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Did AA Persuade A Skyteam Elite To Switch? (Pics/Vid)

Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:17 am

During the first week of March this year I voluntarily took a bump from a Los Angeles – Orlando flight and ended up with a $400 American Airlines voucher. Because AA is not my primary airline, I had no idea when I was going to use it. However, when I found myself in Connecticut during the first week of June, I decided this would be the perfect chance to utilize the voucher. I found a one way First Class fare for just over $300 from New York JFK to Orlando via Miami on a 767-200. Here was the chance for me to fly a three class AFS configuration 767 and check the seats out. As all my elite AA friends rave about the product offered on AFS, I figured I could get a glimpse of the product.



American Airlines 1373
New York/JFK – Miami
Boeing 767-223/ER (N338AA)
Seat: 3J
Scheduled Departure Time: 7:43
Actual Departure Time: 7:55
Scheduled Arrival Time: 10:40
Actual Arrival Time: 10:42

Check In: Arriving well ahead of time, the yellow New York City cab dropped me off in front of the brand new terminal 9. From the outside it looked clean, crisp and shining. Once I entered the building I could not help but notice how spacious and clean the terminal was, I swore for a second I was almost transported back to Hong Kong. Two thumbs up here, AA! I proceeded to one of the empty e-kiosks and had my boarding passes in no time.
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I walked slowly towards security and was in the First Class/Elite line shortly. The line was rather slowly moving, especially with multiple cabin crew members cutting those already in line. Once I was done with security, I took a few shots of the new terminal walkway as the terminal impressed me more and more.
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Once at the gate I sat down and snapped a few more pictures until boarding was announced.
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Boarding: At exactly 7:15 pre-boarding was announced for First Class passengers and I proceeded towards the jetway. For the first time on any AA aircraft I was greeted at the door by a male F/A with a large smile and a “welcome onboard sir.” At that moment I knew I was going to have a good flight. I stowed my bags and had barely made myself comfortable when the male F/A approached me with a “Good morning sir, would you care for some water or orange juice before take off?” A minute later he returned with a glass of orange juice which he placed on my armrest.
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Boarding continued with plenty of passengers walking past us folks up front with some rather nasty glares. Soon enough, the passenger flow trickled down and the captain came on to welcome up onboard. “Folks, just to let you know, we have a small mechanical issue which I do not believe will take us too long to fix. It is nothing that will impede us from flying but it does need to be looked at and signed off by our mechanics, so once that has been completed, we shall be on our way to sunny Miami.”
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The male F/A approached me just shortly after the captain was done with his PA address.
“Sir, would you be joining us for breakfast today? Today the choices are an omelet or cereal.”
“I’ll have the omelet please.”
“Sure and what would you like to drink after take off?”
“Cranapple please.”
“Certainly.”
A few moments later the doors were closed and we began our pushback with the safety demo playing.
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We were airborne after a short taxi, however the seatbelt sign was kept on until about 30 minutes after takeoff due to a few bumps. The smell emanating from the galley was rather scrumptious and it turned out to be the biscuits baking in oven. First thing is first, a warm moist towelete was handed to each of us. I got say, good try AA, but it looks extremely tacky, please bring back a proper towel.
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My glass of Cranapple was placed on my armrest shortly after takeoff by the male F/A with another large smile.
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Eye on American started playing on the screen and I pulled out my noise reducing headphones to see what was playing this month. I was mortified to learn it was the same sitcoms as last month. Does American not believe in changing their entertainment every month?

The meal tray arrived a few minutes later with my hot dish already placed on. The female F/A approached me with a basket of biscuits and cinnamon bagels. I selected the biscuit which was placed in my bread plate. I was then asked which condiment I would like to go with it and the choices were butter, strawberry jam, or cream cheese.
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I have to ask here, both Northwest and Continental use metal cutlery, so is there any reason American has forgone this? While cutting an omelet certainly is not a problem with plastic, I am thinking of the infamous “short rib” all my AA friends continuously get during their evening flights. The fruit bowl consisted of a thin slice of mango with three squares of watermelon along with two pieces of winter melon. The omelet was wedged between some home style potatoes that were layered with gooey liquid and were on the luke-warm side. The omelet was supposedly stuffed with some kind of cheese and an unidentifiable substance, I am going to go with bacon bits, but I have no real idea. If anyone knows exactly what it is, please let me know.
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The tray was eventually collected and the male F/A asked if I would like a re-fill on my glass of Cranapple which was delivered to me quickly. The flight passed by relatively quickly as I listened to some music and sporadically watched bits and pieces of “Eye on American.”
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As we started our descent, connecting gate information was relayed over the PA and my flight was to leave from none other than D51, the same gate I had used to fly to Orlando, less than a month ago.
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Arrival & Transit: Final checks were carried out by our cabin crew and before I knew it, we were on final approach to Miami. I wish I could say this was something exotic for me, but this was my third time flying through Miami in the last four months and sadly, the novelty and excitement had worn off.
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As I was disembarking, I thanked the crew and received a wink from one of the flight attendants. Once in the terminal I walked around a bit but having been here so often recently there was nothing left for me to discover, so I just proceeded to the empty area of seats opposite gate D51 till boarding was announced.
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American Airlines 2126
Miami – Orlando
Boeing 757-223 (N181AN)
Seat: 5F
Scheduled Departure Time: 12:26
Actual Departure Time: 12:45
Scheduled Arrival Time: 13:25
Actual Arrival Time: 13:45

Boarding: As usual, pre-boarding was announced for First Class and I proceeded towards the agent. Annoyingly, there were a number of people who were not flying coach who tried to get onboard despite the best efforts by the agents, they ended up just blocking all of us in line. A few loud “excuse me’s” by the business travelers in suits next to me and we were on the jetway. Once onboard the aircraft I said “hello” to the flight which was completely ignored as she seemed more interested in her shoes than anything else. Once all the First Class passengers were seated, a male F/A came around with a tray of water and orange juice.
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The captain came on once everyone had boarded announcing a tiny mechanical issue that would not take too long to fix. Within no time a mechanic rushed down the jetway into the cockpit and stomped out a minute later. “Folks we are all set for departure.” The standard safety video followed as we were pushed back from the gate.
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The Flight: Once we were airborne, service commenced in First Class with a drink of your choice. Halfway through the service the captain came on and announced we may be experiencing some light chop. Hence after row 3, all drinks were served in plastic cups.
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Once the crew was done serving us, they all went and sat down without collecting the empty plastic cups.
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Arrival: Touchdown was nothing spectacular today unlike the last time I flew in from Miami where we landed so hard, we must have taken a chunk of cement off the runway.

Taxi to the gate was quick and easy like it normally is at Orlando. I was off the jetway no more than a minute after docking at the gate. Having no checked bags, I proceeded on out and headed towards Daytona Beach.

American Airlines 1373
Check In: 10 (Easy and quick with a lot of machines available)
Boarding: 10 (First Class boarding done first)
Seat: 8 (Very comfortable and nice, but lacking a reasonable recline)
Aircraft: 9 (Clean and nice, well kept for its age)
Food: 7 (Nice of them to serve something hot but I do get more on other airlines on similar length routes)
Service: 8 (For a change I had some nice AA crew, they were attentive and had smiles to boot)
Entertainment: 8 (Good but CO can manage movie on shorter runs, so AA could definitely try too)

American Airlines 2126
Boarding: 10 (First Class done before everyone else which makes life easy)
Seat: 5 (Average First seat, rather rigid but perfectly fine for a 30 min flight)
Aircraft: 7 (Ageing well but could look a little better)
Food: 6 (3rd try and I finally got a drink on a MIA-MCO flight, but in Asia….)
Service: 6 (No smiles from the female F/A but the male F/A was in a better mood)
Entertainment: 5 (I had music at least)
Arrival: 8 (2L was used and coach was not held back till F had been cleared causing a bit of a jam at the door)

American Airlines: 107/140=.764
American scored a 76% for this trip which is a rather good score for a domestic flight


Verdict: After completing seven coach and two First Class flights with American within the last four months, I have come to one conclusion. If you have to fly American Airlines, you better make sure you are in First Class, but even that comes with certain clauses. If I had to compare American to my regular carriers NW and CO, there is no doubt that Skyteam is the way to go for me. NW serves a better quality breakfast with more items on the tray and Continental certainly has cabin crew that are far superior to anything I have experienced on AA. While I have not flown enough First Class on AA to make a distinction, AA certainly lacks good cabin crew in coach. However, the biggest reason I would select NW/CO over AA is their respective Elite benefits. Skyteam has a better network with more choices when it comes to domestic travel within the United States and offers complimentary upgrades to their Elites, something AA only offers to their Executive Platinum members.

American Airlines certainly is a decent carrier, but I for one get more value for money with Skyteam especially if I am flying coach. Will I be changing my allegiance over to AA from NW/CO anytime soon? Not a chance!

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Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:31 am

Great report and good quality pictures! Wow, the new terminal at JFK looks impressive! I flew through there a few weeks ago, but flew NW out of Terminal 4. Glad to hear you had a nice flight on the JFK-MIA flight. I've flown AA in First from JFK-Vancouver back in '99, and got an amazing breakfast. The seats on the 767 to MIA look new, are they? I didn't know they were gray, I thought they were blue like the rest of the seats.
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:17 am

Nice trip report SR103...
I always get excited when I read your reports (mainly because I am a Skyteam elite also) but it was nice to hear your prospective on another carrier.
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:36 am

Excellent report. I'm AAdvantage Platinum on American - they're pretty much all I fly anymore, unless I'm overseas - but I agree with most of your criticism and praise of their product.

Great to finally see some pictures of the new terminal at JFK! It's been open for months and interior shots have been few and far between. I just flew through EWR in F with American... looks like I need to get out to JFK and check out the new facility. In your pictures, I could see that the second phase of construction is well underway. Once that's done they'll move the international flights out of the horrible Terminal 8 complex.

Quoting SR 103 (Thread starter):
The omelet was supposedly stuffed with some kind of cheese and an unidentifiable substance, I am going to go with bacon bits, but I have no real idea.

I "experienced" the omelet on a DFW-OAK flight in F back in March. It's interesting, to say the least - although mine didn't even have the bacon substance, just solid eggs. The potatoes were great, though - at least I thought so.

By the way, great photos, especially the aerial shots of MCO. That place has grown so much since the last time I was there, in 1991. I need to get back.

I've got a few overdue reports to write - reading good ones like yours makes me want to get off my butt and write them!
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:27 am

Excellent report as well. The pictures were very nice as well.

I agree with you about AA being domestic, their elite system isn't very good, and I seemed to get more out of flying Skyteam and the choices are bigger too.

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Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:52 am

Great report. I can appreciate the cranberry juice pics as that is always my first choice on AA.
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:55 am

Excellent report.. I love trip reports with many many pictures...

Thanks for sharing with us!!!
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:03 am

Ahh...the landing looks better then the one we had on the A300 in May.

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Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:29 am

I was very glad to see your pics of the new AA terminal at JFK. I have not flown out of it yet, and your pics make me want to try it.
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:44 am

Very nice report, I really liked the pictures of the JFK terminal and all the 762s.

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Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:24 pm

Great Trip Report! Excellent pictures! you should try uploading some!

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Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:34 pm

Very nice report. I do agree with you, skyteam is the way to go.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:31 am

Well done as always Anosh, well edited too, someone really does a good job cleaning up your papers...who is that masked man I wonder? Too bad I couldn't take you to the Admirals Club again like I did way back in 2004, you'd probably like the T9 one better than you did the T8 one, even if I can't tell you as many personal stories about T9  Wink
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:27 am

Glad to finally see AA's first class product on the 767-200s. Always been curious to see what it looks like; quite vintage. I noticed that the business class seats looked quite new.
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Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:08 pm

Nice tripreport. Yeah too bad some carriers hand out plastic knifes for premium passengers, has to be a safety issue.
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Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:38 am

Anosh - that was a great report. Finally we've got an account of AA F on the 762 on airliners.net. I had been looking for something like this for a while.

Couple of comments.

If the choice was between cereal and an omelet, does that mean that they didn't offer something with meat in it for breakfast? If so thats a bit subpar for First Class...

Otherwise it seems like the intangible components of your flight were pretty good, like the service.

Did you get noise cancelling headphones and the DVD player at all? Was the movie screen in front of the middle seat? If so did it impede the comfort of the guy sitting in the seat?

Thanks again for the report and the photos.
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Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:54 am

Excellent report! I've only flown AA once IAH-DFW-JAC R/T and that was back a few years ago, so I don't quite remember the quality of service because I was only in the 5th grade. I believe everyone was quite friendly, but we were in coach.
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Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:55 pm

Thanks for all the comments. Glad you guys enjoyed the report and pictures

Quoting 767747 (Reply 1):
I flew through there a few weeks ago, but flew NW out of Terminal 4.

I have flown NW and KL out of T4 and I certainly like the new terminal, but definitely think AA's are going to have the edge when they are completed.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 1):
The seats on the 767 to MIA look new, are they? I didn't know they were gray, I thought they were blue like the rest of the seats.

I honestly have no idea how new these seats are but I believe they were refitted around 2000. Maybe someone with more info on AA like CMK10 could help you out with that question.

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 3):
but I agree with most of your criticism and praise of their product.

I actually thought I was being harsh on AA but if an AA Elite such as yourself agrees with me, I must be on the right track.

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 3):
I've got a few overdue reports to write - reading good ones like yours makes me want to get off my butt and write them!

I can't wait to read them! I only have a NW trip to Arizona coming up this month. I don't know if it is even worth writing up.

Quoting MountainRidge (Reply 7):
Ahh...the landing looks better then the one we had on the A300 in May.

LOL. I don't think anyone can top that one. I am glad you were in the seat next to me as I am sure we are going to talk about it for years to come.

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 10):
Excellent pictures! you should try uploading some!

Thanks for the compliment. Can you suggest which ones I should try to upload?

Quoting Cmk10 (Reply 12):
who is that masked man I wonder?

I think he shall remained masked. I am not sure he wants me to reveal who he is, however he knows his name.

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 15):
If the choice was between cereal and an omelet, does that mean that they didn't offer something with meat in it for breakfast? If so thats a bit subpar for First Class...

No meat is right. I really did not think about it that way till now, but you are right, there was none on the entire tray. I should probably downgrade that meal rating.... oh well

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 15):
Did you get noise cancelling headphones and the DVD player at all? Was the movie screen in front of the middle seat? If so did it impede the comfort of the guy sitting in the seat?

No noise canceling headsets or DVD players. I believe those are just reserved for JFK-LAX/SFO. As far as comfort goes, I do not think the guy even noticed as he was sleeping most of the time. Though you should keep in mind that single middle seat has something like 90 inches of legroom, so I doubt anyone has any issues with it.

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RE: Did AA Persuade A Skyteam Elite To Switch? (Pics/Vid)

Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:34 pm

Exellent report and thanks for the pics, JFK AA terminal looks very very well done. Paper towels as a warm moist towel in first class....come on AA.
I also find it interesting that on your MIA-MCO trip they had plastic cups during the flight, CO would never allow for that. Found other things that made me happy to remain with CO for sure rather than the neighbors who are based up north of us.
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RE: Did AA Persuade A Skyteam Elite To Switch? (Pics/Vid)

Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:36 am

Great report / Great pics. I have to say that, that is one of the crappiest first class that I have ever seen.. wow, now I understand many of the comments I have read in this forum..
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RE: Did AA Persuade A Skyteam Elite To Switch? (Pics/Vid)

Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:47 am

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 17):
Quoting 767747 (Reply 1):
The seats on the 767 to MIA look new, are they? I didn't know they were gray, I thought they were blue like the rest of the seats.

I honestly have no idea how new these seats are but I believe they were refitted around 2000. Maybe someone with more info on AA like CMK10 could help you out with that question.

Ah yes I can answer this, sorry it's taken so long. Back in the late 90's, American chose to overhaul their 762 fleet as they were doing LHR runs as a stopgap with the A300 before the 777s came. Therefore, on numerous ER aircraft, the brown seats were covered with a blue cover, similar to the Business Class seats. When the 762 fleet was scaled down, these aircraft were retired the the brown seats remained, at first with sheap skin padding which was replaced in 2004 when it became old and rather discusting. To also note, Anosh is correct as in 2000, these aircraft had their Y and J cabins retrofitted so they could effectively service transcons for years to come.
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RE: Did AA Persuade A Skyteam Elite To Switch? (Pics/Vid)

Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:55 am

And I still can't believe you got a video of that AB6 landing Anosh  Wink.
Again, nice report. Now I need you to fly internationally again!!
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