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HAL009 03 Oct 05

Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:19 pm

Hawaiian Air HAL009 N585HA "Noio" LAX-HNL Seat 39J 10-03-05

I decided to take this flight as it would allow me to get some LAX spotting & photo time before returning home. Well, my camera decided to get sick upon arrival a few days before. Thank God that the Nikon repair center is in the L.A. area. So that day was spent just watching ... akin to going hunting without a gun.

Of course with LAX, getting there early is a must to avoid the long TSA lines. With a few hours before boarding, I got to watch Rwy 24 action from T2. The HA 763 that pulled into Gate 28 was N585HA ("Noio"), an ex-LTU bird (which shows its wear and tear inside). It's the 2nd time riding on this bird, the 1st being from PDX to HNL via OGG. Even the FAs don't care for the ex-LTU 763s.


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This was a full flight. According to , there were several empty seats around the aft section, when I did their web check-in @ 2200 the night before. Those seats were taken up. We pushed back @ 1755PDT (on-time), and was assigned to depart from the near-by Rwy 24L, behind a LHR-bound VS 744. Take-off was uneventful, and flew up the SoCal coast a bit before turning west, and chasing the sunset. There was some mild chop enroute, but nothing bone-jarring. Settled for the turkey sandwich (since the main dish was gone, and 2nd choice of pasta looked a bit dry). One thing surprised me, was that the cabin lights were left on during the movie. Those pax trying to sleep were doing so with their sunglasses on.

We made our decent over the east end of O'ahu, and was assigned to land on Rwy 4R. As is the case for landings after 2000HST, so as not to roar over the houses on the Ewa plain for noise abatement procedures. The approach seemed quite normal, though I thought we were a bit high over Rwy 8R, and a bit fast. The normal touchdown point for Rwy 4R is abeam the Palekona parking lot, however we did not touch until the CO hangar. There also was a 15kt crosswind.

This is where it got interesting ... the pilot actually slammed the 763 onto 4R, hitting with the right main, bounced then on both mains. He dropped the nose hard and floored the brakes and reversers, because he wanted to exit @ T/W K. My estimate is that from our touchdown point to K is less than 5,000 ft. Oh yeah, we also exited K a bit fast as well, and felt the aft section drift as he made the turn.

There were a couple of screams and expletives upon touchdown. Those sleeping were rudely awakened. Upon the announcement of our arrival in HNL, the cabin broke out in applause. One of my business associates on the flight, later told me that the pilot was on a check ride. I don't think he passed the landing. Though 585 was scheduled to go to PHX, 90 minutes after our arrival. I hope they checked the landing gear.

IMHO, the pilot should have gone around. I was surprised that a] he did not blow any of the mains, and b] no one got a neck or back injury. If he really wanted to make a K exit safely, he would have touched abeam Palekona. Though in practically all the 767 landings I've seen on 4R, those exiting on K touched abeam the Gen Av hangars. The rest rolled to the end

That was the hardest landing I have ever been on. I've heard of similar landings during rain or snow, but not clear weather. A DL 764 from LAX also had a hard landing on 4R arriving 30 mins before us. Would a 15 kt crosswind play a factor in this type of landing?
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RE: HAL009 03 Oct 05

Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:27 am

Hi there Bluewave,
I've only taken a ride on an HA 763 once, also LAX-HNL. What are the differences between the former LTU jets vs. the rest? I might be one to enjoy them as the all out assault on my eyes by the color purple inside the bird I rode was a bit sickening. I now call HA birds the "purple power planes."
 
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RE: HAL009 03 Oct 05

Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:37 pm

The differences with the ex-LTU 763s (N584HA - N586HA) are:
• Leather seats
• Old-style interior
• German text in lavs
• No windows @ Rows 16 & 23
• Cabin seems more cramped than the other 763s

All of the other 763s fleet are also leased, but were obtained as new. The latter reg#s have the 777-style interior.

If you run a search on the database you'll see the external differences. 580 - 583 are leased from AWAS. 587 - 593 are mixed between AWAS and Boeing.

[Edited 2005-10-12 07:40:08]
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RE: HAL009 03 Oct 05

Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:38 am

Quoting 727EMflyer (Reply 1):
What are the differences between the former LTU jets vs. the rest?

You can also add:
Less video monitors
no ovens and coffe makers in mid service center
fwd partition separating seats 1CG from the forward aisle
ac#584-586 has airshow program while the rest dont
a smell like an old german sweatsock


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RE: HAL009 03 Oct 05

Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:21 pm

Have any of the HA employees on the A.net forums heard about the hard landing on the 3rd? What's the story floating around the airline?
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