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CX:A Bit Dissapointed BOM-BKK-BOM 773[56K Pics]

Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:51 pm

This is the second of my three pending trip reports.
The first one being

SQ Adventure BOM-SIN-HKG-BOM[64 56k Friendly Pics] (by Karan69 Jul 13 2006 in Trip Reports)

and the third one being in GF Air F and J class routing BOM-BAH-LHR-BAH-AUH-BAH-MNL-BAH-BOM with around 150 photos which will take sometime as i am putting the photos in a user friendly format.

Anyways back to the report.

Background Information

The idea of this trip came up the day me and my father went to the travel agent to make the payment of my SIN-HKG trip [trip report link above], it was over there that the TA informed us that CX had just come up with an offer of INR 8888 plus taxes to BKK and back, Dad had always wanted to revisit the place after our trip back on KE in 1997 and after a few discussions regarding cancellations, dates etc.. he told the travel agent to go ahead and make the booking for 27th to 31st Dec.
The per ticket cost came up to be INR 10,750 [235 USD approx] all inclusive, about 130 USD less than the normal lower fare brackets.

I was excited to say the least two trips with 777s and 747s in the space of 20 days, and two world class carriers in SQ and CX, moreover it would be the first time i was ever going to fly and experience the much heard about service of CX that too on a 777-300 and for a price of 235 USD. i just could'nt thank my parents enough for these trips.

27th Dec, 2005

The flight was scheduled in the early morning hours of 0500am so that meant a very tiring night ahead of us, because of the weird timings.

We reached the airport at around 0145am, well in time for the flight, after clearing security and getting ourselves checked in for the fully loaded flight, we headed towards the immigration counters, which due to peak hours took us 45 mins to clear.

After immigration we headed down to the holding area past the Oberoi Clipper lounge which is used by 70% of the airlines that come into BOM, as we walked passed it, I remembered that me and my father were Gold card holders of Diners Card, which would grant us lounge access.

So we went in the lounge and the lounge attendant had an argument with my father as he said that only me and my father were card holders and that my mother would not be allowed, my dad said that she could since 2 out of 3 family members held gold status, and after much hard talk the lounge attendant gave in and the three of us walked inside to relax in the lounge.

The food collection is never great at the lounge, and mainly consists of snacks, although it does have an impressive array of drinks.

I took a soda and some eatables and enjoyed myself at the same time wondering, this is life:: a 10,000 INR ticket, A CX 777-300 for a 4 hours journey, and Lounge Access aint life good.

The few eatables at the lounge, samosa, Veg Sandwich,Pineapple Juice


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Aircraft models on display, possibly of those airlines that use the lounge


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Soon the boarding call was made and we headed to our departure gate, where the security line was pretty long.

After about 10 mins in the security line we were on the Aerobridge walking towards the aircraft.

CX 754, AA 6602
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Registration:B-HNK
Departure Airport:Chatrapati Shivaji International[BOM],terminal 2B
SDT:0500am
ADT:0507am
Airborn:0521am
Arrival Airport:Don Muang International [BKK]
SAT:1030am
AAT:1035am
SEAT:45K


I settled in my seat and realized the massive length and size of the aircraft and although I had been on the SQ 777-300, I had not noticed the size of the massive GE engines.

The CX cabin looked a bit dull and worn out as it was too green for my liking and worn out because I think CX really utilize their 773s efficiently on their High Density routes and especially since this aircraft was coming full of Indians and Middle easterns from DXB.

An EK 777-300ER was parked right next to us and was getting ready for its flight to DXB, those pax must be really fortunate to get a welcome change from the regular 332 that piles the route on some occasions 3 times a day.

But one question why a 77W and not 773A , maybe crew training???

EK 77W parked right next to us


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Time went by as everyone began seating themselves on this fully loaded 777, and I could see the EK 77W leave its boarding gate and head towards the runway, its place was replaced by a KU 772.

A KU 772 replacing the EK 77W as we patiently await pushback


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Two mins after the KU 772 arrived we began pushback exactly 7 mins after scheduled time and headed towards Runway 27.

The view while taxing was a pretty standard one full of AI 310s and 747s and one or two international heavies.

We reached holding position at runway 27 and waited for an IC 320 and 9W 737 to land and an AI 310 to depart.

After a very powerful takeoff we headed into the Mumbai skyline.

About 15 mins after takeoff when our seat belt sign was switched off, the cabin crew made an announcement that the IFE system had malfunctioned and instead of showing their regular channel selection, they would just be showing one movie on their system, namely The Island .

Since I had already seen that movie I dint bother and neither did any of the other passengers as it was a very odd hour flight. I tuned into their audio selection and fell asleep only to be woken up 2 hrs later when breakfast service began.

Now many people who have flown CX on this route before have always told me that their food service sucks, but having experienced a 5 star service of SQ just 10 days ago I was unwilling to digest the fact that another top ranked airline in CX could offer pathetic meal service..

When the meal service started I chose the veg option --- No menu cards were handed out, and Unfortunately my friends were right as I was shocked and dissatisfied to say the least. It was apparently a Breakfast Meal but they served us Paneer Makhanwala [Cottage Cheesse in a Butter Gravy] and Upma [A south Indian salted savory item]


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For most of yoll who are unfamiliar with Indian Cuisine let me explain to yoll that this dish -- the cottage cheese one is actually a main course meal and is to be had either at Lunch or Dinner time, and the cottage cheese is supposed to be cooked wholly in butter, but in this case you could literally see the oil floating over the pieces of cottage cheese, it looked so unedible that my parents passed on it and just had the Crossiant with butter and jam and the upma, which in the true since are breakfast items.

However since Paneer makhanwala is my most favorite dish, I gave it a try and found that it tasted just as bad as it looked.

Dissapointed with CX so far----Their meal service was by far the worst I had ever had given the reputation CX carries with it,
No menu cards, or predeparture towels in comparison to SQ
And an IFE that had malfunctioned.

To make matters worse, when the FA who served us our meals asked me for any beverage, I ordered a Gingerale and I saw her make a note of it on her writing pad, but I dint get any beverage at all let alone the gingerale I asked for, and this happened to me twice, with two separate pursers—the second time I ordered a Coke as I thought they might have run out of Gingerale, but that dint come either.

Waiting for the drink I fell asleep again and awoke just as we were 25 mins from touchdown, I woke up my parents as the disembarkment cards were handed out, and all the other passengers around us were looking drowsy.

We began our approach and landed 5 mins after scheduled arrival time.

Approach and touchdown shots


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A smooth landing on a wet runway, and I had once again landed at BKK after almost 10 years, the last time it was a KE 300-600 coincidentally for the same price.

While we were taxing back I could see the much talked about army golf course and noticed a CX 772 takeoff, and snapped a pic of it.

CX 772 departure


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As mentioned above it was a wet morning at BKK, and very Misty.

Misty BKK apron


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TG 773 HS-TKF who we parked right next to


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We began deplaning after the standard deboarding announcement, which requested those who were continuing to HKG to remain seated.

As we were walking towards the Visa on arrival counters I snapped a photo of a SQ 772.


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There was a long line for the visa on arrival, and I took this as an opportunity to take a few snaps, most of those airlines I had never seen before.

Jetstar Asia 9V-JSC


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China Eastern A320 and SU TU 154, B-2347 and RA 96005 respectively


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Bangkok Air HS-PGU colourful A320 with KU 340 in the background


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VN airlines old colourscheme S7-ASD


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TG 333 with Royal Barage scheme


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After a patient 45 min wait for our visa, we headed down towards the baggage claim area and went outside where we had to wait another 20 mins for our pick up.

BKK City

Having already seen BKK properly on my last visit, we generally just spent all our 4 days shopping. And did the complimentary half day city tour.

30th Dec, 2005

Our last day at BKK and after doing all the shopping we waited at our Hotel for our pick up which came at around 2130pm for our Scheduled Departure of 0100am.

We reached BKK amidst traffic conditions at around 2300pm. The mini van driver dropped us off at the wrong terminal and after realizing this all 9 of us [two other families along with us in the mini-van ] were cursing him and were very irritated at his behaviour towards us.

At the check in desk we found out that the flight was quite empty only about 55-60% booked. We comfortably managed to book window seats in the front end of the cabin, my father spoke a bit politely to the check inn agent and made her block the entire right side seats of row 60 so that he could stretch out and nicely sleep for the length of the flight.

After paying of the departure tax and passing through immigration mom and dad began roaming around the duty free shops, while I decided to take a self-tour of the airport and walk all the way upto our gate no. 55, which was very far away to see if our aircraft had arrived and from there walked all the way upto the domestic side of the terminals.

These are some of the shots I took on my walks and some of the aircrafts I spotted.

TG line up starring the A300


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AY MD-11 santaclause colours


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LX 343


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31st Dec, 2005

It was soon time for our boarding and I told my parents that we should walk a bit briskly as our departure gate was way too far, atleast for them.

Headed to our massive holding area which was for these flights, namely
AY MD-11 in Santa clause scheme
LX 343
CX 773 my flight
On the opposite sides were,
LH 744
EK 77W

LX 343 parked right next to my CX aircraft


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In the holding area the air conditioners were on in full blast and those caused many people to take a leak, myself included   
After I came out of the toilet the sight I notice left me awe struck.

See for yourselves.

Face to Face


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After I took the above photos, the LH captain noticed me and gave me a wave , I returned the favour to him and had nice smile on my face as I headed back to the holding area.

Boarding was soon announced as the LX flight left its gate.

CX 709,
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Registration:B-HNO
Departure Airport: Don Muang International [BKK],
SDT:0105am
ADT:0115am
Airborn:0135am
Arrival Airport: Chatrapati Shivaji International[BOM],terminal 2B
SAT:0330am
AAT:0320am
SEAT:56A




Me and my mother settled in our seats while dad went to his row 60 to settle in for the flight [I mean sleep through the night] wink 

As people were coming in I went to the back of the cabin to see if the purser could give me some souviniers wink , I was pretty happy that he gave me a very nice looking writing pad and faber castle ball pen with CX titles on it.

We settled in for the flight I noticed that there was a mother with 3 young and noisy kids seated in front of us--- bummer 

As we pushed back the lady put her seat back, although it dint disturb me as my mom and me had the middle seat empty, so we moved seats, the reason I am bringing this up is because even though the crew did their final checks, they did not ask her to put the seat back in upright position.

The captain came and made an announcement that there was a massive line for departures and it would take us atleast another 20-25 mins before we were airborne.
I did see a lot of action while taxing including another EK 77W occupy the vacant gate left by its sistership.

Here are some shots during taxi.

AY MD-11 headed to runway


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KE 744


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Third EK 773ER at BKK in the space of 10 mins


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China Airlines 744


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Beautiful looking NW 330


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QF 744


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Egypt Air


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TG 734


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Maintainance area at BKK


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We finally reached the runway and soon enough were roaring into the dark BKK skies.

Fortunately this time there was no such malfunction announcement with regards to the IFE and I happily tuned into Atlantis, as I had not watched it when it had released, I quite enjoyed the movie and while the movie was running the meal service began---again no Menu cards [is this normal or do CX provide menu cards on “regional” sectors].


The meal this time was a lot better, and consisted once again of some paneer tikka masala[roasted cottage cheese in gravy], rice, Peas gravy and a crossaint


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The meal was as I said a lot better than my previous flight, but the cottage cheese was not as good as the one I had on SQ, but I was satisfied with my meal nevertheless as this time I got the beverage I had asked for i.e Sprite.

One other note, normally during meal services, don’t the cabin crew ask everyone to bring the seat back to upright position,??? [Correct me if I am wrong], but not this time as the seat in front of me was in reclined position, I too went ahead and reclined my seat, [there was no one seated behind me],.

Soon after the meal the trays were cleared and I contiuoed watching the movie, After about an hour I called for another soda, and it was promptly delivered with the can and a glass of ice, smile  I was happy to say the least and realized that my experience on CX 754 was a one off bad one. And was willing to fly them again as I have read good reports about them on the a.net forums.

As time went by we had about 30 mins before descent into the dark skies at Mumbai, and the approach was to be the traditional 27/09 approach.

We had a smooth touchdown and as were taxing towards are stand I took the following snaps, including that of HAWK21M working hard on his BD 732.

Indian Airlines terminal 1A at BOM airport


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Spot the HAWK


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Terminal 1B apron shots with 9W and S2 domestic narrowbodies parked


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Terminal 1B apron shots with 11 9W and S2 domestic narrowbodies parked


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The new parking bays at BOM which have been created to accomodate this Indian Aviation Boom, new carriers like Air Deccan, Spice Jet and GO airways can be seen


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We finally docked at our gate, this was the first time i noticed that they made use of both the Aerobridge and simultaneously allowed the pax at the rear of the cabin to get going using the door and the bus ride to the terminal.

I reached and held lines at the immigration counters for my parents which was pretty busy as along with our flight there was an Air Arabia flight in from SHJ and a Saudia flight in from JED.

Despite being just 10th in line for the immigration it took well over 25 mins for my turn to come.

After Immigration we collected our baggage , cleared customs without much difficulty and took a taxi headed back towards our home.

Ratings

CX 754 BOM-BKK

Aircraft: 7/10
IFE: 4/10 good audio selection nevertheless
Service: 5.5/10
Food: 2/10

CX 709 BKK-BOM

Aircraft: 9/10
IFE: 8/10 good enough for a 4 hr segment
Service:8/10 good but not as good as SQ
Food: 7.5/10 altough each dish was enjoyable I think most Indians will agree with me that you cannot have a combination of those dishes all at once.


I know I have been a bit critical in the report especially the first segment, but most of my views came as I compared two of the 5 star rated airlines namely, SQ and CX—that is why you will see some of my statements like “no menu cards” etc..

I know many of yoll might come out fully armed in support of CX, and I can fully understand it …..So as usual any Comments/Opinions/Criticisisms are more than welcome.

One more thing I would want to ask the TR gurus, do I go into too much detail in my reports as If I continuoe to do so like this my upcoming report on my GF First class experirence will be a really long one---or would yoll prefer it in parts????????


Regards/

Karan

[Edited 2006-08-09 11:59:14]
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:57 pm

Made the adjustments to the earlier TR


Sorry for the inconvinience

Karan

[Edited 2006-08-09 12:00:23]
 
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RE: CX:A Bit Dissapointed BOM-BKK-BOM 773[56K Pics]

Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):
About 15 mins after takeoff when our seat belt sign was switched off, the cabin crew made an announcement that the IFE system had malfunctioned and instead of showing their regular channel selection, they would just be showing one movie on their system, namely The Island

The IFE is one Sensitive Equipment.Noticed many Malfunctions frequently esp the Videos on most carriers.

Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):
dint disturb me as my mom and me had the middle seat empty, so we moved seats, the reason I am bringing this up is because even though the crew did their final checks, they did not ask her to put the seat back in upright position

I guess most People dont realise.The Cabin Crew never the less should have checked.

Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):
We had a smooth touchdown and as were taxing towards are stand I took the following snaps, including that of HAWK21M working hard on his BD 732

We are the only Guys awake at the Domestic Terminal at night with the B732SF [bay#13] & B752SF [bay#12].Although now spicejet & 9Ws Hyd & Blr flts do keep a few of their staff awake.Observing the IOC Refuelling Bowser,could mean the Freighter just Arrived.  Smile
Nice Pic next time try for the B757.

Nice Report Karan.As Usual great pics.Pity they were Night views.But irrespective Fantastic Explanation.

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Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:12 pm

I personally have felt CX is overrated. Their IFEs didnt work on a recent YVR-HKG flight and it SUCKED. Great flight report.

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Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:13 am

I just want to start by saying excellent trip report, I really enjoyed reading it and look forward to more from you.

Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):
I know I have been a bit critical in the report especially the first segment, but most of my views came as I compared two of the 5 star rated airlines namely, SQ and CX---that is why you will see some of my statements like "no menu cards" etc..

Anything you mentioned here about CX could easily be applied to some of my SQ flights. No airline is perfect 100% of time and most of them certainly do not go the extra mile when it comes to the flights to India. I have only experienced true genuine service on two carriers out of India, while all the others in my opinion failed to live up to their world wide reputations. One of my biggest disappointment out of BOM has been with another 5 star airline based in DXB.

Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):
I know many of yoll might come out fully armed in support of CX, and I can fully understand it .....So as usual any Comments/Opinions/Criticisisms are more than welcome.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I certainly respect yours. I may think the complete opposite of you, but I can understand why you feel as such. However keep one thing in mind, BOM-BKK is a very short flight, even when compared to BOM-SIN. However I must say that the Indian cabin crew on CX always go the extra mile on my flights, shame you did not encounter any. Honestly, catering out of BOM has disappointed me on almost every carrier, even in Business.

Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):
One more thing I would want to ask the TR gurus, do I go into too much detail in my reports as If I continuoe to do so like this my upcoming report on my GF First class experirence will be a really long one---or would yoll prefer it in parts????????

Honestly, I like it the way it is. If you think it is going to be extremely long, break it up into parts, but not too many. You can take a quick glance to see how I do mine, Malaysia: Asia's Best Kept Secret? (W/pics)

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Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:46 am

Are CX754 and CX709 new flights on the BOM-BKK-BOM sector? On the CX website, I only see CX751 and CX750.

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Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:51 am

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 6):
Honestly, catering out of BOM has disappointed me on almost every carrier, even in Business.

Business? Even First tends to be lousy.

The food out of Bombay on AI First that I've experienced is very mediocre, made even more so as caterers in BOM have no clue how to put together a good breakfast (muffins you could crush a skull with, stale rolls, etc.). Plus, lets face it - Indian breakfast food is only good when its consumed minutes after preparation. If not, it all turns into a soggy, oily, disgusting mess. A dosa that is a culinary masterpiece turns into a damp pancake in an aircraft cabin.

Meals on BA First weren't much better and were a showcase for the classic airline rubber omelette syndrome, although served with more panache than AI can ever muster (and removed uneaten also with the same panache).

In fact, given that most international departures out of BOM are from 11:00 pm to 7 am, its hard to be treated to a good meal. Its usually a light supper (for those still awake and not exhausted after the general unpleasantness of Sahar airport) or a bad airplane breakfast.
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:13 am

Your trip report was excellent. I'll keep your opinions about CX in the back of my mind if I ever get a choice between them and another carrier.

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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:26 am

Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):

China Eastern A320 and SU TU 154, B-2347 and RA 96005 respectively

That's an IL-96, as far as I can tell.

Good report, great pics, too bad there was so much glare off the windows. If you can get one, use a rubber lens hood which will sit against the glass and provide a better seal against ambient light.

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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:41 am

Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):
Paneer Makhanwala [Cottage Cheesse in a Butter Gravy] and Upma [A south Indian salted savory item]

Paneer Makhanwala at 7am  boggled  I'm not Indian, but even I know that's totally wrong! And serving it with upma (which, incidentally, is one of my favorite Indian dishes) is just bizarre. The croissant seems out of place with both meals.

Once again, a very nice report. Too bad about the patchy catering, but from what I've heard Indian meals aren't CX's strong suit.
Now, I'm still looking forward to that GF report.  Smile
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:33 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
Nice Report Karan.As Usual great pics.Pity they were Night views.But irrespective Fantastic Explanation

Thank you very much mate, nice to always know i have the MX depts support  wink 

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 3):
Their IFEs didnt work on a recent YVR-HKG flight and it SUCKED

Thanks for your comments, and that long flight 12-14 hrs must have really sucked wthout IFE-- Did CX give yoll any form of compensation.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 4):
I just want to start by saying excellent trip report, I really enjoyed reading it and look forward to more from you.

Come from a Guru of Trip Reports like yourself, i am really honoured that you enjoyed it, i must admit that when i started writing my Trip Reports i had kept ur NW WBC one and B747-437Bs "Democracy" one as benchmarks, so i do owe my writing skills partially to you and Sean.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 4):
I have only experienced true genuine service on two carriers out of India, while all the others in my opinion failed to live up to their world wide reputations

If you dont mind me asking, which are thos two---i assume one is MH and the other one is ???

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 4):
One of my biggest disappointment out of BOM has been with another 5 star airline based in DXB

I agree, whenever their option comes up for any of my families trips i bluntly refuse to fly then unless there is no other option.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 4):
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I certainly respect yours. I may think the complete opposite of you, but I can understand why you feel as such. However keep one thing in mind, BOM-BKK is a very short flight, even when compared to BOM-SIN.

Certainly sir i do understand the duration of the flight, and that is why i make this statement in the closing stages of my report.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 1):
I was happy to say the least and realized that my experience on CX 754 was a one off bad one. And was willing to fly them again as I have read good reports about them on the a.net forums.



Quoting SR 103 (Reply 4):
Honestly, catering out of BOM has disappointed me on almost every carrier, even in Business.

Altough not been as fortunate to experience Bus class each time,but my catering on my GF Air flight in May was indeed quite good, but then again i have no international benchmark experience to compare prior to the GF air flights., but IC and AI are well reputed for their food., some of which i have experienced myself.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 4):
Honestly, I like it the way it is. If you think it is going to be extremely long, break it up into parts, but not too many. You can take a quick glance to see how I do mine

I have read and enjoyed all your reports including your recent AA F class 767 flight and your EK one, infact you will find my replies in some of them.

Quoting 9V-SPJ (Reply 5):
Are CX754 and CX709 new flights on the BOM-BKK-BOM sector? On the CX website, I only see CX751 and CX750.

9V-SPJ

These flights were during the open skies of the winter months hence the varied timings, otherwise the BKK flight leaves BKK at an early evening hour of around 1700hrs

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 7):
Your trip report was excellent

Thank you mate really appreciate it.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 8):
That's an IL-96, as far as I can tell.

Sorry for the typo---

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 8):
Good report, great pics, too bad there was so much glare off the windows

Thank you for your comments.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 8):
If you can get one, use a rubber lens hood which will sit against the glass and provide a better seal against ambient light.

Appreciate the suggestions, will take a look into it.

Quoting LH459 (Reply 9):
Once again, a very nice report. Too bad about the patchy catering, but from what I've heard Indian meals aren't CX's strong suit.

Thank you for your comments, nice to know your a fan of one of my favourite Indian meals--Upma  wink 

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Quoting Karan69 (Reply 10):
Come from a Guru of Trip Reports like yourself, i am really honoured that you enjoyed it,

Wow, thanks for the compliment. I think I can safely say your trip reports are certainly in the same league as mine.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 10):
If you dont mind me asking, which are thos two---i assume one is MH and the other one is ???

One of them is certainly Malaysian. The other airline does not serve BOM at the moment, KLM. I flew DEL-AMS in January 2004 and the service was excellent, just like any other KLM flight I have taken. Another airline that should really be added to the list is Swissair, but sadly but they do not exist anymore. I did numerous trips on Swissair and their service was consistently excellent, they were a wonderful airline to fly into BOM be it from either Europe or Asia.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 10):
Altough not been as fortunate to experience Bus class each time,but my catering on my GF Air flight in May was indeed quite good, but then again i have no international benchmark experience to compare prior to the GF air flights., but IC and AI are well reputed for their food., some of which i have experienced myself.

I flew GF Business once out of BOM, however it was a few years ago and they were a totally different airline back then. It is interesting to note, that this is one of the few things that Emirates seems to be able to pull off. Most of the time the meals on Emirates are excellent. In my opinion, the meals were better out of DEL on KLM, but I do not have much experience with DEL catering to really compare.

As far as AI/IC, I can not comment as my last domestic flight was with Sahara. My dad however has been doing a lot of domestic traveling recently on IC, 9W, and S2 and he swears by 9W for some reason unbeknownst to me.

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Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:13 pm

Great report! Pity you didn't have the best service on CX. With "5 Star Airlines" one tends to expect too much and be easily disappointed. I've mostly had excellent service with both CX and SQ.

Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):
No menu cards, or predeparture towels in comparison to SQ

Usually in my Y Class experiences on CX I haven't gotten either. Saves $$$ for CX I guess. I did get one recently on a HKG-SIN leg.

Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):
One other note, normally during meal services, don’t the cabin crew ask everyone to bring the seat back to upright position,??? [Correct me if I am wrong], but not this time as the seat in front of me was in reclined position, I too went ahead and reclined my seat, [there was no one seated behind me],.

Never happened to me on SQ or CX. In Y class it is not as much of a difference as in C or F.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:08 pm

Honestly I also thought CX was far overrated. I did a trip HKG-SIN-HKG a year ago and it was nothing special, I would say similar to LH, BA etc... I cant understand what sort of PR they used to get themselves awarded the best airline a few times. I yet have to find a chance to fly with SQ one day, but my girlfriend said SQ is way better.
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:27 am

Excellent report Karan! I love the pics.

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Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:00 am

Nice report Karan, thanks.

Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):
I had not noticed the size of the massive GE engines.

- CX 773's have RR engines, the future 77W's will be GE

Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):
China Eastern A320 and SU TU 154, B-2347 and RA 96005 respectively

-That's an IL-96

Good report, nice detail but perhaps reduce the pictures where you can't see all that nuch, ie the night shots.

Look forward to the GF report.

Rgds

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Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):
even though the crew did their final checks, they did not ask her to put the seat back in upright position.
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:51 pm

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 11):
The other airline does not serve BOM at the moment, KLM. I flew DEL-AMS in January 2004 and the service was excellent, just like any other KLM flight I have taken. Another airline that should really be added to the list is Swissair, but sadly but they do not exist anymore. I did numerous trips on Swissair and their service was consistently excellent, they were a wonderful airline to fly into BOM be it from either Europe or Asia

Does not LX which flies with 332s to BOM use the same catering as the former SR, and is'nt the 332 a better product than the classic MD-11

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 11):
As far as AI/IC, I can not comment as my last domestic flight was with Sahara

On my last trip on S2 i was served a Subway Sandwhich , a;though i found the meal idea quite innovative considering it was an evening flight but there was a lot of criticisim from people over that issue.

As far as IC they served an awesome breakfast meal,

TR here

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/51845

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 11):
My dad however has been doing a lot of domestic traveling recently on IC, 9W, and S2 and he swears by 9W for some reason unbeknownst to me.

My father has been flying those airlines too, but he has been swearing by IT.

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 12):
Great report! Pity you didn't have the best service on CX. With "5 Star Airlines" one tends to expect too much and be easily disappointed. I've mostly had excellent service with both CX and SQ.

Thanks for your comments, yes that is indeed true, when you have great expectations you often come out dissapointed.

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 14):
Excellent report Karan! I love the pics

Thanks mate, really appreciate it

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 15):
Nice report Karan, thanks

Thank you mate, your most welcome.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 15):
CX 773's have RR engines, the future 77W's will be GE

Thanks for the correction.


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Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:57 am

So Karan Whens the Next trip  Smile
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Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 16):
Does not LX which flies with 332s to BOM use the same catering as the former SR, and is'nt the 332 a better product than the classic MD-11

I was referring more to genuine hospitality of the cabin crew. I have not had a chance to fly them since they became Swiss, but have heard a lot of people, including my parents say they are not up to the standards that Swissair had set in the past. However I have no personal experience to add to this as KLM became my preferred European carrier by 2002. As far as the 330 vs. M11, most of my BOM flying was on the 747's but you are right, when it comes to Economy, the 330 is better than the M11.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 16):
On my last trip on S2 i was served a Subway Sandwhich , a;though i found the meal idea quite innovative considering it was an evening flight but there was a lot of criticisim from people over that issue.

I remember the report, very well done. I think the reason some people criticized the meal was simply because everyone was used to seeing full meal service on flights within India. Example would be the following meal I had on S2 between BOM and DEL.



Quoting Karan69 (Reply 16):
My father has been flying those airlines too, but he has been swearing by IT.

To my knowledge my father has not had a chance to fly IT yet, despite me pushing him to try them out. I have no idea what he is waiting for.

Eagerly looking forward to those GF trip reports.

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Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:32 pm

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 4):
One of my biggest disappointment out of BOM has been with another 5 star airline based in DXB.

The airline you are referring to is actually just a 4-star airline according to Skytrax, and yes their high-density routes (not just to South East Asia) are simply a NIGHTMARE. Especially on their 777's. Perhaps their newer 77W'S may be better off cionsidering the new IFE system, but their worn out 773's are a total mess!

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 16):
Karan69

Great trip report .. but a warning sign for me! I am flying them JFK-HKG-DXB this Sunday the 20th. Will be compiling a trip report as well. Bummer about the menus! i collect them  Sad

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Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:26 pm

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 18):
Example would be the following meal I had on S2 between BOM and DEL.

That certainly looks like a scrumptuous meal.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 18):
To my knowledge my father has not had a chance to fly IT yet, despite me pushing him to try them out. I have no idea what he is waiting for.

My dad flew them on BOM-CCU , BOM-DEL, BOM-BLR-BOM and each time he praised their service, and said that the legroom was much better than 9W.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 17):
So Karan Whens the Next trip

None as of now, altough dad has told me to join him in his bussiness conference at Goa, on IT and OS--this weekend, lets see how i goes.

Should i go????

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 19):
Perhaps their newer 77W'S may be better off cionsidering the new IFE system, but their worn out 773's are a total mess!

I thought all their 773s were RE-Equipped with the new ICE system.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 19):
Great trip report .. but a warning sign for me! I am flying them JFK-HKG-DXB this Sunday the 20th. Will be compiling a trip report as well. Bummer about the menus! i collect them

OMG--- Why such a weird routing , was the ticket a lot less cheaper than that of the non-stop EK 345??

Mate in one of the replies to this TR someone has mentioned they do not give out menus on the S/haul sectors, on the L/haul sectors they do give out menus., and have "5 Star Type Service" .

But id be very interested in findig out the reason for your routing.

Thanks for your kind comments as regards to my TR.

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Quoting Karan69 (Reply 20):
I thought all their 773s were RE-Equipped with the new ICE system.

Well i am not sure. A buddy of mine flew them from MEL-SIN-DXB on a 777300 and he said there was no new ICE system and the aircraft was old and worn out. Besides he aslo said the service was rushed and terrible. Perhaps one of those 'off' flights, but if you ask me, 10 abreast seating on a 777 is just overdoing it.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 20):
OMG--- Why such a weird routing

Yeah the routing is weird. But i opted for this routing, as it was only 100USD more than what EK offered me, and that grants me a first-time experience on an A346. So why not?  Wink

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Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 19):
The airline you are referring to is actually just a 4-star airline according to Skytrax, and yes their high-density routes (not just to South East Asia) are simply a NIGHTMARE. Especially on their 777's. Perhaps their newer 77W'S may be better off cionsidering the new IFE system, but their worn out 773's are a total mess!

Actually I have never flown a "high density" aircraft on Emirates let alone their 773. I constantly fly their 332's and 772's and most of the time in business. My complaints were never with the IFE, I am one of those than can live without AVOD if the selection is decent which it is on EK.

Honestly, the worst flight I ever had with EK was on a FRA-DXB flight while the best was a DXB-KWI flight. EK just has major consistency issues, nothing to do with the geographical area the flight is heading to. The last time I was in Dubai, I opted to fly a European carrier back to the US rather than EK as I felt it was not worth the effort to fly them anymore.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 19):
Great trip report .. but a warning sign for me! I am flying them JFK-HKG-DXB this Sunday the 20th. Will be compiling a trip report as well.

If at any time you feel you are getting a raw deal wit CX, just think of me. I just flew DAB-ATL-PHL yesterday and I would gladly exchange places with you! CX over almost any airline in my opinion. Very few come close to the service standards that CX has set and I hope you get to experience the true CX that I have grown to love after years of flying them all over the globe.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 20):
None as of now, altough dad has told me to join him in his bussiness conference at Goa, on IT and OS--this weekend, lets see how i goes.

Should i go????

I Have not been to Goa in years, I'd jump at the chance for a quick visit any-day! I say go for it, I would love to see all the pictures from the trip.

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Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 21):
But i opted for this routing, as it was only 100USD more than what EK offered me, and that grants me a first-time experience on an A346. So why not?

A true aviation nut just like the most of us here, but over such a long routing i would not have taken a route which takes me 9-10 hrs longer, but then again i might just do something similar later this year  wink 

If you dont mind me asking what was the cost of VS to DXB as that would definitly give you an 346 one way or the other plus the time convinience.

Nevertheless we want a nice TR from you which is as elegant as the 346 in CX colours

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 22):
EK just has major consistency issues, nothing to do with the geographical area the flight is heading to.

I completely agree with you, they were my favorite carrier when i was growing up as a kid owing to the wonderful experiences i had with them on my multiple DXB flights, but my trips to UK [LHR/BHX] were quite a contrast.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 22):
I just flew DAB-ATL-PHL yesterday and I would gladly exchange places with you! CX over almost any airline in my opinion

Which domestic airline in US would you rank the best in terms of service and IFE considering that most flights are long, i know its a tough question but give me your order wise preference if you cant select one. and if possible a general reasoning.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 22):
Have not been to Goa in years, I'd jump at the chance for a quick visit any-day! I say go for it, I would love to see all the pictures from the trip.

SR 103

Interesting thing my father changed his booking to GO air for INR 4100 RT, but GO called up saying the flight from BOM would be 3 hrs late [they actually called] and offered dad a full refund, so he is taking 9W for INR 2600 BOM-GOI, .

He tpld me to come too, and i was looking up fares and found IC A300 for just 2450 INR, but was hesistant as i am not been doing too well recently.

Would have loved to have been on that A300 once agian.


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Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:13 am

Very interesting report. Thanks for sharing! I've found menus and hot towels on CX to be totally random. I've had them on some short legs where you wouldn't expecct them, and then they weren't offerd on some longer trips. I'm determined to crack the code and work out when/why they are and aren't distributed.

My only experience of less than expected levles of service was on a CX flight from KIX-HKG with a very light load of 30 pax on an A330 (despite my name, possibly my new favourite ac...). While there was a full crew on board, they all disappeared for most of the flight. I had a ver similar experience on MH on another flight with similar loads out of NRT.
 
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Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):
The meal was as I said a lot better than my previous flight, but the cottage cheese was not as good as the one I had on SQ, but I was satisfied with my meal nevertheless as this time I got the beverage I had asked for i.e Sprite.

I traveled the HKG-BKK-BOM sector in Mar 06. Strangely enough we got menu cards out of HKG but none on the return segment from BOM. Since I think the plane departs at about 5.15am CX does not bother giving a full meal.

Quoting Karan69 (Thread starter):
One more thing I would want to ask the TR gurus, do I go into too much detail in my reports as If I continuoe to do so like this my upcoming report on my GF First class experirence will be a really long one---or would yoll prefer it in parts????????

I think it is an excellent report except for the quality of the photos. But again photography in itself is a separate passion. So nothing to worry. Those night shots are very difficult to take.
 
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Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:55 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 23):
He tpld me to come too, and i was looking up fares and found IC A300 for just 2450 INR

Last time I flew to GOI, it was on a IC 300. When we approached the gate my dad "Ahh, good old VT-EDX. I have been flying that plane since way before you were born." I was 18 at the time!  Wink Little did I know how rare the plane was at the time.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 23):
but was hesistant as i am not been doing too well recently.

Sorry to hear that. Hope your doing better now.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 23):
Which domestic airline in US would you rank the best in terms of service and IFE considering that most flights are long, i know its a tough question but give me your order wise preference if you cant select one. and if possible a general reasoning.

Wow, what a question. So much can be said on this topic. I'll tell you it is very hard for me to find one single airline that is good in both IFE and service, from my experience the two do not mesh well together.

Continental: As you may have read on here, they are constantly ranked as the best airline to fly with in the US. I have been flying them quite a bit since 2002 and can honestly say they are a good airline but a bit over hyped by the members on this board. The airline still offers free food in coach, and while it is nothing spectacular, it is edible. IFE is the standard sitcoms or movies depending on length of the flight with headphones that cost $$$. I have flown their First Class on numerous occasions due to my Elite status and the product offered up front is solid I must say. However a personal note here, service is erratic. When their employees feel like it, they can make Continental one of the best airlines to fly, however when you encounter their bad apples (and there seem to be a large number at CO), they bring "bad service" it to a whole new level. Every time I fly CO, it is like flipping a coin, is the service going to be good or bad today?

Northwest: As I am sure you have read on this board, NW is constantly bad mouthed. I personally feel most of it is unjust. After flying numerous flights on NWA since 2002, I have come to one conclusion. The airline may offer less glitz and glamour than most of its competitors; however it has one thing going for it, consistency. I can always depend on NW to get me to my destination wit consistently "decent" service. Every time I buy a NW ticket, I know what I am in for, no surprises. I believe NW is probably the worst airline to fly in economy domestically but is on par if not better than some of the competition when it comes to First Class. Just remember there is no IFE on NW unless you are flying to Hawaii or Alaska. Detroit and Minneapolis/St. Paul makes changing planes hassle free.

Delta Air Lines: This is a hard airline for me to write about. I have been flying Delta since the early 90's and when I started buying my own tickets in 2001, I swore I would never step foot on one of their aircraft as I thought they were one of the worst airlines in world. Being a Skyteam Elite I caved in towards the end of 2005 and while I think the airline still has to work out some issues, they are trying to improve. I just flew DAB-ATL-PHL yesterday and their new uniforms have provided an excellent uplift, sadly it does not seem to have helped their cabin crew smile any more. I still have issues with finding friendly flight attendants on Delta. It is a shame as Song was the total opposite, some of the friendliest flight attendants in the US. However Delta offers more snacks and IFE than almost any other major US airline in coach (exception being CO). For example yesterday on my ATL-PHL flight I was offered a choice of chips, pretzels, peanuts, and crackers. Most others would just give you a bag of pretzels. Delta in recent times has tried to improve and their product certainly shows, I just wish their cabin crew would take a lesson from their two Skyteam counterparts. Service with a smile would make Delta a much better carrier.

American Airlines: I attained Elite status with AA this year and I have absolutely no interest in keeping it. After a number of flights in economy and two in First Class this year, I am in no hurry to return to AA. IFE is standard and there is no free food in economy, pretzels are not served on all flights; at least none that I flew. Flight Attendants on AA seem to have issues being friendly in economy from my experience. If you are in First Class they will smile and prove good service, but if you are behind the curtain smiles and common courtesy are hard to come by. As far as I am concerned, AA is probably the airline I rank the lowest at the moment when it comes to flying economy. However I have numerous friends that swear by AA including my own brother who thinks they are the airline to fly in the US. As you can tell, I disagree with them.

USAirways: I have not flown this airline too much recently, especially after the merger with America West, but they offer a standard product with IFE and food for sale in coach. I hear a lot of positive things about the airline but since I have a few friends working for the carrier my views may be a bit biased. At the moment they are a solid airline with a good product.

United: I have not flown United since 2000; however I used to do quite a bit of flying with them. United I think has some of the best IFE around with Channel 9. Sadly they do not offer much in terms of food anymore as they have joined the "buy on board" bandwagon. In terms of cabin crew, United seems to do just fine. I certainly never had any issues with them and my parents who are Star Alliance Elite continuously tell me, "I would rather be flying United than Lufthansa."

Southwest: Have not flown them too recently but they are one of the friendlier airlines out there. No IFE but they do offer little snack boxes on their longer flights. Overall they are a very nice airline to fly and are certainly worth the experience as they are the true LCC pioneer.

AirTran: Due to a promotion back in 2004 I hold Lifetime Elite status with the airline and can genuinely say they are a pleasure to fly. Freindly cabin crew and XM radio is a wonderful thing to have. Sadly they do not offer anything in terms of food even on their longer flights in business class. However I certainly would not hesitate to fly them, in fact they are my preferred LCC carrier.

jetBlue: The famous LCC that changed air travel as we know it. I have flown jetBlue and found their cabin crew to be very friendly, though slightly inefficient as they pulled the disappearing act on a 3 hour flight. IFE is wonderful on jetBlue, quite possibly the best in the US at the moment. Free live TV along with XM radio. jetBlue is a classy experience and certainly a great airline to fly but I need more experience before I give more opinions on them. I recently wrote a trip report regarding them; feel free to check it out if you want more information on Song or jetBlue.

So my personal list is as follows for domestic travel:

1. Continental
2. Northwest
3. Delta
4. United
5. AirTran (tie) jetBlue
6. Southwest
7. USAirways
8. American Airlines

When it comes to International travel:

1. Northwest
2. Continental
3. United
4. Delta
5. American (tie) USAirways

Now I should warn you and anyone else reading, these are my personal opinions based off experience. I am sure not everyone is going to agree with me and may have vastly different opinions.

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Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:27 pm

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 22):
I constantly fly their 332's and 772's

I've flown their A332 and its just as any other Y class around. Also flew their 772 once, and because the flight was less than half full (to AMM), it didn't seem too bad. Its just considering that the 'standard' for a 777 is normally 9 abreast .. adding a 10th seat is a bit nutty... we're not sardines!

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 22):
EK just has major consistency issues

That i definitely agree with! .. They are a great airline, don't get me wrong, but one would expect consistency issues especially when considering such factors as their rapid expansion rate, and their over-working their employees (cabin/flight crew etc).

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 23):
If you dont mind me asking what was the cost of VS to DXB as that would definitly give you an 346 one way or the other plus the time convinience.

I really don't know. I haven't checked to be honest. I figured id take CX to see what all the hype is about. Been on VS once, and theyre amazing!

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 23):
Nevertheless we want a nice TR from you which is as elegant as the 346 in CX colours

Oh you will get one for sure .. my journey will start in a few hours  Wink

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Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting CX777Fan (Reply 24):
Very interesting report. Thanks for sharing! I've found menus and hot towels on CX to be totally random

Thanks for your kind comments--I think every airline even the great ones like CX and SQ have their consistency issues i guess we just have to live with it.

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 25):
traveled the HKG-BKK-BOM sector in Mar 06. Strangely enough we got menu cards out of HKG but none on the return segment from BOM. Since I think the plane departs at about 5.15am CX does not bother giving a full meal

As CX777Fan mentioned it is just a consistancy issues and perhaps more so on their Short flights, thanks for your comments and suggestions about the pictures will have a look into it.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 26):
Last time I flew to GOI, it was on a IC 300. When we approached the gate my dad "Ahh, good old VT-EDX. I have been flying that plane since way before you were born." I was 18 at the time! Little did I know how rare the plane was at the time.

Rare indeed i had my first IC A300 flight when i was 4 years old way back in 1989, got chatting with my one of My friends Aunt who is one of the few commanders at IC and has flown all their aircraft except for the 319---She says the A300 was the best to fly as it was the most sturdies aircraft in the fleet and altough it consumes fuel at 6 tonnes an hour, its cargo load more than compensates for the profit IC makes through it.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 26):
Sorry to hear that. Hope your doing better now.

Not recovered yet--Even the doc cant figure out wats wrong today is the 24th day. i am unwell

Thanks for the get well wishes , much appreciated.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 26):
Wow, what a question. So much can be said on this topic. I'll tell you it is very hard for me to find one single airline that is good in both IFE and service, from my experience the two do not mesh well together.

Wow i got an excellent analysis, for your TRs and Analysis i welcome you to my RU.

I had flown on US Airways through the USA on my trip way back in May 2001

SFO-CHL-MCO-WAS-BUF-LGA-WAS-BLT-LAX

On A320-752-752-733-734-319Shuttle-321

I found their service no where near Indian Carriers and we got a meal service only on the BLT-LAX service, but their aircrafts especially the airbuses were very neat and modern and a pleasure to sit on and the staff had their attitude but were efficient in what they did.

I flew a UA 733 or 735 shuttle from LAX-SFO but the flight is too small to make a judjement about them.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 26):
AirTran: Due to a promotion back in 2004 I hold Lifetime Elite status with the airline and can genuinely say they are a pleasure to fly

WOW Lifetime platinum wat was the promotion.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 27):
I've flown their A332 and its just as any other Y class around. Also flew their 772 once, and because the flight was less than half full (to AMM), it didn't seem too bad. Its just considering that the 'standard' for a 777 is normally 9 abreast .. adding a 10th seat is a bit nutty... we're not sardines!

Agree with you on the 332s, i flew their pscked 772 from BHX-DXB not a pleasant experience when it is packed altough the service and food were good the ambience was just pathetic to say the least


Quoting Ronerone (Reply 27):
really don't know. I haven't checked to be honest. I figured id take CX to see what all the hype is about

If you just wanna see the hype cpuld have tried them out on a S/Haul like BOM-DXB cheaper and convinient but then again who can argue with Aviation nuts like us

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 27):
Oh you will get one for sure .. my journey will start in a few hours

thanks i am sure your home by niw how was the experience.


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Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:38 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 28):
thanks i am sure your home by niw how was the experience.

I have just reached home, with a digi-cam FILLED with pics, and videos (announcements, safety instructions, take offs, landings, you name it, i got it)

I need a few days to recover from the jet lag that is about to hit me, then ill compile it all up and present it here.

In my opinion, CX should be THE example for other airlines to follow. While i was not impressed with their A346 at all, this is only due to their apparent high utilization of that aircraft (more details on that later). Otherwise the service was beyond excellent. The crew on both flights offered exceptional service that i think brings you back to the days when flying was a luxury. As far as CX is concerned, flying them remains to be a luxury! They spoiled me to death!

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Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 28):
I had flown on US Airways through the USA on my trip way back in May 2001

SFO-CHL-MCO-WAS-BUF-LGA-WAS-BLT-LAX

On A320-752-752-733-734-319Shuttle-321

I actually flew US in March 2002, MCO-PIT-FRA-PIT-MCO and I was impressed with their product in coach. 762/333/333/752. Sadly things have gone downhill for them with some drastic cuts here and there in the past few years. However I see this as a temporary stance and they will start improving their product sooner rather than later.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 28):
WOW Lifetime platinum wat was the promotion.

It is actually not Platinum, AirTran just has one Elite level. I attained it through a promotion they were offering at the time. E-mail them your current Elite Mileage Summary from any of the other US airlines and you could have lifetime Elite. I of course jumped on it, sent in my Gold NW information and received a card a few days later in the mail.


Quoting Ronerone (Reply 29):
In my opinion, CX should be THE example for other airlines to follow. While i was not impressed with their A346 at all, this is only due to their apparent high utilization of that aircraft (more details on that later). Otherwise the service was beyond excellent. The crew on both flights offered exceptional service that i think brings you back to the days when flying was a luxury. As far as CX is concerned, flying them remains to be a luxury! They spoiled me to death!

Glad to see you experienced the Cathay Pacific I am familiar with. Good to see they did not dissapoint you. I can't wait for the trip report. Hope your enjoying Dubai, god knows I'd rather be flying there than to Daytona this week!

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Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:41 pm

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 30):
god knows I'd rather be flying there than to Daytona this week!

oh! ure going to Daytona??? i miss it  Sad i just graduated from there (ERAU)

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 22):
Very few come close to the service standards that CX has set and I hope you get to experience the true CX that I have grown to love after years of flying them all over the globe.

Now, with full confidence, i can say that you couldnt have explained it any better than this! You nailed it!

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Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:42 pm

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 31):
oh! ure going to Daytona??? i miss it

You miss it? I normally can't wait to get out of there! I miss flying all over the globe when I am stuck in Daytona.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 31):
i just graduated from there (ERAU)

Congratulations! Graduating from Riddle with an MBA is no small achievement, I should know!  Wink

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 31):
Now, with full confidence, i can say that you couldnt have explained it any better than this! You nailed it!

Now I really can not wait for the trip report. There is only one airline that has come close to the standards of CX, and as you said above, you used to fly them between DXB and EWR.

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Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 32):
I normally can't wait to get out of there!

Haha .. yea i know .. Daytona is boring! and so is DAB! .. but nevertheless i miss it .. and i miss riddle!

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 32):
Congratulations!

Thank You! .. Now it's time to enter the real world! and hopeully, i will be part of an airline soon.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 32):
Now I really can not wait for the trip report. There is only one airline that has come close to the standards of CX, and as you said above, you used to fly them between DXB and EWR.

It seems we share similar tastes. You are absolutely right. After all, it is mostly the cabin crew that make up most of the experience. While CX's A346 is HORRIBLE to say the least, their service more than made up for it, and the flight was still excellent. Similar with MH, while their cabin crew is more 'reserved' , you can still rely on them for an exceptional experience.

The trip report is coming soon .. i am just uploading and organizing the images and the vieos on photobucket. With my jetlag, this will take a few days. Its coming though!

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Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 29):
I have just reached home, with a digi-cam FILLED with pics, and videos (announcements, safety instructions, take offs, landings, you name it, i got it)

I need a few days to recover from the jet lag that is about to hit me, then ill compile it all up and present it here.

In my opinion, CX should be THE example for other airlines to follow.

Good job done mate looking forward to that.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 29):
They spoiled me to death!

Nice to hear that ad i want to fly them even more on a L/Haul route like yours so that i can savour their true experience.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 31):
i just graduated from there (ERAU)

Congrats mate, i recently finished my undergraduation.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 33):
Now it's time to enter the real world! and hopeully, i will be part of an airline soon

Dude if an MBA from ERAU does not get you a job with an airline i doubt anything will. All the best for it.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 32):
Now I really can not wait for the trip report. There is only one airline that has come close to the standards of CX, and as you said above, you used to fly them between DXB and EWR.



Quoting Ronerone (Reply 33):
The trip report is coming soon .. i am just uploading and organizing the images and the vieos on photobucket. With my jetlag, this will take a few days. Its coming though!

Like Anoosh i too cant wait for the TR, and id be very interested to know what were the difficulties with the A346, i think i should also get my butt down to write the GF report.
Hey Anoosh when is your next trip.

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Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:04 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 34):
Congrats mate, i recently finished my undergraduation.

Thank you! .. and congrats to you as well. What did you study?

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 34):
i should also get my butt down to write the GF report.

Would love to read something new about GF. Wondering how they have been lately. Ive experienced them once, and they weren't good, but it wasnt a 'flagship' route (i.e. not LHR, FRA etc) .. since i hear they do quite good on Euro flights.

My report is coming soon .. all i have left is to finish up my last sector HKG-DXB and it should be posted .. just didn't know how long these things take!  Wink

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Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 33):
Thank You! .. Now it's time to enter the real world! and hopeully, i will be part of an airline soon.

Let me know how that is going. I am just about to start the Masters program this week with BA 520 and 521, two classes which I am sure you are familiar with.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 34):
Dude if an MBA from ERAU does not get you a job with an airline i doubt anything will. All the best for it.

One would think, but we are going to have to leave that for another discussion.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 34):
Hey Anoosh when is your next trip.

I have done a number of domestic flights this year, but as I am starting ERAU next week, my travel is being put on hold for right now. As far as my next long haul trip, it is hard to say. December may involve some BOM flying but I am not sure as of yet. It would most likely entail some Skyteam metal if it happens.

Last month I did a PHL-PHX-PHL trip all in First on NW and I have a ton of pictures. If you want I could post a quick trip report, but I rarely write about domestic flights as they are a dime a dozen on this board. Let me know if you think it is worth posting.

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Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 36):
Let me know how that is going. I am just about to start the Masters program this week with BA 520 and 521, two classes which I am sure you are familiar with.

My last class was BA521 with Dr. Williams, which ended only weeks ago. Get ready for the HUGE ..and i meah HUGE project. Start early! .. Dr. Williams is a GREAT guy too. You will have the advantage of a long semester unlike me, where i only had 6 weeks of summer to write up 100+ pages!

It's great though.

Other than that, you will also have a HUGE take-home portion of the midterm, and an inclass multiuple choice section, thats taken right off the lecture slides and the book. The final will be just multiple choice.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 36):
One would think, but we are going to have to leave that for another discussion.

Do elaborate on this please.

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Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:03 pm

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 37):
BA 520

Is this Org Behavior? With Dr. Reynolds? A very easy instructor, but very moody. Be sure to respond to her questions in class. She gets irritated if no one responds .. other than that she is a generous grader.

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Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:56 pm

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 37):
My last class was BA521 with Dr. Williams, which ended only weeks ago. Get ready for the HUGE ..and i meah HUGE project. Start early! .. Dr. Williams is a GREAT guy too. You will have the advantage of a long semester unlike me, where i only had 6 weeks of summer to write up 100+ pages!

I am very familiar with Dr. Williams having received my undergrad from ERAU. I remember the project I did at an undergraduate level, I don't want to even imagine the workload at an MBA level with him.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 38):
Is this Org Behavior? With Dr. Reynolds? A very easy instructor, but very moody. Be sure to respond to her questions in class. She gets irritated if no one responds .. other than that she is a generous grader.

LOL, you are so right about Dr. Reynolds. I had her as an undergraduate as well; moody is the best word to describe.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 37):
Do elaborate on this please.

I don't want to hi-jack the thread here as I believe that would be unfair to Karan and his excellent trip report. I shall just send you an e-mail regarding this.

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Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:38 pm

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 35):
Thank you! .. and congrats to you as well. What did you study?

Thank you mate i finished my undergraduation in BMS --- Bachelor of Management Studies,

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 36):
I have done a number of domestic flights this year,

Do you have a list mate, with the aircraft type.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 36):
It would most likely entail some Skyteam metal if it happens.

Would make sense as it would help you maintain your elite status, not that i am giving you any suggestions but it would be great if you can try the non-stop DL service from JFK one way and perhaps do the CO DEL-EWR route the other way.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 36):
Last month I did a PHL-PHX-PHL trip all in First on NW and I have a ton of pictures. If you want I could post a quick trip report, but I rarely write about domestic flights as they are a dime a dozen on this board. Let me know if you think it is worth posting.

No mate if it was a casual flight no need to post an entire report , but it would be nice if you could post or provide a link to the meals that you recieved in F class on NW.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 36):
One would think, but we are going to have to leave that for another discussion



Quoting SR 103 (Reply 39):
don't want to hi-jack the thread here as I believe that would be unfair to Karan and his excellent trip report. I shall just send you an e-mail regarding this.

You aint hijacking my thread at all mate, and if there is no personal stuff involved i would like to read about this to,

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Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 40):
Do you have a list mate, with the aircraft type.

I do keep a list, at the moment 2006 stands at 51 flights. I'll e-mail you the list.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 40):
it would be great if you can try the non-stop DL service from JFK one way and perhaps do the CO DEL-EWR route the other way.

I am certainly not opposed to flying CO but the problem is flying into DEL during winter fog. Last time I tried to fly KL out it was a mess. 9W lost my reservation but not my parents and the flight was overbooked due to cancellations and delays. I had to fight tooth and nail to get the ground staff to endorse the ticket over to Sahara who had empty seats. Had I not done that I would have surely missed my flight to the US that night.

As far as Delta goes, NO WAY IN HELL! I despise the airline with a passion. I have done numerous FRA-BOM flights amongst others on DL and I refuse to fork over money for their International product which is mediocre at best. One of the best attributes of flying DL to BOM was their ex PA F/A based in BOM. Once the non stop JFK flight comes through, its all American based crew. I would much rather fly NW via AMS than ever touch DL! DL in my opinion is one airline I will avoid making International trips on despite my Skyteam Elite status. Sorry if I sound harsh, but DL and I have a long history together, flying them has always yielded more stress than pleasure!

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 40):
if you could post or provide a link to the meals that you recieved in F class on NW.

NW Domestic First Class Pictures

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 40):
You aint hijacking my thread at all mate, and if there is no personal stuff involved i would like to read about this to

I really do not want to bring up the whole ERAU thing on here. It has been discussed to death on the general aviation boards. All I can say is that the name does not go as far as it used to. There is a vastly different perception of ERAU within the industry right now and sadly it is not favorable, especially outside the US. Lets just say I got a mouthful from 9W when they found out I was from ERAU.

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Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 41):
NW Domestic First Class Pictures

Very nice pictures man! .. i hope u didnt mind that i took a 'peek' at the other plane pics you on there. Very nice indeed!

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 41):
As far as Delta goes, NO WAY IN HELL! I despise the airline with a passion.

haha .. man in the past U.S. Airlines (especially Pan Am) were one of the best. Its too bad that service levels have gone down lately. A lot do have potential though .. like CO!

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 41):
Lets just say I got a mouthful from 9W when they found out I was from ERAU.

I couldnt agree with you any more! .. ERAU has appointed a new president, and hopefully he can revive its 'reputation' .

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Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 41):
do keep a list, at the moment 2006 stands at 51 flights. I'll e-mail you the list.

Thanks for the neat list mate.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 41):
As far as Delta goes, NO WAY IN HELL! I despise the airline with a passion.

i can understand most of my friends say that about the airline too.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 41):
have done numerous FRA-BOM flights amongst others on DL and I refuse to fork over money for their International product which is mediocre at best.

Yup i remember reading one of them, where the crew dint serve you any alcohol and ended up taking them for themselves after the flight ended.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 42):
Very nice pictures man! .. i hope u didnt mind that i took a 'peek' at the other plane pics you on there. Very nice indeed!

Agree with Roni real neat pics indeed.

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Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 42):

Hey Roni when is your next flight?? CX

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