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Spanair Full-Charter And The Flying Pencil To PMI

Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:24 am

Spanair Full-Charter and the Flying Pencil: STR-PMI-STR



Hello, dear readers,
today I will serve you a short story together with some pix about my latest trip experience this week to Mallorca.
School holiday´s in southern germany and two free days in my calendar.
Not that much offers on the market, the classic airlines and the low-costers busy and expensive.
Some days earlier I noticed a PMI roundtrip with an acceptable fare, one night, departure late morning, but return
early morning the next day, not the real thing.
When I checked the market again, Tuesday evening, there was the same offer, but suddenly with an evening return.
The offer was from START, typical problem in such cases, no guarantee about the flight times, changeable by the tour operator (Neckermann).
So I've called START, the friendly guy there told me to book and he will do a notice that the flights will be as announced.
Another call the next day directly at the tour operator confirmed, tickets with the original schedule printed.



Thursday, 31.05.2007
STR (Stuttgart-Echterdingen) - PMI (Palma de Malloca-Son Sant Juan)
JKK 2004 operated by Spanair A320 EC-HRP
Scheduled: 10.05 // 12.00
Actual: 10.25 // 12.20
Gate: 361 Seat: 28E
Load factor: near 100 %, 172/180
Fare: 39,50 EUR per pax per leg
History:
The first ever Airbus plane in service with JK, mainly used on touristic services, delivered 06.12.2000.
Flight no.31on the A320 and the first on this machine.

Arrival at the airport at around 08.00 am, P8/11 was again busy, so parked at P2.
What a nostalgic feeling, so I thought, we had to collect our printed tickets, usually electronic ones on my flights, at the tour-operators desk.
No problem there. Three counters open in T3, not more than five minutes to wait till a friendly LH girl secured us the seats
we asked for and send our bags to germanys touristic destination no. one.
This was a full charter flight, therefore no informations about the plane type in the systems.
I hoped for a MD, but STR INFO shows me the day before an A320.
No time to wait at T1 security, downstairs to a well known gate, the same like two weeks ago to CTA.
We settled down, followed the traffic and waited for the JKK arrival from PMI.
Announced was 09.00 am, ontime.

Arrival JKK from PMI:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07001.jpg

So it was, the scheduled A320 leave the runway and while we´re back on the upper level, in preparation for a good taxi pic, what do you think where the plane is parked?.
Eastern apron, not far from our gate.

Ground staff in action:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07008.jpg

Boarding time comes and goes, lots of pax at the gate.
We´re finally called at 09.45 am, neither impossible to board and depart ontime with a fully load of mainly not frequent travellers to a holiday destination.

Bye-bye Stuttgart:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07011.jpg

We take the second bus, the seat beneath remained empty, it will be still so?. No, a third bus with some "lost" pax arrived and we´re ready to go at around
10.15 am. Duration 1 hour, 50 minutes. Very detailed informations from the male purser, total 5 FA´s, two male, three female, all friendly and all fluent in german
and he introduced the captain for this flight: Soriano. All annoucements in german only, the purser asked if there is a pax in need of english informations on the flight,
surely no one!.
The cabin fitted with dark, blue fabric Recaro seats, legroom was rather low from my point of view.
No. three to depart after a ContactAir ATR and an Eurowings Avro from runway 25 to Basle-Geneva-Marseilles and Palma.

Approaching the north-eastern part of Mallorca:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07012.jpg

Flightlevel 10.700 meters.
Service: A free snack box with a bread roll, sweets, soft drinks, coffee, tea. Catering was also from Spanair.
Drop down screens with the map system, the route good to follow.
Arrival around 20 minutes delayed on runway 24 R, taxi around the whole terminal and parked near the other runway, deboarding by bus.

Welcome to sunny Mallorca:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07013.jpg

Leaving our machine on the apron:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07014.jpg

Some 15 minutes more for the bags and we´re on the way to the Sixt shuttle to collect our car. The cheapest offer was from AutoEurope at around 50.-- EUROS,
they accepted my booking, but send me later a mail that the cars are sold out, new fare more than 70.-- EUROS, I declined and secured Sixt at around 60.-- EUROS.
A new Peugeot 107, friendly employees, no time to wait, a good decision till now.
Accomodation was the "Globalia Punta Amer" in Sa Coma, newly renovated in a minimalistic style, four stars with indoor/outdoor pool, fare unbeatable 50.-- EUROS B&B by HRS.
Main target was to "ride" the historc Soller train, some pics:

First the "Ermita de Bethlem":
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07016.jpg

Ermita detail:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07018.jpg

Hola, train rider:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07021.jpg

The train in Palma:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07023.jpg

The engine on short finals:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07024.jpg

In Soller, ready to depart back to Palma:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07029.jpg




Friday, 01.06.2007
PMI (Palma de Mallorca-Son Sant Juan) - STR (Stuttgart-Echterdingen)
DE 5823 operated by Condor B757-300 D-ABOF
Scheduled: 21.15 // 23.15
Actual: 21.45 // 23.30
Gate: D ? Seat: 49B
Load factor: Around 85 %, 215/265
History:
13.03.1999: Delivered to Condor
31.03.2003: Leased out to Transavia
01.09.2003: In service with Thomas Cook
28.05.2004: And back to the roots with Condor
Flight no.5 on the B757-300 and the second on this machine.

After another nice day at Mallorca we´re back at the Sixt office at around 7 pm and finally in the terminal two hours prior to departure.
Five or six counters staffed by Ineuropa-Handling open for all Condor flights, no time to wait. A not to friendly guy accepted our bags and printed some boarding passes.
I asked for window/middle in the back of the plane, result: Aisle and middle in front. New ones printed withhin seconds and further to security, not more than five minutes to wait there. He dont´accepted my Miles and More Card, later I read that departure from germany is necessary for a DE credit.
PMI during the summer travel period is always interesting, planes from all over Europe there, nice to follow.

Interesting, push back in the wrong direction:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07033.jpg

And turned around the departure:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07034.jpg

Lots of delays on the screens, for example AB to STR with nearly two hours, but no special information for our flight. A bus gate was announced.
I managed some pix from a DE 753, on taxi past the D area, now, that´s a long machine, our plane?.

The flying pencil just arrived:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07035.jpg

Taxi to the apron:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07036.jpg

Once again boarding time comes and goes, no action.
Boarding started than at around 9 pm, the bus full like Tokyo´s subway in the rush hour, with some typical tourist comments.

And finally bye, bye Palma:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/PMI07/PMI07040.jpg

It was our machine, my second ride on this particular plane, welcomed by a real friendly female FA. Some 50 seats empty, mainly in the back of the plane, so a real
comfortable flight. Bright grey fabric seats, legroom much better than on the outbound leg.
Total six FA´s, five female, one male, the three in our cabin part all friendly.
I managed no cabin shot as we boarded late and deboarded first, but my impression was once again, what a real long machine.
Detailed informations in a also friendly way from the Captain, Alf Kohler today, pilot flying was the FO Alexander Ott. He explained the delay with the planes strong schedule, three returns to PMI today.
Nearly no time to wait for departure from runway 06R after an AB A320 and followed by another AB B738 to Marseilles-far east from Geneva-Zurich and STR.
Flight level 36.000 ft.
Service: A freed bread roll, non alcoholic drinks, sweets. Time goes by quick, the route was quite fast and so we arrived with only 15 minutes delay real hard,
like a wake up sign for the pax, on runway 25 back home in STR.
Only some minutes for the bags and home by car.



So, thumps up for Spanair, I expected not to much for my first full charter flight after a real long time, state-of-the-art aircraft, friendly FA´s, service more than expected.
Negative from my point of view was the low legroom, 180 seats in the A320, not bad for the company and the lack of statement from the flightdeck.
Don´t get me wrong, but I always prefer to hear that there is a real human in front.
The Condor service was comfortable, friendly FA´s, especially the female with the seat in the rear galley, not bad, we will see what´s going on there with DE´s 753´s,
the outsorcing to Cirrus is cancelled, sounds like an interesting upcoming summer season for DE and its passengers.
And what about Mallorca, perfect with its whole tourisitc infrastructure, we had two nice days there.
Last the statement from my son: What about another trip next weekend?.

Comments always welcome,
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:41 am

Hi Markus,

I was surprised to read an other report from you that early - I had expected you to be in London this weekend, but obviously you changed to a sunnier destination.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
All annoucements in german only, the purser asked if there is a pax in need of english informations on the flight,
surely no one!.

This is really surprising - I wouldn't have expected that on a foreign carrier.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Last the statement from my son: What about another trip next weekend?.

I guess your son somehow gets used to travelling around.  Smile

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Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:06 am

Hello, Christoph,
thanx for your reply.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 1):
I had expected you to be in London this weekend,

The wheather forecast for London was not the best and that offer beat´s the LH Ready to Fly fares,
so we decided for this one.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 1):
This is really surprising - I wouldn't have expected that on a foreign carrier.

Me too, especially when I saw that huge number of cars with french plates in the parking lots,
but no one asked for english announcements.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 1):
guess your son somehow gets used to travelling around.

We will see, whats going on!.

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Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:12 am

Hi Markus!

It is always a treat to read your trip report. Very precise, with lots of information. Simply perfect, as usual.

It is always fascinating to see how Palma is popular among German tourists.

A bit off topic, I don't know if you'vve heard, but Germanwings began its STR-BEG-STR service, too.

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Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:21 am

Hello, Aleksandar,

thanx for your nice reply.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 3):
It is always fascinating to see how Palma is popular among German tourists.

I do not know if Germany or the UK send the largest group to Mallorca, but its still amazing.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 3):
but Germanwings began its STR-BEG-STR service, too.

Yes, I know, maybe a future destination for my log!.

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Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:23 am

Hallo Markus!

Thank you for this nice report. Spanair is indeed not bad at all when it comes to 'service'. I also got a good impression on them last year when I flew BIO-BCN. Although I had the luck to get a MD-80 for my ride.
Regarding the legroom on the A320: also MP from Holland gets 180 pax in the cabin  Sad Really poor legroom, from my own experience. That's why I will opt for the 'comfort class' whenever possible, just to get some more 'air'  Smile

The Soller-train. It's a real nice ride! We took this same train a couple of years back, and it gives some beautiful views on the Mallorca landscape. Soller is an interesting Spanish little town, nice square, good orange juices there  Wink

Back on the B753, how nice! I wish I was able to fly one, but that's for some reason rather difficult for me. Do you know if it's possible to fly one domestically in Germany on DE?

My PMI visit later this month will also be done with a SIXT car. I booked a cheap 'Smart' so I'll see what I can get Big grin Last time I was at Mallorca I ended up with a large Renault Megane Scenic, although I booked the cheapest class Big grin It's just one big surprise when it comes to car rental!

When is your next journey? Then I can tune on at airliners.net and wait for your next story  Wink

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Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:46 am

Hi Marcus, another trip so soon, heck, you and your son are really getting about!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Main target was to "ride" the historc Soller train,

-Interesting, I'll be im Palma in July, will have to look into this, thanks.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Last the statement from my son: What about another trip next weekend?.

- Yep, a real traveller!

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 5):
It's just one big surprise when it comes to car rental!

- I work in car rental, no surprise to me!

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Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:34 pm

When you said 'Spanair full charter and the flying pencil' I was expecting a Spanair MD80!

Still, nice report and photos. It is a long time since I have flown into PMI, however like you I have experieced both a Spanair charter and Condor out of PMI. Actually, the Condor flight I took was to STR too.

Many thanks for sharing.
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:30 pm

Servus Markus,

very nice report which is specifically useful this time because I will soon fly JK to ACE. And after reading some rather negative comments on different websites it was good to read about your positive experience with JK. Though, 180 seats is ridiculous for a full Star Alliance member...


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Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:55 pm

Another great read, thanks Markus! Considering it was last minute, I think you got a pretty good fare. It seems strange to see a photo of a Spanair airbus - I expect them all to be MD90s!

I had a holiday in Majorca a couple of years ago and enjoyed it very much. I guess you just have to avoid the big tourist traps. Would love to return, in particular to see the mountainous northern part, so it was great to hear about your trip to Soller.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
I asked for window/middle in the back of the plane, result: Aisle and middle in front


 laughing 

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Don´t get me wrong, but I always prefer to hear that there is a real human in front

Quite agree with you. I think some of the most enjoyable flights are those where you get lots of information from the flight deck.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Last the statement from my son: What about another trip next weekend?.

Why not?!

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Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:05 pm

Hi Markus,

Yet another pleasure to read about your travelling! It was again great fun to read your detailed story.
It seems that Mini-Flieger is enjoying every minute of his trips Big grin
Also funny is that I flew on the very same pencil from PMI to Germany,although my routing was to FRA 2 years ago.

Thank you again for sharing!

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Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:59 pm

Hi Markus,

again a nice report, our home airport sees a lot of trip reports lately, thanks to your travelling.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
He dont´accepted my Miles and More Card, later I read that departure from germany is necessary for a DE credit.

Yes, I also found out about this rule last year when I flew DE LPA-STR

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 5):
Regarding the legroom on the A320: also MP from Holland gets 180 pax in the cabin Really poor legroom, from my own experience. That's why I will opt for the 'comfort class' whenever possible, just to get some more 'air'

Slightly off-topic, but just out of curiosity: If they have 180 seats on the A320 - how do they get a "comfort class" on that plane? Wouldn't this mean that the seat pitch in the Economy cabin would become even less then?

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Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:06 am

Hola and thanx all for your replys.

Eric:

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 5):
if it's possible to fly one domestically in Germany on DE?

Difficult during the summer, no problem during the winter hub services, for example
FRA-MUC was mostly operated last winter with the 753.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 5):
although I booked the cheapest class It's just one big surprise when it comes to car rental!

Me too, this time the Peugeot with 600 km´s total.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 5):
When is your next journey?

Not more scheduled than the weekend in Hamburg, like my signature, but I received a invitation for a strategic company meeting that special Saturday last week, so rebooking or a cancellation will be the answer.

Mark:

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 6):
-Interesting, I'll be im Palma in July, will have to look into this, thanks.

Sure an interesting ride, do it!.

Ian:

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 7):
was expecting a Spanair MD80!

I hoped for that one!


PH:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
180 seats is ridiculous for a full Star Alliance member...

I agree, but when I follow the pix on A.net the plane is mainly used on charter rotations, so no big
difference to UK/Scandinavia or other operators.


Infodesk:

Quoting Infodesk (Reply 9):
I think you got a pretty good fare.

Yep, not bad from my point of view during the school vacation time.

Quoting Infodesk (Reply 9):
had a holiday in Majorca a couple of years ago and enjoyed it very much. I guess you just have to avoid the big tourist traps.

Yes, that was also important for me to avoid that points.

Quoting Infodesk (Reply 9):
think some of the most enjoyable flights are those where you get lots of information from the flight deck.

100% my point of view!.

Quoting Infodesk (Reply 9):
Why not?!

I will see tomorrow what happened in the office and than, maybe!.

Joost:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 10):
It seems that Mini-Flieger is enjoying every minute of his trips

Hope that will be also so on our possible future trips.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 10):
Also funny is that I flew on the very same pencil from PMI to Germany

Interesting coincidence, it seems that machine has a lot of PMI visits in his log.

Alex:

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 11):
again a nice report, our home airport sees a lot of trip reports lately, thanks to your travelling.

I will do my best!

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 11):
Yes, I also found out about this rule last year when I flew DE LPA-STR

Silly, now I know why they credit me return miles on a oneway STR-LPA but no miles for a oneway departing not from Germany.

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Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:38 am

Spanair has really gone downhill lately, so it is nice to read such a positive feedback. I am really surprised that you got free catering -- it is now BOB for sheduled legs.

A nice report. I've never been to Mallorca. It seems it is easier to book from any german airport than from my hometown in mainland Spain ,LOL  Smile but actually i might fly there for a short break sometime this summer.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 11):
Slightly off-topic, but just out of curiosity: If they have 180 seats on the A320 - how do they get a "comfort class" on that plane? Wouldn't this mean that the seat pitch in the Economy cabin would become even less then?

Yes basically you're correct here indeed. MP's max config in full Y for the A320 is 180 seats, as they were originally delivered like that. Nowadays they offer 'Comfort Class' as well, meaning a smaller total in the aircraft, but as far as I know it may vary per flight and demand for both classes.
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:04 am

Hello, Taichen,
also thanx for your nice reply.

Quoting Taichen (Reply 13):
free catering -- it is now BOB for sheduled legs.

I was also surprised, while I had some scheduled legs on JK with BOB on all flights.

Quoting Taichen (Reply 13):
It seems it is easier to book from any german airport than from my

It seems so, lots of flight opportunities from all around germany to PMI this summer,
but nevertheless a nice place to go.

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Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:07 am

Hello, Eric,

thanx for the further information.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 14):
MP's max config in full Y for the A320 is 180 seats,

AFAIK, a total of 180 seats is the absolute max. for the A320.

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Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:58 pm

Very nice report as usual, Markus!  Smile

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 15):
Quoting Taichen (Reply 13):
free catering -- it is now BOB for sheduled legs.

I was also surprised, while I had some scheduled legs on JK with BOB on all flights.

No surprise at all, because the tour operator, who has chartered the aircraft, decides wether to include a meal or not. The airline has no say in this question, as long as they get their money, they serve you whatever the tour operator wants.
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Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:23 am

Hello, Jens,

thanx for your reply and the further information.
I expected not to much, but was nevertheless surprised about it.

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Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:32 am

Hi Markus.

Thank you for another great TR.

It seems that you travel much. How many miles have you travelled so far this year

Looking forward for your coming TR's
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Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:53 am

Hello, Gabriel,
thanx for your reply.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 19):
It seems that you travel much. How many miles have you travelled so far this year

Don´t really know, but more will be better.

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