to check in (Area E desk 9), and queued in front of the VEX check in desk. The lady told us that we could check in at the SNBA counters, so we gave the very friendly SNBA check in agent our reservation number. I mailed a week before departure SNBA with the question if they could put us on row 10 seat A and C, but they mailed us back that you can only do this when you depart at BRU, not when you depart in a foreign airport. But because I wanted those seats, I told the check in agent that our seats were, following a confirmation of SNBA, 10A and 10C, but unfortunately, already someone else had taken them  Sad. He showed us his screen with the seats which were still available, and I was surprised that already the whole right side of the plane was full!! Together with already a big part of the other side of the aircraft. I asked him if he could give us a window seat on another row, and he gave us row 7.

We left the check in area, and went to ‘International departures’ were we waited about 45 mins, after the fast security checks, before we knew to which gate we had to go.

Only 30 minuts before departure, someone said into the speakers that ‘The passengers of SN Brussels Airlines flight 3828 could proceed to gate B29’.

A short walk brought us to gate B29, and after a ticket- and passport check, we could sit down in a kind of lounge were we had to wait until boarding started aboard of our Avro RJ100 of SN Brussels Airlines, OO-DWC:

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Deep in my head, I had hoped to fly on OO-DWC, since it was the first Avro that was repainted in the full SNBA colours, and my dream to fly on that one, became true.

But what did we get to see… Row 7 was apparently the one without a window on the RJ100  Crying I reclined my seat so that I could look out of the window behind me, but this was the one of the worst things that could have happened, no window during our first Avro flight  Sad

20 minuts before scheduled take off time, boarding started. The aircraft was not connected with the bridge, so we had to go on the tarmac first before we could enter the plane. The Avro was surrounded by a B757 of BA (G-CPED) and an A321 of AY (OH-LZA).

The loadfactor of the flight: 8 people were in business class (there were 15 business class seats, so 3 rows), and there were 75 people in economy (for 82 economy class seats), so the average load factor was 86%.

Flight was on time (we were even ready 5 minuts before schedule), but due to too much traffic going to the runway, we had to wait 25 minuts before we were pushed back, and started taxiing to Runway 09L.

In front of us were a BA B772 and a BA A319, after us were a LH A321, a BA A320 and an IB A320.

Finally, at 6.55pm, we started our take off roll. Take off was very powerful and short, and from the window behind me, I saw an MS B777 that was parked at the end of a taxiway.

Soon after take off, the flight attendants started serving food and drinks. We could choose between all beverages we wanted, and we got two very good and tasteful sandwiches as meal, one with cheese and one with ham.

As far as I could look out the window, we flew fast and low. I clearly saw the Belgian coastline.

Finally, the captain informed us that we were starting to descent, and that we had to fasten our seatbelts due to some turbulence (the weather was bad).

15 minuts later, an end came to our LHR-BRU flight, when we touched down on Runway 25L.

We taxied to Terminal B, were we waited to disembark until the last passengers had left the plane. We went to a stewardess to ask an after-flight cockpit visit, and she brought us to the cockpit. The two pilots were very friendly and attentive, and we started talking with the first officer about SNBA (what he thinks about the new company etc etc).

We talked about 10 minuts, and than we went outside the plane to take some pictures.

After this, he had to hurry, because the crew bus was waiting. We said goodbye, and went up the stairs to take our handluggage. I went back together with Tom for one second into the cabin were I took this picture:

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And this was the end of our fantastic trip to LHR.

I hope you enjoyed the second part of this report, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask them.

Best regards,
Tom - Frederic
 
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RE: BRU-LHR-BRU On VEX And SNBA, Part II

Tue Sep 24, 2002 4:28 am

Hi Frederic and Tom,

I also enjoyed reading the second part of your trip report. What a pity that the weather was not perfect but it sounds like you guys had an interesting day there.

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Tue Sep 24, 2002 4:40 am

Hey Frederic,

Once again a great and very detailed trip report. Great job!  Big thumbs up Although, I think that you have forgotten to mention one detail : the nice plane that we saw taxi away when we leaved for our flight  Big grin I'll hope you know what I'm talking about.
Honestly, when I read that report, I'm really looking forward to our next trip. Maybe we'll win a trip to SXM, who knows Big grin

Best regards,

Tom
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RE: BRU-LHR-BRU On VEX And SNBA, Part II

Tue Sep 24, 2002 6:50 am

Hi Sabena 690 and Turbotrent,

Nice report. It seems you guys had a memorable trip.

> if they could put us on row 10 seat A and C

Why do you like row 10 in particular?

> Row 7 was apparently the one without a window on the RJ100
> this was the one of the worst things that could have happened

I had a same traumatic no window experience on a recent flight BRU-LIN. I asked the check-in lady at LIN for a window seat on the right side and on the last row. I expected that the view from the last row would be the least hindered by the wing and that a seat on the right side gives a more interesting view during a 25L approach at BRU (finally it turned out to be a 25R approach). However, it appeared to be that -at least on a B733- the last row on the right doesn't have a window of it's own. Bad luck! However, on both legs of the flight I happened to sit next to some interesting business men, with whom I had a nice chat.

> Tom buyed a B707 of Sabena (Aeroclassics)

How much were these? I guess they quickly cost about 20 euro, however they're surely nice toys.  Wink/being sarcastic

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Tue Sep 24, 2002 7:12 am

Nice trip report. Too bad you guys didn't get a window seat...let's call it bad luck. I must say it surprises me that SN BA can't arrange the seats on the flights inbound for BRU in advance...TAP did this for me a couple of months ago, no problem...Maybe they should switch to the TAP software?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Established02:

According to what Tom told me, he paid something like ???75...> ??? 20 Seems like those LHR guys really ripped him off...LOL

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Tue Sep 24, 2002 7:15 am

From reading these excellent reports I would assume your trip to have been a great success.

Thanks for all your interesting information...it certainly looks as if you worried too much about which day to visit Heathrow in your first posts on the Civ.Av board a few weeks ago! As I said then, any day is guaranteed fun at Heathrow!

Looks like your flights were good too; I flew the RJ with the old Sabena, on a flight from BHX to BRU, then their 737 to HEL....good service, nice crew and efficient operation. Looks like SNBA are the continuing this tradition.

 
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Tue Sep 24, 2002 4:39 pm

Hi guys,

@Patrick: thanks for the nice comments!

@Tom:
Once again a great and very detailed trip report. Great job!

Thanks  Big thumbs up

Although, I think that you have forgotten to mention one detail : the nice plane that we saw taxi away when we leaved for our flight

I hope you are not talking about that Swiss we saw taxi away when we left  Big grin This was unfortunately the last plane we saw taxi from the terrace  Sad

Honestly, when I read that report, I'm really looking forward to our next trip.

Me too!!  Big thumbs up

Maybe we'll win a trip to SXM, who knows

I hope so  Big thumbs up

@Edwin:
Nice report. It seems you guys had a memorable trip.

Thanks!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Why do you like row 10 in particular?

Row 10 is nice for shots like this:

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I had a same traumatic no window experience on a recent flight BRU-LIN.
It's very sad, I know  Sad

> Tom buyed a B707 of Sabena (Aeroclassics)How much were these? I guess they quickly cost about 20 euro, however they're surely nice toys.

It's a limited edition. Tom payed around 30£ for it in England, but I bought them in Holland for €37,80, and the Caravelle for €32,75. To see the shop, check this link: http://www.lhshop.nl. The aircrafts are not listed yet there, but if you want to order them, you have to mail one of the persons on the 'Contact' page.

@Ivan:
Nice trip report.

Thanks!

Too bad you guys didn't get a window seat...

I know  Sad

I must say it surprises me that SN BA can't arrange the seats on the flights inbound for BRU in advance...

I told the check-in agent that I had contacted SNBA for those seats, and that they confirmed it, but actually I had asked Virgin Express to preserve those seats, and they are the ones who told that it is not possible to do this on an inbound flight (I think I made a small mistake in my post about this).

According to what Tom told me, he paid something like ???75...>

75 is a bit expensive, isn't it? Big grin

@Capt. Picard:
From reading these excellent reports I would assume your trip to have been a great success.

Thanks! The trip was indeed excellent!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

it certainly looks as if you worried too much about which day to visit Heathrow in your first posts on the Civ.Av board a few weeks ago! As I said then, any day is guaranteed fun at Heathrow!

Yes, indeed! What I didn't know than was that LHR virtually has no charter traffic (and to be honnest, I missed the mostly colourful charter planes a bit  Smile)

Looks like your flights were good too; I flew the RJ with the old Sabena, on a flight from BHX to BRU, then their 737 to HEL....good service, nice crew and efficient operation. Looks like SNBA are the continuing this tradition.

SN Brussels Airlines is EXCELLENT!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Best regards,
Frederic



 
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Tue Sep 24, 2002 6:54 pm

Great trip report, thanks.

So you were allowed to stay aboard until 15 minutes after arrival, and even longer than part of the crew stayed aboard?  Wow!

Viewing the cabin shot you posted above, I wonder: Where's the curtain? Did they remove the curtain (which is not so much work) especially for your picture? Or were you standing in the first row of Economy when you took that picture?

When I flew LHR-STR on a BA 734, I asked for a window seat in the very last row, and indeed, I got this seat (24A). After check-in, I somehow got the feeling that the last row maybe does not have a window. But I was lucky, there was a window. Established02 wrote that the last row of "his" 733 did not have a window, so I guess it depends on the configuration, number and size of toilets and galleys, ...
 
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RE: BRU-LHR-BRU On VEX And SNBA, Part II

Tue Sep 24, 2002 7:47 pm

Hello Guys,

@ Ivan : Indeed, my fault, I was confused about the prices (damn, those £), I paid about 70£ for all the models I have bought, so not only for the 707. Sorry, my bad  Sad

Greetz,

Tom
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Tue Sep 24, 2002 7:57 pm

Hi Ndeble,

So you were allowed to stay aboard until 15 minutes after arrival

Yes!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

and even longer than part of the crew stayed aboard?

Well, after we took pictures of the plane outside, the crew left once we went back to the airbridge to go to the terminal. But instead of going to the terminal, we fast went back to the plane to take some pictures (plane was empty). There I took the shot you can see in my post above. And the picture was taken after row 2 I think, and because only 3 rows are business class, I think that you cannot see the curtains anymore.

Regards,
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Tue Sep 24, 2002 11:05 pm


Hi Frederic,

Thanks for part two !

Regards, SN-A330
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Wed Sep 25, 2002 5:12 pm

Thanks for part two !

Thanks SN-A330! Big grin

In the meantime, my cockpit shot is also accepted:

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Wed Sep 25, 2002 8:05 pm


Congrats with your pictures Frederic !

Regards, SN-A330

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Fri Sep 27, 2002 11:22 pm

Thanks again for the nice comments, SN-A330!

Here are some others:

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And some others in the queu Big grin

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Sat Sep 28, 2002 6:40 am

Congrats!  Big thumbs up Nice stuff.....I really like that Scottish tail on the BA plane....I flew on one such plane to Seychelles.
 
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Sat Sep 28, 2002 4:36 pm

Thanks again Captain!! Big grin

Here is another one (the screeners work fast at the moment Big grin):


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Sat Sep 28, 2002 11:23 pm

Frederic / Tom

First up, great reports, enjoyed reading them. A quick question for you if I may.

I am considering spending some time at LHR when I go to London in Dececmber.

Can you tell me which area you preferred for spotting, Hatton Cross or the Terrace? I am not really in to taking photos, but would like to record the regos, and love being under the planes when they land.

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RE: BRU-LHR-BRU On VEX And SNBA, Part II

Sun Sep 29, 2002 12:27 am

Hi Milesdependent,

Personally, I prefer Hatton Cross, because I take pictures, and I find it more spectacular. But if you want to write down as much regs as possible, I have to recommend the terrace.

Terrace is very nice but you don't have the action of Hatton Cross (although you see the planes touching the ground which is great).

To be honnest, I can't choose Big grin Anyway, when the weather is bad, I dislike the terrace (very strong winds).

and love being under the planes when they land.

Me too! But if you want to be under the planes, forget the terrace.

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Sun Sep 29, 2002 2:22 am

Sabena 690:

Nice pictures indeed!

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Fri Oct 04, 2002 6:01 am

And another big A+, this time to part II, great trip report you have made here!  Big thumbs up

Finally I've booked my next London spotting/seightseeing visit, the end of this month (31-10), on BA. From AMS to LGW in the morning, and back from LHR to AMS in the evening....I think I'm gonna try Hatton Cross as well this time....I also need more information on spotting @ LGW, maybe someone out there?......

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Fri Oct 04, 2002 7:59 am

KL

Gatwick will mainly be a few BA longhaul flights to American cities not served by LHR (San Diego, Phoenix, Denver and some others I can't remember....all 777), all the British holiday airlines, Virgin flights to 'Disney' destinations, and those US airlines which cannot fly to LHR (Delta, US, Continental, Northwest plus American too), plus some other interesting airlines which just don't fly to LHR (Aerolineas Argentinas, Ukraine airlines, Lithuanian etc. etc...)

For spotting, there is an observation deck which you can access for a small charge.....it's not 'great', it's ok...better than nothing.

I believe the '1st Spotter's' website has some specific info on other areas which are mostly accessed by car (threshold, approach....if you want to get closer).

You might also want to email those photographers based at LGW, who have submitted photos into the database...they may have some handy info.

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Fri Oct 04, 2002 4:24 pm

Hi KL713,

Nice to see that you booked your LHR trip  Smile

A suggestion: do you live far away from BRU? You can still book VEX tickets here for 88 euro, all in!! Return is with SNBA, and this with a low cost ticket  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

You take the plane here at 7.15am, and you take the plane back to BRU there at 7.30pm. So you have a very long day there.

I cannot help you for LGW, but I strongly recommend to do a visit to Hatton Cross!! Remember, bus 285 (a free bus).

Good luck and best regards,
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Mon Oct 07, 2002 1:10 am

hi Sabena 690,

I had the plans earlier to book a flight to London out of BRU, the only problem is that I don't have my drivers license, so I must take the train out of Rotterdam or The Hague, I'm about to move from Amsterdam to Arnhem (eastern Holland) at the end of october, maybe one of my next London trips after the one of october (probably somewhere in january/february) I'm considering VEX/SNBA, I only have to find a cheap hotel in the neighbourhood then....then I also can do some spotting @ BRU maybe Big grin

btw, can I earn BA FF points on SNBA flights?? They have a code-share coorperation don't they?

I had that feeling already that I didn't had to expect that much from LGW, but I have to make that flight to LGW anyway....so I'll give it a try.....but I will be at LHR a little bit earlier this time! Big grin (thanx for the information Capt. Picard)

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RE: BRU-LHR-BRU On VEX And SNBA, Part II

Mon Oct 07, 2002 2:41 am

Hi Danny,

I'm considering VEX/SNBA

Forget VEX, SNBA will stop it's codeshare agreements with VEX, and start codesharing with BA.

So it's finished with low cost tickets from BRU to LHR  Sad

You can buy SNBA tickets at the moment starting from 140 Euro I believe.

btw, can I earn BA FF points on SNBA flights??

Normally yes.

BTW: SNBA and BA do not codeshare yet. Codeshare starts at the end of this month (I can be wrong, but it is the 27th I believe). It also means that BA will start using 757 and 767 aircrafts from LHR to BRU.

Happy spotting!! Big grin Big grin

Regards,
Frederic



 
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Fri Oct 11, 2002 10:14 pm

Would be cool if you could give me some spotting tips for BRU, when I'm gonna make plans to visit Belgium Big grin

catch ya later!

regards,

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Sat Oct 12, 2002 12:08 am

Hi Danny,

Check your email please.

Regards,
Frederic

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