jamman
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CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:10 am

Carrier: Continental Airlines/CO21
Equipment: 757 (winglets)
Route: MAN to EWR

Greetings fellow air.netheads!
I like to treat my self every once in a while and fly across the pond to the good'ol USofA to visit some good friends and do the tourist thang.
This time I had to make a decision of who to fly with, last time I flew with CO on this route with their 777 but in current times this route is served by a 757 twice daily.
Now its good that their giving people options with increased frequency to MAN but the greedy part of me still feels that the 757 is a slap in the face for a transatlantic route even though this is probably a good money maker for CO.

I arrived just before check in opened in terminal 2 and there was already a queue for the desks, the desks where a little late in opening by about 10mins as the security staff looked like they where having a little team meeting, which isn't a problem but perhaps the supervisors should have done this before the desk opening time. Check-in was smooth as always the nice chap on the desk offered me a exit seat for extra leg room being on the long legged side this certainly helps, I also had to have my little dvd player x-rayed because I'd borrowed it from a guy at work, good job on the CO security staff picking up on this, US Airways missed this last time I flew to the US.
I moved into the departures area (before airport security) and noticed that they had removed all the chairs and put in place queuing lines no doubt because of the extra checks now being made on carry on baggage, would also probably discourage the general public hanging around with there being no where to sit.

So then I moved on through security to airside departures with the usual high priced breakfasts and reasonable duty free I picked up a box of choc's for my friend. I positioned my self near an airport monitor and waited for the gate to open, 30mins - 20mins - 10mins - 5mins - 5mins - 5mins - 5mins.....this was the longest 5 mins I'd ever experienced perhaps MAG control the time space continuum once your checked in I don't know!
Anyways as it turned out the flight was late arriving from EWR so we had about an hour delay all in all, but still a message on the monitor would have been a treat!
Because of this delay the flight was parked at an remote gate, so we had to use the dukes of hazard bus system they have at MAN, I say dukes of hazard because they seem to do hand break turns when cornering! with my face pressed hard against the window every time we went around a corner I couldn't help feeling embarrassed with my home airport for this crappy way of loading international flights, still this should be improved once the airport is expanded.

Once outta the bus/dragster we queued on the airstairs for some time (likely due to the nice people blocking the alsie once boarded) I wouldn't have minded but this was a very cold morning in November, I had a coat but people in front of me didn't and they where shivering.
Once seated in my exit row seat I found everything I expected from a 757 coach seat, nothing thrilling at all really, I miss the 777 we had another small wait because (quoting the captain) "the traffic was saturated and we were waiting to be released" which made me chuckle don't ask me why.
We were soon away after that with the standard safety briefing and the "thanks for flying CO, we appreciate your business" from some big bald guy.
Not having a window seat I assumed it was 24L judging by the time of day and the fact we crossed a runway to get to it, after that takeoff and climb was uneventful.

The in-flight service provided by CO I would say is amongst the best even in economy, of course this 757 is let down by poor IFE (lcd monitors from the ceiling) and an awful taste in movies which was 'Just My Luck' (what/who/eh??) I know they have to cater to everyone’s taste but I think something mindless like 'Spiderman 2' or 'Car's' would have been better.
I've found the CO cabin crew friendly and chatty, the women more so than the men but I prefer to talk to the ladies anyway
Chicken or Beef was the order of the day, I had the chicken which wasn't half bad, soft drinks where free of course but I never got a full can although I did see some people get them, I feel a full can should be provided to everyone to save any in-flight jealousy! the soft/hard drink runs where more than adequate about 4 in total for a 7 hour flight plus 2 runs of water or juice, a great simple touch to keep us all hydrated, good work CO!
Before landing a chicken and cheese roll was provided with chips and a little choc bar, not a bad snack I just enjoyed the mini pizza given to me by AA on a previous ORD trip a little more filling.

One thing I did notice when the flight crew where collecting rubbish before landing the chatty female attendant was joking with passengers saying "continental rubbish only!", "that’s not co rubbish! who put that in there!" said with a joke smile, is this some sort of in house joke? She also made a comment about the size of the a/c to me "mind your arms honey, these aircraft are too small" I dunno if that was a comment of me having fat arms (I don't think I do) or the fact that international crew don't like the 75?

The landing/taxi was uneventful with the only highlight being the cabin music while taxing was Christmas themed causing most of the cabin to groan in unison being only the 4th of November!
The immigration queue in EWR was none exsistant as we had probably missed the morning rush with being late. The bags took a little while to arrive and I was tickled to see that each baggage belt had a dedicated guy to flip the baggage handle side up, is this because of problems with EWR baggage shoots getting clogged up? I've never noticed these guys before.

All in all I like CO but the 757 in a little lacking for transatlantic service, I'm sure some will agree and some will disagree we are all entitled to our opinion.

Thanks for reading!

James.

[Edited 2006-11-13 18:15:02]
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Cory6188
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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting Jamman (Thread starter):
the "thanks for flying CO, we appreciate your business" from some big bald guy.

That "big bald guy" would actually be Larry Kellner, the CEO of Continental. I've heard that spiel so many times on the safety video that I don't even pay attention to it anymore.

Good trip report overall. I'm glad that you liked CO - most people do.  Smile
 
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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:14 am

Nice report and I do agree with you about the B752 being a sort of smack in the face to MAN even though we now have twice daily service. Of course it's not that bad a thing but last time I flew MAN-EWR it was on the B764 and that cabin with the CO service made for a great flight. By the sounds of things the service is still there but it just isn't the same with the B752.

Overall a good read, write some more if you find the time. Oh and I have flown the B757 transatlantic so I have a valid viewpoint here.

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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:49 am

Haven't had the pleasure of flying transatlantic on a 757 myself  Yeah sure Would love to see a CO 777 at MAN.

As Myt332 said, a 767 across the pond is reasonably comfortable, combined with the right service.

Thanks for a good read!!!
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Lemurs
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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:54 am

It's pretty simple in the long run though folks...either there is enough traffic for twice daily widebodies, or there isn't. While I am certain the 777 and 764 were much loved when doing the once dailies, there probably isn't enough premium traffic to make 2 a day work. CO has been banking on the fact that people, espc the premium travelers willing to buy those J seats, want more scheduled services, not just bigger airplanes.

Very interesting and fun trip report. I am heading across the pond in a few weeks myself on CO, 757 out, 777 back. Should be interesting.
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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:41 am

Nice report. I am surprised that CO flies to times a day EWR-MAN!
I agree with you that it is, like you've called it , a slap in the face for international pax to ride on a B-757!!!
Just hope that DL doesn't start doing that.

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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:47 pm

Quoting DALelite (Reply 5):
Nice report. I am surprised that CO flies to times a day EWR-MAN!
I agree with you that it is, like you've called it , a slap in the face for international pax to ride on a B-757!!!
Just hope that DL doesn't start doing that.

Hey DALelite, your bias is showing! While I agree that using a 757 is not the best thing comfort-wise, they bring in profit rather than loss on routes such as MAN-EWR b/c of the economics of the aircraft and b/c the sustainable loads. And you can bet your sweet @ss that DL is going to do something similar. One thing that's making them a better airline today is incorporating ideas that are going well for its competitors such as CO. And that means going international with the 757. So don't bash CO in this regard; your precious DL may very well do the same!
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jamman
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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:29 pm

Thanks for the feedback guys its certainly welcome.

I totally understand the economics behind CO's 757 thinking and I do think its doing them a world of good, I just think that with the amount of US based carriers flying out of MAN now with larger equipment see Delta to JFK, US airways to PHL, American to ORD, CO is starting to look left behind as far as cabin standards go.
I've used the US airways and AA routes out of Manchester and the USair A330 cabin is top notch and the American 767 cabin while the IFE is lacking I felt more comfortable in their seats than compared to the 757 layout.

I'm not going to be unrealistic and think that the 777 will come back but perhaps a 767 would show more dedication on CO's behalf. As was said before this will probably depend on the demand of business first seats, I will say though the cabin looked full.

[Edited 2006-11-14 12:32:11]
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DALelite
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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting TristanHNL (Reply 6):
So don't bash CO in this regard

i wasn't bashing at all!!! I am just saying that the 757 isn't suitable for a
ride over the pond.

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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:21 pm

We used to give full cans of soda to everyone, however it is CO policy now that we only pour drinks. Upon asked, we are more than happy to give you the can. However, we dont just give them anymore due to cost control and saving fuel. The fuel savings come from the fact that we dont stock our a/c with a ton of extra soda carriers like we used to. Now that we only pour we have eliminated them saving weight thus saving fuel. This is system wide. Also, the 757 are due to get avod sometime in 2007/2008.
 
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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:11 am

Quoting Jamman (Thread starter):
of course this 757 is let down by poor IFE (lcd monitors from the ceiling)

UA and US still have the ancient CRT's hanging down from the ceiling.
 
jamman
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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:26 pm

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 10):
UA and US still have the ancient CRT's hanging down from the ceiling.

Well yes I would say in general this is a problem for the US legacy carriers having poor IFE on long haul, perhaps though this is just a limitation of the 757.
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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:02 am

glad i read that report, i might be going with delta now on a flight to dublin from houston. what ever is cheapest! other than that it was a great report!

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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:34 pm

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 10):
UA and US still have the ancient CRT's hanging down from the ceiling.

As does AA on their 757s. Would seem that in these times of saving fuel by cutting weight, they would switch to the much lighter LCD panels.
 
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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting Jamman (Thread starter):
She also made a comment about the size of the a/c to me "mind your arms honey, these aircraft are too small" I dunno if that was a comment of me having fat arms (I don't think I do) or the fact that international crew don't like the 75?

= I dont think it was your arm. She was just being nice as the 757 is so much like a pencil ... though, I find it to be an extremely graceful airliner ... along with the 340 and 744.

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jamman
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RE: CO 757 - MAN - EWR

Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 14):
757 is so much like a pencil

I do love the 757's profile from the outside but as for the inside I'm not so keen.

My next flight will be in March with AA to ORD on their 767, an older cabin and endless episodes of Every one loves Raymond (no not everyone) but I feel its a craft more befiting of the transatlantic route.

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