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DUS-CDG-MAN In Eco And On The Jumpseat (Pics/Vids)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:57 am

About the trip

Those who read the Trip Reports Forum regularly may remember this trip report. Back in January this year, fellow A.net member Tristar500 and I tried to get a flight on one of Air France’s A 318’s on a flight from Paris to Dusseldorf but unfortunately we were victims of a last minute equipment change and got an A 320 instead, even worse, it was the same A 320 which brought us to Paris in the morning of the same day (F-GFKN). I decided immediately to try to get the A 318 on another flight as soon as possible and a few weeks later I found the perfect opportunity in the Non Aviation Forum, fellow A.net member Pe@rson was organizing an A.net meeting in Manchester for the 10th and 11th of July, the list of attendees already looked good so I decided to join the meeting and booked a Dusseldorf-Paris-Manchester roundtrip on Air France for 199,74 EUR to get 4000 miles which I needed for an Air France award flight within Europe, and to get finally the A 318 which was scheduled to operate the Paris-Manchester leg on the outward flight. I noticed a few days after my booking that fellow A.net member Antoine (707CMF) was already booked on the very same flight to Manchester, I knew that he has a contact person at Air France who already organized a few cockpit jumpseat flights for him, so I asked Antoine if it is possible to get a double jumpseat permission for both of us, he told his contact person about me but he could not give me a guarantee for the jumpseat because the captain is always the person who takes the final decision about jumpseat riders. A few month passed and the day of my trip finally arrived.

Saturday, July 10th 2004

I left the house at 5:05h to catch the first regional train to Dusseldorf airport, my schedule was very tight on this early morning, when the train would have only a few minutes delay, I would miss my flight to Paris and thus my connecting flight to Manchester and the meeting there, fortunately the train was on time and I arrived at the terminal building after another five minute ride from the airport train station with DUS’ (in)famous people mover called SkyTrain, rumor has it that they have to tear it down and build a new one because of construction mistakes on some abutments.

Dusseldorf airport


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I arrived at the Air France check-in counters at 6:53h, only two minutes before check-in end for flight AF1007 to Paris, there I presented my ID as well as my credit card to the female check-in agent, she asked me if I would prefer a window or an aisle seat, I chose an aisle seat and asked if my travel mate, Antoine, already checked in for the Paris-Manchester flight, she found his name in the reservation system and issued me a boarding pass for the seat next to him, “hopefully we won’t sit on our assigned seats” I thought and went through the security checkpoint to gate B 79 where boarding already begun. The gate agent checked my boarding pass and my ID before I helped myself on the newspaper rack which offered the usual large selection of German, French and English newspapers, I chose the weekend edition of the Sueddeutsche Zeitung as my reading material for the 50 minute hop to the French capital.

The flight to Paris

Flight: AF1007, from Dusseldorf (International) to Paris (Charles de Gaulle)
Departure: July 10th, 7:25h
Equipment: Airbus A 320-200 (F-GLGM)
Class: Economy Class, Seat: 17D



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I entered the plane and said: “Hello” to the flight attendant, she checked my boarding pass and welcomed me with a: “Good morning, welcome onboard Sir”. During I was walking through the cabin to my seat I got welcomed by two more attendants which were in very good spirits despite of this early morning hour. I stored my backpack in the overhead bin, said: “Good morning” to the women in the window seat, sat down, and started to read the newspaper. Boarding was completed very soon and I was quite pleased that nobody demanded the middle seat next to me, great, another comfortable flight with a lot of space next to me. Pushback was exactly on time, the cabin crew made the usual security demonstration while we were taxiing to the actice runway. Shortly before we entered 23L, I took a quick look out of the window and saw that there were already people standing on the observation deck of the airport train station, I also like spotting but I would definitely not go to the airport on a Saturday morning at 7:30h just to spot planes. Anyway, the plane accelerated a few seconds later and broke through the low hanging clouds shortly after we got airborne, wow, finally I saw the sun again after several days of cloudy and rainy weather in Germany. The cabin crew were out of their seats shortly after the 10.000 feet indicator ping, they separated the three different service classes of the cabin with curtains before they prepared the drink and meal service. We Economy Class passengers had the choice between a regular croissant or a croissant filled with chocolate, I decided for a chocolate one and washed it down with a cup of coffee. The rest of the flight was rather uneventful, so I continued to read the newspaper until we were on short final for Paris’ Charles de Gaulle airport, we touched down and taxied to a remote parking position where a bus picked all passengers up to drive them to Terminal 2D.

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After I stepped out of the bus, I went directly to Terminal 2F where I met Antoine at Gate 56, we bought a coffee and wanted to drink it on one of the empty gates in the rear part of the terminal but unfortunately this part of the terminal got evercuated by the police at the very same moment. It was the usual situation, some moron forgot his bag at a boarding gate, so the police thought it was a bomb threat and for security reasons they had to close the boarding area. Suddenly the whole terminal became a totally zoo, all passengers moved towards the exit, but fortunately the police opened the rear part of the terminal again after they found out that the bag contained no bomb. Antoine and I went to the lower floor where I had a cigarette in the smoking area, then we sat down in a snack bar to surf via WiFi access on A.net but unfortunately Antoine’s notebook crashed and time was running away quickly, so we had to go to Gate F 41 without a look on A.net.

We entered the bus after two boarding pass and ID checks, now I was in the same situation like exactly half a year ago at exactly the same place, again I sat in a bus at Paris Roissy and was hoping to get a flight on the A 318. The bus driver closed the doors and drove towards an A 319 and an A 318 on a remote position but he passed both planes, I thought: “This can not be true”, my biggest fear was that we would end up in a B 737-300/500 because these planes only have one cockpit jumpseat and they are pretty uncomfortable compared to the Airbus narrowbodies, but then the bus driver stopped and drove back to the Airbusses because the entry of this remote parking position was really hard to find as I could saw by myself later. The A 319 next to the A 318 was one of Air France’s “Dedicate” planes, a long-haul version of the A 319 which serves destinations with low passenger loads in Air France route network, so it seemed that the A 318 was our plane to Manchester. The bus driver stopped in front of the baby Airbus and I was happy that I would finally get a flight on it, our next aim were to get the cockpit jumpseats, that would be the ultimate compensation for me since I got the A 320 with the same registration instead of the A 318 on an earlier flight back in January, as already mentoined on the beginning of the report.

The flight to Manchester

Flight: AF1968, from Paris (Charles de Gaulle) to Manchester (International)
Departure: July 10th 2004, 10:40h
Equipment: Airbus A 318-100 (F-GUGE)
Class: N/A, Seat: Cockpit Jumpseat



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We entered the plane and had luck because the captain stood at the door to welcome his passengers. Antoine asked him in French if it is possible to join the flight crew on the jumpseats and presented his private pilot license as an additional help. The very friendly captain replied in French but I was confused for a second because I didn’t understand if we were allowed or not, I asked Antoine in English: “Is it possible?”, he replied: “Yes!”, yeeeesssss, we made it  Big thumbs up. We thanked the captain for his decision before we placed our luggage in the overhead bins of the Business Class, after we got rid of our bags we went directly to the cockpit, it is always a good feeling when you can enter “the office” awaiting a jumpseat flight because they have become so rare nowadays. At first, after we went inside the cockpit, we thanked also the first officer for the jumpseat permission, then I sat down in the jumpseat behind the captains seat, Antoine took of course the middle jumpseat because of the better view to take pictures. The captain apologized for the lack of legroom because his case was placed next to my seat but I told him that it is absolutely no problem because I still had enough legroom. We had a short chat until the flight crew was getting busy with the take-off preperations, before the door got closed a ramp agent came into the cockpit to hand out the passenger list, then he shook the hand of everyone of us and wished us a nice flight. The door got closed, the stairs removed and a tug connected to the gear while the flight crew started engine number one, engine number two got started a few seconds later during pushback, the tug disconnected and a minute later the gate agent “waved us away”. A nice blonde flight attendant entered the cockpit after the captain unlocked the door, she looked at the captain, he looked at her, she smiled and pointed her hand with a tumb up gesture towards him and left the cockpit, then Antoine made the safety briefing during taxi to runway 26L, it was like this:

Antoine: “In front of you is the life vest in case the plane crashes into the water, on the left site is oxygen”.

Me: “Ok”.

Then we arrived at the holding point between an Air France B 747-400 and an Aeromexico B 767-200, two minutes later we entered the runway after watching the take-off of the jumbo jet, the wing flex looked very impressive. After another minute, holding on the runway threshold, the ATC gave us take-off clearence and the flight crew immediately accelerated the baby bus after all of us took simultaneously on their sunglasses. It is long time ago that I got pressed so strongly into my seat during a take-off roll, the A 318 is a really poweful airplane, the take-off roll was very enjoyable and great fun. Climbout was enjoyable too because of the view to the front and to the site, after we reached our cruising altitude, the first officer told me: “You can release your shoulder belts”, actually I was quite surprised because I had to wear it during the whole flight on all my previous jumpseat flights, but I released it because I was still belted with the rest of the five point seat belt.

Antoine made a picture of me while I was enjoying the flight:



The very friendly and nice cockpit crew chatted with us and from time to time we could enjoy a few impressive views, for example a L1011 which crossed our way right in front of us, the view on France, the English Channel and Great Britain during we left French airspace, or a view of downtown London. Later, another flight attendant entered the cockpit, first she looked surprised when she saw us on the jumpseats but then she asked what Antoine and I would like to drink, both of us chose a Coke, a few minutes later she came back to serve us the coke and, additionally, also a tray with a cheese sandwich and an apricot cake, I was very impressed by the great service and the friendliness of this fantastic crew.

A picture of the meal:



It seems that Air France is not only the best airline when you are traveling as a regular passenger in the cabin, but also when you are flying on the jumpseat. The remaining flight time passed quick and the flight crew started the descent, the weather conditions where not the best and the plane shook a little bit because of the cloudy sky so all of us put on their shoulder belts. Then the runway came into sight, I enjoyed the last minute of the flight very much, it is simply great when you have a free view to the front while landing.

Here are three short Quicktime videos (if they don't work, simply click on the links with your right mouse button and choose the option "Save target as...":

Video No. 1 is showing the busy flight crew during the start of the descent.

Video No. 2 is showing the approach while MAN's runway 24R comes into sight

Video No. 3 is showing the view out of the cockpit on short final to runway 24R. I didn't film the touchdown because I wanted to enjoy it real and not while looking through a viewfinder of a camera.

The touch down was extremly smooth, after slowing down we taxied to Terminal 2 and Antoine and I waved out of the window, during we passed the visitors park, hoping that someone would take a picture. We chatted again with the crew and Antoine took a few cockpit shots after we arrived at the gate, then we thanked the whole crew for the fantastic flight and dissembarked to attent the Mega MAN Meeting (click here to see some pictures of the meeting).

I hope you enjoyed this little report about my latest jumpseat flight, I decided to post it because flights on the cockpit jumpseats have become very rare nowadays and I want to share this special experience with all of you. I didn’t write a report about the return flights from Manchester to Dusseldorf via Paris because they were rather uneventful (the usual good Air France service which is very recommendable).

Please note that all pictures and videos, as not otherwise indicated, are property of Antoine, every use without his permission is forbidden! As for the whole report, thanks a lot for reading and watching it, questions and comments are welcome as usual.

Epilogue

The Paris-Manchester flight was fantastic, maybe the best I ever had, firstly because I finally got the A 318 but especially because Antoine managed it to get both of us in the cockpit during the whole flight, which is nearly impossible nowadays. It is a really great experience to fly on the cockpit jumpseat of a new aircraft type with a fellow A.net member. Also, the whole crew was very friendy and they made me really feel welcome onboard, my favorite airline impressed me once again.

Special thanks goes out to Antoine, to the whole crew of flight AF1968 on July 10th, and of course also to Antoine’s contact person at Air France, it is great that all of them made this fantastic flight possible.

Merci beaucoup!


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Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:20 pm

Patrick,

This is very good trip report and saw with your picture was great. Now, I can even see with your photo. I'm glad did you make ride on the jumpseat in the cockpit and very good for your captain letting you ride in the cockpit.

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Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:24 pm

Hi Patrick!
So you finally made it onto an A318... and even got a ride in the cockpit. That's really great news after our little "fiasco" in January!  Big thumbs up I am sure you will remember your Manchester trip for a long time, because it seems to be memorable in so many ways - be it your flight or your time on the ground in MAN.  Smile

I sure hope to read some more trip reports from you in the future - it has been a little quite about that from your side in the recent months. Although I understand that it is sometimes very hard to convince yourself to put so much effort and work into a report about a seemingly standard flight, it is highly appreciated by a lot of people including me!  Smile

I think I don't have to add much more concerning the really good Economy Class service of Air France - IMO they are now one of the most underrated airlines in Europe, but interestingly bad comments usually come from people, who have either never flown the airline before (or not more than once) or come from a certain political spectrum and live west of the Atlantic.  Big grin Big grin
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Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:24 pm

Awesome report!! I jumpseated this summer from Athens-Amsterdam...it really is the best way to fly isn't it?
 
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:05 am

Hi Patrick,

Thanks a lot for taking the time to write this excellent trip report!

Your reports are so nice that I can only second Jens: it's a pity that you don't write a lot of them anymore  Sad

What did you get served on the return? And how were the loadfactors on all flights?

It was nice to meet you again...

@Jens: a pity you weren't there! Especially the part in the pub from 5pm till midnight was very nice! We had a very nice chat with Iberia747, Vliegtuigfreak and of course the others sitting at our table.

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Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:07 pm

Hey guys, thanks a lot for your replies!

@Scott: We were indeed very happy that the captain gave us jumpseat permission, Antoine organized everything very good, I was a pleasure to experience the whole flight in the cockpit.

@Jens: Yes, getting the A 318 and additionally the jumpseat was the ultimate compensation for me since I missed the A 318 together with you back in January this year. The flight and the meeting were very good, certainly a weekend to remember. Air France impressed me again, their F/A's are the kindliest in my opinion, they do everything with a smile on their face and they are acting very professional.

@Alec: You are correct, sitting in the cockpit is indeed the best way to fly, if I would have the choice between a flight in Business Class or on the jumpseat, of course I would choose the jumpseat. On which airline and aircraft type did you jumpseated? Olympic?

@Frederic: The return flights were quite full, there was even an equipment change on the CDG-DUS flight (from 320 to 321), but on both flights I had a window seat and the complete row for myself, somehow I am the king of getting either the middle seat blocked or even the complete row for myself, it is long time ago that I had a person in the seat next to me on a flight. The catering was not the best on these afternoon flights, on both flights I got a bag with a "snack mix" and of course all kind of drinks were offered, on the MAN-CDG flight I had a gin-tonic and on the CDG-DUS flight I had a beer. It was nice to see you again on the MAN meeting, I hope we will find another opportunity to meet, will you be on the AMS meeting in September? How was your South European tour? Can we expect a trip report?

Patrick


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Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:13 pm

Sabena,
I indeed flew Olympic Airlines (no longer Airways). My aunt's husband has a brother who flies as a senior captain for OA. So as a little surprise my aunt gave him a call and I was greeted with a nice surprise when I took my seat at the gate  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.
 
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Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:50 am

What a great report and what a great flight that must have been. I was getting pretty jealous while reading your report, I have to admit. I can only hope I will make it onto the jumpseat one day but it´s getting harder and harder these days.  Crying

Although AF is not my absolute favorite airline, I should give them a try soon, especially when there is a chance to get the A318.  Smile

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Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:23 am

Sorry for my late reply, but I was sick of the terrible rainy and cloudy weather in Germany, so I had to spent the weekend in warmer climate  Big thumbs up.

@Alec: I am glad to see that Olympic Airlines, not Airways anymore (hard to to accustom to the "Airlines" title  Big grin), is still offering cockpit jumpseat flights to relatives of employees. Unfortunately, also Germany has become paranoid and jumpseat flights are not possible anymore here since November last year, I am glad that there are a few European airlines which still allows it.

@Daniel: Thanks for your comments. You are correct, jumpseat flights have become very rare but I wish you all the best to score the best seat in the plane on one of your upcoming flights. Even if AF is not your favorite airline, go for the A 318 because it is a fantastic plane. The take-off roll, on my flight, was extremly powerfull (as much fun as the take-off roll in the CR7). I enjoyed the flight very much and not only because of the jumpseat, I am sure that I had also fun as a regular passenger in the cabin because of the great performance of the plane.

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Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:33 am

Very nice trip report, Patrick!!!!

I played the videos and the hum of the engine made me quite envious of your experience.

I guess some people have all the luck  Big grin

I wish they would allow that here in the US....Hell, I'd even pay extra for the privledge..

Chris

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Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:13 am

@Chris: Thanks for your reply. I absolutely agree with you, I would even pay thrice of the fare for getting the jumpseat because it is a fantastic experience, unfortunately Germany has the same law like the USA, jumpseat flights are not allowed anymore, I am glad that AF is so kind to make an exception form time to time! As I wrote in a reply above, if I would have the choice between Biz Class or jumpseat, of course I would choose the jumpseat.

By the way, another picture of Antoine's collection has been accepted on A.net:


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And here is a very special picture, you can see my hand while our A 318 is passing the visitors park:



Thanks a lot to Andy for informing me by eMail about it and for sending me the picture! This is greatly appreciated!

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Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:58 am

Nice report Smile

Your movies will not work though, as they are .MOV, which nothing will support Sad

I've tried to post .MOV movies before.

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Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:15 am

The movies work fine for me? Are you trying through Quicktime, or Media Player. They work through Quicktime.

Great report!

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Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:47 pm

Scott and Stephen, thanks also to you for your replies. Stephen is correct, you need Quicktime to play the movies, I just downloaded one of them for a test and it worked fine for me.

Three more pictures have been accepted on A.net:

We arrived at the holding point between the Aeromexico 763 and the Air France 744, watching the take-off of the 744 was great, the wingflex looked very impressive:


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Another shot of the cockpit after we arrived at Gate 211 at Manchester:


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Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:51 am

A really enjoyable read Patrick Big grin! The photos/movies are excellent, and very lucky with the jumpseat too.

One question - during departure (on the 318 to MAN of course) did you notice how soon the autopilot was turned on? I'm always interested to know how long the pilots will hand fly before leaving it to the computers, though it seems to depend a lot on the weather.

@Alec (Olympic A-340) could you e-mail me please via my profile with your email address if poss? I wanted to ask about the jumpseat with OA as I have flights booked next spring LHR-ATH-LHR and there wasn't an address under your profile...

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Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:36 pm

Hello Oliver,

at first: Welcome on A.net, I hope you enjoy the forums and the other parts of this site!

Unfortunately I can't answer your question, I didn't look at the flight crew during climbout because I enjoyed the nice overview of Charles De Gaulle airport during the rush-hour. Maybe Antoine can answer your question because he had the middle jumpseat with a perfect view on the instruments and the flight crew.

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Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:29 am

Hi Patrick, thanks for the welcome, it's much appreciated.

I will contact Antoine to ask about the autopilot. Quite understandable about looking out of the window, an overview of CDG in the rush hour isn't something to be missed!

Thanks again for a really great TR, it's always nice to read about jumpseat experiences, being so rare these days.

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Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:57 pm

Hi Oliver,

I am glad that you enjoyed the report, it is always nice to get such a positive feedback! You are correct, getting the cockpit jumpseat is very rare nowadays, but I wish you all the best to get it on one of your upcoming flights.

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Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:43 am

Wow sweet trip report! So if I flew from MIA-CDG on Air France I could get a jumpseat ride, maybe? or does it have to be on an intra Europe flight?

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Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:42 am

OMG, the report is back on the first page of the Trip Report Forum.  Wow!

Quoting FLLDTW744 (Reply 18):
Wow sweet trip report!

Thanks, I am glad you liked it!

Quoting FLLDTW744 (Reply 18):
So if I flew from MIA-CDG on Air France I could get a jumpseat ride, maybe? or does it have to be on an intra Europe flight?

I would say that it is easier to get a jumpseat ride when you are flying within Europe, but I also know some people who were allowed to get into "the office" during a long-haul flight. One A.netter could visit the cockpit inflight and another one was allowed to sit on the jumpseat during take-off and landing. You should always ask!

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Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:41 am

Hi Patrick,

What a super report, so lucky to get a jump seat ride, pretty difficult these days. Saying that, I have a friend who is a VS 744 pilot, might have to joing him on a trip in the near future Smile

Though i've not flown AF since 1992, it appears from your and many other comments and reports that they are pretty good service wise, so good on you for sticking with them over LH.

Regards

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Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:23 pm

Thanks for your reply, Mark!

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 20):
so lucky to get a jump seat ride, pretty difficult these days.

Indeed, it was much easier before 9/11 but fortunately there are still airlines and pilots who allow us enthusiasts to ride on the jump. I am always very thankful when I get such an opportunity.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 20):
Saying that, I have a friend who is a VS 744 pilot, might have to joing him on a trip in the near future

Go for it, you will be amazed! Unfortunately I never experienced a jumpseat flight in a widebody aircraft but at least I achieved a little milestone, I rode on the cockpit jumpseat of the complete A32X series, from the A318 to the A321 incl. the A320-100.  bigthumbsup 

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 20):
Though i've not flown AF since 1992, it appears from your and many other comments and reports that they are pretty good service wise, so good on you for sticking with them over LH.

In my opinion offers AF one of the best Economy Class service of all European airlines. A few weeks ago I flew in their new Business Class and it was absolutely amazing, definitely worth the money. Unfortunately I never had the chance to check out their First Class but hopefully I can realize such a flight in the future!

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Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:04 pm

Hey Patrick,

Thats great!
Very well writen I enjoyed it very much  Smile

Thanks for sharing!

Both thumbs up!  Smile  Smile  Smile

Cheers,
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:32 am

Thanks Aaron, I am glad that you liked the report!

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Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:17 am

This was a while ago now lol,

Nice one Patrick!, AF was nice enough to offer me a Jumpseat a few weeks ago  Silly

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Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:39 am

Hey Karis,

Great to hear that AF was so kind to offer you a jumpseat flight as well!

On which aircraft type did you fly and which route? Did you just ask during boarding or did a certain Elbonian A.netter organize the flight for you in advance?

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Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:59 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 25):
Great to hear that AF was so kind to offer you a jumpseat flight as well!

On which aircraft type did you fly and which route? Did you just ask during boarding or did a certain Elbonian A.netter organize the flight for you in advance?

Flying MAD-CDG on F-GTRM (A321)

Just on Boarding I asked (as I always do) if there was any chance of a visit Pre flight. Captain smiled and said maybe.

During the flight the F/A came up to me and asked to see my passport and asked me to confirm my name, So I did and then he replied with "the captain is ready for you now" And so up I went and stayed there until we pulled up to the gate in CDG, what an amazing experience. I don't need Elbonian glory to get what I need lol

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Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:17 am

Quoting Pilot kaz (Reply 26):
During the flight the F/A came up to me and asked to see my passport and asked me to confirm my name, So I did and then he replied with "the captain is ready for you now" And so up I went and stayed there until we pulled up to the gate in CDG, what an amazing experience.

Great to hear that it was pretty easy for you to get the jumpseat! I am waiting for your trip report.  Smile

Quoting Pilot kaz (Reply 26):
I don't need Elbonian glory to get what I need lol

Yeah, since Antoine showed me how easy it is, I also did it by myself the last two times. Big grin

I remember when I flew back from the Paris Air Show in June, I was still wearing my Le Bourget press pass when I boarded the plane and the crew immediately asked if I am an industry professional or reporter, then we had a short chat and after two minutes I was invited to join the crew in the cockpit. That was certainly a flight to remember, not only because of the good weather but also because I got a jumpseat flight on the A320-100Big grin

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Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:30 pm

Sabena332,thanks for sharing this amazing report!it remind me when i flew once on a jump seat with Aerolineas Argentinas from EZE to GIG
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Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:24 pm

Hey Patrick
nice report.
Did the Cpt tell you something about AFs Jumpseat policy?
Because we get told that to all flights to the UK and North America we are not even allowed to take our own flight crews in the Cockpit. I wonder now if this is maybe a german thing or you just had a nice Guy in the Cockpit whp doesn't care so much about these ridicilous safety rules. But anyhow I'm sure you had a great trip.

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Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 28):
Sabena332,thanks for sharing this amazing report!

Thanks for your reply, I am glad that you like the report!

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 29):
Hey Patrick
nice report.

Thanks Bjoern!

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 29):
Did the Cpt tell you something about AFs Jumpseat policy?

I am not 100% sure, but I think that at Air France is always the Captain the person who decides who can sit on the jumpseat and who not. I even know two people who were allowed to jumpseat on flights to/from the USA.

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 29):
But anyhow I'm sure you had a great trip.

Indeed, my first flight on the A318 and additionally I got the cockpit jumpseat, you can't ask for more!

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Wed May 02, 2007 8:10 am

There are a couple of pics missing.
Guessing why.
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Fri May 04, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 31):
There are a couple of pics missing.
Guessing why.

I've no idea what happened to William's pics, must have been deleted from the server.

Patrick

PS: My next jumpseat flight is in approx. 5 weeks, of course I'll take the same seat if we end up on F-GUGE again. Big grin
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Sat May 05, 2007 7:03 pm

Argh, stop bringing 3 year old threads back from the dead  Wink
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Sat May 05, 2007 10:13 pm

It was a good read, regardless of the age.
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Tue May 08, 2007 6:31 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 33):
Argh, stop bringing 3 year old threads back from the dead

Don't blame me, Mr. Kirk, I am just answering questions.  Wink

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 34):
It was a good read, regardless of the age.

Thanks, I appreciate it!

Stay tuned for another jumpseat report in a few weeks! Big grin

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