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Ultra Long Haul YYZ-HKG Air Canada A345 Pics+vids

Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:42 am

The purpose of this trip was to try Air Canada's A340-500 ultra-long-haul service from Toronto to Hong Kong in Business Class, then to fly a few short-haul trips in Asia, and return home, all in a few days.

This will be PART 1, as the trip report has far too many photos to adequately cramp into one report.

Routing was:

Winnipeg-Toronto Air Canada A320
Toronto-Hong Kong Air Canada A340-500
Hong Kong-Osaka JAL 747-400


Routing/Flight No: Winnipeg-Toronto AC262 Seat 14F
Aircraft: AIR CANADA A320 C-FTJR (hybrid colours)
Load Factor: 99 Percent
Cruise Level: FL350
Flight Duration: 2hours 5mins
Pushback/Rotation/Touchdown: 15:19 / 15:31 / 18:24


This flight was packed, and travelling as staff, I was lucky to get on the airplane. The flight was relatively un-eventful. This sector has become so routing for me. It is probably the 50th time I have flown Winnipeg-Toronto, so really nothing to comment about the flight.


Routing/Flight No: Toronto-Hong Kong AC15 Seat 6K
Aircraft: AIR CANADA A340-500 C-GKOL (hybrid colours)
Load Factor: 85 Percent
Cruise Level: FL320-400
Flight Duration: 15hours 7mins
Pushback/Rotation/Touchdown: 09:39 / 09:55 / 13:02


The gate agents gave me choice of seats in the Executive First Cabin. The forward cabin looked like it was crowded, so I chose the 2nd cabin, where there was 4 out of 12 seats filled. I chose 6K, and had the 2 seats to myself. With no storage space ahead of me, I left the camera under my seat.

We pushed back 1 early, and taxiied to RWY 05, where the Beijing flight (which was gated at the Infield Terminal) followed us, to the threshold. With nobody in front of us for takeoff, we took to the runway, and fired up for a long takeoff roll. The air was silk smooth. We departed, banked left, and headed straight north past Barrie, Ontario, and beyond. Initial cruise level was FL320. The In-Charge flight attend started her near 5 mins of announcements explaining all the service offerings for the flight (video and audio on demand, meal service...)

I was disappointed to find out that the "Interactive" Video features were not working on the flight. This meant, no moving map. Shit! And I wanted a photo of the map, as we were crossing the North Pole.

Among other shortcomings on the flight... the headset they gave to me was broken. The menus were all wrong... they looked like menus for the Tokyo, Beijing, or Seoul route.

My Toronto-Tokyo flight a few months back (I thought) had better service than this Hong Kong flight. Food was really good, but there were a lot of smaller issues that should have been "right" if you know what I mean.

Here are a whack load of photos:





































I slept well, for at least 8 hours. I woke up mid-flight for a snack (dim sum) then went back to sleep. I didn't find the angled lie-flat seat comfortable. I just can't sleep on an angle, even if it is flat. I can sleep better on the A343's J-class seats, or even UAL's Business Class seats, but never on angled lie-flat. That will change soon, with Air Canada, as new Suites will be introduced throughout the long-haul fleet soon.

We landed on RWY 25R and Hong Kong, and taxiied to the other side of the field for unloading. The international arrivals corridor (to customs) at CLK is nice, cause you can still take photos of aircraft as you walk down the corridor.






















Routing/Flight No: Hong Kong-Osaka Kansai JL702 Seat 47E (middle)
Aircraft: JAL 747-400 JA8077 (old colours)
Load Factor: 85 Percent
Cruise Level: FL390
Flight Duration: 3hours 7mins
Pushback/Rotation/Touchdown: 15:01 / 15:15 / 19:22


I only spent a few hours in Hong Kong, as it was a transfer to JAL, to Osaka. I checked with the JAL transfer desk in the arrivals corridor, and the woman said "Flight full".... "oh shit".... i thought. So she said to return in an hour to re-check the loads, and maybe I might get a seat then.

So I walked around the arrivals corridor, taking photos of pretty much everything, with no hassles.















Finally I returned, and she said "seat available".... 47E, a nice middle seat in Y. I joined the long line (for transfer pax) to get through security, and eventually made it upstairs. I had minimal amount of time to take photos, so I took some terminal pics, and ran to the gate, where I was 1 of the last pax to board.

The door closed, we pushed ontime, and were airborne off 25L shortly thereafter. Initial cruise level was FL330, then we climbed further to FL390. We were offered a full meal, which surprised me, as I am now used to the buy-on-board standard of domestic North American travel. The food was good. I watched the moving map channel most of the flight.









We landed at Kansai in the dark. It was cool because the camera on the nose gear was displayed on all the TV screens throughout the cabin, as we were landing, and even departing at HKG... a really awesome feature.

I overnighted in Osaka, and the next day flew to Seoul.

PART 2 will follow shortly.

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Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:03 pm

Great report.
Pictures are so clear and bright. Great videos too...

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Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:36 pm

Another great trip report Mel I really enjoyed it. Well done.
 
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Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:36 pm

Another first class report. Can't wait for part 2. One suggestion, I would like to see a video of the cabin interior if it's at all possible.  Smile
 
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Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:40 am

MEL,

Another great report! The pictures are great! Air Canada "Executive Class" sounds pretty good for a long flight!

Looking forward to Part 2!

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Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:32 am

Excellent trip report! The A345 just looks beautiful in every way as always!

Great pictures and videos. The AC meal portions look huge! yummy.

One thing. I noticed a 'shot' of a CX A346 (the link to one of your HKG arrival videos). I didnt see the plane in the videos. Was it there? What time was that around?

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Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:36 am

Matt, excellent TR. Great documentation of the journey.

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Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:43 pm

Quoting MEL (Thread starter):
the headset they gave to me was broken. The menus were all wrong... they looked like menus for the Tokyo, Beijing, or Seoul route.



Quoting MEL (Thread starter):
there were a lot of smaller issues that should have been "right"



Quoting MEL (Thread starter):
I didn't find the angled lie-flat seat comfortable.

I guess i got the image of AC Biz class  Wink
Great Report , Love the Pix. thanks
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Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:07 pm

Great report! Love the A345s, although those green J class seats are just ew! I alos loved your pics, especially the line up of tails at HKG. That shot was just great!

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Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:52 pm

Great stuff as always Mel Big grin



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Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:15 am

Really nice report Matt, I enjoyed reading it.

As many others, I really like the tails shot in HKG. And that view of the RR engines in-flight....woohoo!!!

Looking forward for part II.

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Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:18 am

Air Canada sure does a good job with the food they offer!
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:42 am

Lovely, and I mean lovely photos! The dark green AC cabin is beautiful.
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:43 am

Hey MEL,

Great report! What do you do for AC in the 'peg? I'm a ramper for AC in YYC and know Chris Sands and Mark quite well.

Also did you use a Zed ticket between HKG and KIX?


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Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:03 am

Superb and amazing pictures, the quality was incredible  thumbsup  Really liked the inlaid captions too!

AC's ultra longhaul offering doesn't seem too bad and the food looked pretty decent, well except the main course which looked like cat food  biggrin 
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:05 am

Great report and pics!
Lucky you got J to HKG... I flew that route last month and got stuck in the back  Sad

Hope you had fun in Asia!
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:08 am

WOOOOOW Great Trip report. I love it when they put tons of pictures and explain everything. Well done!

I'm waiting anxiously for your second part!
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:57 pm

It was a great report, but using thumbnails for photos makes it easier to read, and much less time to load.
 
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:32 am

Nice report and the pics are superb.
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:56 am

great trip report, how you are able to take such clear pics out of a airplane window? Did you opened it Big grin  Big grin

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Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:43 am

Excellent report and realy realy great pictures. Thanks.
 
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:52 am

That's how to travel with style!  Smile I like your laptop  Wink
Nice pictures, and text.

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Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:18 pm

Thanks for the good report...I especially love the variety of carriers and schemes one sees in Hong Kong!

You found the seats in J class uncomfortable for sleeping. Long flights I always upgrade due to back pain...what were the seats like just for sitting?

The little things count. Broken headsets, incorrect menus, non-working maps, etc...Hope the service was good.

Thanks again for the great pics.
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:25 pm

Very nice report and kudos on some really incredible pictures. I'm going to echo the sentiment of FlyingKangaroo regarding the dark green seats. That's just not a pretty colour.

HKG is such a great spotting airport - so many planes from so many different places.
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:49 am

Thanks for the awesome comments everyone.

Part 2 is now available for viewing here: Ultra Long Haul (2) KIX-ICN-YVR-YYC-YWG (by MEL Sep 25 2006 in Trip Reports)

To answer some questions:

I don't usually take videos of the cabin, but instead take photos... so I have no videos of the cabin of the A345.

The Cathay A346 wasn't in any of the videos, but I did grab a quick shot of it, when I was in the departures area. I will attach that photo below. It didn't turn out that great, because of reflections.

I love the tail shots too... one of my favourite "compositions" behind cabin shots, and airport overviews. Part 2 has a great shots of multiple tails at Kansai.


Kris, I'll send you an email. Yeah, I used a ZED ticket, in fact, when travelling with any carrier other than Air Canada, it always on a ZED. They are usually cheap, with the exception of long haul departures out of Europe, destined for North America.

That meal did kind of look like cat food, but it was really good cat food!

The pics taken outside the windows... I usually don't take photos out the window if it is dirty, or frost-covered, as it is usually very difficult to edit out those discrepancies, and I hate spending lots of time editting photos.

The Business Class seat was very comfortable for sitting. I just don't like the angled-lie flat for sleeping. The service was really good, and I really like the dim sim offerings for the mid-flight snack.

The laptop is a Dell XPS, and I almost lost it for good a few days ago in Toronto. See this trip report (at the end) for that story.
Air Canada Jetz Winnipeg-Toronto-Ottawa Pics+vids (by MEL Sep 25 2006 in Trip Reports)

One other thing worth mentioning: for some reason, the moving map channel on JAL showed our destination as Tokyo instead of Osaka, which for a second, scared the crap out of me. "Did I board the correct aircraft?"

Here are a few more photos:















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Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:05 am

Nice report, reallyed enjoyed it + loved the photo's, especially the ones in Hong Kong.

Not too keen on the green seats AC have, pretty yuck! - Much prefer a dark blue or grey colour.

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Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:05 pm

Nice work Mel! Excellent pictures and videos, very well written.
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Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:09 pm

EXCELLENT PHOTOGRAPHY! Amazing mix of aircraft and airlines at HK. Lucky fellow!
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:52 pm

Very Good!

Interesting too see that on the in-flight map from HKG-KIX, it shows Tokyo as the destination.

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Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:18 am

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 25):
Not too keen on the green seats AC have, pretty yuck! - Much prefer a dark blue or grey colour.

I'm not a fan of grey usually but JAL's interior, white and grey, is one of the classiest and most chilled-out interiors in the sky. I enjoyed a few long haul flights on JAL in 95, all 747-400s (and one lovely ten hour sector on an old 747-300) and they are a great airline, last flight with them was twelve or so glorious hours of daylight en route Osaka London at the back of a 747-400. Great trip report (I agree non-767s of Royal Brunei are rare!) (and angled flat beds are a horror).
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:23 am

Very nice report. Great pics too.
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:42 pm

Thanks for the comments. Angled lie-flat is awful. I would much rather sleep in a more traditional Business Class seat. Luckily I had the opportunity to fly Economy Class on the A340-500 two nights ago on the Vancouver-Toronto red-eye, as it was plane-changed from 767-200 to A340-500. Even stuck in a middle seat, I managed to sleep comfortably for the entire flight. Seat recline seems to be more generous than typical Air Canada Economy Class. The A340-500s will be removed from the Air Canada fleet within two months.

I'm not much of a fan of the JAL Economy Class seat (in terms of how it looks), but the seat fabric is very comfortable once you are seated.

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Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:29 am

Those broken headsets are not designed to last. Thats why we carry extras on the flight.

I'm glad they're all gone with the new XM aircraft. The newer Sennheiser headsets are much better with their active noise reduction.

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