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Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:56 am

"Leisure" LCC vs "Full Service": Condor & SN Brussels


Intro
Shortly after Condor announced its new city shuttle flights from MUC ("Cityfliegen"), a friend and I decided to go on a spotting trip to Brussels. Interestingly, SN Brussels Airlines offered attractive one-way fares as well (66 Euro including tax and charges), so it was clear we would book a mix.


Schedule change
Originally we had planned to leave on a Saturday and return on the next day. However, just as I entered Condor's website in mid-March in order to finalize the booking I suddenly discovered Condor had dropped the Saturday service - just one day before it had still been available! And believe it or not, though they had downgraded to a six-weekly schedule, BRU was still advertised as "daily" on the same website. Not really professional...

We were glad we hadn't booked earlier, otherwise we would have had a serious problem. Anyway, since May 1st was a national holiday, we decided to leave on Sunday (Condor) and come back on Monday (SN Brussels). Sunday fares on Condor were already higher than on weekdays, but 48 Euro including tax and charges was still reasonable. SN's 66 Euro fare was also available on Monday's evening service to MUC.


Sunday, 30. April 2006
Munich (MUC) - Brussels (ZRH)
Condor DE938
09.40-10.55 (09.45-11.02)
Flying time: 00:59 (hrs)

Airbus A320-212
D-AICF (c/n 905), delivered 11/1998
Economy, seat 31A



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Check-in
We were a bit late on that morning so already feared to find a bunch of German "Ballermann-Touris" (tourists flying to Palma de Mallorca), but luckily most counters were empty. Arriving at the desk, a friendly lady immediately asked: "Are you going to Brussels?" It seems we didn't really look like the typical holiday flyers she is used to...
Within a few minutes we had our boarding pass and on special request we were told that 127 passengers had booked that flight -not a bad result for a relatively new service.

Before boarding was started we had some cups of tea and coffee at LH's self-service desks at T2, a service which I truly appreciate. That's where most airlines could learn a lesson from.

Boarding was started on time, though we had to wait for a while in the bus which should carry us to the remote parking position. Most passengers seemed to be tourists, but there were also some business traveller around. Finally, we arrived at the aircraft, D-AICF, and chose the rear entrance.

Though the seats aren't the latest models, with the covers already slightly worn, the "palm design" on the wall looks really nice:



As usual, people tend to sit down in the front or the middle of the cabin, so we had two rows for ourselves.

Both UA flights that day were operated by B763s in new colors:



One of AC's Star Alliance aircraft, C-FMWY:



Only few minutes later, we climbed into the cloudy skies, leaving MUC behind:



Surprisingly, Condor's A320 are equipped with front and down camera, so we could watch the take-off roll as well as the terrain below for a while. Later, they switched to the airshow - yet another surprise.
Cruising altitude was 9144 meters.



The F/As, one female and one male, seemed to be very motivated, smiled all the time and joked with passengers. Condor's "Cityfliegen" includes free drink and snack service - the latter was a ham sandwich. Maybe a bit dry, but definitely not a reason to complain.



Nothing else to report on that flight...approach to BRU:



After a rather regular touchdown the plane was stopped quickly with both reverse thrust and full brakes, it seems someone didn't want to pass a particular taxiway...

Just as we entered the jetway, Hewa Bora's Tristar 500 9Q-CHC rolled down the runway - one really exotic movement. Last look at D-AICF from the terminal:




Spotting at AMS & BRU
We picked up our rental car at Sixt and were surprised that we got a free upgrade to a BMW 118d - all the smaller cars hadn't been available. After check-in at the Golden Tulip close to the airport, we drove up to Amsterdam were we stayed all day. As usual, we had to drive around the airport about 10 times since the approach directions were changed regularly. The next day was reserved for BRU spotting, though the permanent rain wasn't really enjoyable. Traffic was not spectacular, but we got some interesting stuff, e.g. many EAT A300s and B757s as well as the complete fleet of TUI Airlines.


Monday, 01. May 2006
Brussels (ZRH) - Munich (MUC)
SN Brussels Airlines SN2649
19.30-20.55 (19.35-20.42)
Flying time: 00:56 (hrs)

Avro RJ85
OO-DJK (c/n 2271), delivered 12/1995
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Check-in
Two hours prior to departure we checked in and the first impression of SN Brussels was a disappointing one. The lady behind the desk almost didn't say a word, had a facial expression like a stone, didn't smile. She didn't answer our question about a window seat, simply handed our the boarding passes like a robot.
At least she gave me the window...

BRU's pier A is very convenient with a modern, light design, offering great viewing opportunities.



Our aircraft was OO-DJK, and the female captain - while on pre-departure check (next to the engine) - apparently gave a ground worker or junior pilot a tour:



As we entered the cabin I soon noticed the leather seat covers were really worn - and the seats turned out to very narrow. Though SN's Avros are equipped with only five seats per row, seat comfort is not really better than on LH CityLine's Avro (six seats) - which I had flown just two days before. Is the aisle on LH narrower? Or maybe it was the hard, fixed armrests on SN - I don't know.



Seat pitch was disappointing as well - overall seat comfort was much worse than expected. Not to forget, I had the whole row for myself...



Take-off on the Avro was not bad and shortly we climbed away from the low clouds.



The cabin crew was very friendly and motivated and soon started serving drinks and snacks. We got a snack box with "couscous", cheese roll, Mars candy and water, tea and coffee were offered in addition to cold drinks.



Later in the flight, only some 20 minutes to go, I asked whether it would be too late for a red wine - "Oh no!" the female F/A said and brought me a small bottle. Nice.


Conclusion
Though Condor offers LCC-like fares, its service level is clearly above the typical LCCs'. Free drinks and snacks, video screens with front and down cameras and airshow, even miles are included. And DE serves primary airports. Therefore, Condor "Cityfliegen" is highly recommendable.
SN Brussels is a typical "full service airline", though it doesn't offer much more than Condor. Free alcoholic drinks, and additional frequencies - but if I do not necessarily need to depart at a certain time of the day, I wouldn't pay the higher fare. And not to forget, seat "comfort" on the Avro is just poor.


As usual, comments, opinions and questions welcome!


Best Regards,
PlaneHunter

[Edited 2006-06-04 00:58:14]
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Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
As we entered the cabin I soon noticed the leather seat covers were really worn - and the seats turned out to very narrow.

I flew SNBA back in February and I agree - the leather on the seats looked very worn. The legroom was a little narrow too.

Great report!
 
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Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:10 pm

Hello PlaneHunter!

First of all my apologies for the strange e-mail I sent you, I actually had forgotten that you were Udo  Wink That's due to the several changes in your nickname I guess  Wink

When I realized this, I jumped on the train to Brussels on Saturday in the late afternoon (I thought that you had arrived already by then). The funny thing is that I saw a regspotter in the Wingtips restaurant, so I approached him and asked him if he was "Udo". I got a strange look as he didn't speak English. He told me afterwards that he was from France...  Smile

Thank you for your trip report! 128 pax on the DE MUC service is amazing, I wonder how many of those pax were connecting from holiday destinations?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
the first impression of SN Brussels was a disappointing one. The lady behind the desk almost didn't say a word, had a facial expression like a stone, didn't smile.

This is very surprising. I fly SN several times a year, and have never been treated in an unfriendly way by SN staff. By the way: why didn't you use the self-service kiosks? I prefer those as you can select your own seat.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
the seats turned out to very narrow. Though SN's Avros are equipped with only five seats per row, seat comfort is not really better than on LH CityLine's Avro (six seats) - which I had flown just two days before. Is the aisle on LH narrower? Or maybe it was the hard, fixed armrests on SN

The last rows on the Avro of SN offer less legspace and are smaller (due to the aisle becoming narrower at the end of the aircraft). Row 1-10 are much more comfortable.

With the current cheap SN fares, I'll always select them and not the competition!

Regards
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Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:04 pm

Hi PlaneHunter!

Great report with great pictures!

Legroom on SN seems really poor and you are shorter than me. I'll do my best to avoid them although I had no plans to fly them anyway.

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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:24 am

Quoting The777Man (Reply 3):
Legroom on SN seems really poor

I'm 1m93 and I'm as comfortable in an SN ARJ as in any other plane.

The last few rows have 30inch, while the first 10 rows have 32inch.

Regards
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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:31 am

Dear PH,

Good report and very well written. So well written, in fact, that by the time this came:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Conclusion
Though Condor offers LCC-like fares, its service level is clearly above the typical LCCs'. Free drinks and snacks, video screens with front and down cameras and airshow, even miles are included. And DE serves primary airports. Therefore, Condor "Cityfliegen" is highly recommendable.
SN Brussels is a typical "full service airline", though it doesn't offer much more than Condor. Free alcoholic drinks, and additional frequencies - but if I do not necessarily need to depart at a certain time of the day, I wouldn't pay the higher fare. And not to forget, seat "comfort" on the Avro is just poor.

I already knew what you were going to say! And very much agree with your conclusions.

The most annoying things about LCCs in my opinion is having to queue up like cattle to get a good seat on the plane, but with Condor it seems like you don't have to do this, so that is good in my opinion.
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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:26 am

Another great report with nice pictures, thanks for posting, that was a good read on a rather boring Sunday evening.

I have to agree with Frederic, I found the seat pitch on SN pretty good but I think it was because I sat far in the front of the plane where the pitch is 2" better.

Did you get miles for the DE flight? If yes, how much did they credit you?

Patrick
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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:52 am

Hi Planehunter and thanks for this report with all the nice pics. The pic of the SN meal, looks more than alright for a short economy flight. My last and only flight on the SN Avro was in 2001 (when thy were still Sabena/DAT), and I really enjoyed it - even the legspace was good, well at least as far as I remember after five years.. A real pity SN don't fly to STR any more.
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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:31 pm

Thanks for all your comments!

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 2):

When I realized this, I jumped on the train to Brussels on Saturday in the late afternoon (I thought that you had arrived already by then). The funny thing is that I saw a regspotter in the Wingtips restaurant, so I approached him

Oh no, that's too bad. I should have e-mailed again, but I had somehow remembered you said you wouldn't have time. Let's try next time again!

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 2):
128 pax on the DE MUC service is amazing, I wonder how many of those pax were connecting from holiday destinations?

DE doesn't sell connections, so I guess they were mostly O&D pax. The question is how many discount tickets they sold - they had loads of seats for cheap prices.

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 2):
This is very surprising. I fly SN several times a year, and have never been treated in an unfriendly way by SN staff. By the way: why didn't you use the self-service kiosks?

Well, I guess it was just bad luck. I don't know why we didn't use the machines - we entered the terminal and chose the next best counter.

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 2):
The last rows on the Avro of SN offer less legspace and are smaller (due to the aisle becoming narrower at the end of the aircraft). Row 1-10 are much more comfortable.

Alright - but it still doesn't explain why LH's configuration with six seats (also in the last rows) didn't seem to be worse.

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 5):
The most annoying things about LCCs in my opinion is having to queue up like cattle to get a good seat on the plane

Very true!

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 6):
Did you get miles for the DE flight? If yes, how much did they credit you?

Interestingly, no miles on the account yet. Though, that's what their website says:

http://www9.condor.com/tcf-de/miles_...FB2E18FF0C1806903D12C66B.as9worker

It says they credit 750 miles for "Cityfliegen"-return trips - but no info about one-way...

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 7):
The pic of the SN meal, looks more than alright for a short economy flight.

Yes, food and drink service on SN's short hops is excellent. Other carries should have a look...


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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:13 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
I should have e-mailed again, but I had somehow remembered you said you wouldn't have time

That's correct (and that's why I went on Saturday afternoon/evening when I realized that you were PlaneHunter).

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
DE doesn't sell connections, so I guess they were mostly O&D pax.

They offer a lot of interline connections on Lufthansa. I'm considering taking a BRU-MUC-FRA with Condor / LH (available for about 100 EUR one-way) and returning with SN to BRU on the next day. The only problem is that I don't really know where to spot from now that the visitors terrace has been closed.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
it still doesn't explain why LH's configuration with six seats (also in the last rows) didn't seem to be worse

An explanation might be that SN opted for a wider aisle.

Regards
Frederic
 
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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:17 pm

Nice report, Mr. Planehunter.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
we had some cups of tea and coffee at LH's self-service desks at T2

Is this standard at all German airports where LH fly?
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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:55 pm

Hi PH,

great report - good to see that you seem to have enjoyed the trip.  Smile

... and by the way: nice mealpics! Big grin

DE seems like quite a good alternative, but I think they're not offering too many Cityfliegen-Connections from FRA, so I guess I'll be "stuck" on other airlines... then again, with the choice I have from here, that's not really much of a problem.

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 9):
The only problem is that I don't really know where to spot from now that the visitors terrace has been closed.

Don't worry - there are two really good points, one at "Startbahn West" and one at the A5; the A5 can be reached by walking, but I'd not recommend that with the "Startbahn West" point... and, I think, having a ladder is beneficial for the latter. Both points can also easily be reached by car, if you're thinking of renting one... fell free to eMail me if you need some more infos.

Quoting Door5Right (Reply 10):
Is this standard at all German airports where LH fly?

Unfortunately, no - haven't seen that here in Frankfurt for quite a while: they still have the machines set up, but they're not switched on.  Sad


Once again, PlaneHunter, thanks for a good read!

Regards,
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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:55 am

Thanks again for all comments!

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 9):
The only problem is that I don't really know where to spot from now that the visitors terrace has been closed.

Additional to what Frank said, there's still the McDonald's at Terminal 2, though views are limited. Hopefully they re-open the terrace at T2 again.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 11):
Unfortunately, no - haven't seen that here in Frankfurt for quite a while: they still have the machines set up, but they're not switched on.

Would be interesting to know where the machines are still available and operational.


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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
It says they credit 750 miles for "Cityfliegen"-return trips - but no info about one-way...

I am curious if you get 375 miles for the oneway flight. It would make more sense when DE would credit the miles per oneway flight and not per return flight since it is possible to book oneway flights. You should call the Miles&Less service hotline when the miles don't appear on your account after a few weeks.

Please keep us updated about this.

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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:45 am

The reason why Condor credit the miles per return flight is probably still because many of the stations abroad don't use Condor's (Lufthansa's) check-in system, some stations even do manual check-in, which makes crediting the miles at check-in not impossible but at least difficult. As far as I can remember it has always been like that, you show your card at check-in in Germany and get "double miles" but don't get miles for the return to Germany. Sure you can book a one-way as well, but the whole handling is certainly easier the way it is, I suppose.
 
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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:08 am

Hi PlaneHunter,

thanks for this highly interesting report and the great pics.

I also like Condor a lot. Obviously they are doing quite well on MUC-BRU. I hadn't thought this with all the competition from SN and LH who offer much more flights per day. However, food offer looks a bit better on SN than on DE.

About the miles, I guess Ndebele is right: I also had a one-way flight on DE STR-SNN some years ago and got the whole miles for a return booking credited on departure in Germany. So you will probably get the 750 miles. But other than if you fly LH mainline, it can take some days until you see the miles on your account when flying DE.

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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 14):
The reason why Condor credit the miles per return flight is probably still because many of the stations abroad don't use Condor's (Lufthansa's) check-in system, some stations even do manual check-in, which makes crediting the miles at check-in not impossible but at least difficult. As far as I can remember it has always been like that, you show your card at check-in in Germany and get "double miles" but don't get miles for the return to Germany. Sure you can book a one-way as well, but the whole handling is certainly easier the way it is, I suppose.

Ah, that makes sense, thanks for the info!

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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:57 am

Thanks again for all new comments!

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 13):
. You should call the Miles&Less service hotline when the miles don't appear on your account after a few weeks.

Please keep us updated about this.

Yes, I'll have an eye on that.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 15):
So you will probably get the 750 miles. But other than if you fly LH mainline, it can take some days until you see the miles on your account when flying DE.

Ok, let's see what happens. More than four weeks have already passed.


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Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 17):
More than four weeks have already passed.

The flights are over a month ago and you don't have the miles yet? You should definitely give them a call. If this is the normal waiting time, then I would call it very poor customer service.

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Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:06 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
we were told that 127 passengers had booked that flight -not a bad result for a relatively new service.

Wow excellent! The other day I was actually wondering how well they did and that is already a good sign!

Not the usual LCC indeed! Can't wait to try them out now! Munich being such a fantastic city, I will definitely try to go again! But instead of doing like you I might take the train back! Does anyone know how much a one way ticket from Munich to Brussels would cost?


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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:08 am

Hi, Udo,
great report, a good read and interesting pix as well.
The new DE MUC-BRU service is also in my log at the end of July, but I think it will not work. I mentioned today that LH cancelled my STR-MUC flight and rebooked me without a further information on the later one, to late for the DE connection. I called LH today, but was not really succesful, so I think about what to do now with this DE flight.
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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:29 am

Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 19):
Does anyone know how much a one way ticket from Munich to Brussels would cost?

Fares for oneway flights start at 6 EUR excl. tax and surcharges which is 29 EUR incl. tax and surcharges, check the Condor website.

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Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:49 pm

And again thanks for all new comments!

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 18):
If this is the normal waiting time, then I would call it very poor customer service.

Indeed, I will try to find out what's going on.

Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 19):
But instead of doing like you I might take the train back! Does anyone know how much a one way ticket from Munich to Brussels would cost?

As Patrick said, fares start at 29 Euro (incl. tax & charges). You may find these offers on weekdays mostly.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 20):
I mentioned today that LH cancelled my STR-MUC flight and rebooked me without a further information on the later one, to late for the DE connection. I called LH today, but was not really succesful, so I think about what to do now with this DE flight.

That's really too bad. Have you found a solution yet?


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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:07 am

Hi, Udo,
a new day, a new try.
While the first lady was more from the rude side, LH offered me another flight withhin aceptable time difference she can´t do anything else for me.
The second attempt was a real friendly one, as there is simply no possible flight connection early sunday morning she cancelled my booking without a further question, now I will wait for the money transfer back.
Connection by train starts at 04.38 am at STR main station, not the real thing for me.
I cancelled the DE flight also, payed 29.-- EUROS, return 14.-- EUROS.
Now I will stress my FlyingBlue account and go STR-CDG on AF and CDG-AMS on KL for 10000 miles.
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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:28 am

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 23):
Now I will stress my FlyingBlue account and go STR-CDG on AF and CDG-AMS on KL for 10000 miles.

Wow, that's not bad, two flights for just 10.000 miles is a good price/performance ratio in my opinion.

Patrick
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:57 am

Hi, Patrick,
yeah, thats it, the STR-AMS nonstop on KL was also possible, but the A.netter searched for the "better" opinion.
Another positive thing, the two flights will count to my status level, it might be a jump will be possible this year.
BTW, the LH Miles and More fare one way STR-FRA-AMS = 22.500 miles.
So I´am awaiting two more flights on AF/KL.
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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21):
Fares for oneway flights start at 6 EUR excl. tax and surcharges which is 29 EUR incl. tax and surcharges, check the Condor website.

Patrick



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
As Patrick said, fares start at 29 Euro (incl. tax & charges). You may find these offers on weekdays mostly.



Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 19):
But instead of doing like you I might take the train back! Does anyone know how much a one way ticket from Munich to Brussels would cost?

Hi Patrick, Hi Planehunter,


Sorry for the confusion what I am actually planning to do soon is as following:

BRU-MUN by plane (at the fare both of you mentioned!)
MUN-BRU by train (at the cheapest fare possible!)

So my question was actually about the train ride: what is the cheapest fare around for a one way train ticket from Munich to Brussels?

When you love transport u gotto love both.  Wink
 
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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:39 am

Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 26):
So my question was actually about the train ride: what is the cheapest fare around for a one way train ticket from Munich to Brussels?

Ah, ok, no problem... check http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en for more info (sorry, I am not really up to date with Bahn ticket fares so I think that the link will give you better info than me  Wink).

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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:59 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 27):
Bahn ticket fares

Well f*** me they are expensive. having enquired both on the phone and over internet it seems that you can't get a ticket below 110€!

Air travel used to be very expensive compared to train travel, now it is the other way round!  Sad
 
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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 28):
Well f*** me they are expensive. having enquired both on the phone and over internet it seems that you can't get a ticket below 110€!

Welcome to Deutsche Bahn. They are very expensive in my opinion, flying is sometimes indeed cheaper than riding on the train.

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RE: Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels

Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:21 am

Thanks for your trip report! Much appreciated! I found 33 EUR fare BRU-MUC-BRU (all taxes included!) thanks to you and I'm going to visit Munich for the first time!

Any ideas what to do and see there?

Flying there on the 14th ( 3 EUR plus tax°, returning 16th ( another rip off 3 EUR plus tax!)  Wink

And I must say, Condor's website second line box for passenger mentions Ms. And since we're three guys, I didn't notice it, but afer calling them, the service and the girl who helped me was SO professional, I couldn' t believe my ears!!!! Lufthansa should learn from their subsidiary!

I mean I called LH office in Brussels las week and they told me a customer can take 32kgs of luggage to Moscow! I called again and they said, oh sorry, we have trainees around her, of course it's 20 in economy. Geez.

GO CONDOR!

Thanks,
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