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Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:45 am

 expressionless This trip to Argentina was entirely unexpected. I didn’t care to visit Argentina but then the opportunity came up—bam—just like that. So I went just for the heck of it. My itinerary originated in Guadalajara. I chose Mexicana even though the ticket price was higher than American carriers like Delta and American Airlines. I did so for three reasons:
1. convenient connection from Guadalajara,
2. I would get to fly this “flagship” flight on Mexicana and write a trip report for my fellow a.netters, and
3. Mexicana seats perfectly fit my 5ft-6in Thai body—Mexicana seats are the most comfortable seats in the sky, at least for me.


As expected, the trip from Guadalajara to Mexico City was routinely uneventful. This is why I see no need to write about this portion. It was so unremarkable that I don’t even remember anything about it: what was served, how was the service, what kind of aircraft it was. The next thing I knew, I was strolling along the vertical corridor of Mexico City Airport.


I had about three hours of wait before my flight time. So I settled down at an empty information kiosk to charge my laptop and get some school works done. This kiosk was an information kiosk belonging to the Mexican Government to promote some political campaign. I don’t remember what it was. But I stood there, doing my work and people kept coming to me to ask questions about the airport when the real airport information desk was just opposite to the kiosk where I stood: “where is this gate?,” “where’s the bathroom?,” “where’s United Red Carpet lounge?” Good thing I know Benito Juarez Airport very well so I was able to help them. But then there was this Israeli couple charging at me and asked me in such hurried, incomprehensible English I didn’t know what they were saying. I asked them to slow down but they got angry and were yelling at me before walking away. I was really upset and decided to get out of this kiosk before some passengers murder me over the whereabout of their desired destination in this airport.


Somehow I’m glad all this happened. I finally realized that this is what many flight attendants and airline customer service persons have to put up with everyday. One wonders why they look so drained and disgruntled sometimes. I’d be just the same if I get bombarded by capricious passengers everyday like this. Anyhow, my flight time approached. So I looked up at a screen and saw that my flight was leaving form gate 19D.


Lounging around at Gate 19D at Benito Juarez, waiting for boarding via a Mobile Lounge as the aircraft (recently C-checked 767, as I learned from Latinplane) was parked off-gate.



The Mobile Lounge was very crowded and we had to wait a long time before it actually departed from the gate. One thing I can not stand even after three years in Mexico is the rich Mexicans. In the Mobile Lounge, I sat next to this really snobbish girl talking on one of those designer, pricey cell phones, complaining to her boyfriend in Monterrey that she didn’t have time to do duty free shopping and this and that. It went on and on. Somehow I wish I didn’t understand Spanish just during those fifteen minutes before the Mobile Lounge moved away from the gate; so I wouldn’t have to listen to her rubbish and fresa (snobbish) conversation. Then I was saved. The doors closed and the Mobile Lounge finally moved. The girl said good bye to her boyfriend and put her cell phone back in her Louis Vuitton (ewww, that is so nouveau riche and last season).  yuck 


We arrived at the aircraft—a newly painted 767 with the new logo and livery. Knock, knock, is anyone home? We waited for about twenty minutes more. The girl next to me took out her cell phone and called her boyfriend again. PLEASE, NO!!! What is there to talk about, people? Everybody in this Mobile Lounge knows you’re privileged and got a boyfriend!!! After five minutes of waiting in this Mobile Lounge, the female gate agent in red announced that the aircraft was being fueled and therefore we could not board. (At this point, the girl on the cell phone paraphrased and relayed the information to her boyfriend over the phone). Whereas this man you see in the picture keeps knocking and peeping through the aircraft door every thirty seconds. I don’t know what he was expecting to see: a flight attendant getting naked before changing into her uniform; or doing some lesbian kisses to prepare for their long flight and to excite him? Some men just can’t help it, can they? It was so funny to see though.



Finally the fueling was complete we were allowed to board. (Yeah b-tch, turn off that gaudy cell phone of yours, and put it deep inside your equally flashy Louis Vuitton, and you better start walking before I walk on you!)

Clase Ejecutiva  wideeyed . (This cell phone girl actually sat down at 1A and she looked so proud.) The real Clase Ejecutiva looked so much better than this photo, trust me. This is as good as it gets at Mexicana because this is their longest flight. Thus, this Business Class seat is probably the most expensive in all of Mexicana too dollarsign . Once airborne, the Clase Ejecutiva cabin was dimmed, leaving two very bright but beautiful lights to shine on the Mexicana logos and it looked so inviting; it looked like a very chic nightclub somewhere in Polanco in D.F. Sorry I have no photo of this—I didn’t want to invade other passengers’ privacy.



Here’s my modest, self-sufficient seat in Economy class.



La vista of the cabin from my seat. Buenos Aires, ready or not, here we come!



Paraphernalia for in-flight pampering. What? You don’t have my Vidal Sassoon shampoo? I’m sooo gonna write to the CEO.



Dinner.



Then we were off to slumberland. Zzz zzz zzz zzz  zzz 


Get up everyone! Time to eat! Let me shovel this food and pour this drink into your orifices!!! (Just kidding, these flight attendants were quite polite). It’s now morning and Mexicana flight attendants start distributing drinks and breakfasts.



My not-so-hearty breakfast. What? There’s no Chilaquiles for breakfast? What kind of Mexican airline is this?:
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Overall the service was good on this leg. The food was disappointing for such a high-profile route. I mean, they gave you an orejita (palmier) cookie for dessert for dinner and the same thing for breakfast. Please! Most people paid at least 9,000 Mexican pesos for this round-trip!


The pilot was really nice. He said good morning to us and told us to look outside the window as we were flying over the Andes. He said that Buenos Aires was just a while away.



We landed at Ezeiza. I suddenly felt disoriented. I felt like I was in Europe. I could have been in France or Italy. I mean the countryside landscape around the airport strikingly resembled Europe. I read that Argentina was more European than Latin American but I didn’t know it would be that European.

Last look at the 767 which brought me safe and sound to Ezeiza. Despite the poor food, I still give Mexicana two thumbs up. Job well done, Mexicana!



Ezeiza was very far from the city. But it was a nice ride. The taxi driver was charming. He kept talking and talking but I enjoyed conversing with him. I thought I would be lost because I’m accustomed to Mexican Spanish. But, boy, I actually understood everything!!! On the way to Buenos Aires, I saw many taxi drivers parking their cars on roadsides and drank their mate tea under the tree, without a care in the world. I knew, right then, that there’s something magical about Argentina and that I would fall in love with this place.


My cute, little hotel room at a bed & breakfast in San Telmo (bathroom included). Who cares for the Four Seasons when you can have something as charming as this? The window, by the way, looked out onto a beautiful church.



My hunch proved to be true: I fell in love with Argentina. Oh yeah, BIG TIME!!! Who said New York was the center of the universe? Aehhhh! Wrong answer! It’s Buenos Aires, fool. It’s the world’s best-kept secret. I mean Buenos Aires was everything: it was Paris, Rome, London, New York, Baltimore, and Mexico City. I mean all that at the same time. The best of it though? It was BANGKOK cheap! I wanted to buy everything. Antique pieces sold in Buenos Aires would sell five times more in Paris, seriously. To date, Buenos Aires is probably the only city built upon the Western civilization where you can eat decent food for less than 10 U.S. dollars. The steak was the best I’ve ever eaten and I never paid more than 10 bucks even with wine and tips included. Of course, you can always find expensive food. But for a decent piece of steak and wine in a bohemian neighborhood like San Telmo, you never pay more than 10 U.S. dollars. In any case, everything was much much much cheaper than what it was worth.


Some images of Buenos Aires.

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Every time I passed the downtown area, I always saw groups of retirees protesting in front of bank buildings. For those of you who are curious, Argentine pesos devaluated to one third of its original value in 2001. This is good for tourists like us but detrimental for retirees and investors who had saved their entire lives and woke up one morning to learn that all had gone down the drain—well, almost. (I’m a Liberal Arts student OK? For those of you whose expertise in history and economics exceeds mine, please don’t slam me if I didn’t get this story 100% right. Just add a gentle side note in your reply please).



Pantomimes and puppeteer showcase their talents on a typical Sunday in Buenos Aires.

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Argentineans were so charming and adorable (especially the men). They spoke with their hands and smiles. They’re dark-haired like their Italian ancestors and slightly cross-eyed like their Iberian forefathers. But the strangest thing about them was that most of them were as tall as Americans! Must be the good meat and milk they devour and drink. And they know how to drink coffee too. In Mexico, espressos are rarities as most Mexicans drink coffee the American way (what the French call “sock juice”). But in Argentina, when you order “un café” they know you mean an espresso and that is what they serve.



Back to Ezeiza: tearful and heartbroken. Is it time to go home already?



The flight attendants on this flight were rude. The purser was actually playing a video game (a PSP) and so he was so pissed to have seen me walking around the cabin with a camera. He told me that I could not use my camera at anytime in-flight on Mexicana. I knew this was the rule but I also knew that most flight attendants don’t care as long as you don’t go around taking pictures of Mexican politicians flying off somewhere with their mistresses. The purser was probably afraid that I would take a picture of him playing his video game instead of taking care of customers. I listened to his instruction…well, sort of. I managed to take some pictures anyhow. Sue me, buddy!  box 

This is why I didn’t photograph the food, whcih, contrary to the MEX-EZE route, was superb. We had a piece of raised-and-cooked-in-Argentina filet mignon for dinner. It was just soooooo yummy. Wouldn’t give up that filet to anyone in the world even if it's Gael Garcia Bernal on his knees. Also, the Mexican soccer team Club América were on this flight, returning home and they were all seated in Economy. I don’t know what they were doing in Argentina as I am not a soccer person. Surely, many people were asking for their autographs.


In-flight service sequence. As this aircraft is used only on EZE route (correct me, if I'm wrong), the in-flight service sequence is permanently pasted on the galley wall.



I took this picture for all of you. I covered my head with the blanket before I took this because the purser was walking around the cabin. You see how much I am willing to do for my a.net friends? If you look closely, you can see very clearly shoe marks on the right wing right where it says “NO STEP.” Is this a prank? I mean the marks were so clear and visible that any forensic or shoe experts could tell the brand and even size of this shoe. It was so surreal.



Back home. “Don’t cry for me, Argentina…The truth is I never left you.” I’ll certainly return  crying . We landed at Benito Juarez. This time we actually had a gate so we didn’t have to use the Mobile Lounge. You can see two other Mexicana planes parking next to us.



To make a long story short, I left my heart in Buenos Aires. I love this place so much. I’ve seen a lot and been to many places but there’s no other place I would rather be than in Argentina. Now I’m only 24, but I can already see myself growing old and gray here in Argentina. Wouldn’t it be great to live and die at the end of the world?

If you’re an Argentine and reading this, please e-mail me or send me a short message to tell me what you think of my trip report, please.  yes 
 
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:13 am

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
I mean Buenos Aires was everything: it was Paris, Rome, London, New York, Baltimore, and Mexico City.



Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
To make a long story short, I left my heart in Buenos Aires.

Well, it happened the very same thing to me when I visited Buenos Aires back in 2000. I just fell in love with the country and the people ! One of these days I will break my piggy coin bank and buy myself a ticket and return to Argentina darling !

ThayboynMexico, I did enjoy your trip report very much. Your writing style is really refreshing and classy. You are able to convey some very key emotions perfeclty clear and in a very touchy manner.

Thank you very much for having shared your experience with us a.netters.

Best regards and a very Happy New Year 2006 !
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:22 am

Nice trip report, I hope to visit Argentina someday! I believe the "NO STEP" warning on the wing only applies to the leading edge of the wing. It's common for mechanics to walk on the center portion of the wing for some maintenance procedures.
 
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:31 am

Thanks for the great pictures. Not impressed by the food on Mexicana. Over 10 years ago I flew on MX and they ran out of food by the time they got to the last back rows where we were sitting.

To me BA lookls like Europe must have been like in the 50s. But I was there 20 years ago.
 
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:59 am

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
One thing I can not stand even after three years in Mexico is the rich Mexicans.

Sounds like someone is jealous. Can you stand rich Thai people or do you dislike them as well?

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
put her cell phone back in her Louis Vuitton (ewww, that is so nouveau riche and last season).



Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
(Yeah b-tch, turn off that gaudy cell phone of yours, and put it deep inside your equally flashy Louis Vuitton, and you better start walking before I walk on you!)



Meow!

Other than your class warfare comments I found your TR to be very well written and I enjoyed reading it. I've heard many great things about BA and would like to plan a trip there one day.
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:47 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
Other than your class warfare comments

Well I laughed alot lol

Great trip report, shame about Mexicana though, I expected five stars from them in the EZE route. Anyway, time will tell.


Cheers

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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:45 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
Sounds like someone is jealous. Can you stand rich Thai people or do you dislike them as well?

I've had the opportunity to meet him and his family in person, and can assure you that Thaiboy's family is pretty well off. As a matter of fact, his mansion--straight out of a Mexican soap opera--is situated in a very exclusive private area on top of a hill where the wealthy of the wealthy people in the city live. I don't think he's talking out of jealousy, but speaking from experience, for if you understand, or try to understand how the social structure in the country works, you'd understand what he's triying to say... Well, maybe to a certain extent it is somewhat like that in the U.S. as well, but in Mexico the line is so clear.

Anyways...great trip report. I was cracking up!

I was also laughing at the "Don' cry for me... you know I've never left you" The Argentines must be cringing! 

What would you say are the load factors for the flights? I wonder how Aerolineas Argentinas does on the route?

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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:45 pm

Load factors?
From the interviews that I conducted by talking to flight attendants and to passengers who travel very frequently between Buenos Aires and Mexico City, and from what I see; I think it's never less than 85%. Clase Ejecutiva, for example, was 100% full on both legs. On my way back, I sat next to this Argentine guy who's got an ex-wife and kids in Buenos Aires and his new wife in Mexico City, so he traveled a lot between these two cities and he confirmed that this route is always full most of the times. This flight is a cash cow for Mexicana, apparently. I don't think Aerolineas offers daily flight like Mexicana does. Another advantage about Mexicana is that it's non-stop. No need to connect in Lima, or Santiago de Chile, or Sao Paolo, etc.

Another curious fact is that, other than Mexicans and Argentineans, there were many international passengers on this flight too. On my way from Mexico City to Buenos Aires, there was a group of retirees from Hong Kong, several American businessmen and women, and even tourists from Spain.

If I were traveling on Business Class and I had a choice, I would choose Mexicana too. Man, their Business Class was just SWEET! Mexicana is certainly surpassing Aeromexico because it's been very agressive in reshaping its position in the market. It's young, and fresh, and modern; with new look, new uniform, new planes. The heated competition is going to profit Mexican travelers...now that Aeromexico is acquiring a 777, we'll see some major improvements in long-haul services between Mexico and the world. Despite some setbacks on my return flight, I still think Mexicana did a good job.
 
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:38 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
One thing I can not stand even after three years in Mexico is the rich Mexicans.

Sounds like someone is jealous. Can you stand rich Thai people or do you dislike them as well?

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
put her cell phone back in her Louis Vuitton (ewww, that is so nouveau riche and last season).



Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
(Yeah b-tch, turn off that gaudy cell phone of yours, and put it deep inside your equally flashy Louis Vuitton, and you better start walking before I walk on you!)



Meow!

Other than your class warfare comments I found your TR to be very well written and I enjoyed reading it. I've heard many great things about BA and would like to plan a trip there one day.

I think that it is valid to bring up comments like this since it gives an insight as to the culture of a nation. Furthermore, one's fellow passengers add to the atmosphere of a flight. Personally, the people watching is the best part of a flight to Latin America.

Secondly, I've lived in both Mexico and Thailand, and there is a huge difference between some of the rich people in both countries. The Thais are rather discrete, whereas some rich Mexicans take great joy in showing how much money they have or pretend to have. Moreover, most passengers on an MEX-EZE service are going to be from at least the upper middle-class in both since a ticket usually costs 25% of the annual Mexican income. (Yes, I know that this is a generalization.)

Finally, I think that any young woman having such a conversation on her cell phone on your last ATL - BOS flight would have turned such heads as well. Most of us would have just found her to be spoiled and carrying what is probably a fake LV!

Anyway, I liked your report very much. Great photos of BA, too.
 
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:34 am

Nice trip report! I agree with you regarding rich Mexicans. They want to show off how rich they are to everyone. In my opinion that is very rude, especially to the ones who are poor, it is like a provocation.

It is because of people like that girl that the left has regained power across Latin America, simply because they remind the poor of the huge wealth gap there is.

Thankfully it is only a few that do show off, it is not the majority.

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 7):
If I were traveling on Business Class and I had a choice, I would choose Mexicana too. Man, their Business Class was just SWEET! Mexicana is certainly surpassing Aeromexico because it's been very agressive in reshaping its position in the market. It's young, and fresh, and modern; with new look, new uniform, new planes. The heated competition is going to profit Mexican travelers...now that Aeromexico is acquiring a 777, we'll see some major improvements in long-haul services between Mexico and the world.

A close relative of mine flew with MX between CCS and MTY in Ejecutiva. He told me that he would never pay that amount of money again for the service he received. In the A320 seats aren't too comfy as they should be. On board service isn't something to be worth reminding. According to his point of view, CO offers a better on board service in Business and better seats.

Saludos desde Monterrey,
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:55 am

Thaiboy:

A great and entertaining trip report!  bigthumbsup 

Your description of that "fresa" is just simply spot on, but not only representative of Mexicans! Big grin Growing up with them, I found that I had the same feelings about them (for example on class trips to Greece, Holland, or France, many of them would act in exactly the same manner you described...and even the guys seem to have that...errr...."quality").

Although my opinion might be said to be a bit biased (my father is from Argentina), I tend to agree with you that BA is a beautiful city (admittedly I've only been there on holidays, which is usually a bit "better" than when you don't have to deal with the everyday things that might otherwise drive you mad).

Glad you had a good trip, and hope you get to enjoy the wonders of B.A. once again
 
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:37 pm

I see what you guys are saying now about the annoying girl. There are plenty of folks like that here in the States as I'm sure everyone is aware in the "Ugly American." I can guarantee you that she would have annoyed me as well since I have no tolerance for anyone that thinks they are better than others because of money. I would be considered rich but I sure as heck don't show it off. I've made decisions in my life to get me to the level I am today and it doesn't make me better than anyone, except those pesky Canadians.  biggrin 

As I said before, great report.
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:42 pm

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
The food was disappointing for such a high-profile route.



Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):

The flight attendants on this flight were rude.



Quoting Semsem (Reply 3):
Thanks for the great pictures. Not impressed by the food on Mexicana.



Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 9):

A close relative of mine flew with MX between CCS and MTY in Ejecutiva. He told me that he would never pay that amount of money again for the service he received. In the A320 seats aren't too comfy as they should be. On board service isn't something to be worth reminding. According to his point of view, CO offers a better on board service in Business and better seats.

It's really sad that the onboard service [at least the food], doesn't look so good. Not even good.

But what is really good is this report.

Thanks.
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:37 pm

The 1st time I went to EZE, a four course dinner for 2 Incl cocktails was about $20usd, and then a few years later, 2 cups of coffee and 2 croissants was 20usd. It seems that the pedlium has swung the other way again.
I really enjoyed reading your report. Thank you!
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Sun Jan 01, 2006 1:01 pm

I loved your report, I want to go to Argentina myself now. I gotta wait a few years though. Since we go on a tour on the west coast of the USA next year and we go to Rome and Jakarta as well to visit family.
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:27 pm

Great report, pity you wernt allowed to take pictures on your EZE-MEX flight!
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:35 am

Don't they all say that time to time, ZKSUJ?
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:53 pm

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
you’re an Argentine and reading this, please e-mail me or send me a short message to tell me what you think of my trip report, please.

I think that you should have told me that you were coming, would have gone out for a beer.  WinkAsk Bongo if he liked it  Smile

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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:19 am

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
(snobbish)



Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
(ewww, that is so nouveau riche and last season).

Pot..Kettle...Black

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
Yeah b-tch,



Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
and you better start walking before I walk on you!)

And the bitch here is......?

Good report but really, do you have to.......
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Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:17 am

ThaiboynMexico really well written report. I am also glad you liked our (my) city. I have also been to many places in the world, but there's absolutely nothing like Buenos Aires. Next time you come down here tell me, and we can have a couple of Quilmes!  Smile

Saludos,
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
One thing I can not stand even after three years in Mexico is the rich Mexicans.

Sounds like someone is jealous. Can you stand rich Thai people or do you dislike them as well?

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
put her cell phone back in her Louis Vuitton (ewww, that is so nouveau riche and last season).



Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
(Yeah b-tch, turn off that gaudy cell phone of yours, and put it deep inside your equally flashy Louis Vuitton, and you better start walking before I walk on you!)



Meow!

Other than your class warfare comments I found your TR to be very well written and I enjoyed reading it. I've heard many great things about BA and would like to plan a trip there one day.

= Actually, I think the Mexican elite is probably in a class of their own. Monterrey and DF are filled with these "fresas". IMO from having lived in Asia+Latin America, Mexican elite takes the cake  Smile. Tho, I think there is some competition between who is more annoying ... DF's Las Lomas crowd or Montererrey crowd  Smile!

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 9):
It is because of people like that girl that the left has regained power across Latin America, simply because they remind the poor of the huge wealth gap there is.

= Luis, I wish people saw like you. This is spot on and why I have issues with many in our own country who are anti-Chavez and unable to comprehend why situations are they way they are.

-A.

PS - The food looks horrible. Sort of something you give for upset stomach  Smile -
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 20):
= Actually, I think the Mexican elite is probably in a class of their own. Monterrey and DF are filled with these "fresas". IMO from having lived in Asia+Latin America, Mexican elite takes the cake . Tho, I think there is some competition between who is more annoying ... DF's Las Lomas crowd or Montererrey crowd !

JAJAJA!! I can't stop laughing with your argument:

I think there is some competition between who is more annoying... DF's Las Lomas crowd or Montererrey crowd!

I think the more annoying people is the one from Las Lomas!!! They think the whole world is for them...!!! And it GETS WORSE when you go to the offices... I went there to Interjet's head quarters and it was a nightmare at the entrance!!! NOT EVEN Volaris HQ which are at Torre Mayor in Reforma and by far is a more superior airline in terms of $$$ back-up and who's behind!!!

I hate all that people that lives in the perfect Mexico and easily forget or seem to be blind of Mexico's reality. I was once dating a girl from Lomas... by far she has been the worst GF I ever had and at the same time the richest JAJAJA!!!

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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:55 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 21):
JAJAJA!! I can't stop laughing with your argument:

I think there is some competition between who is more annoying... DF's Las Lomas crowd or Montererrey crowd!

I think the more annoying people is the one from Las Lomas!!! They think the whole world is for them...!!! And it GETS WORSE when you go to the offices... I went there to Interjet's head quarters and it was a nightmare at the entrance!!! NOT EVEN Volaris HQ which are at Torre Mayor in Reforma and by far is a more superior airline in terms of $$$ back-up and who's behind!!!

I hate all that people that lives in the perfect Mexico and easily forget or seem to be blind of Mexico's reality. I was once dating a girl from Lomas... by far she has been the worst GF I ever had and at the same time the richest JAJAJA!!!

ghost77 APM

=  Smile - I am glad you got a laugh out of it. When you meet up, I am sure I will surprise you with my Mexican knowledge and slang  Wink -

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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:12 pm

Great report!! GOD I LOVE ARGENTINA!!!
 
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:12 am

Thank you for your comments about Argentina & Buenos Aires.

AR fly from Buenos Aires to MEX 5 times a week with A310 , with a stop in LIM ,and will change to BOG in Feb.I do not know how is doing on that route , but it is not easy to compete with MX with a Non-Stop flight.
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:10 am

The AR flight would be a cool way to go to get on the A310.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:44 am

Splendid report, Mr Thaiboynmexico, it did make me laugh! What exactly WAS that dinner on the outbound flight - it is hard to tell what the main dish was!
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:17 pm

Brilliant report, sure had a great laugh reading it. Your way of talking about annoying people is very entertaining, yet very appropriate Big grin

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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:31 pm

Great report, well written and quite entertaining. It made me remember my own trip to BA... such a great place. Thank you for sharing it.
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:34 am

R -

Sawasdee khrap. Haven't heard from you in a few weeks and great to finally see another of your trip reports posted.

Always enjoyable and light-heared, good pics, etc and makes me want to take you up on your offer and head down the South America way.

Looking forward to reading more soon.

Quoting Gte439u (Reply 8):
Secondly, I've lived in both Mexico and Thailand, and there is a huge difference between some of the rich people in both countries. The Thais are rather discrete, whereas some rich Mexicans take great joy in showing how much money they have or pretend to have.

Hmmm... don't know much about Mexico but I'm living in Bangkok and judging from the crowd at the recently opened Siam Paragon shopping center, I'd say the rich Thais are anything but discreet. Wearing your entire outfit from one designer (and making sure the logo or name shows on every piece) is hardly discreet!

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 18):
Good report but really, do you have to.......

Jafa39 - take it for what it is, tongue-in-cheek humor, not class warfare.
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:23 am

I only have one correction for your fun report. LV isn't last season, it's last decade. Thanks for the humor, I now have a visual of the primadona in 1A! I've seen her type many times. THe rich Mexican version of Clueless en Mexico City!
 
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Thread starter):
I took this picture for all of you. I covered my head with the blanket before I took this because the purser was walking around the cabin. You see how much I am willing to do for my a.net friends?

LOL!!!

I just remembered how you gave it to me for forgeting to bring you a copy of Mexicana's inflight magazine last time I went to GDL! At least I volunteered to wash the dishes after your Mom invited me over for dinner - just so that you don't say that I'm a "Strawberry" too! Big grin

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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:11 pm

Dear Thaiboyn in Mexico,

I find your report interesting in terms of the MX experience on board, but lacking in you experience in BUE. Let me explain.

My mother is from MDZ. From 1973 to 1989 everytime we went to see ALL my maternal family in ARG once a year. We had to fly to EZE and then catch a plane from AEP to MDZ. It was much more convenient to do it via SCL, but since diplomatic relations were severed when the butcher (Pinochet) came to power, we had to fly MEX-EZE-MDZ. Since my Mexican father loved BUE, he always wanted to spent time in BUE. All in all, between the age of 0 and 17, I went to BUE every year.

One of my uncles in BUE is the senior chief in charge of the Teatro Colon scenography. I'm POSITIVE you would have made great friends. But, just to give you an example: You left out many parts of BUE. The Florida Peatonal, El Tigre, the impressive underground metropolis of the Teatro Colon, the Retiro Park, the Recoleta Cemetery (where some of my family is buried) the Boca Barrio, etc. I do hope you visited them, though, even if they are not in the report. Yes, I agree. BUE is the best city in the world to live in. And I hope that at some time in my life I can retire and go and live in MDZ. I'll have BUE to visit in the weekends.

BUE is probably among the top 5 most beautiful cities in the planet. I do differ however, and I would never rate it above Paris. However, the food you can get there, is the best ANYWHERE. Although your Mexican blood will start craving for some flavor and spices after a month of being there. Oh, but the steaks. The same steak will cost you, at least 25 USD in any Morton's in the States when you can get it in BUE for 5 USD. You should have contacted the Argentine A.netters, they would have taken you to an "Asado" and that is a whole new gastronomic orgasm for the meat lover. Quilmes beer, well, sorry, it's like piss-water. In Argentina, you need to forget the beer. Go for the wine. The red one specially. And, particularly, the Malbec.

Now, I have an issue with this Monterrey elite or Mexico City elite concept that occupies so much of your report. First of all, there is no Monterrey elite. There is a San Pedro elite. Because, to Monterrey society, if you do not live in San Pedro-for starters- no matter how much money you have, you cannot be "elite".

Now, a lot of this "elite", is as simple and polite as the most humble person you can find in any city. I take issue with the fact that you are making a big generalization out of this girl, which appears to be a spoiled brat, and a teenager to boot.

You find those everywhere. You would be surprised how many humanitarian projects the San Pedro elite undertake, anonimously. I have personally benefitted from one of those projects.

I visited MDZ via LAN in November 2005, flying in F, no upgrades, paid for my ticket, although I have more than 675,000 miles on my One World account. Timing, was just not right for me to use my miles. I'll post my report later. But, assuming I was part of this "elite" you generalize about, and I am not saying I am, you would never catch me blabbering on in my cellphone or travelling with an LV bag. My carry on, in fact, is a 6 year old JANSPORT backpack. I travel in cotton clothes, and I change into my boxers, when the lights dims in F.

I do resent these generalizations. Most of this "elite" are not the typical Regios you encounter. In fact, most of them are discreet, well-educated people who consider ostentation a vulgar display of insecurity. And I am not saying I am part of that "elite".

I hope you give thought to these comments. I do not know how the '"elite" behaves in Thailand or anywhere else. I know how spoiled brats behave, everywhere.

I happened to meet, and had as my best friend, one of the heirs to the throne of Italy. Talk about money and elitism. His family owned half of Italy as well as the "Santo Sudario" (don't know the name in English) He was my own age. We were the best of friends and he is to this date, one of the most simple, humble, polite and un-selfconscious persons I knew. In fact, he comitted suicide by jumping from a tall building when a "simple" girl in Boston broke up with him.

I'm glad you loved BUE. You should go back. You never try of BUE. Now, try being and elitist, and fly F in LAN, with an LV bag. F/A's will love it and LAN is, well, above MX and AR.
 
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:36 am

AR385,

Good "account" of Buenos Aires, just some minor corrections there:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 33):
The Florida Peatonal

Where you see the people protesting against the Banco de la Ciudad de Buenos Aires, that IS Peatonal Florida. More specifically, that's Florida intersecting Sarmiento Street.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 33):
El Tigre

Tigre is OUTSIDE the Metropolitan area of Buenos Aires, even though its part of the Greater Buenos Aires.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 33):
the Retiro Park

You mean Plaza San Martín o Plaza del Retiro, where you see the big "Torre de los Ingleses"?

Quoting AR385 (Reply 33):
Recoleta Cemetery (where some of my family is buried)

Seems like someone has an aristocratic family.  Wink - Recoleta's neighborhood name comes from the Recoletos. A Catholic congregation. Both Cemetery and church there in the cemetery are originally named Iglesia de los Recoletos and Cementerio de los Recoletos. Now, because it is linked directly to the neighborhood, both names have been changed to (popularly only) Cementerio de la Recoleta and Iglesia de los Recoleta.

One more thing Thaiboynmexico, that AR385 didn't count in is the Congreso Nacional. The most beautiful building ever made. Under the supervision of former president Julio Argentino Roca, this building is truly an icon of this city, as well as "Casa Rosada" and "Cabildo de la Ciudad de Buenos Aires" which I see in a picture above.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 33):
You should have contacted the Argentine A.netters, they would have taken you to an "Asado" and that is a whole new gastronomic orgasm for the meat lover.

Yeah! Why didn't you?  Wink

Quoting AR385 (Reply 33):
Quilmes beer, well, sorry, it's like piss-water

 laughing  I call it Donkey piss. But the best beer here, is Isenbeck. It's really good.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 33):
Go for the wine. The red one specially. And, particularly, the Malbec.

I disagree here. Malbec is common, and the country is not best suited for it. Syrah is our national type, and we have the best Syrah in the world, which can compete SERIOUSLY with Australian Toowoomba wine and Californian Reds.

Still, AR385 I forgive you for flying LAN  Wink HAHA, joking.

Great "sum up" of the city, and I seriously hope that you don't get offended by these corrections.  Smile

Again, we hope to have you both around -- and give us a buzz when you are.

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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:01 pm

MD11junkie,

I appreciate the corrections. It's been a while since I to go to MDZ via the EZE route, maybe 9 years. I do remember another landmark impossible to not visit, however, the BUE Cathedral and San Martin's "addendum" I guess you know the story of how he was a mason, etc. Maybe you can share it with us.

I diferr on the wine. The best Malbec in the world is produced in MDZ. Maybe the Syrah too, but everytime I go, I'm given either Malbec, or Merlot. I hate Merlot. I'll try the Syrah next time. One can always learn new things

I go the LAN way because of that commute between EZE-AEP, vs the quickness of the connection in SCL. Off the 763, on in the A319 in 1 hour. Otherwise, I would keep my loyalty to my roots and go the AR or MX way.

It's an exhilarating flight too. Tha A-319 climbs to 27,000 ft. crosses the marvelous Andes, you see the Aconcagua to the left, and then you are landing in MDZ in 30 mins. You, know, the LAN crew they go to idle halfway across the mountains and then it's idle thrust PLUS spoilers almost all the way to the runway. It's really an amazing flight. In winter, it's really a beautiful sight.

We are like the ruling Monaco family, Aristocratic, yes, on my mother's side, but not the money to go with it. Jose Hernandez is my Great-great-grand father. Then we descend from the Juan Martin de Pueyrredon guy in some way I'm not sure. So, there you go, do you think this two guys ever imagined having descendants in Mexico?

Regards, to you and the other Argentine a.netters

Martin Gonzalez Gonzalez del Solar
 
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:37 am

San Juan Sirah is I think the next star in the Argentine wine boom. I went to San Juan via Barreal (on the new Andes Highway thru Uspallata), one of the most stunning road sceneries ever. No wonder so many people in Argentina and foreigners are seeking to build homes in this area and forget about all the sh!t going on in the world...

Anyways, the Malbec is good, I like it myself to accompany chorizo, morcilla and chinchulines. The Sirah more with pasta to my liking. Also the wines of La Rioja and Rio Negro are beginning to rise up to. Rio Negro whites like Chardonnay, great with a nicely cooked merluza.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 34):
We are like the ruling Monaco family, Aristocratic, yes, on my mother's side, but not the money to go with it. Jose Hernandez is my Great-great-grand father. Then we descend from the Juan Martin de Pueyrredon guy in some way I'm not sure. So, there you go, do you think this two guys ever imagined having descendants in Mexico?

Is it me or does Airliners.net attract more or of these types?? I've read stuff like this from multiple posters here.  Smile
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:06 am

Thank you everyone for your kind comments. Here are some more pictures from my trip to Buenos Aires. The former is the Business Class Cabin of a Mexicana 757 and the latter is, well, self-explanatory.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ryeroamito/1c7d2ad1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ryeroamito/c4753a92.jpg
 
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RE: Don't Cry For Me Argentina: MEX-EZE-MEX (pics)

Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:46 pm

Quoting Derico (Reply 35):
Is it me or does Airliners.net attract more or of these types?? I've read stuff like this from multiple posters here.

Dear Derico, can you please expand on that statement? I don't know if to feel hostile towards you or laugh. Cheers.

Martin

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