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Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:52 pm

MY FIRST FLIGHT WITH CONTINENTAL
MY FIRST TIME ON A 757
MY FIRST TRANSATLANTIC ON A NARROWBODY SINCE 1978



While surfing on some aviation site, I had clicked on a Park2go.com banner, claiming it to be"The Easiest Way to Park at EWR." Well, it was not all that easy to find, and once I got there, it looked like a junkyard. In the end, my car was OK, but I did worry a bit about my poor Civic during my Lisboa weekend.

The smoky Park2go minivan dropped me at terminal C. I had already printed my boarding pass at home. Security was the usual American blend of order and casualness: a elderly Sikh gentleman working for the airport was badmouthing the TSA employees within their hearing. The whole security process took 20 minutes.

02/15/06 - CO64 - Boarding Gate C123 - B757-200 - N33132 - Seat 25C - 100% full
Scheduled 20:15 - Pushback 21:00 - Takeoff 21:15
Scheduled Landing 08:00 - Landing 08:05


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02/20/06 - CO65 - Boarding Gate 22 - B757-200 - N17128 - Seat 19C - 80% full
Scheduled 10:40 - Pushback 10:25 - Takeoff 10:40
Scheduled Landing 13:35 - Landing 13:20


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FIRST REMARK: I have never seen such a difference in fight time between Eastbound (5h 50) and Westbound (7h 40). I guess the flight back was like walking on a moving sidewalk going the wrong way.

I was at the gate early enough to see the plane arrive, from Orlando.

The Lisboa flight boarded between two other simultaneous flights, one to Gatwick (overbooked, looking for 6 volunteers to leave the following day) and one to Shannon. It was never clear which flight each announcement was for, so confusion reigned supreme "Which rows did she say? Trente quatro?" Not surprisingly, once aboard, the crew confirmed again and again this was the Lisbon flight. It would be easy to board the wrong flight in that concourse at that time.

My first look inside a 757 was underwhelming. At night, the cabin is very gloomy until those ugly luggage bins are closed. The knee space was decent, however. The safety announcements were on video, on small drop-down screens, with no live action from the crew. The video itself is very plain with no animation, and it was given once in English and once in Portuguese.

The flight was 100% full. The passengers were at least 3/4 Portuguese or of Portuguese descent, and well behaved. I appreciated the no-free-booze, as I had been bothered by ethylic emanations from my neighbors on my two latest flights (AZ and UA).

The cabin crew was a little glum outbound, but they did their job. No wasted smiles: it was closer to my DL experience than to the UA sense of good cheer. (On the way back, a dynamite purser worked magic and motivated the whole cabin crew to a much higher level. I complimented her at the end.)

The choice of movies on those sorry little screens was so drab and uniformly perimenopausal (In Her Shoes, Ya Ya Sisterhood, Must Love Dogs) that I didn't even unpack my earphones either way. I had a fantastic Portuguese novel: "Cousin Bazilio" by Eça de Queiroz.

Shortly before takeoff, the lights were turned off, and remained off for half an hour. There was no drink cart before dinner, so there was actually no liquid offered until you were almost done with your dinner (Chicken or beef, pretty nice, metal cutlery). After dinner, there was coffee service, in paper cups.

Croissants and fruit salad were served at sunrise, and the landing was lovely. Actually, this was an exceptionally smooth flight, and it felt like we never made a single turn after leaving the NYC area.

At the terminal, we had to take a bus to the gate.



LIS is old fashioned but clean, and security was a breeze. In the airy and more modern lobby, I bought a Lisboa Card, and that included the bus to go downtown. It is a short distance, but the traffic was awful and it was pouring.

Sudden showers did occur during the next four days, but I still was able to enjoy Lisbon, especially the Tile Museum, the Coach Museum, and the Tram #28.   



On the way back, I needed to check in - in person - and I had trouble finding the Continental windows (no line, but I was 2h early).

Security at LIS was standard at first. However, at a secondary check, just before entering the secure boarding lounge for my flight, I was pulled aside and my luggage was checked, I was frisked, and my shoes were deeply inspected. I felt like the choice to double check me had been made earlier, and that this employee was waiting for me. Why? Short trip with no checked in luggage? Sort of mid-Eastern name?

Once in that boarding lounge, there was a large puddle in a corner, under a leak in the glass roof. But at least we didn't have to listen to announcements from competing flights, so boarding was extremely organized.

As I said, the crew was more cheerful Westbound, and a drink service was offered before the lunch.



My neighbor tied his knees together with a scarf, then slept most of the time   

Unlike on the Eastbound flight, there were several drinking water passes, which is fitting since it was a longer and daylight flight. The "Duty Free" cart seems to be a big deal on CO. I always remember it as some sort of quiet formality on other airlines, whereas those CO F/As pushed it and apparently sold a lot of stuff.

The pre-landing snack was a good hot sandwich and a bag of potato chips. Landing was, again, extremely smooth and uneventful.

Finally, immigration is much better organized at EWR than at IAD or ORD.



CONCLUSION: CO gets the job done. There was nothing very remarkable about these flights, but nothing wrong either. Transatlantic IS a long time on a 757, mostly because of the lack of individual entertainment (which is not the 757's fault, I know). A choice of movies, constant access to the map, and the possibility to go to the back and have a soft drink would have broken the monotony.



[Edited 2006-02-25 13:56:41]
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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:48 am

Good report. Nice to know CO is doing well on that route. But I agree, being on a 757 for such a long time without entertainment is certainly not exceptional.
I remember flying LIS-JFK on TWA in the mid 90s and they used 767-200s at that time so that was much nicer. Later they also switched to 757s before they went under... I never tried CO though.
Interesting that there is almost 2 hours difference in flight time between the two flights. I don't remember that being the case back then. Maybe they fly a different route closer to diversion airports with the 757s?
If you take e.g. LHR-JFK the difference is just about one hour.
Lisbon is a great city, one of my favourite cities in Europe. I'd love to go there again soon...
Thanks for posting this.

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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Sun Feb 26, 2006 5:48 am

I agree about the gloomy CO cabins leaving EWR at night. I was also struck how dark and gloomy the EWR terminal is at night. It was a bit depressing. I prefer JFK Terminal 4 which is quite pleasant.
 
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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:02 am

Many times before longer night flights the cabin crew have the lights dimmed for boarding to help you relax and get some rest. That may add to the "gloomy" effect you speak of.
 
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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:12 pm

A 757 trans-Atlantic is very much like the 707's used to be. The 707's in the early years had no IFE at all.  bored  The only IFE was the meal service. So what our fearless flyers experience on a 757 long haul is what millions of passengers experienced in the late 50's-early 60's. Without IFE. But the meal service was a lot better than today!

Do people today still read books or just wait for the inflight movie?  duck 
 
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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:17 pm

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 4):
A 757 trans-Atlantic is very much like the 707's used to be. The 707's in the early years had no IFE at all. The only IFE was the meal service. So what our fearless flyers experience on a 757 long haul is what millions of passengers experienced in the late 50's-early 60's. Without IFE. But the meal service was a lot better than today!

Do people today still read books or just wait for the inflight movie?

I can;t wait to see what the B6 pushers have to sayabout this ...

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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 4):
very much like the 707's used to be

But wasn't the pitch / knee space much more generous in the 707 or DC-8, at least in the early days?
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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting OB1783P (Reply 6):

But wasn't the pitch / knee space much more generous in the 707 or DC-8, at least in the early days?

If you were flying in a 707 in the mid/late 70's, you would be getting the same, if 1 or 2 inches more, on a 707... (not even sure if they had screens?) But basically, one could antiquate himself that this is how they did it in the glory days!!
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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:49 am

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 4):
I had a fantastic Portuguese novel: "Cousin Bazilio" by Eça de Queiroz.

"O Primo Basílio"!!
This is a great book!! It remembers my literature classes in school!  Smile

Very good report, seems that CO can do a good job, even on a narrow-body crossing thru the Atlantic, which might be a pretty unique experience!
What other flights offer these planes to do such a long journey?

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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:41 pm

I'll be flying to stockholm next week on a CO 757 so I found your trip report very helpful on what to expect. Unfortunately the service isnt very good on the 757 simply because they weren't built to be long haul aircraft. In addition my flight is about one hour longer than yours so that should be very fun. I'm still optomistic about flying with CO for there aircraft are nice and clean, and usually there are no nonexpected suprises.
 
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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:54 am

And now US is doing 757 PHL-LIS
 
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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting OB1783P (Thread starter):
My neighbor tied his knees together with a scarf, then slept most of the time

Hahahaha, awww, lol. Sorry, I just thought that was a little different.

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 4):
Do people today still read books or just wait for the inflight movie?

I read on flights sometimes. I can't sleep on planes. Even whenever I got to France (PHL-CDG USAirways Airbus A330-300, won't have it any other way on my first trip, lol), I will not be able to sleep, but I will read some good French novels.

Also, I've always wanted to hear people speak Portuguese. Is there a difference between Brazilian Portuguese and Portuguese Portuguese? or is it like French where it's basically the same everywhere (except for Canada, a little bit, but not as different as the different styles of Spanish or Chinese).

This trip report was very good because it gave useful information, some personal opinions, and it flowed nicely. Thanks for the trip report.

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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting Catholic2006 (Reply 11):
Is there a difference between Brazilian Portuguese and Portuguese Portuguese?

Yes, there is a difference, since the Brazilian portuguese received influence from many other cultures, specially African, from the slaves that came since the beggining of the colonization process until it's end, in the 19th century.
Those who don't know the language and listen to a Brazilian talking with a Portuguese, certainly will think they are two different languages.

But the grammar and the way the words are written are similar.

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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:37 am

Thanks for the reply.

I've always heard that they were different, but no one ever said why or how so.

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Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:44 am

I find it ironic - I work with Portuguese and Brazilian ladies and never thought to listen to the difference in the language. Portugal and Portuguese are two of the reasons I love the Iberian Peninsula. And I love landing at LIS!
 
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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:12 pm

I've piloted this route once a month or so for the past 7 years. It simply doesn't get old. Portugal just has that appealing nature to it. I can't explain it I guess. I'm glad that your flight and the service went well, OB1783P.
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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:07 pm

Great trip report - I find these 757 t/a crossings quite strange but hey!

I noticed in your last picture that the exit sign had 'salida' printed on it aswell. Why is this? Is it because there are alot of spanish speaking people on these flights or something? Sorry if this sounds dumb, its just that I'm from the other side of the world!
 
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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 16):
I noticed in your last picture that the exit sign had 'salida' printed on it aswell. Why is this? Is it because there are alot of spanish speaking people on these flights or something? Sorry if this sounds dumb, its just that I'm from the other side of the world!

No No.. it's not dumb.. Pretty much all American aircraft have spanish on everything... The safety cards, the exit signs, etc,etc.. Our flight decks currently don't have any spanish..  Smile
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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 2):
. I was also struck how dark and gloomy the EWR terminal is at night. It was a bit depressing. I prefer JFK Terminal 4 which is quite pleasant.

The older ones do get pretty dark, but the new international concourse is very well lit at night, and quite pleasant.

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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:19 pm

Quoting OB1783P (Thread starter):
MY FIRST TRANSATLANTIC ON A NARROWBODY SINCE 1978

= What was that last flight?

Quoting OB1783P (Thread starter):
a elderly Sikh gentleman working for the airport was badmouthing the TSA employees within their hearing.

= Classic. The TSA probably thought he was Bin Laden and gave him a hard time.

Quoting OB1783P (Thread starter):
I guess the flight back was like walking on a moving sidewalk going the wrong way.

= AWESOME description.

Quoting Catholic2006 (Reply 11):
Also, I've always wanted to hear people speak Portuguese. Is there a difference between Brazilian Portuguese and Portuguese Portuguese?

= Heaven and hell  Wink ... Brasilian Portuguese sounds soooooooooooo much better. Sorry my Portuguese compadres ... viva Portugal still though  Smile!

Great report. LIS is one of my favorite cities in Europa.

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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:49 am

For me it is not about the IFE at all, but for the cramped feeling for such a long flight. Just too much, food and drink service, duty-free, people standing in line for the loo and so on...
how did you survive it?

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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:13 am

Thanks for the trip report. its very cool and look forward to seing more of them.

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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:55 am

Last May I took CO from LIS to EWR and returned 1 week later with a TP 310. Comparing the two I liked the TP flight much better. more leg room and friendlier service.

Excellent report

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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:36 pm

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 19):
Quoting OB1783P (Thread starter):MY FIRST TRANSATLANTIC ON A NARROWBODY SINCE 1978
= What was that last flight?

In July 1978, I had a cheap ticket on a charter flight from ORY to OAK via Bangor. The airline was supposed to be Balair, but after a bit of a wait, a DC-8 of TransAmerica showed up.


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I don't remember the flight very well. Mostly very long, with no entertainment of any kind, of course. The stopover in Bangor was my first time in the US, and I was so impressed with the pickup trucks here and there. I felt like I was in a Spielberg movie already! (There were no pickup trucks in France...)

Anyway, I'm ashamed to say that I don't know what series the DC-8 was. I had already flown on a DC-8 before, from Le Bourget to Abidjan on UTA.
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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:58 am

Good report, its nice to see someone write balenced opinions on 757s across the atlantic.

Thanks.

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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:04 am

Very nice report! The food looks pretty good!

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RE: Newark To Lisbon On CO, With A Few Pix

Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:15 pm

My cousins are flying this exact route on Tuesday. I had no clue they'd be on a 757! Very interesting.

Nice report, btw.

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