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JFK-AMS-IST-DLM On KL/TK With 3 Cockpit Visits

Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:00 am

I was on my way to the old country for the usual summer vacation on August 17th. I chose KLM over TK since I have flown with their 772s before and I really like their AVOD system. On the other hand 3-3-3 layout is terrible and the seat pitch is, well, the usual.
After booking my trip on yahoo.com, I called the airline and made sure that I get the E,F seats for me and my wife since D has the giant video box that cuts the legroom in half. I was happy to book them for both legs, but I was surprised to learn that AMS-IST seats can only be determined at the check-in on the day of the flight. This is right after the London arrests so the airline suggested that we get there 3 hours earlier. It took us only 25 min. to get from the taxi drop off to the gate. As you might imagine we head to the bar.


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KL642 JFK-AMS was full, and it was ontime. Our 772 Machu Picchu was clean, FA's professional, Captain with perfect English. The flight was just over 6 hours, smooth. One huge drawback; I had some kind of a break in my audio to the headset so I had to constantly play with the plug-in to get the audio. I finally gave up. So there goes my AVOD idea. I asked the Purser if I could visit the cockpit. She said she would check with the pilot but didn't think so. Few minutes later she came back and offered me to visit the cockpit after landing. Fair enough.
We landed so smoothly that my wife questioned me if we were actually on the ground. Then I head for the cockpit. This was my first time visiting the 777s cockpit. I remember the days when I used to live in Seattle when test flights were taking place.

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The FO "J.J." was really nice, turned some lights on for me, answered some questions. Then it was time to go.


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I had one final look at our plane from the beautiful portholes on the walkways.


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AMS is a really nice airport. So easy to transfer, very nice stores, lounge chairs to take a nap, hotel, casino, and the museum.



On to our next flight I found the 738 at gate D47.
AMS-IST on KLM 1615 on 8.18.2006
Our plane is 738 "Avocet" PH-BXM, our load around 60%.
Scheduled leave 9:30am, Actual push-back 9:28am


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Inside the plane it feels old, a bit aged. I end up at the very last row: Seat 30A, which means no recline. I was told to wait till after we takeoff to change seats. There were no video screens, so the safety briefing was done in person by the FA's. Also I could smell the bathrooms right behind me. To my surprise I later found out that one of the bathrooms was out of order, and the others' door didn't lock.
We took off to the East at 9:40am for this 2:50 hr. flight. After my wife moved to another seat, I had the whole row to myself and tried to sleep a bit.


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Our breakfast was OK, with some yogurt and fruit at the bottom, some bread with jam, and cheese, breakfast bar, juice and coffee. Later they gave us some candy bars as a snack.

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Before landing over the Marmara Sea.


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Finally we landed on runway 06, and were at the gate at 1:30pm.


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Again I visited the cockpit. The Captain "Van Dongen" was really nice, he turned on the the KLM blue screens on for me on the displays, and gave me his card. We had a good conversation. Funny he thought I was French.

I was the last one out of the plane. IST seemed a bit empty. We made our way to the Visa line. There is a sign about the visa rates for different countries. Most are around $15-20, but surprised to see that Canada was $60.

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Even Milla Jovovich seems to be shocked!


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After paying the fees and getting a stamp affixed to the passports, we head for the passport control. The usual two lines; one for the Turkish citizens and one for everyone else. Since there were less Turks around, the lines on that side were really short. "The others" line waited patiently for about half hour while being served by only 3 agents. Finally an officer came and told everyone to go ahead and use the "Turks Only" lanes also. Makes sense, since they are the paying customers. To keep things fair, the passport control issues were similar when I travelled to the Dominican Republic, and South Africa last year.

After picking up our luggage and a few bottles of refreshments from the Duty Free, we headed for the bar for some beer. In Turkey when you ask for beer they bring you "Efes". I love that.


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Then we pushed our stuff to the Domestic terminal for the last leg of our long trip. TK crew was doing an open buffet with snacks and soft drinks at the check-in area. Apparently they do this every Friday evening. Looks like the domestic competition is paying off for the locals. My sister joined us to fly down south with us.
Galatasaray soccer team was there to fly to their weekend match.


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Cameroon international and Galatasaray defender Rigobert Song and my sister.


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The domestic terminal in IST seems old, outdated, some Eastern Bloc era like, but working. We head for our gate 104.





IST-DLM on TK218 on 8.18.2006
Our plane is a 313 "Goksu" TC-JDB, with a load of 100%
Scheduled: 17:20, Actual: 17:28
Seat: 21A


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For this short trip of 55 minutes to get the big bird is awesome. I can't wait for the takeoff. This workhorse has seen many days and it shows. I still like the 2-4-2 seating, or even 2-5-2, to the 3-3-3.
We take off with such power to the North and turn left, and onto our cruising altitude of 31,000 feet.


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The food service consisted of a small sandwich, a chocolate cookie, and soft drinks, and the usual moist toilette. Again FA's and the Captain's English is very hard to understand for English speakers. On the other hand I really liked their new outfits. I questioned the male FA's if they feel less macho wearing pink ties, they laughed and said they like the pink ties.


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Shortly after that we started our descend. There are some nasty looking clouds to our left.


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This was my first landing at DLM coming over the water. I thought we would hit some serious turbulence, but no worries.. a smooth landing.


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By now I am used to it, so I do my usual charm and get into the cockpit. I have a very short chat with the pilots "Suha" and "Nevzat" since I have to climb down the stairs to catch the bus to the terminal.

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This was a long day for me. Door to door over 24 hours. But well worth it when you smell the fresh Mediterranean air, taste the salty waters and meet some old friends and family.
Hope you enjoyed the report.
Coming up soon; "The Turkish Trio". IST-DLM with Turkish Airlines, Atlasjet and Pegasus.
 
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RE: JFK-AMS-IST-DLM On KL/TK With 3 Cockpit Visits

Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:17 am

Thanks for the trip report. I've been to Istanbul but have never flown Turkish. I don't understand their visa requirements. All they are is a tax, but they are discriminatory to certain countries. I wish they could just put the tax in the price of a ticket so you don't have to be bothered upon arrival.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
I remember the days when I used to live in Seattle when test flights were taking place.

Me too. I remember going to the 777s first flight with my father at PAE on a cool cloudy day in June. That was 12 years ago.
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RE: JFK-AMS-IST-DLM On KL/TK With 3 Cockpit Visits

Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
I don't understand their visa requirements. All they are is a tax, but they are discriminatory to certain countries. I wish they could just put the tax in the price of a ticket so you don't have to be bothered upon arrival.

As far as I know, the Turkish government matches the visa fees applied to the Turkish citizens by requiring the same amount from those countries citizens when entering Turkey.
Example, if you are a Turkish citizen and want to go to the US and apply for a tourist visa you pay a $100 non refundable application fee, therefore every American who comes to Turkey pay $100 at the point of entry, without the hassle of redtape. This was the case few years back, now it is dropped to $20. The whole idea behind it, is to make the visitors feel for a few minutes what the Turks have to go through daily in front of foreign consulates.
Right, wrong? This is just a trip report.
What bothers me most is what the pax have to put up with.
Easy solutions would be, before landing every airline plays a video, and tells people what to do, how much to pay and so on, and also, there should be more passport control agents, so things can go faster. I mean, those agents make less than $20/ day, couldn't they hire more, so all the booths stay open at all times?
 
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RE: JFK-AMS-IST-DLM On KL/TK With 3 Cockpit Visits

Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:57 am

Great report. I have never flown with KL but they look pretty nice. Why didn't you take TK from AMS to IST?

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Coming up soon; "The Turkish Trio". IST-DLM with Turkish Airlines, Atlasjet and Pegasus.

I'm looking forward to it!

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
The domestic terminal in IST seems old, outdated, some Eastern Bloc era like, but working. We head for our gate 104.

I left from the same gate. I don't know what should happen with IST. The new terminal is very nice but the domestic is really getting old and should no longer be in service. They isn't enough room for a new spacious domestic terminal unless they plan on relocating the TK hangars. They should just build a new massive airport like HKG outside of the city.
 
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RE: JFK-AMS-IST-DLM On KL/TK With 3 Cockpit Visits

Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:03 am

Quoting ThereAndBack (Reply 3):
I have never flown with KL but they look pretty nice. Why didn't you take TK from AMS to IST?

Thanks ThereAndBack,
KLM is top notch. It is like a well oiled machine. No nonsense, very professional. AMS-IST on TK? Never thought about it. Actually it would be great to do AMS-DLM in the future.

Quoting ThereAndBack (Reply 3):
They should just build a new massive airport like HKG outside of the city.

Sounds great. Who knows we might live long enough to see it one day.
 
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RE: JFK-AMS-IST-DLM On KL/TK With 3 Cockpit Visits

Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:21 am

Great report and nice pictures! KLM sounds pretty good, and Turkish Airways sounds pretty good too!

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RE: JFK-AMS-IST-DLM On KL/TK With 3 Cockpit Visits

Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:41 am

Great report and thanks for the photos.
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RE: JFK-AMS-IST-DLM On KL/TK With 3 Cockpit Visits

Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:55 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 4):
AMS-IST on TK? Never thought about it.

You could have flown on TK's A330!

Quoting TK787 (Reply 4):
Who knows we might live long enough to see it one day.

I think we will.
 
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RE: JFK-AMS-IST-DLM On KL/TK With 3 Cockpit Visits

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:26 am

Great Trip Report. I specialy like the Machu Piccu Pic.
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RE: JFK-AMS-IST-DLM On KL/TK With 3 Cockpit Visits

Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:30 am

hi there, excellent report...enjoyed reading it very much and am looking to take a flight to Istanbul (planned for in january, I know that istanbul would be cold...). I would like to take Turkish airlines from Paris to there.
 
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RE: JFK-AMS-IST-DLM On KL/TK With 3 Cockpit Visits

Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:11 am

Thats one long trip you had there. I enjoyed reading it. Great pictures, I like it that you were able to get cockpit shots of the three aircraft that you flew.
 
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RE: JFK-AMS-IST-DLM On KL/TK With 3 Cockpit Visits

Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:48 am

Very nice, really enjoyed the report.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
I could smell the bathrooms right behind me

- Nice Smile

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
I still like the 2-4-2 seating, or even 2-5-2, to the 3-3-3.

-I agree, 2-4-2 or 2-3-2 on the 767, those are the best configs.

Look forward to the next reports.

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