sunking737
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Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Sun May 07, 2006 11:42 pm

Here is my trip report for my trip to MCO. April 25 to May 3rd. First time on Airtran.
Sorry no photos.
Here is what I think about Airtran, not impressed with them. Everything was fine here in MSP, but when we got on the plane, different story. Flight time to ATL 2hr 5 min.
F/A came through the cabin with beverage service once, the first hour. Nothing after that. On flight from ATL to MCO was on a 737-700 1 hr. The plane was late IB from MDW. They turned the plane in 30 min. WOW, a but wait they don't do a turn clean. NONE at all. Not even the lavs get cleaned.

The F/A attendants ask the passengers to help pick up the trash as to save time on the ground. The same thing with our return flight from MCO to MDW, on a 737-700, 2 1/2 hrs and MDW to MSP. A 717. 1 hr.They do not do a turn clean. The only cleaning they get is over night.

I have never seen planes so dirty. The carpets needed to be shampooed real bad, and the dirty finger prints on the over heads, wow. The XM radio system did not work half the time on the 717, but worked on the 737. The 737 has no rear galley only 2 lavs back were galley is on say on a Sun Country 737. The seat backs on the 717 were very worn.

I talked with the crew coming back home and they said that Airtran is looking at getting 737-800 for the longer haul flights. They said that Airtran made a mistake by not getting the aft galley on the -700. Also that Airtarn was making some changes to their in-flight service equipment.

I know some people like Airtran, But we were not impressed with them. Next year we will fly another airline to Florida, Maybe Sun Country again, We looked at Midwest but on the way home we would have had to go through MCI, and MKE too many stops for the family, but for me it was ok.
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Mon May 08, 2006 1:03 am

Quoting Sunking737 (Thread starter):
F/A came through the cabin with beverage service once, the first hour. Nothing after that.

Thats insane, lately all the flights I took on NW MSP-ATL they came around 3 times offering beverages and such.
 
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Mon May 08, 2006 3:55 am

Good report! I was thinking about flying with Air Tran this summer to go from MSP to RDU, but I will reconsider after reading about them. Their prices don't seem that cheap on-line, and the service sounds not great. I also have never seen an Air Tran flight that is empty.


Quoting Sunking737 (Thread starter):
They said that Airtran made a mistake by not getting the aft galley on the -700.

That's amazing! I have never heard of a 737-700 not having an aft galley!
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Mon May 08, 2006 10:38 am

We chose Airtran as they have had a web fare of $105 ow plus taxes. family of 7 was $1,737.00. We looked at AA and they wanted $6,800.00 for the same dates.

As far as the galley goes and as far as I know they are the only ones with no rear galley on their 737-700.
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Sun May 14, 2006 3:07 pm

Quoting 767747 (Reply 2):
Good report! I was thinking about flying with Air Tran this summer to go from MSP to RDU, but I will reconsider after reading about them

The service on NW is better than described above about FL. I wouldn't not hesitate to fly NW non-stop on MSP-RDU. Also, I would not suggest connecting in ATL if you don't have to, whether it be on DL or FL. If you want to fly someone other than NW, take DL through CVG or CO through CLE and you'll have a much better chance of getting there with fewer headaches.
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Mon May 15, 2006 8:44 pm

Ejmmsu, You don't get it...#1 I don't fly NWA as I am supporting the unions, my father was a MX, but retired so he would not have to give up more money.

#2 CO flights are connected to NWA. Most flights. MSP-MCO flight went through Newark was going to take 12 hrs.

#3 AA was $6,800.00, DL was no bargin either.

With so many people blowing their horn on how great FL was we tried them. Next year we will fly YX or SY, who knows maybe WN will be in town.

We almost flew YX but upon returning from MCO we would have had to fly MCO-MCI-MKE-MSP. This is the option that YX web site gave us. My family did not want to fly all day.
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Tue May 16, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 5):
Ejmmsu, You don't get it...#1 I don't fly NWA as I am supporting the unions, my father was a MX, but retired so he would not have to give up more money.

That is all fine and good, but I believe FL is a non-union carrier. Also, the wage bar (low) that carriers like FL have set are the reason carriers like NW have had to cut costs. Unfortunately, the only way airlines like NW could cut costs was by asking for concessions from unions, and aligning their business model more with airlines like FL (who is non-union and outsources a lot of MX). If you don't want to fly NW, that is fine, but remember that FL hasn't done anything to help unions either.
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Tue May 16, 2006 12:58 am

Quoting 767747 (Reply 2):
That's amazing! I have never heard of a 737-700 not having an aft galley!

No hot meals, only snacks. Why blow money on a galley you don't use/need when all the snacks and drinks can be held up front?
 
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Wed May 17, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 5):
You don't get it...#1 I don't fly NWA as I am supporting the unions,

Then your not supporting them, as your not helping those people work.

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 5):
my father was a MX, but retired so he would not have to give up more money.

Your dad's union was stupid enough to call bluff on NW, but NW didnt bluff, and NW at one time offered them a pretty good contract but they rejected it. Everyone else has taken deeper cuts then the MX union.
 
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Wed May 24, 2006 11:50 pm

I happen to like AirTran... For the price I pay, I get excellent service most of the time. There are some crew members who couldn't tell a galley cart from a window exit, but there are the ones like my buddy, and TRAVATL who make that airline a wonderful flying experience.
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Tue May 30, 2006 4:51 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Thats insane, lately all the flights I took on NW MSP-ATL they came around 3 times offering beverages and such.

I just flew DTW-LAX & Return on Northwest last Wednesday. 1 Drink service offered (zero snack), collected the trash, and never saw the FA's again till the flight was over (not counting people 'ringing the bell for service'). Same on LAX-DTW.

However, are you flying first class? Because the OP I believe was flying coach...that could be the reason why.

In regards to Sunking 737's experience...I am somewhat surprised by the dirtyness of the aircraft. I've flown AirTran on 8 flights, and i'm flying AirTran again in 2 weeks (4 flights, FNT-ATL-EWR, LGA-ATL-FNT). Out of all the flights i've flown on AirTran the planes were in nice, clean, and neat condition.

I've flown AirTran's N279AT, N174AT, N267AT and N273AT for their 737-700's and all were in mint, like-new condition. The first 737-700 I flew on AirTran was N267AT on the ATL-LAX sector last year in August, and Ironically flew the same bird back 1 week later. It stayed in the same, mint condition and had that new-car smell of a new plane. The aft bathrooms were in nice, clean condition also.

I'm still surprised you say that these were the dirtiest planes with worn in seats as AirTran has the newest fleet of Boeing aircraft in the United States.

Though from my experiences on Delta, NWA & AirTran all of which i've flown recently, its been 1 beverage service on every flight, even on 4-5 hour flights.

Quoting Sunking737 (Thread starter):
The XM radio system did not work half the time on the 717, but worked on the 737.

Thats true...this is an annoying issue with their XM Satellite Radio. People come to believe (especially when AirTran advertises 'XM Satellite Radio now installed on all aircraft!') that they're going to be able to listen to XM Satellite radio in flight. Out of the 6 flights i flew on AirTran that had XM *installed* at the time, only 2 had working XM Satellite radio.

Theres nothing more disappointing than thinking to yourself 'well i'm getting ready to fly ATL-LAX...I can kill time by listening to XM', then boarding, and, surprise! Its not working. When I flew N273AT LAX-ATL in early March, the front 1/2 and first class had XM Radio but the back 1/2 of the cabin, where I was sitting, was not working.  Yeah sure

Though anyhow...i'd strongly suggest giving AirTran another try; every flight I flew with them was ontime and the aircraft & crew were nice and accomdating. XM Radio still has its issues, though dont let that keep you from flying them; at least they're trying and have something instead of offering no form of entertainment on a flight.

If you can fly SY or YX for a similar price or even a lower price, then i'd recommend them (Especially YX, and even better if you can get on the signature 717's)...SY for the nonstop service. Though if AirTran is the cheapest option out of all of those carriers out there...then i'd at least try them again.
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Wed May 31, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting Warszawa (Reply 10):
However, are you flying first class? Because the OP I believe was flying coach...that could be the reason why.

No I was flying coach, last row of the A319 in fact, they also came around three times on a MSP-LAS flight last April.
 
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Wed May 31, 2006 11:02 pm

Just to clear it up, MSPATL on AirTran is scheduled for two beverage services. The cabin crew may have been new or had a bad lead....
 
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:45 am

Travatl, Thank you for your posting. We took the morning flight out, so the crew was just starting out for the day. The crew we had from MCO to MDW, took us into MSP after changing planes, and were very friendly. They gave me a bad time about my Gators ball cap. Capt was Tenn. Alum.

Warszawa The 717 were dirty. The carpet needed to be shampooed. Both planes I flew on needed to be deep cleaned. You see I am a former airline employee, and I was in commissary.
I spent alot of time getting to know the cleaners, leads and manager. So I have knowledge of what our airline did with our planes. They even cleaned another airline for about 5 months, before they dropped the other airline. They, airline B is a charter out fit and it was too hard to schedule employees from airline A to clean airline B when airline B can't give airline A a flight schedule.

I have many friends how work for different airlines, AA, G4, & Wn to drop a few names, and they all were suprised also. It could have been that the ground handler in MSP is doing a real bad job of cleaning Airtrans RON a/c.
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:48 pm

Ya know, I wonder if the 717 you were on that was so dirty was one of the newest ones. That sounds crazy, BUT, initially they are delivered with this light grey carpet that looks AMAZING for the first two months, but is pretty destroyed by the third. After a year, they are refitted with a dark blue carpet that is stain resistant, but hides a lot.

Also - all 717s are in the process of being refitted with new biz class purple leather seats, new dark lower sidewall panels, and the sidewall vents are being removed and cleaned.

We've recently added a System Director - Aircraft Appearance (it was previously a manager position - one that was tasked with numerous other duties, so obviously that one was often negated).

I'll admit, for having the youngest Boeing fleet, some of them do look "just raggedy" to quote some of my southern brethren, but as of recent, mgmt really is taking some steps to improve it. So give us a try again next year, we honestly are improving all the time.

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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:45 am

First off thank you sunking737 for your support of the MX at NW. It is pretty obvious that burnsie28 is an nw employee or relative of one. Even though I might be biased now against nw as burnsie is not.. That being said I ALWAYS hated flying on the DC-9 atleast on nw's. The f/c seats are appalling as thin as cardboard. If the person behind you reaches in his seatpocket it feels like he is reaching down the back of your pants. Even Mesaba's RJ-85 has much nicer thicker seats. I have flown Airtran and found them not to be too bad. Only flew them once so I dont think that makes me qualified to judge them yet. There are still people who wont fly airtran because they still link them with valujet. You can upgrade pretty cheap on airtran too flew them from RSW to MEM. The only thing I dont like is changing planes in ATL and it seems like their connection times are real long. Mine was 3 hrs. But the time went pretty quick. I have had good and bad flights on nw over the past 20 yrs. But I would NEVER fly them again. As for Burnsie28..Dont talk about things you know nothing about.. I dont know what you do for nw but dont ASSUME anything that was offered by the company was fair or equitable. It was obvious the company had every intention of replacing the MX. No company spends the better part of 2 yrs recruiting replacements not to use them. I know for a fact at the end AMFA gave in to ALL company demands and nw was scrambling and changed all the demands and forced the MX to walk because they had spent so much on replacements they were determined to use them. Just ask the ticket agents that voted their contract in what I am talking about..They voted it in and nw started changing everything the agreement that was voted in. I will change planes 10x in 10 cities before I EVER fly them again.
 
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting Lucky42 (Reply 15):
They voted it in and nw started changing everything the agreement that was voted in. I will change planes 10x in 10 cities before I EVER fly them again.

Well good, because I wouldn't want someone with your attitude flying on the same flight that I was on.

Quoting Lucky42 (Reply 15):
o company spends the better part of 2 yrs recruiting replacements not to use them. I know for a fact at the end AMFA

Is that what AMFA told ya'll, from what I understand when this first came up, the very first contract that NW gave to AMFA, your union "leader" which is a pathetic one, said no, and I heard a lot of people were pretty upset about it. Second, once its agreed upon, it cant just change during voting, so don't try and pull that crap. The one that you should be pointing fingers at and angry at is your union leader, he didnt do his job. Every other union, has given somethign up, but its quite apparent the mechanics were not going to do that. Either way, not having your business isnt going to make or break NW. Look around, with NW's load factors, and even talking to the Elites, they couldn't care, they are still going to fly NW.

Finally, I don't work for NW.

Btw, welcome to the forums!
 
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:39 am

To add to before, for the record, if it was up to me, I would bring the mechanics back to work, I hate Doug Steenland, he's doing the worst job as a CEO. Reminds me of a certain Frank Lorenzo. But if history shows, if NW pulls a CO, they will become a strong airline and will eventually get better, NW is somewhat the same boat CO used to be. Not quite as bad but still. There are a lot of things that I would change at NW, mostly making the employee's happy to be working where they are. Then adding more passenger comforts and stuff. Happy employees usually means happy customers.

But for some of the "mechanics on strike" I just want to tell them, get a job, and help support your family. Unfortunately as the dick that is leading (i use that very loosely) NW is in office, your not coming back. It's a shame, I support Unions, but I still believe that AMFA union leader instead of taking a few furloughs, put everyone out of jobs for good from NW.
 
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting Burnsie28
Well good, because I wouldn't want someone with your attitude flying on the same flight that I was on.

Attitude??? You bet I have one...For good reason too. I stand by my statement that nw did not spend over 100 million dollars and almost 2 yrs recruiting replacement workers and not intend to use them. The long and short of it is that in 2001 AMFA was aggressive in its first contract and nw was kind of over a barrel, we did all maintenance work in house and we got a fair contract in my opinion but the company didnt feel the same way and they were not going to let themselves get in the same position they were at in 2001. If they had put the resources into running the company instead of busting the MX union and lining their own pockets the other work groups might not have had to take it in the shorts as bad as they did. It is easy for all the "A" netters to say you just need to give and save the company...Well I remember very fondly in 1993 when I gave and so did the other groups all with the threat of bankruptcy only to have the execs give THEMSELVES a very nice bonus with the company making record profits over the next 10 yrs and did we the employees share in that huge profit?? HELL NO! In fact a lot of us still have the stock we swapped for the paycuts in 1993 and did the company pay it back to us like they were supposed to?? HELL NO. Now we are unlikely to see any of it now under bankruptcy laws. Will I have a pension?? Probably not. Did I lose anything? Only 20 yrs employment. Would I go back if they settled NEVER. I will never work along side replacements (scabs). You like nw and thats fine, good for you. I still have friends there. But I wont fly them and nw could care less. I work for a great company now. I make a little less than I did at nw but it is a much more stable company and after all the up and downs of this industry over the last 20 yrs stability to me means more than money or anything else.
 
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:24 pm

Plus NWA pre paid their bankruptcy lawyers 6 mos before they filed.
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:28 pm

You know this topic started out about our trip on Airtran, not NW.

I don't care about them. I just wanted to post about OUR TRIP. I know Airtran is a good airline, but I had a bad trip. The same can happen with F9, WN, CO or any others.
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RE: Airtran MSP-ATL-MCO- MDW-MSP

Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:40 pm

No aft galley? I have never hear dof such a thing on a 737.... I bet the lavs are in the galleys with two left and right backward half galleys like CO'S 73-300's.
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