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Concorde CDG-CDG 1st March 2003

Mon Apr 07, 2003 5:51 am

On a regular basis, Air France allow one of their Aircraft to be charters, on Saturdays, to fly enthusiast trips in and out of Charles De Gaulle. The airline does not operate a scheduled New York service on Saturdays, as years of experience have show it not to be a busy day on the route. Running an enthusiast charter allows the airline guaranteed revenue from the aircraft that would otherwise not be used.

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10 out of 10 to air France at this point; as only 2 days previously they had suffered a rudder failure en-route to New York, stranding an aircraft out there. With 2 other aircraft in maintenance checks they re-timed their AF001 service the day before our trip to ensure an aircraft would be available in Paris on the Saturday and also to carry out the AF002 on the Sunday.

Air France charter out the aircraft, for a trip round the Bay of Biscay, to Air Loisirs services (ALS) who along with Goodwood Travel in the UK, market these flight to both the Concorde enthusiasts, or the many people who have wanted to fly on Concorde as their trip of a lifetime.

In the UK, Goodwood Travel offer up a series of packages that range from spending a long weekend in Paris, with various city tours, to a day trip with Eurostar travel from London. ALS organise a one day special for their clients, who in the morning visit to the French air museum at Le Bourget, enjoy a luncheon at the airport Hilton Hotel, followed by an airside bus tour of the airport before the late afternoon flight. After the Supersonic trip the guest are entertained at a cocktail reception.

Due to work commitments, I could only spend one day in Paris so had to opt for the day trip. At 6:20am we set off on the Eurostar from London Waterloo International, bound for Paris. On our arrival in Paris we were met at the Gare du Nord station, by the Goodwood tour managers. As some guests had travelled over on the previous day, those of us arriving on Saturday would meet up with them at the city centre hotel, before heading off to the airport in the early afternoon.

While the ALS guests were enjoying a bite to eat and being entertained by their flamboyant host, Michel Thorigny, the UK group had a little free time to see some part of Paris and do some shopping before heading to the airport for a 15:30 check in.

After organising more than 25 of these special flights both, ALS and Goodwood had come to the conclusion that it was best to pre-seat everyone and more importantly mix the 2 nationalities throughout the aircraft, as this had proved to create a far better atmosphere.

As we were all pre-booked and had no luggage, the check in would be purely a formality, where we would show our passport and be given our official boarding card, before proceeding through security to the special 1st Class Concorde lounge at CDG Terminal 2A. Concorde operations are from the International terminal at the airport, so even though we were not actually leaving the country we had to go through passport control.

The Concorde lounge had plenty of room and everyone tucked in to a small snack and a glass of Champagne...or something stronger! With the flight having limited time in the air there were somethings you would not be wanting to waste time with on board the aircraft....like visiting the toilet (unless you wanted to join the 11mile high club), but the lounge had only one toilet which had quite a queue, obviously everyone else had the same idea  Smile

The lounge afforded magnificent views but unfortunately, not of Concorde who was sitting a few gates down on his usual stand, A20...his tail could be seen so we all knew where to head.

All too soon it was time to board the aircraft. As Concorde only has one thin aisle, like many aircraft in service, boarding was by seat row number - starting with the passengers in the rear cabin. With my seat being 2B, I had a little more time to enjoy the atmosphere and the sense of anticipation that hung in the air.

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One of my only criticisms of the entire day was the appalling behaviour of the airport police who wanted to stop anyone taking pictures, and quite clearly would confiscate any camera equipment if they were not obeyed. After taking once picture I was followed and threatened when I took a second. The whole sequence of events was repeated many times, much to the embarrassment of the local Concorde enthusiasts who could only apologise for the behaviour of their countrymen, who could easily have turned a blind eye as it was quite obvious what was going on and what was being photographed. Anyway, here is one of those snatched pics  Smile/happy/getting dizzy)

Our aircraft for the day was F-BTSD. This aircraft was the penultimate Concorde to have been built in France in 1978, and one of the three aircraft Air France had acquired for 1 Franc in 1980. Sierra-delta was the aircraft that had been used in 2001 to test out the new Michelin NZG tyres that were one of the key elements to getting the aircraft back in service after the accident in July 2000.

On a personal note it was nice to be flying in this specific aircraft; 6 month earlier I had been fortunate to get the chance to walk round and photograph him (for the detailed pictures section of my website) on the apron at Vartry airport during a crew training session.

Once on board you knew this was not going to be any ordinary flight. Everyone had their cameras out and since there was little or no hand baggage to help with, the 6 flight attendants spend most of their time taking pictures for people. What grabbed me here was not just the excitement of the moment, but also the emotion of it. For many they were about to fulfill their lifetime ambition to fly on Concorde, and more that a tear or two was being shed throughout the cabin.

Waiting for us in our seats was an Air France Concorde pack that is given out to all passengers. This includes a special booklet on the aircraft detailing his history, performance and flight profiles, along with specially produced Air France Concorde stationary. On every Concorde flight, since the aircraft entered service, it has been traditional to issue a special certificate to those on board to mark that they "broke the sound barrier" on the aircraft. These certificates are pre-printed for each passenger and had been signed by the commander before our arrival on board the aircraft, one person on board commented that they would have it framed when they got home!

ALS also provided an A4 sheet with a map and description of our route as well as listing the crew for the flight.

During pre-departure checks the Cockpit crew were kind enough to leave their door open to give anyone who wanted to the opportunity to get a quick picture of them at work. The cockpit crews and flight attendants for the charter flights, more time than not, tend to be made up of staff who volunteer to carry out the "round the bay" flights knowing how special they are, compared to the daily schedule flights that a normally full of business passengers. In the cockpit for our flight was Commander - Daniel Manchon along with Co-pilot - Beatrice Vialle (Air France's only female Concorde pilot) and Flight Engineer - Remy Pivet.

After short delay, that nobody even noticed, we were ready to set off. Now at this point I really expected to hear the engines start up, but my only inclination that were had in fact started up was the tell-tale flicker of the lights as the aircraft's power was switched to internally generated systems. The engine start up was drowned out by a constant humming noise of the aircraft systems in the forward cabin, although this would stop soon after take off.

For political reasons (A runway 28 departure would overfly Gonesse) Concorde must use Runway 27 at CDG, which is a longish taxi from Terminal 2. The extended taxi allowed plenty of time for the obligatory safety demonstration, which on this flight had nearly everybody wanting to watch it, as it was all part of the show.

As we were on-board a very light aircraft with low fuel load and no baggage, I knew we would be in for a very sporty, high acceleration departure. As we lined up on the runway I could not help thinking of the accident more than 2 years ago. In similar circumstances 100 people were on-board Concorde, for the trip of a lifetime, about to depart from the same runway. Personally I just felt it was right to pause and remember them for a moment. Conveniently, due to ATC, we paused for a moment before lining up on the runway.

The time was 17:00 local and we were ready for departure: all thoughts of what had happened in July 2000 were gone as the commander pushed the throttles fully forward engaging full power with reheat selecting automatically. This time unlike start up you could undoubtedly hear the roar of the 4 Rolls-Royce Olympus 593 turbojet engines.

Less that 30 seconds after full power was applied we were at Concorde's take off speed of 250 MPH (400KPH). This is about 50MPH faster than a subsonic aircraft's take off speed, and we reached it in nearly half the time! The only though I had was "Wow!, this is one mean flying machine"

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Around 50 seconds after departure the throttles are brought back as we entered the noise abatement procedure. Now many people will have felt the power being reduced on an aircraft after take off, but Concorde now easily flying and accelerating fast, needs to be brought under control...quickly.

For many new pilots carrying out their first departure in control of the aircraft,experienced crew members love watching them try not to exceed the
speeds and heights that they have been asked to level out at, most fail miserably. The aircraft is just so overpowered. When the aircraft is as light as we were that day, you near enough feel yourself move forward in the seat, as if they have hit the brakes when they powered back and turned off the re-heats.

Soon we were clear of the local populated areas and the captain could again apply full non-reheated (or dry) power to accelerate us up to our subsonic cruising speed of Mach 0.94. After 3 and a half minutes we were happily flying along at Mach 0.7 - a speed that many airliners would cruise at.

Only 7 minutes after departure we powered back again, this time as we were at our target subsonic cruising speed, of Mach 0.95, heading for the coastline north of Paris where the captain could re-apply full power and re-heat again, which would push us through the sound barrier.

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The 10 minute subsonic cruise gave the cabin crew time to start serving up our meal and champagne refreshments. The stewards changed from their black uniforms to an all white "waiter" outfit to carry out their cabin service, a changed that was appreciated by many and did not go un-noticed.

The Air France Concorde cabin interior, although it has been updated several times since 1976, does somewhat lack the freshness and splendour of the updated cabins that British Airways have recently installed. The seats have a big and bulky feel to them, but on the whole are pretty comfortable. We had plenty of leg room, with the seat pitch being 38", but my biggest grumble was that there was no proper seat back pocket to put my camera! Just an ill thought out tray at the base of the seat in front.

After only 10 minutes in the air, the captain came on the intercom to tell us that in a few minutes he would re-apply full power and re-engage the re-heats. The re-heats would be turned on two at a time, to accelerate us through to Mach1.7, where they would be turned off and the aircraft allowed to accelerate up to Mach 2.02.

I have heard many people say why the re-heats are put on two at a time and know I know why. 13 minutes after departure we felt ourselves being pushed back in our seats as the throttles were once again pushed forward in the cockpit. Seconds later we felt two further nudges as we were pushed further back, as firstly the outboard and then in-board afterburners (or re-heats as we like to call them in the UK) were engaged.

Slightly over a minute after full power was put on we were through the sound barrier, at a height of around 30,000ft and only 14 minutes after we departed from Paris. The best thing about it was that only way we knew we were supersonic was courtesy of the little digital Mach meter fitted to the cabin bulkheads...oh and yes! the clapping of everyone on board was a bit of a giveaway too.

It is at this point you truly understand how well this aircraft performs: as we were settling down to our excellent afternoon meal of lobster, mushrooms, celery, and meat, with a coffee cake dessert, the aircraft wasted no time shooting off to Mach 1.7. Ten minutes after the captain had put on the re-heats he could turn them off as they were no longer needed. Above Mach1.7, with the thinner air, they are inefficient and would waste too much fuel for very little gain.

From Mach 1.7 up to our cruising speed of M2.02 the elegant design of the engines and exhaust system comes into its own. Concorde is the most efficient airliner in the world at high speed, with the engine only generating 8% of the thrust. The other 82% comes is made up by the way the powerplant design handles supersonic airflows - the intakes account for and impressive 63%, and the nozzle system 29% of the total thrust.

Over the next ten minutes the aircraft accelerated gently, and by 17:29 we were flying at 13,500MPH....Twice the speed of sound. Unlike BA Concorde's, Air France do not have a read out of altitude on their bulkhead displays, but as we passed the through Mach 2 we would have been, according to the flight plan, at around 48,000ft. Over the next twenty minutes, as we tucked into our delicious meal and sipped a celebratory glass of champagne, the aircraft would climb up to around 50,000ft. At that moment would be the highest people from the planet (excluding the 3 astronauts on the international space station). I was tempted for a moment to stand up on my seat, so that for that instant I would be the highest!

The route that the 'experience flights' take sees them head north to the channel, crossing overhead the coastline at Le Harve. Once clear of land the aircraft accelerates through the speed of sound as it heads to the TESGO waypoint mid channel, where the route then heads left down the channel towards the Bay of Biscay via the AKELO waypoint. Once into the Bay of Biscay; the flight plan called for nearly a 270 degree clockwise loop around 250km to the west of Brest that would send us heading back towards Paris, this time over the channels Islands.

As we are tucking into our desert we entered the turn: Sitting on the left hand side as we banked up facing the sky looking out the window all I could see was the deepest bluest sky that I have ever seen...quite amazing! To be able to start seeing the outline of the curvature of the earth you really need to be up at 55-60,000ft, but if you wanted to believe it, you could just about make it out on the horizon.

I nearly forgot this bit, but was reminded by François who was in seat 2A: When Concorde is flying at mach 2 the friction of it against the air molecules, causes it to heat up and expand. Now during our short flight we would not really be able to see the expansion, usually 6 inches or so, but placing your hand on the window was hot to the touch, or should I say the Perspex inner screen was hot. I would not like to have held my hand on the actual double glassed window for too long, if the Perspex was not there.

As soon as the loop, with a turning radius of 65Km, was complete it was time to start our deceleration as we needed to be subsonic, at M0.97, by the time we would fly over Guernsey. It is not too good an idea to fly over inhabited areas at supersonic speed, as it tend to give people a little bit of a fright with the sonic boom. I hoped there was nobody on a cruise ship in the Bay of Biscay at the time, as they would have got the shock of a lifetime. Having experienced a sonic boob while witnessing a Space Shuttle landing, I can quite understand the issues here.

Now what can I say about deceleration; well like any other aircraft you feel the power come off, but you head down in altitude a lot quicker. At least it appears that way due to the way the mind perceives the angles on the horizon, as we were so far above the clouds. As we passed back through Mach 1, we were just finishing off our meal and enjoying a cup of coffee. The aircraft would cruise along happy at 32,000ft and at a speed of Mach 0.97 as we transited back to Paris over the Cherbourg Peninsular.

Since September 11th 2001 cockpit visits have been restricted on most scheduled flights, but this flight being a specialist charter, the flight crew would allow the passengers a brief look into their world. With all the meal trays stowed away the cabin crew organised the operation that would allow everyone a glance at the cockpit with military precision.

Over the next 15 minutes all 100 passengers got the chance to peer into the cockpit with the ALS staff assisting in the marshalling process. I can't think helping that they would have been better waiting to we were back on the ground. In our short 10 second 'look see' we were not be able to chat to the crew as they were busying flying the aircraft on its early approaches back to CDG. The cockpit on the ground looks pretty much the same as it does in the air and we would have a little more time to chat ask questions.

With everyone happily back in their seats, with every conceivable picture taken and every freebie souvenir acquired from onboard (including the odd safety card, sick bag and exclusive toiletries ...naughty!) we were on final approach back into a wet and windy Charles de Gaulle airport.

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The new experiences of flying on Concorde were not over yet: Due to Concorde's delta wing design, the aircraft's angle of attack needs to be raised significantly as it comes into land as this is what generates the wing's lift at low speeds.

In row 2 I was near enough directly over the nose landing gear, and let me tell you that you know when that thing drops down and when it is securely locked into place...no need for a little green light in the cockpit here! It is also noticeable that the noise level increases, due to the wind resistance, as the gear drops down and as the nose and visor is drooped to the 5 degree position. Also very noticeable was the dull thud as the primary gear doors retract and lock back into position.

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When we came in for landing we were still a good 20 feet off the ground, at the front of the aircraft, when the main gear touched down at nearly 200MPH. The final, but expected, experience is the deceleration from roughly 160MPH down to 30MPH is in a very short period of time, when reverse thrust kicks in. Although the aircraft is bigger and is considerably faster on landing than a 737, it stops just as quickly, and you need to have you seat belt on!

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We touched down shortly after 18:30 local time. Our trip had only been a short one, but for many the experience of a lifetime that they would probably never get the chance to do again. As we taxied back to Terminal 2 we could see out of the window the local enthusiasts waving as we went past them on the "parallel" taxiway they links the 2 side of the airport.

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The atmosphere on board, even though the flight was over, was still one of excitement. The ALS clients would head off to a post flight cocktail reception, which some members of the crew would also normally attend at the Hilton. The guests from Goodwood Travel, including myself, headed back into the centre of Paris, where a few of us would head home to the UK on the Eurostar, while the remainder stayed overnight to enjoy an extra day of shopping and sightseeing in the French capital.

Air Loisirs prepare special Concorde platters that are engraved with your name and date. These are distributed post flight to everyone as a special gift to mark the flight. A welcome additional to anyone's mantelpiece, and something that will be the talk of many conversations over the coming years.

If anyone has ever wanted to fly on Concorde but thought that is was just for the rich and famous think again. In the UK Goodwood Travel offer these packags for just over £1000 for the flight only, £1375 for a one day tour, and £1500 for two day tour including a stop over at a city centre hotel. For those on the Continent, Air Loisirs Services full day package cost only 1580 Euros.

I had always been sceptical of such a flight as many had talked them as a flight to nowhere, but I don't think I will every think of them that way ever again. I guess this has to go down as one of the experiences of a lifetime and one that I would certainly jump at the opportunity to do it all over again. What really grabbed me about the whole day was not that I was flying on the worlds greatest aircraft at twice the speed of sound, but the emotion and excitement of everyone you were sharing this experience with and that is what made it even more special.

I can only hope that British Airways come to their senses and offer up an aircraft, 5 or 6 times a year, to the specialist charter companies in the UK, so that these flights can also take place out of London. Believe me the enthusiasts and people wanting that trip of a lifetime are queuing up.
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RE: Concorde CDG-CDG 1st March 2003

Mon Apr 07, 2003 6:13 am

Brilliant report there.Thanks very much for sharing it i really enjoyed reading it.And im green with envy too !
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RE: Concorde CDG-CDG 1st March 2003

Mon Apr 07, 2003 8:56 am

i absolutely agree! you did such an excellent job writting this detailed account of your supersonic journey
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Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:01 am

Wow. Wonderful trip report.

Well, I'm off to sell my grandmother for just over GBP 1000 right now...  Big grin


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Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:29 am

I love it! You had a funny mis-spellings. "sonic boob"....!!! my favorite!!

Also, you said you were cruising at 13,500mph. Uhhhhhh.....Are you an astronaut? I'm sure you meant 1,350 mph because the Space Shuttle flies at 13,500 and more. Columbia disintigrated at about 12,000mph.

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Mon Apr 07, 2003 10:31 am

Very nice report! Really gives a very good idea of how it was onboard.

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Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:55 am

Yeah that was a brilliant trip report, i am still dreaming of experiencing Concorde one day, i can just imagine the excitement of the pax onboard!.
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Tue Apr 08, 2003 4:06 am

An excellent and very detailed trip report, I enjoyed reading very much...

...and of course I envy you for that great flight!

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RE: Concorde CDG-CDG 1st March 2003

Tue Apr 08, 2003 8:47 am

Fantastic report. If only we had a concorde down here in Australia it would mean that we wouldn't have to travel to the US or Europe to experience this lovely machine.

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RE: Concorde CDG-CDG 1st March 2003

Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:11 pm

Thats great ....how much does this flight cost ?
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Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:22 pm

A superb report, in fact the best one I have ever read. I especially liked the one photo looking aft and the old men staring at the camera. Smile pop!
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Wed Apr 09, 2003 1:22 am

Great report, I agree about BA doing similar trips, everyone involved loved doing them, especially the crews.
KHI747, to answer your question, check this out, from Gordon's superb site (and that's what those who work on the aircraft think about it too);
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RE: Concorde CDG-CDG 1st March 2003

Wed Apr 09, 2003 8:42 am

Thanks for you kind comments.

I think GDB has pointed out the link to go on the trip. Well worth every penny or cent. The atmosphere is truly awesome.

Sorry for the odd typo. I checked it and re-checked it, but the odd silly like the 13,500 does slip through. No as bad through as CNN's "Columbia was traveling at 17 times the speed of light" quote from Feb 1st. Unfortunately airlines.net, unlike some other forums, does not allow you to edit a post.

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Wed Apr 09, 2003 10:19 pm

BTW, Gordon is that you in the 5th picture?
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Thu Apr 10, 2003 11:11 am

Absolutely fantastic report...Im so jealous right now!!!!!

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Thu Apr 10, 2003 10:05 pm

Great report, now only around 6 months until the Concorde stops flying forever.
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RE: Concorde CDG-CDG 1st March 2003

Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:15 am

Great report, I really enjoyed reading it, and i'm glad that you got a chance to fly on Concorde, Gordon!!

At the moment, my family are looking into flying to JFK on concorde, flights are pretty cheap at the moment...

I am so envious of you though!
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RE: Concorde CDG-CDG 1st March 2003

Fri Apr 11, 2003 8:52 am

great rept Gordon.

May I ask how much it cost for the experience?

feel free to email me privately.

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RE: Concorde CDG-CDG 1st March 2003

Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:02 am

you mention that Concorde must use runway 27 at CDG.Can you explain why that is exactly please?Does that mean they have to use RWY09 to land too?
I wanted to get my shot of a AF SSC that day but was down by the Z4 spot near 28L.
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RE: Concorde CDG-CDG 1st March 2003

Fri Apr 11, 2003 12:05 pm

Gordon, I have a question too.

I too just took my flight and took extreme detail to document it all. When I say extreme, I mean the flight left at 1830 yet I began writing at 1100.

I noticed your thread has over 600 views and yet one a fraction as many replies.

Don't you wish more people would post comments after you took at the time to write up your TR? I mean, I wrote up part I and got so few comments, it makes me think no one post.

What are your thoughts in the matter?
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Fri Apr 11, 2003 8:49 pm

I think it comes down to the quality of the TR. If people feels that they have had their "questions" answered, why post when all they could say was "Great TR" or the like? I mean, that would generate some 3-400 posts with the same contents  Laugh out loud
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RE: Concorde CDG-CDG 1st March 2003

Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:28 pm

Thank you for sharing the trip report with us, it was an enjoyable read.  Smile

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RE: Concorde CDG-CDG 1st March 2003

Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:59 am


As long as people get the chance to read it thats fine by me, The comments are fantastic though!

I worte if for quite a few purposes including my Concordesst website, whcih will eventually have a flight profile section where all the trip reports people submit on Concorde can be held together.

As far as documenting it goes, one trick was to film the Mach Meter with the camera and very quickly get a shot of my watch!

I enjoyed doing it, not just for here, but also for family and firend and to have it safe for ever. Friends and family loved reading through it and that probably means more than what people here say.


Yes that is me in the pic  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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This cost just over £1100. Most people think BA will do similar flight in an out of LHR in the next few months before the aircraft is retired. I think the AF ones are now sold out. I will add these to my site if and when they are available

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RE: Concorde CDG-CDG 1st March 2003

Wed Apr 16, 2003 8:39 pm

Thats one heck of a superb report you've got there Gordon!!

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RE: Concorde CDG-CDG 1st March 2003

Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:10 am

Great report, bud!!!
It brought me back memories of a similar one I did in 1999 on a BA Concorde out of LHR, as you well mentioned, with Goodwood Travel.
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Sat Apr 26, 2003 9:17 am

To be the highest person above the earth....amazing! (besides astronauts...but still amazing)  Smile


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