SailorOrion
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LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:08 am

Hi people,

This is my First LIVE Trip Report I'm writing, right now flying over Scotland on D-AIGR (an A340-300 called "Leipzig"). Current Date is 2005-12-26

My sister and I decided to make a nice Chrismas present to my girlfriend so we spent a .. couple of miles to get an Award flight to JFK for girlfriend and me. My sister is going there for business purpose and flies the appropriate class  Smile

First thing that I found very astounding that the "taxes" for the "free" award tickets have skyrocketed to close to 200 EUR (per ticket ) meanwhile for taxes and stuff.

We've arrived at MUC about 2 hours prior to departure and found a rather deserted Terminal 2. Unfortunately, all seats but 2 in Y class were booked, so we expected a rather cramped flight.

Luckily my sister has a Senator Card so we could use the First Class check-in and Senator lounge, where they had assorted Chrismas Cookies, Cakes, a nice little salat bar, and Crabmeat Soup along about every beverage that is produced on this world. The lounge in concourse H (Non-Schengen) was rather empty as well, so we made ourselved comfortable.

45 minutes prior to departure we waked up to Gate H08 where boarding began a short while later, and we squeezed ourselves into Seats 38D/E.

Another point (apart from the horrendous "taxes" on the ticked) that really pissed me off was the fact that my Passport and Boarding Pass were checked about half a dozen times, and we got screened twice (each time you have to put off shoes, belts, unpack your laptop, jam it in again ... ). I wish those dipheads in the E.U. and the U.S. would finally make up their minds and check everybody at the airport ONCE and ONLY ONCE:

During the 2nd security screening, a nice lady from Connexion By Boeing offered me a free 30 minute trail promotion plus a 50% off promotion for FlyNET, which I gladly accepted. Right after lunch/dinner, which consisted of salad, pork and some kind of cranberry cake (and was rather delicous, for airline standards that is), I decided to try FlyNET. Using my IBM thinkpad, and my SuSE LINUX 10 installation, setting up (including initial sign-in) took less than 30 seconds. So here I am, still having about 5.5 hours of flight into N.Y. (my first trip there till 1998).

I'll keep you updated.

SailorOrion
 
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:18 am

Quoting SailorOrion (Thread starter):
setting up (including initial sign-in) took less than 30 seconds.

Great to hear !

Quoting SailorOrion (Thread starter):
I'll keep you updated.

Keep it coming !

Quoting SailorOrion (Thread starter):
First thing that I found very astounding that the "taxes" for the "free" award tickets have skyrocketed to close to 200 EUR (per ticket ) meanwhile for taxes and stuff.

LH also puts in some fuel-surcharge here !
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:13 am

NYC is waiting for you with open arms! Currently cloudy but dry. We had bad rain for the last 24-36 hours. It's 8c or 47F, quite mild. Our transit strike is over so getting around should be easy. Enjoy the rest of the trip! Welcome to NYC!
 
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:25 am

Given my user name I have to reply to you and wish you a perfect stay in NYC.

LH 410 was my first transatlantic crossing on 3 June 1987, just after having finished school - I am glad to hear that the flight number of LH's MUC-JFK service has remained unchanged. At the time I was on a LH DC 10 bearing the name of the City of Fuerth, leaving from Muenchen-Riem. As I recall the load factor in Y was less than 50% - seems to be different today.

Enjoy your time in one of the most magic cities in the world

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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:11 am

HT:

Award Flights have fuel surchages? Strange ...

B707Stu:

Thanks a lot for the welcome.

LH410:

Well, as far as I can remember, Y class was really comfortable flying back then. Currently I have my laptop on my lap and try to balance it with just my toes on the floor, having the head somewhere below the shoulders to read the screen. Using the tray table to work is impossible ... Oh yes, the windows-based IFE in C Class crashed yet again, but they gunned it up again.

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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Tue Dec 27, 2005 8:38 pm

That's why you use Linux (song airlines in the US uses nix for it's IFE on the 757s)
What now?
 
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:04 pm

Quoting SailorOrion (Thread starter):
First thing that I found very astounding that the "taxes" for the "free" award tickets have skyrocketed to close to 200 EUR (per ticket ) meanwhile for taxes and stuff.

Yes, absolutely ridiculous. My last LH MILES&LESS award on SQ cost me 197 EUR as well. A much longer award issued on AA cost 44 EUR. Yet another way how LH screws the customers.
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:41 pm

Quoting SailorOrion (Thread starter):
I decided to try FlyNET. Using my IBM thinkpad, and my SuSE LINUX 10 installation, setting up (including initial sign-in) took less than 30 seconds. So here I am, still having about 5.5 hours of flight into N.Y. (my first trip there till 1998).

Unless your IBM Thinkpad's battery lasts that long, you will be out of luck looking for electrical outlets in Y/Class. Of course, you could lock yourself up in the loo and use the electrical outlet there.  silly 

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 6):
Yes, absolutely ridiculous. My last LH MILES&LESS award on SQ cost me 197 EUR as well. A much longer award issued on AA cost 44 EUR. Yet another way how LH screws the customers.

Ah, Lari ... how else is Craphansa supposed to make some money? All those cheap fares it has! *ts-ts* You are so inconsiderate.  wink 

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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:10 am

Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 4):
HT:

Award Flights have fuel surchages? Strange ...

Not only LH does this but also award tickets on AF/KL currently include a fuel surcharge.
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Wed Dec 28, 2005 5:44 am

Hi Frank,
interesting live LH-experience.
Enjoy your time in New York and tell us more later.
About the fuel surcharge:
I´ve booked a AF Flying Blue run STR-CDG-ATH only some days ago and payed
53,75 EURO standard taxes, no sign about fuel surcharges!
Taxes: EUR 32.00YQ 3.92FR 17.83XT?
Greetings,
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:11 am

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 9):
I´ve booked a AF Flying Blue run STR-CDG-ATH only some days ago and payed
53,75 EURO standard taxes, no sign about fuel surcharges!

Going for vindication here:
I just looked up FB-award flights HAJ-CDG-CPH-AMS-HAJ for May 2006 on www.airfrance.com/de relevant for me.
"Prämientickets unterliegen Flughafen- und Sicherheitsgebühren sowie Treibstoffzuschlägen." translates into "Award tickets are subject to airport- and security-fees as well as fuel surcharges".
I would have to pay 132.74 EUR for these flights (which I will not book).
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:47 am

Holger:
Date for my AF STR-CDG-ATH run is 06.04. booked 20.12. at airfrance.com.
If the 32.-- EUROs will be the fuel surcharge,ok, but the difference
3,92 EUROs and 17,83 EUROS is much to low for the standard STR and CDG taxes and fees.
Interesting the confirmation was in french language, no problem for me.
Checked back my books for my last FlyingBlue run in mid October:
STR-LYS-FCO: 7.95 QX 32.00YQ 22.08XT.
Again the 32.00 EUROS, maybe really the fuel surcharge.
Greetings,
Markus (FLIEGER67)
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:29 am

Luckily my thinkpad lasts a good 5-6 hours on linux, even more if I needa stretch it, as I have failed to find any outlets in Y class. And using the ones in the lavatory already gave me trouble once ....

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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:33 pm

Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 12):
And using the ones in the lavatory already gave me trouble once ....

Is this due to the fact that you locked yourself up in the lav´ for 2 hours ? Big grin
Or did your charger pull too many amps and it tripped some fuse ?

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 11):
Again the 32.00 EUROS, maybe really the fuel surcharge.

Might be - or not. Let´s close this case in this thread. Okay?
Have fun,
Holger
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:58 pm

Nah I put the charger in the loo and locked the door from the outside  Smile

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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:44 am

Very interesting, not often you'd get a live report.  Wink I was hoping to post a live on myself when I flew KE012 but unfortunately I didn't have any credit cards on me...though it was awesome to download an actual webpage in-flight... Embarrassment
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:53 am

So, I've spent the last week in NYC with my girlfriend, who left Europe for the firs time ever, and she was rather impressed (so was I, again). However, the typical tourist attractions in NYC are nothing short of highway robbery. It also amazed the that about all the museums seems to regard themselves as a prime terror target, with security checks all over the place, but ok ....

Leaving the apartment at 1830, we arrived at JFK around 1915, where I tried to get re-routed onto the nonstop flight to MUC. No chance, LH411 was totally packed; which meant a FRA stopover for us. We were told that our flight (LH405) was also rather full and we got pretty crappy seats in the aft cabin of D-ABTL, a B747-400. What the hell I thought and boarded as the last passenger, and, see there, two seats in the first row of the Y class cabin were free, so we took them, and enjoyed about twice the usual legroom.

I was surprised by the excellent condition of JFK's Terminal 1. All the facilities were welcoming and clean, Check-in took less than 10 minutes and security less than 5.

Flight was totally uneventful, and I slept a good portion of it. I however recorded the highest speed I have ever flow in a commercial airliner: 1100km/h. The nice tailwind helped us in being on time, although we had to wait about 30 minutes in JFK to obtain takeoff clearance.

FRA was a bit of a nightmare. Not so much because of the airport itself, but because some diphead in the EU thought that transfer passengers have to be screened when coming from an "unclean" airport. Maybe not a bad idea at all, but I fail to see why Heraklion or Kattowice are "clean" airports, while all U.S. and Japanese airports and even Tel Aviv is not (!!!). Someone needs to burn in hell for that.

The flight from FRA to MUC was the usual "corporate shuttle" by LH, as I counted no less than 50 personnel from LH just by the uniforms. The A321 was not more than 50%, but I was hardly surprised as traffic in the first week of January is quite low.

Overall I must say LH made surprisingly good impression on me. A very professional crew, decent food (when could you last say that about Y class airline food) and perfect reliability. I just wish the normal Y class seats had an inch or two more seat pitch. PTV, well I dunno, would be a nice add-on and not leave a quaint impression on some of the passengers.

Hope you enjoyed it,
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:45 am

Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 16):
FRA was a bit of a nightmare. Not so much because of the airport itself, but because some diphead in the EU thought that transfer passengers have to be screened when coming from an "unclean" airport.

Strange procedure at FRA; never happened to me before in T1.
Where exactly did that screening take place ?
Are you sure, you didn´t wander outside the secure area ?
Were you arriving at B-gates and then connecting to A-gates ? If so, I assume
you used the connecting tunnel between the two gate areas ?
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:59 am

We HAD to leave the security area between A63 and A11 for whatever reason. The tunnel from B to A was closed.

The screening was exactly the screening which takes place when you depart from A  Smile

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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:49 pm

So I've begun adding photos to my database, for everyone who is interested in what we did in NYC   Some nice pics of the Concorde and the U.S.S. Intrepid can be found there as well. I'm still busy editing the photos, adding comments and stuff, so be patient

http://www.fvfischer.de/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=10

[Edited 2006-01-16 08:56:43]
 
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:49 pm

Cool pics

Thanks for sharing !
 
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RE: LH 410 MUC-JFK Y Class Live!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:59 pm

I just wish the script wouldn't only read the EXIF information, but also use it to rotate the images to the correct orientation. This is no fun with almost 400 pics :P

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