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FRA-Cyprus On Turkish Airlines A340 And 737-400

Sat Dec 21, 2002 12:25 am

Hello everybody,

this morning I returned from my pre-Christmas holiday in (Northern) Cyprus, intended to get away from the Christmas bruhaha here in Germany.

I decided to go to Cyprus for a week; because of the current media coverage, I wanted to check out first hand the situation in the non-existing country "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus".

(Feel free to skip this and go directly to the first flights)

I booked a package tour about three weeks before the intended travel period with the major German tour operator Oeger - famous for losing 200 customers in a plane crash off the Dominican Republic in 1996. The flights were supposed to be with Sun Express via AYT.
However, two weeks before departure, Oeger plainly informed me that my holiday would be cancelled because the flights had been cancelled due to low demand.
I started laughing. When I stopped, I wrote back a letter, informing them that we had a valid holiday treaty by which they had to abide. If they failed to do so, I threatened legal action. I graciously allowed them to rebook me on a scheduled flight.

Apparently I got my point across rather well: two weeks later (i.e. three days before departure), an Oeger representative phoned me, apologised and said I was rebooked on a Turkish Airlines/Cyprus Turkish Airlines combination via IST.
Two days later, the tickets arrived. I was rather astonished to see I had been rebooked again, now on a purely TK connexion  Sad .
There was another change: the ticket identified the destination airport as Geçitkale GEC - up to then, I had been sure to arrive at the main airport Ercan ECN. I learned later that the latter (near Nicosia) is closed at the moment due to construction works; during that period, all traffic is diverted to the former (near Famagusta).

Anyway, one day before departure, everything was finally sorted out, and I boarded the train to FRA.

FIRST FLIGHT, December 12, 2002

FRA-IST 1145-1540 TK1588
operated by A340-311 TC-JDK "Isparta" (del. August 10, 1993)

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I was positively surprised to be told upon check in "Why do you want row 14? The exit row is number 26!" You see, I had expected an A310 - but a 340 on such a short route is always nice - especially because this was only my third overall 340 flight.

The plane was quite empty, only about 70 pax. I had the bad luck though, to be stuck next to a fatty who farted all the time. Oh well...
Other than that, the flight was particularly pleasant. TK struck me (on this flight) as a very good airline up on a level with its European competitors. We got a decent warm meal (Turkey, and that on a flight to Turkey!). On the negative side, though, has to be noted that the beverage cart came through the aisles only twice - not enough on a flight of over four hours.

I got some awesome views of the snowed Balkans: from Croatia right until the Turko-Bulgarian border the land was completely white. A cloudless sky made for tremedous sights from 11K metres. With the help of some maps, I could make out single cities - hence I can give you the great piece of information that we started our descent right over Edirne  Smile/happy/getting dizzy .

Because I had so much time in IST, I had checked in only for the first leg. So I had to clear immigration, get my suitcase and check in again.

I spotted some interesting planes at IST:

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... and some others that are even too exotic to be in this site´s database.

SECOND FLIGHT, December 12, 2002

IST-GEC 1950-2115 TK1264
operated by B737-4Y0 TC-JEV "Efes" (del. May 6, 1993)

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(Now Patrick, how´d you like LH naming their planes Warstein, Krombach or Radeberg? Big grin )

I checked in, this time keeping my suitcase as well as my rucksack with me, proceeded through passport check and arrived at my gate´s security checkpoint. (At IST, every gate is screened individually.) I didn´t encounter any lines anywhere.

When we were bussed to the a/c, another pleasant surprise: a -400 instead of the scheduled -800. The -400 is also exotic for me with only one prior flight on one.

Before boarding, everyone had to identify their luggage which was lined up in front of the a/c.
This flight was again extremely empty, only 28 passengers in all.
Since it was all dark outside, the flight was unspectacular in terms of sights, so we arrived after one and a half eventless hours at GEC.

The airport is extremely shabby: one runway, no taxiway (had to to a 180 degree turn on the end of the runway and taxi back on it) and the terminal "building" - well, my politeness stops me from giving any commentary, but if you happen to know the old DTM and imagine something half as good, you get an idea... I hear, btw, the airport at Lefkonoiko/Geçitkale is in fact a Turkish Air Force Base, which explains the heavily armed guide at the entrance for the outer airport perimeter. And that was only the first impression of a very VERY heavy military presence in the country...

(again, skip that if you´re bored)

I was of course the only Oeger customer arriving, so the local representative himself picked me up and drove me to my hotel. There had been a change there: the hotel on which I was originally booked (directly at the beach, 4 kilometres from Kyrenia) was closed; instead I got another one 2 kilometres from the beach, 11 kilometres from Kyrenia - you can imagine one of the next items on my To Do List is "write another harsh letter to Oeger demanding a price reduction or else" Big grin . These suckers will wish I never had booked my trip with them. You know, bad experiences spread like a forest fire, new potential customers are turned away by that. So I give you a friendly advice, Germans: don´t book at Oeger  Laugh out loud .

Anyway, I got what I wanted, namely an insight into the Cyprus and Turkey/EU questions which are so hotly debated right now. I also realised that the tourism in Northern Cyprus is not much developped at all. There´s good potential, but so far nearly unused. Considering tourism is a great money maker, I now understand why Northern Cyprus is so impoverished compared to the South.
I also visited Nicosia, checking out the UN troops which were busy keeping the peace.

THIRD FLIGHT, December 19, 2002

GEC-IST 0605-0735 TK1265
operated by B737-4Q8 TC-JKA "Kars" (del. May 2, 1994)

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I got picked up at 0400 for the transfer back to GEC. Unfortunately, the facilities are so basic, that I was checked in only for the first flight - by this lovely old system of stickers with your seat number attached to the boarding pass. I had decided to keep my luggage with me, otherwise it would be highly improbable to make the 60 minute connexion at IST.

Security was appallingly low. In my life, I´ve never ever met such a ridiculously low amount of screening before being allowed airside. Really bad.

Again the luggage was lined up for identification in front of the a/c.

I boarded, settled in my seat, heard the "boarding complete" announcement at 0550 and thought "hey, I might make my onward flight after all". However, after long minutes of painful waiting, two passengers were paged to identify their luggage. This had to be repeated THRICE. So, thanks to these bozos, we took to the air 20 minutes behind schedule.  Pissed

Load was low again, only about 40 people, 20 of whom belonged to a group of young, cheap looking Moldavian females (Nachtigall, ick hoer dir trapsen...)

We landed with only 18 minutes delay, so I was confident; so were the two other couples, who wanted to get the same flight as me. However, our taxi seemed to take forever: we blocked at 0811, I was in the terminal at 0822 - always keep in mind my flight was about to leave at 0835.

The great consumer oriented TK did not provide me with any help whatsoever. A normal airline would have expected me at the arrival gate with boarding pass ready and rushed me to the departure gate.
Not so TK. all on my own, I had to proceed to the "Transfer Desk" - which was inundated by masses of raging Turkmens, whose flight from ASB had just landed three hours late, busting all their connexions. (Quite funny, when you´re on a once weekly flight and can´t leave the transit area due to lack of visa...) I got out my elbows, fought my way to the lonely agent and made clear that my flight was to leave in 10 minutes and I better get a boarding pass quick. She took my ticket and vanished. She came back at 0828 and told me my flight was closed, my fare allowed no changes, I had to buy a new ticket. Mentally tearing first her fingers then her head off, I explained patiently I was on an online connexion with the incoming flight delayed, hence she must get me the boarding pass, flight closed or not. She vanished again. She came back at 0832, handing me a hand written (!) boarding pass and told me "You, quick. Airplane close door!" I made a mental note to be dissatisfied with TK staff´s friendliness as well as their mastering of the English language, grabbed the boarding pass and ran of to my gate. I arrived, soaking wet from sweat, at 0836, went to security and slumped into my seat. The door was closed at 0838; needless to say the fellow passengers from the GEC flight had not made it.

FOURTH FLIGHT, December 19, 2002

IST-FRA 0835-1040 TK1587
operated by A340-313X TC-JIH "Hakkari" (Harakiri?  Big grin ) (del. April 22, 1999)

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Where was I? Right, I slumped into my seat. I immediately noticed the ARJ 70/100 safety card in the seat pocket in front of me. I quickly repossessed it, thereby creating a win-win situation: I had eliminated a dangerous safety risk for them by obtaining a nice souvenir for me Big grin .

We took off with a 15 minutes delay. After a very nice flight, including a spectacular view of the snowy Balaton over which we directly passed in perfect sunnny weather, we circled for 45 minutes over Wuerzburg, touching down with a delay of 50 minutes.


I routinely asked for inflight cockpit visits on all four flights. I was turned down on three occasions, citing company rules. On one flight (won´t say which of the four), an exception was made: the Captain said he enjoyed visitors very much, a pity nowadays people were afraid to ask. We concurred security must be as much as necessary and as few as possible on the ground, but security measures must not be placed on the air crew´s shoulders. They have other jobs and can´t take care of that too. After a very pleasant discussion, he sent me back to my seat just prior to landing.

Thanks for your interest, I hope I didn´t bore you too much.

I hope you enjoy reading as much as I enjoyed writing. Feedback and questions always welcome.


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RE: FRA-Cyprus On Turkish Airlines A340 And 737-400

Sat Dec 21, 2002 1:11 am

Great report Daniel!

I did really feel with you when it got tight for your connection since I had about the same feeling twice within the last two weeks. Once on my HLX flight from TXL to CGN and then again on my FR flight from PIK to STN. But you will read more about it as soon as we post our trip report within the next few days.


RE: FRA-Cyprus On Turkish Airlines A340 And 737-400

Sat Dec 21, 2002 1:36 am

Very nice report !
But the FRA-IST flight can hardly be close to 4 hours, right ?
Actually it should be a little less than three hours.

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RE: FRA-Cyprus On Turkish Airlines A340 And 737-400

Sat Dec 21, 2002 2:49 am

Yes, you´re right. A typo, it was supposed to be "a flight over three hours". FRA-IST was slightly over THREE hours (block time), I didn´t pay that much attention because of the FOUR hour layover that was to come. I guess that´s where the confusion on my part came from.
IST-FRA was a little more than 3:30 (because of the holding) - I did pay attention there, because I had a train I wanted to catch.

Thanks for pointing that out.

A few points I forgot to mention:

The IST-FRA leg had only about 60 pax. It´s really beyond me why they substituted the A310 on both flights with the 340.

On the IST-FRA plane, numerous copies of the JAL inflight magazine were available; I suppose that´s in order to make the JL customers on the code shares feel more at home.

Other than that, the newspapers distributed on board were:
FRA-IST Turkish/German
IST-GEC Turkish
GEC-IST Turkish/English
IST-FRA Turkish

Interesting tidbit (though interesting only for me): I flew on LH´s oldest and youngest 340-300 in one trip, and now with TK´s second oldest and second youngest 340-300. And TK´s was even older than LH´s D-AIGA, I didn´t realise that until now.

And, lastly, I also made a trip to Famagusta - at least one major city in the North that is not divided.

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RE: FRA-Cyprus On Turkish Airlines A340 And 737-400

Sat Dec 21, 2002 2:57 am

Hello Daniel,

you wrote an excellent and entertaining trip report as usual, I enjoyed reading very much. Cool that you got the A 340 instead of the A 310, I can imagine that TK switch to bigger equipment because of the upcoming Christmas holidays.

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RE: FRA-Cyprus On Turkish Airlines A340 And 737-400

Sat Dec 21, 2002 4:44 am

Interesting trip report about an unusual holiday trip! I wonder who mixed up the safety cards of the ARJ with those of the A340  Wow! Did you see any difference in cabin design between the two B737s? TC-JKA is ex SX-BFA of Galaxy Airways (so it's an old friend of mine, as I used to work for Galaxy's ground handling at STR). But I don't think they still have the LH-like grey/yellow seats, do they?
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RE: FRA-Cyprus On Turkish Airlines A340 And 737-400

Sat Dec 21, 2002 5:02 am

Fantastic report, Daniel!

You described the 'tight connection' phase so good that I started getting nervous in your place Big grin Big grin

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RE: FRA-Cyprus On Turkish Airlines A340 And 737-400

Sat Dec 21, 2002 1:45 pm

Excellent report...

Just wondering, on the first flight, it seems like there was plenty of empty seats on the flight, maybe you could have moved to an empty row away from your flatulent seatmate??

I think to have 2 drink services on a 3 hour flight is fairly in the US you would normally get one on most airlines...

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RE: FRA-Cyprus On Turkish Airlines A340 And 737-400

Sat Dec 21, 2002 5:45 pm

Well, Greg, I could have - but I preferred the abundant leg room in the exit row; I´m tall and lean, if I was broad and short, I´d probably have moved.

Hmm, Ndebele, I didn´t notice a difference. Didn´t pay attention, though. Was more preoccupied worrying about my connexion...

Thanks all for your kind comments,

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RE: FRA-Cyprus On Turkish Airlines A340 And 737-40

Sun Dec 22, 2002 6:40 am


come to think of it, yes there was a major difference between KA and EV: KA had a built-in airstair (at the forward left door of course); the safety card didn´t reflect that difference, though.

And, another bit I should have mentioned: at the check-in counters at FRA I was approached by a woman who wanted me to check-in some of her luggage – because she wanted to avoid the extra charge for being over the (generous 30 kilos) allowance. I told her to bugger off and warned that this was illegal and dangerous. The check-in ladies had watched the scene too and agreed with me they´d have an eye on the lady and foil further similar attempts, if necessary by the help of the cops.

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