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Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 7:35 am

Me, my sister and our mother arrived at the Cleveland-Hopkins International Airport at 9:00 a.m. We went through the parking garage and did not find a parking spot, but accidentally ended up going to the exit. My mom talked with the clerk in the booth and she got directions to just turn around and go back up the garage to find a space. We found a great spot close to the elevator. We prayed, unloaded the car, and proceeded to check-in.

We walked accross the bridge that connects the garage to the terminal building. We went down the escalators to the check-in counters that said "Southwest." The agent was very friendly. She seemed to know that I was a frequent flyer because she said that I knew all the procedures very well which resulted in a speedy check-in. She found that very impressing from a child. She gave us our boarding passes ang gate information, gave my mom a pass to accompany us to our gate passed the security checkpoint, and wish us a GREAT flight!

We walked to the security checkpoint and the guard there was very funny. He checked to make sure that we were who we were and checked my mom's pass and Identification, but WHOOPS!!..........my younger sister's boarding passes were not in the ticket envelope. My mom ran back to get it and five minutes later we were heading through the security checkpoint. That took about 10 minutes on account that there were a few people in front of us and my sister's belongings went off in the detector. Must've been embarrassing.

After we cleared security we headed over to the Cinnabon to eat breakfast. I had a hot Cinnabon and an orange juice and my mom and my sister had hot Cinnabon's too, one with coffee and the other with a fruit blend. We had a nice 20 minute conversation over our breakfast. It was nice. We finally threw away our trash and headed over the Gate B-8.

When we got there the room was full (as usual). We found three seats. I sat down and read a magazine while my mom and my sister went to do a little shopping. They finally returned after 15 minutes and my mom sat and read while my sister played with her new cards. When it came to be about 30 minutes until boarding time my mom and I decided to jump in line because we noticed that it was filling pretty fast. My sister finally decided to join us. I just stood there dreading the thought of flying Southwest Airlines because from childhood I always thought that it was a weird airline (compared to the others I've been on). I thought there must be some strange price to pay for $80 tickets (though ours werent' that cheap, but I mean in general). We conversed while they deplaned passengers and called "pre-boarding."

They finally called "Boarding Group A" and my mom gave me and my sister a hug and wished us a safe flight. We walked down the jet way and onto the plane.

June 20, 2003
CLE to BNA to Houston (Hobby)
Southwest Airlines
Boeing 737

As we approached the aircraft I noticed a strange smell which seemed to be coming from the airplane. It was just as I suspected the cabin of our plane.
I was greeted by the flight attendant and captain and found a seat at the back of the fore-cabin. To my surprise there were crumbs or something on my seat. I wiped them onto the floor and started to really gag from the smell. Then I noticed the aircraft. The plane was a weird color. The seat in front of me was ripped or torn at the back of the headrest, I looked accross the aisle to find a broken tray/table. It was sitting lopsided onto the back of the seat instead of straigt up (strange). I looked at the wall of the window seat of our aisle. It was covered in dry soda, markings, and stains. Not clean at all. Plus there was that stench.

By the way I chose a middle seat (my favorite seats) and my sister chose an aisle.

I started to tell my sister of my thoughts about this plane and airline so far (not very clean, some nice people, bad smell, weird seats). She just told me to just shut up and stop complaining.

We taxied out to the runway and I noticed that the wing was shaking or bouncing really. I just kept staring at that through the window. It was bugging me, but I reminded my self that I prayed for protection. I get a little bit anxious when flying because of the September 11, 2001 attacks. I even have nightmares of being involved (I dreamed of being on flights 11, 175, and 93). We were cleared for take off and started to roll down the runway. It was a cool feeling but I happened to look at the wing which looked as if it was literally flapping like a birds wing. I just took my mind off of that fast as I watched the things pass our window fast. It was pretty cool. We started our rotation and were airborne. I've never experience such a bumpy take off. We just shook in the air like it was no thing. It felt like turbulence, but I knew there wasn't any wind out side. My head was literally bobbing. I didn't like that very much and started to get irritated because the captain did not say anything about that (plus the wings again). I had gotten used to the smell. My sister was sleeping so I decided to take out my brand new book and read because I love to read. As we reached our cruising altitude we stopped bouncing around and just had a less bouncy flight (I can't say smoothe). They started to take orders for drinks. That also irritated me because it would be easier to just ask and poor like most other airlines do. It took 20 minutes to get my drink (which was flat). I was like really perturbed at this point and just finished my Coca-Cola Classic and went back to reading. At least they serve Coke products instead of those dreaded Pepsi products. I put up my table and noticed the woman who was sitting in the seat with the broken tray/table struggling to close it. The flight attendants did not help her. She finally got it up after about 5 minutes. I didn't notice how it was when she was using it to drink her beverage.

Guess what. We started bouncing again! Ooooh! I had totally just had it at this point so I just prayed some more and then wondered if I was on this airline as punishment for something, and then decided to read my book which I was half-way through by now (in only 1 hour). The captain came onto the PA system and annouced that we were X miles from Nashville, and that we would soon be starting our descent. The flight attendants came around and check for garbage and then found crew seat and waited to land. We were bouncing all the way down into Nashville International Airport. It was bad. My sister was definitely awake at this point considering she hates landing. I did the sign of the Cross and said a quick prayer to God and Mary for a safe but rough flight and getting us to Nashville and asking for a safe landing. We neared the ground and BANG!! we landed Hard, too!! We taxied to the gate and the people who were not continuing on to Houston deplaned. I was so glad to be at the gate.

This is the end of part one.
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 8:45 am

That sucks..I guess. The airline could do nothing about the 'bouncing.' It's called air turbulence, quite frequent, especially during converging fronts. I wouldn't say that was the airline's fault. I see the bouncing of the wings on almost all my flights!

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catholic2006
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RE: Continental

Sat Jul 12, 2003 8:53 am

Yeah! It was pretty bad actually (but that's just the beginning). I thought that the air turbulence thing had to do with the cheap cost of the tickets affecting the airlines being able to maintain the planes. I felt like the plane was falling apart. I've never experienced that on other airlines except for some wind turbulence that was not as bad and not shocking because the captain actually gave some warning. The wings were fine on United Airlines and American Airlines and AirTran Airways (of course United's tickets could make a man go bankrupt hahaha!!). Thanks for your reply and for reading my post.


-Chris
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JohnFKelly
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 9:24 am

"I did the sign of the Cross and said a quick prayer to God and Mary for a safe but rough flight"

Now, that's my kind of passenger! Not praying for an aisle seat or a First Class upgrade, but just a safe flight. If only there were more out there like that...

Prayer should be an integral part of airline's safety program. BTW, if you ever happen to be flying out west, I can suggest another carrier for you to try...
 
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 9:32 am

Ummmm ok..... Low fare = poorly maintained aircraft? I dont think so.
Southwest has been around since 1971 and has yet to loose a passenger due to an aircraft incident. We happen to be one of the safest airlines in America.
The wing bounced? Its called turbulence. If your going to fly get used to it. The pilots are there to fly the airplane, not announce what every little bump and noise might be about to occurr.
You really need to take your sisters advice and "shut up and stop complaining"
Sorry to be so harsh but you are one bitter, complaining 13-15 year old!!!!!!!!
I believe I can fly.....
 
catholic2006
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RE: JohnFKelly And SWA TPA

Sat Jul 12, 2003 9:55 am

To: JohnFKelly

I totally agree with you that passengers should pray for safety and not other things like upgrades. Praying helps and I think that safety is a big issue in today's world. Thanks for your reply.

To: SWA TPA

First of all YES it is the captain's job to announce every single bump and noise and scratch or problem with the planes. They can't just leave kids worrying like that when they're parents aren't there to help them. The sky can be a scary place (even though it seems safer than the grounds these days). I think that the prices are waaaaay too low and Southwest Airlines needs to raise them so they can maintain those older planes. They need to clean them too!! They STANK!! Badly! I personally think that Southwest Airlines could do much better. They have money, but for some reason they are holding back and I'm glad they don't serve Pittsburgh International Airport otherwise I'd be stuck with them because I can't pay for my tickets yet.

By the way, I flew an older plane. Not the new "Spirit" planes, but I think the older colors are prettier (on the outside).

-Chris
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 10:21 am

You knew there wasn't any wind outside? How did you know that? There WAS wind outside. Oh, just a few hundred miles per hour of slipstream, that's all. How else would the plane fly? And turbulence has little to do with wind, and more to do with atmospheric conditions. Go to ground school, little buddy.

Also, Southwest has one of the best maintenance records in history. They have only had one fatality ever- and he was a mentally challenged person who tried to hijack the plane!!! Never a maintenance related crash in their 32-year history.

However, they also have a reputation for dirty airplanes.

Oh, wings/engines shaking during taxi and takeoff is due to rough runway- not the airplane. Be glad it shook- if it was rigid, the things would snap right off.

Most people consider taking drink orders and returning to be a SERVICE oriented activity. How much nicer it is to have someone ask you what you want, and then bring it to you, rather than toss you a can, in my opinion.

Additionally, soft drinks poured out of cans aren't flat. You think they poured in some magic "let's make him mad by flattening his drink" powder? I don't think so either. It's air pressure. I drink Coke each time I fly- it's tradition- and soft drinks act funny in the air. I believe it's due to the substantially lower air pressure of being at a cabin altitude of 8000 feet. The bubbles pop out far faster.

You started praying and thought that you were on the airline as some sort of punishment? Dude, get a grip. I pray quite often too, so don't take me that way. But honestly, do you think Southwest has a "Create turbulence" button in the cockpit? If so, I envision such a button as being large, round, and red, with a flashing strobe light... anyhow, no, they don't. Southwest cannot create or eliminate turbulence, and if Air Traffic Control dictates that they must remain at present altitude, then they can't even fly above or below to get out of it!

Oh my gosh, man. The wings were fine on United and American and AirTran? Did you know United was recently cited for putting ailerons on 757s together with TAPE??? That's not fine. Additionally, the wings on your Southwest flight were fine as well. I can assure you, if they were not, the first thing that would have happened would have been for them to fall off. You think Boeing forgot to tighten the bolts down? If something as drastic as you feared was actually wrong, everyone would have died.

The airlines are held to maintenance regulations regardless of what they charge for tickets. The FAA does not care if low fare, high fare, no fare (okay, no fare can change regulations, depending on what the airline does, part 191, et cetera). Southwest has to maintain their planes just as well as Continental or Delta. If they don't, they get their operating license revoked- it happened in recent years to Pro Air. The government shut them down due to maintenance shortcomings.

ALSO- Southwest is making money. All the other airlines you listed- except AirTran- are losing nearly a million dollars each day. Now- which one do you think would be tempted to cut maintenance corners? Cash earning Southwest? Or knock- on- bankruptcy's- door American? AA still has to meet inspections by the FAA, which means that NEITHER of them can cut corners. But still, get my idea?

I, unlike the last reply, do not work for Southwest at all- I work for an independent aviation company. I haven't even flown Southwest in years! So I am not sticking up for them- I am sticking up for aviation in general! We aviators (I am training to be a mechanic and later on an engineer) are highly trained people who work very, VERY hard to give you safety. It is a constant battle- and a very painstaking and costly one too!

So next time you fly- think of the thousand upon thousands of skilled workers that are doing our best to keep yourself safe!

I am, however, glad you posted a trip report- please continue to do so in the future! You can learn about our great field of aviation that way!

I am sorry you had a negative experience with Southwest, and I hope that you will give them a chance in the future. Heck- you may have to, if everone else ends up in bankruptcy. Geesh!

In all sincerity, and with a loving if frustrated attitude,
Randy
 
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 10:53 am

Hey Randy why don't you cut the guy some slack? Granted he said somethings that maybe aren't correct but there's no need to rip into him like that. Also, everyone has opinions and makes mistakes and the way you acted was quite beligerant, that was un-called for. Good to hear you made it there safe Chris!
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catholic2006
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RE: AA737-823

Sat Jul 12, 2003 10:56 am

Thank you for your very detailed reply.

Are you like a pilot or something? That is like WOW!!!

I know that boeing made the plane to precision, but I feel that Southwest Airlines is not keeping their older planes fit. If the wings flap that much then I feel a little bit nervous, as I did.

United Airlines and American Airlines might be loosing lots of money, but they have the courtesy and the decensy to at least make sure that their planes are clean, smell good, and are not doing anything out of the ordinary. United was also voted the Top airline worldwide for 2002. I feel that they really deserved it. Southwest somehow made the list too, but way down at like number 9 or something.

My older sister told me that Southwest Airlines does not have a crash record, but I don't know if I believe that and by crash I mean fell out of the sky.

She told me this when I was trippin' about not wanting to fly Southwest Airlines. She said that since I was paying that I need to be quiet because Southwest has affordable air fares, but travel is about more than money (though, to the adults money is a major thing).

I also feel that if the airline kept good enough maintenance on it's planes that there would definitely not be as much turbulence as there was. United Airlines uses the same exact planes but did not have the problems that I found Southwest Airlines to have. I see that as a major problem. Not just United Airlines, but also American Airlines, AirTran Airways, and USAirways.

I've always felt uncomfortable flying Southwest Airlines. I can remember the first time I flew on it (it was with my grandparents who were taking me and my sister to Disney World). I thought that the planes were the ugliest and nastiest looking planes that I had ever been on. It was hard for them to get me in the seat (but the "getting a spanking" threat sure worked). I just cringed the whole flight.

Well, thanks, again, for you reply. And I hope to learn more about the aviation field from you because you seem very dedicated and very knowledgeable.

-Chris
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catholic2006
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RE: CMK10

Sat Jul 12, 2003 12:20 pm

Thank you for having my back on that one, but it is quite alright. I feel want people to tell me what they really feel. Thank you for help and for the safe comment. God bless you.

-Chris
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 12:59 pm

LOL! I pray a lot too! I went to the mass at the airport chapel in Midway (June 21st, 2003) when I flew there for a daytrip!

co
 
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 1:10 pm

Umm...you claim that you are a frequent traveler but if you were you would have a better understanding when you see the wings flex like they did (its incorporated in the design of the aircrafts)

First of all YES it is the captain's job to announce every single bump and noise and scratch or problem with the planes. They can't just leave kids worrying like that when they're parents aren't there to help them.

Ok so you want the pilots to come on and tell you what EVERY single bump or disturbance was? Do u think that is possible? I think that it is more important to be talking to the Controllers and worrying about FLYING the plane than telling you that they hit an air bubble. There was nothing wrong with the plane anyway.

Also do me a favor, as a LONG TIME Southwest Airlines Stock Holder PLEASE don't bother to fly SWA again. We really don't need your money that badly.  Smile
 
catholic2006
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RE: Continental And I Love EWR

Sat Jul 12, 2003 1:19 pm

How was Mass at the airport in Chicago? It must have been nice. The Catholic Mass is so full of mystery and beauty, but simply can't be interpreted by the human alone. The chapel at the Cleveland-Hopkins International Airport is really nice. Thanks for your replly.

To I LOVE EWR

Pilots need to be pilots and need to fly the planes smoothly. It is possible, but you might not know that yet so I forgive you. Don't tell me you don't need my money cause it ain't mine. It's my parents'. Good day to you and thank you for your reply.

God Bless you both.

-Chris
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 1:37 pm

Pilots need to be pilots and need to fly the planes smoothly. It is possible, but you might not know that yet so I forgive you

Really? I had NO idea that the pilots need to fly the plane smoothly (I guess my hours of flight training so far has been for nothing then). Pilots ALSO CAN'T control the weather around them or the turbulence enroute so what do u want done? Turbulence is a part of flying.

Also tell your parents that you want to fly someone else next time.

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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:08 pm

How much a plane bounces in turbulence is almost solely due to its wing loading. This is a design feature, it has nothing to do with maintaince.
 
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:18 pm

"My older sister told me that Southwest Airlines does not have a crash record, but I don't know if I believe that and by crash I mean fell out of the sky. "

Than look it up.

"If the wings flap that much then I feel a little bit nervous, as I did."

As has been stated, be glad the wings flapped...otherwise they'd fall off, and you'd really need to pray.

"I also feel that if the airline kept good enough maintenance on it's planes that there would definitely not be as much turbulence as there was. "

I don't even know where to begin here. Since everyone is entitled to their opinion, I will express mine. That is possibly the single most ridiculous comment I have ever heard. And the funny thing is, I've heard it from adult passengers as well!

JP

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Flyer732
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:25 pm

Well now that I've finished laughing and asking myself why I'm even responding...here goes.

Southwest charges the same fares as the other low fare carriers. $88 one way from Atlanta to Las Vegas anyone? Thats what AirTran is charging. But you seem to love AirTran, from this, and your other posts.

The 737 you were on is going to be newer than most if not all of the AirTran DC-9s that are still flying.

Next, if the wings don't "bounce" the plane doesn't fly. Simple as that. Its called physics. I'll make sure not to board the first plane that doesn't have bouncing wings.

The southwest planes are "dirty" because they have very quick turns, and are used quite a bit during the day. As are jetBlue's and AirTran's. Its hard to do a full cleaning when you only have the plane on the ground for 25 minutes.

And yes, Southwest has never lost a passenger in an accident. There are stats published by the DOT and FAA, all you have to do is research.

I really don't feel like writing anymore. I've worked too many hours in the past two days and I really could care less at this point.


~Ryan
 
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 9:11 pm

The only thing Southwest had is an overrun of a runway.... once.
And I think that is their only incident, or once they hit a noise abatement barrier.......but they've never actually killed a person.
jetBlue is much better, I sympathize that they don't serve your area, maybe once they get the ERJ-190s they might...
Hey, how old are you? just curious.
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catholic2006
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 10:58 pm

I'm 15 years old
I've never heard of Jet Blue Airlines until recently? Is it new?

I tried to ask my parents to fly me on a different airline, but obviously didn't happen. They just told me to be happy that I was going on the trip.
On AirTran I flew a Boeing 717 series and it was squeaky clean!! The McDonnel-Douglas DC-9 could've been better, but it was AirTran so I didn't complain. Yes, AirTran DOES avoid turbulence, so I don't even have to realize that I'm in the air. It was a really good flight and the view was exquisite.

How does "dirty planes" = good maintenance?

To some children, that can be scary, but I'd choose flying over driving if the distance is more than 5 hours driving time.

I still don't think that wings should flap like birds' wings. And pilots do get trained to avoid turbulence or not make the plane bounce and shake during turbulence.

I thank God for the safety of my sister's and mine, but I'd really not like to be subject to that kind of danger.

Thank you all for your reports and please do not be afraid to voice your true opinions at me. I'm 15 which is almost 18 and practically 21 so I can take the harsher and nicer comments as well. Thanks for reading, and look forward to my return trip on AirTran Airways. God Bless!

-Chris
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UN_B732
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 11:56 pm

jetBlue Airways operates Airbus A320s with a hub in JFK and Long Beach, California.. They have Embraer ERJ-190s on order
www.jetblue.com is an interesting site with all the info about them.
By the way, your profile doesn't show your e-mail address... I might want to send you an e-mail. E-mail me at cutekid_vt@yahoo.com
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Flyer732
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 1:01 am

Well, as a frequent flyer on AirTran, I've been on flights that were so bumpy the flight attendants never served the snack, and never got out of their seats.

Turbulence doen't do carrier specific.
 
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 1:05 am

"Yes, AirTran DOES avoid turbulence"

My friend, every airline makes every attempt to avoid turbulence. Working for AirTran, I can tell you I have been on several flights that were quite turbulent. If you have flown in or out of ATL in the past 3 days, you have experienced turbulence, no question. Turbulence and airline safety have absolutely nothing to do with each other. I am now a little dumber for responding to this post.

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catholic2006
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RE: Flyer732

Sun Jul 13, 2003 1:07 am

Maybe the pilots were just having fun or maybe they were sick or something because I would have just flown it smoothly if I wasn't sick or felt good. I would just make sure that they got there safely with out bumps because if there are small children on that flight then they may feel unsafe or scared or insecure. Thanks for your reply, and God bless!

-Chris
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 1:27 am

If you're so faithful in following the ways of Catholicism, why don't you just forgive Southwest?  Big grin

Brian - SPOT THIS!
 
catholic2006
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RE: Groundstop And NonRevKing

Sun Jul 13, 2003 1:44 am

Groundstop, I just flew AirTran Airways home from Atlanta on July 5, 2003 (if you read ATL-PIT: you'd know). There was no turbulence because the airline has great pilots who are skilled in the art of flying as opposed to Southwest Airlines. AirTran does NOT HAVE TUR-----BU-----LENCE!!!! Shows how much you know about your own airline. Fly more and get it together!!! God bless and saints pray for you.

-Chris

NonRevKing, that was pretty funny!!! I don't know if I'm ready to forgive just yet. After those three experiences in one day, I was a little petrified, not to mention not surprised because my friend told me the airline sucked anyways. I don't like it and I probably won't. thanks for your reply. God Bless!

-chris
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 2:10 am

I'm 15 which is almost 18 and practically 21

Um, no. There is a HUGE difference there. Hell, I was still really stupid and naive when I was 21. I'm 28 and I still have a lot to learn. You don't have the life experience yet. Get out of school, get into the real world and then you'll know that some of your comments here are totally ridiculous. I'm not gonna explain it to you, and no one else should. Better you learn on your own.

I admire the fact that you are a devout atholic. So from one atholic to another, please pray that God opens your eyes and educates you on the ways of the world.

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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 4:01 am

you said that dirty planes= bad maintainence

I am taking a guess here, but don't they maintain the plane after a 3 day or 5 day rotation????? They do not do this at turnaround nor do they always clean the plane. It saves time while still being safe. If they maintained the plane every time it'd make turn-around times a good day. The first officer does check the plane in-between flights for any problems. (S)He thoroughly checks the engines and anything visable on the plane. I think they check the engines and controls on the board preflight as well.

SO, just because a plane missed a cleaning or an airline is "dirty" doesn't mean the planes not safe. There are rules that if an airline doesn't follow, it will not be able to fly.
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 5:38 am

"AirTran does NOT HAVE TUR-----BU-----LENCE!!!! Shows how much you know about your own airline. Fly more and get it together!!! "

Thats quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen.
GroundStop flys AirTran more than anyone on here probably does.

If you want me to I can quote a few turbulent AirTran flights I have had...
TPA-ATL flight 128. LGA-ATL flight 365. ATL-MIA flight 501. And those three are just in the past two months.

I've flown AirTran enough to be an elite member many times over, if I weren't an employee. In fact, as I type this I'm sitting right across from GroundStop. Between the two of us we have flown too nearly all of our destinations and on all of our aircraft types.

 
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 5:46 am

"AirTran does NOT HAVE TUR-----BU-----LENCE!!!! Shows how much you know about your own airline. Fly more and get it together!!! God bless and saints pray for you"

This will be my last response to the absolute stupidest post I have ever read. I have flown AirTran enough to travel several times around the earth. I have travelled to more than half of our destinations on all four of our aircraft types. I have had smooth flights, and I have had very rough flights. I'm glad you flew on a day where there was no weather. Over the past few days, ATL has been the victim of several thunderstorms. Every single aircraft (DL, FL, CO, US, NW, AF, BA,...you get the point) experienced some level of turbulence, some light, some moderate, some severe. When storms are that close to your airport, turbulence is unavoidable.

On a personal note, don't ever insult my level of knowledge about the company I work for. The nature of my job is to know where every flight, every passenger, and every crew is at any given time. There is not one flight I can't tell about at any given time between 2pm and 12am from Wednesday to Saturday. I am responsible for making sure every single passengers gets to their intended destination as quickly and safely as possible. As an example, I see that your confirmation number is T2I9EM. Tell me, did you enjoy Seat 23E? Did the other three members of your party enjoy the flight as much as you?

As I stated earlier, this will be my last repsonse to this "trip report"

JP

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Sun Jul 13, 2003 6:07 am

There are three kinds of turublence, shear turublence (caused by a change in the wind direction or speed), convective turbulence (the sun heating the ground which heats the air above it and makes the air above it start rising), and mechanical tubulence (wind hitting trees or a hangar and causing the air flow to get disrupted). All three kinds of turbulence are invisibile, so its difficult to avoid them. Turbulence is not caused at all by the flexing of the wings. The wing flex actually reduced the effects of turubulence because when a plane hits turbulence, the wings will take the blow rather than transfering it to the aircraft. A dirty plane doesn't mean its not airworthy, it just means its dirty. Cath, you sound like a future conspiracy theororist. I hope for your sake I'm wrong. You have a lot to learn. Older people here who obviously know more about what is going on are telling you how things really are and you obviously dont want to listen.
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 6:29 am

I have not laughed this hard in a while, thanks to everyone for making this possible Smile
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 6:52 am

I need to second what STT757 said.
 
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 6:55 am

ROFL.... I've been laughing for the last 10 min,my fiancee came in wondering what the hell I was laughing about. She is an ex YV employee and got a good laugh out of this post. Does anyone else get the impression that Catholic2006 really isnt 15? Something just isnt adding up to me...
 
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 7:31 am

Yeah, I was getting that perception too. Something isn't right here.
 
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:53 am

AirTran has four aircraft types in the fleet. DC-9, 717, CRJ-200, and A320.

While the CRJ and A320 are leased and flown by other carriers, they still make up the AirTran Airways fleet and are used daily.


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RE: Change Of View!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:07 am

Dear Fellow Forum People,
I have come to the conclusion that a lot of the things that I said were pretty harsh (not to mention insulting and offending, perhaps). I was sitting around thinking to myself that maybe there are other ways to approach my dissapprovals with an airline.

First, I thought to myself that here on Airliners.net we are here to inform others--not attack them. I've come to the conclusion that I can state things differently without nagging or insulting an airline. End the end, I just make myself look bad (which you've seen that I have done).

Second, I thought about all those hard workers who work at Southwest Airlines. How might they be feeling right now if they were to read my post? Would they be hurt? Insulted? Offended? Angry? Yes to all. I apologize for my inappropriate comments. Now that I think about it, they do all they can to make sure that I (as well as others) have a safe flight. After all, the employees were very courteous and generous to my sister and myself.

Third, I thought that maybe if I had walked onto the flight with a different attitude I would have enjoyed my flight a lot better. I realized then that your flight is only as good (or bad) as you make it out to be. If I would have just boarded the plane without any expectations and just let Southwest Airlines do their job then I would have had a better flight, BUT I decided to look at the glass as half-empty and I had a bad flight on account of my own attitude.

Fourth, this airline is full of hardworking employees, adoring fans, and well-pleased customers. If they hadn't had any problems why should I? My parents are proud customer of Southwest Airlines (and even had Rapid Reward Miles with the airline) and they love it. It's affordable and the employees are warm and welcoming. This airline is appraised accross the United States and here I come bringing up things that can't be helped (well, most couldn't be helped).

So, to all, I'm sorry if I have offended you or insulted you, or just blew you with my post. There are other ways that I could have approached this topic. I'm sure there are ways to express negative feelings without sounding negative. At least I'm alive and I'm not dead or having any health or emotional problems as a result of the airline, so it must not have been that bad, right?

FINAL THOUGHT: In reality, airlines are there to just get people or objects from point A to point B. They don't even have to serve drinks or greet us at the door or try to make us feel as comfortable as possible. Heck, they really don't need to have FA's. But they do because they want us customers to feel that their flight is more than just a way to get from point A to point B. They want to make you feel happy and comfortable. Southwest Airlines got me from Cleveland to Midland okay and in one piece so that should have just made the flight great alone. God bless!!

-Chris

PS: And if I can trust anyone on this subject it should definitely be you, the members of airliners.net who know airlines and aircraft wing and gear. And also, the employees of a certain airline. They know that airline better than me.
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:56 am

Hi all,

My first time reading this over, funny in parts, and frustrating of a 15 year old inability to accept laws of physics.

Everyone is right in saying that the wings should bounce and flex or else they would snap of or be subjected to damage much easier than if they didn't. Similar to a building, that if you are at the top on a windy day you will notice that it is swaying slightly.

I have had some very turbulent flights on all airlines, just reading this, actually skimming, were your flights on Air Tran, United, US, ect. in the same weather condition on the day you flew Southwest? Because on those days if there wasnt also a storm cell enroute, you cant hold them up to the same standard. To my understanding the pilots have little control of the route they fly. In turbulence they can request for a new heading or altitude, but it mainly up to the air traffic control to give him clearance, and sometimes they cannot due to other aircraft in the area or for some other reason.

Now I am not a Southwest luver, actually only flown them once CMH-TPA-CMH because they dont serve the destination I need, but give them another try.

Also, in welcoming you to a-net, don't expect just to inform people, sharing opinions and asking opinions are a large part to. Some people just have an opinion and won't budge which starts a post war, similar to your turbulence opinion. But really, that's half the fun of the site.

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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 12:42 pm

In reality, airlines are there to just get people or objects from point A to point B. They don't even have to serve drinks or greet us at the door or try to make us feel as comfortable as possible. Heck, they really don't need to have FA's. But they do because they want us customers to feel that their flight is more than just a way to get from point A to point B. They want to make you feel happy and comfortable

Actually Airlines do have to have Flight Attendants. They are their for your safety.
 
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Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:43 pm

Well, I don't know if the flights attendants have to be there or not, but thank God they are hahahaha!! Otherwise, I'd probably not fly again (that would not be cool)!! Thanks and God bless!

-Chris
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:21 pm

hi Chris

thanks for a giggle this morning not just your report but everyone elses too, i can just imagine the frustration of typing their replies so frantically!

i personally love turbulance and would love the pilots to go out of their way to find it! lol !

At the end of the day you are only 15 and have a lot to learn, you will look back on this report in 5 years and cringe, not believing you actually took the time to write this.

Each flight is individual and none 2 are the same, its impossible to critiscise the pilots on a particular flight compared to another even on the same route!

Anyway Chris keep smiling and thanking the lord (he may help with turbulance one day?)

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RE: Horrible Trip!

Mon Jul 14, 2003 1:30 am

I have had many a turbulent flight...You have to get over it, its not the end of the world. I prefer a bit of turbulence whilst at cruise alt rather than a smooth flight - I know the plane is in the air then  Laugh out loud & wings are meant to flex, they aren't exactly going to be stable whilst going thru turbulence...Its kinda cool watching them flex up as well.

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RE: Horrible Trip!

Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:11 am

I don't want to put forth the effort to compute a reply that does justice to the amount of correcting this boy needs.

I will say this:
-If you're so scared this easily, why don't you get mommy and daddy to fly with you next time?
-Areas of turbulence are not always visible on radar.
-Please don't tell me God Bless.
-I hope I never sit next to you on an airplane.
 
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:28 am

Southwest may be dirty but if AirTran had as many quick turnovers as SW then try seeing what AirTran's a/c look like at the end of the day. Also, If you really want to critize one or the other Ride both airlines on the same day somewhat close to the same time on the same route. Just a thought.

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RE: Horrible Trip!

Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:30 am

Brlund,
the turn time at AirTran is a maximum of 30 mins. We shoot for 20 - 25 on every flight.

Ryan
 
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:35 am

Flyer732,

Thanks for clarifying that. Yes see what AirTran is like at the end of the day.


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RE: Horrible Trip!

Tue Jul 15, 2003 12:44 am

Not to sound to critical, but the whole deal with the flapping of the wings sounds like something my grandma would say. (She's THE drama queen of the family) Southwest is a great airline, every airline has a few bad or dirty planes in their fleet. I can agree, when you get one of the bad or dirty planes and it's your first flight with them, it can lead to a bad first impression, but I've flown on 7 Southwest flights, and the only problem I had was being delayed 30 minutes departing on the MCI-OKC flight I took a couple years ago (which the captain made up for by trimming the hour long flight to roughly 40-45 minutes), and a lengthy boarding pass line at Nashville on a layover flying from TPA-MCI. Beyond that, I've found no reason to complain about them. Southwest is one of the best airlines out there when it comes to customer service, on time performance, baggage handling, and ticket prices. Every once in awhile there will be that bad plane that needs a little extra interior work, but like turbulence, it's a part of airline operation. I think we've all turned into a bunch of softies, who demand first class meals on every flight, and even when we knowingly pay for a flight without one, we complain. I personally would rather just pick up some Arthur Bryant's BBQ (ahh the luxuries of being a Kansas Citian  Smile/happy/getting dizzy), or Cinnabon's at the terminal anyway. If you want a first class meal, pay the money for the first class ticket and don't fly a low fare airline. It IS too bad that things aren't as they were in the glory days, but part of the problem is melodramatic people who complain and scare off others with horror stories that are really normalities blown out of proportion. The "flapping of the wing" is normal, and the turbulence is an unseen, unavoidable part of everyday flight. Pilots do their best to predict areas where turbulence is likely to occur and do what they can to avoid it, otherwise, it's just the way things are. I haven't been on a flight in all of my 30+ flights I've taken that hasn't encountered turbulence, it's just part of the process. If you've flown before at least once or twice, you should know that, and that it isn't one bit the airline's fault.
 
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:47 am

Ok uhh... after finally weeding my way through the many posts on one subject, I feel inclined to say a few things.

First off, I've flown WN a few times before. They are always on time, the service is always quick and friendly, and the planes are always in good condition. Now, with regard to 2 of your comments. You blame "bending wings" on Southwest? Um, they're supposed to bend! Would you rather they just snap off? Also... you blame turbulance on WN, too?! Ok last I checked every airplane regardless of airline flew through turbulance. You probably had a United 737, an American 757, and even a beloved AirTran 717 following you right through that same turbulance.

About the inside of the plane; torn seats, broken trays, and crumbs on the seat (yes people do eat in planes and yes, what they eat produces crumbs) are found on EVERY AIRLINE. Tray tables are fixed during C-checks, torn seats are replaced in D-checks, and crumbs.... lol.... yes crumbs are vacuumed after the flying day.

Sorry you didn't like Southwest, I personally have the highest respect for their crews and mechanics and I'll be flying them again next month.
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:02 am

Question:

When you pray, does that automatically safeguard you? What if you pray, and something DOES happen? Does that mean the prayer was not sincere?

I'm playing devil's advocate here, not trying to be argumentative. It's a theological question I wrestle with all the time!
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:48 am

Catholic2006 it seems like you are from cleveland too am i right?
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RE: Horrible Trip!

Tue Jul 15, 2003 9:53 am

Couple more thoughts:

Chris, why are you apologizing to WN employees. You haven't insulted anyone. But what you have done is expose a very poor understanding of aviation.

When I first read your post, I thought it was a hoax. After all, the detail you go into regarding the garage, Cinnabon, buying a magazine, throwing your trash away.... it's a bit much, and even a bit suspicious. But I gave you the benefit of the doubt.

But then in your subsequent posts, ... your analysis on turbulence, ... it's all just too weird to be true.

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