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Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:54 am

Into the flood, or not?:BHX ex FRA


Hello, dear readers,
I´am a bit in arrears in posting reports, too much travel during the last weeks!.
I will start a summer series of storys with a recent trip to BHX from FRA.
The two weeks ahead to our stay there, shows heavy rain in the mid-england area, also some suburbs of Birmingham
are affected, but when I checked the city news, there was nothing viewable, so we decided to go into the flood, or not!.



Saturday, 28.07.2007
FRA (Frankfurt-Rhein-Main) - BHX (Birmingham-International)
Duration: 1 hour 25 minutes
LH 4902 operated by Lufthansa B 737-500 D-ABIU
Scheduled: 12.05 // 12.40
Actual: 12.15 // 12.40
Gate: B55 Seat: 20E
Loadfactor: Around 80 %
Fare: 47,63 EUROS per pax per leg

History:
23.05.1991: Delivered to LH

Leg no. 20 on the 737-500 and the first on this particular machine.

There was no strike action announced from Deutsche Bahn, so we started this trip as scheduled by car to Park and Ride Stuttgart Albstraße,
subway was included in the park ticket and further by the ICE High-Speed train, departure 08.51 am to FRA airport with a connection at Mannheim.
It was the starter weekend for the south german school holiday sason, so you know what I mean when I say, the trains are good loaded,
no free seats available on both legs. Ontime arrival at FRA airport, around 10.00 am.
Online check-in was ok for me, both once again not for my son. I called the help-desk and a friendly girl there secured us two seats beneath,
the boarding passes will be printed during baggage drop-off. Not more than five minutes to wait at the LH counter directly at FRA´s long distance train station,
bags dropped off, boarding passes printed with the announced seats and on the way to clear security.
Not more than five minutes more to wait there and near the gate at around 10.45 am.
B55 is a bus one, at the ground level, you´re only allowed to enter this area with 3 or 4 gates after another security check, no restroom there.
We decided to walk around some more minutes, but no quiet places around to sit back and view the planes. Lots of people there, so we passed security
and waited for boarding. At the gate beneath was an overbooked LH service to Edinburgh handled, 350.-- EURO vouchers or 200.-- EUR cash for any volunteer to leave the flight!.
Boarding started ontime, the plane was parked down the way to runway 18, near the LH cargo area.
The announced B737-500 waited for us, a new one for my log!.

How to board D-ABIU at FRA:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07001.jpg

D-ABIU again:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07002.jpg

Three nice and friendly female FA´s on this service. The captain welcomed us with a short notice during boarding.
The plane clean, fitted with the dark grey leather seats.
Departure from runway 25R to CGN-BRU-LON. Flightlevel 28.000 ft.

Belgium, near the channel:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07004.jpg

We reached the channel:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07005.jpg

More detailed informations from the FO during our cruise.
A bread roll and beverages for free.
Arrival on runway 33 at BHX ontime, sunny wheather, but lots of water was viewabale during descent.
The train service to New Street station was interrupted according to the bad wheather the last days.
A huge, long line of people waited at the station for the bus replacement service. We´re short in time, so I decided to throw my money out of the window and take
a cab to our hotel, shocking 28.-- pounds, real good business, not for us, but for the driver.
We stayed at the Radisson SAS, a recommendable place to go there.

My son, entering Birmingham ThinkTank:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07009.jpg

The worlds oldest active steam engine, designed by James Watt:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07010.jpg

Nice place to rest, under the Spitfire:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07012.jpg

How to compare old and new:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07016.jpg

The Bullring again:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07020.jpg

City Hall:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07025.jpg

City Hall again:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07026.jpg




Sunday, 29.07.2007
BHX ( Birmingham- International) - FRA (Frankfurt-Rhein-Main)
Duration: 1 hour 40 minutes
LH 4903 operated by Lufthansa B737-500 D-ABIU
Scheduled: 13.40 // 16.15
Actual: 14.05 // 16.45
Gate: 54 Seat: 21B
Loadfactor: Near 100 %

Dont forget statistics, leg no. 21 on thr 737-500 and the second on this machine.

No way, to spend my money to the cab drivers again, we´re gone to New Street station at around 11.00 am, I thought early enough for our
departure. 4,35 pounds for the bus service to BHX airport, ok so far, but not when I saw the long line of people waiting, ok, we joined the queue.
We made it to the second bus, departure 11.30 am. Good job, that will be my comment, when I want to view the suburns and industrial areas of Birmingham.
But today, I do not write the word down, nearly one hour to reach all that train stations by bus and finally at the airport to leave that packed vehicle at around
12.30 am. Three desks open, no time to wait, no more window seat available, we secured seats in the last row.
Also no time to wait at security.
BHX is one, if not the dumpest place I´ve been for plane spotters, only one window to reach from the "wait in lounge area", I know this from another visit there.
The plane was parked, but nevertheless the gate was announced only around 20 minutes ahead to departure.

D-ABIU at the gate at BHX:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07029.jpg

Nice visitor from India:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07030.jpg

One male, two female FA´s this time.
I noticed the open flightdeck door during boarding. Soon after boarding was finished, the captain entered the cabin and informed us personally, IMO a nice touch,
about a wheather related delay. Heavy winds above mainland europe, that means lower slots at Brussels and more distance between the approaching planes
at FRA. He expected about 45 minutes to wait till engine start up. So it was.
Beverages and sweets are served on the ground.
The nice french guy switched to the aisle seat, so my son had the window again.
Later a departure from runway 33 to LON-BRU and CGN. No info about the flight level.

London:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07032.jpg

Service again a free bread roll and some beverages.
Some more informations about wheather and arrivals at FRA from the FO during approach.
Touchdown around 30 minutes late on runway 25R. Short, but nevertheless ok to reach our train back home.
Again a bus gate, far away from the terminal, at the belts at around 5 pm, silly FRA people, BHX bags announced as delivered, but we had more than 15 minutes to wait
till a single bag comes up.
No chance to catch the train. That means to buy a new ticket, while the other was only good for the booked service.
But positive things up, we´re gone to T2 by the Skyline and had some nice views outside there from the McD. restaurant.

D-ABIU pictured from the Skyline:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/BHX07/BHX07033.jpg

So, time for my opinion.
Birmingham was ok to stay these two days, sure not my favourite city around Europe. To much old an dirty places there.
BHX airport is oldfashioned and for sure, not the place for spotters.
LH offers friendly service, the delay was wheather related and not LH´s fault, no problem to go with LH again.
And my opinion about the B735, I like it, especially when I read about possible replacements around LH´s fleet.

Comment´s welcome,
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RE: Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:41 am

good trip report. I really liked the picture of London from the air... Good job...
Thank you for sharing this report.
 
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RE: Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:56 am

Hello, Saurabh,
thanx for your reply.

Quoting Buck3y3nut (Reply 1):
I really liked the picture of London from the air...

No clouds, perfect routing, lucky seat selection = nice pic


 Wink

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RE: Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:01 am

Hi Markus,

Another great report, many thanks.

Birmingham, interesting place to visit, not one I would choose to be honest.

Shame you had the same plane on the way back, I hate that, really annoyes me.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
At the gate beneath was an overbooked LH service to Edinburgh handled, 350.-- EURO vouchers or 200.-- EUR cash for any volunteer to leave the flight!.

- Not bad at all if you could take the next flight!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
BHX airport is oldfashioned and for sure, not the place for spotters.

- Airside is poor, but there is a spotters area landslide, views are reasonable though not as good as German airports, they are just superb!

Best Wishes

Mark

BTW, is it true FRA's Terrace has re-opened?

Tx

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RE: Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:12 am

Hello, Mark,
thanx for your reply.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 3):
Shame you had the same plane on the way back, I hate that, really annoyes me.

Me too, it happened especially on LH for several times now.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 3):
BTW, is it true FRA's Terrace has re-opened?

Don´t know, but I will go from FRA next week again, time for a personal check!.

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RE: Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:28 am

Hi Markus (and little FLIEGER)  Wink

Good report from your BHX experience.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
BHX airport is oldfashioned

Agreed!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
and for sure, not the place for spotters.

Have been there spotting twice, and found an interesting and good place within walking distance from the terminal building. It's about the beginning of one of the runway ends.

the '' we reached the Channel '' picture is actually showing 'Zeeland', South-West part of The Netherlands, the area which was actually flooded in 1953. After this tragic flood, the so called 'Deltawerken' (dikes, briges with stormbreakers etc) were build and one of them in visible in your picture. To be exact, it's the most famous one: 'Oosterschelde-Kering' with the 'Neeltje Jans', and your picture also shows the cities of Middelburg and Vlissingen! Very nice  Smile

So actually, you didn't reach the Channel, but the North Sea  Wink

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Dont forget statistics, leg no. 21 on thr 737-500 and the second on this machine.

Within 2 weeks from now, I'll have 2 B735 rides scheduled, also on LH. To be first time LH, but not the first 735 Big grin

Gruß
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Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:17 pm

Hi Markus,

another well written trip report. Good read as usual and great pictures as well.

Cheers from Brisbane,

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RE: Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:42 pm

Hi Markus!

Well, this plane looks familiar to me. In fact, very often Lufthansa's 735s can be seen here in Belgrade.

Do you have any photos of the interior of the plane?

Oh, those fares seem incredibly good. In fact, they are almost in LCC range. Quite amazing.

Thanks again for nice TR.


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Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:41 am

Hello, again,


Eric:

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 5):
it's the most famous one: 'Oosterschelde-Kering' with the 'Neeltje Jans', and your picture also shows the cities of Middelburg and Vlissingen! Very nice

Thanx for the detailed further informations, these area looks great from above and it sounds really interesting according to your
explanation.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 5):
To be first time LH, but not the first 735

That will be a nice read from your point of view  Smile


Peter:

Thanx for your reply,
greetz to downunder  Smile


Aleksandar:

Also thanx to your reply.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 7):
Do you have any photos of the interior of the plane?

No, I don´t do a pic, it was similar to the other LH 73´s I was on before.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 7):
Oh, those fares seem incredibly good. In fact, they are almost in LCC range. Quite amazing.

My son helped to bring them down.
LH offers one child together with one adult to pay taxes and fees only.

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RE: Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 3):
Airside is poor, but there is a spotters area landslide,

The Servisair lounge (I think they run it) in T1 airside has a similar view.

Glad to see you had at least some blue sky in the Midlands!
 
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RE: Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:41 am

Hello, Rogbi200,

thanx for your reply and the information.

Quoting Rogbi200 (Reply 9):
Glad to see you had at least some blue sky in the Midlands!

The wheather was not bad at all, windy but dry during our stay.

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Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 4):
Don´t know, but I will go from FRA next week again, time for a personal check!.

- Great, let me know what you find  Smile

Best Wishes

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RE: Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:56 am

Hello, Mark,

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 11):
Great, let me know what you find

Sure, fixed on my schedule  Wink

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Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:31 am

Hey Markus , another nice TR as usual. I always watch out for your reports and love to read them.

Thanks again

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Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:23 am

Hey, Philip,

thanx for your nice reply.

Your signature shows also some interesting things.
Hope to read something about it in the near future.

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RE: Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:20 pm

Hi Markus,

interesting report with some nice pictures once again! LH seemed to offer a good product for a very attractive fare.

Your pictures of Birmingham reminded me of my short visit there last year, when STR-BHX was still served by BA.

If you should go to BHX again, I really recommend to visit the viewing area which can be reached from the terminal building - like other members have already mentioned. It offers good views to the apron and runway - I spent quite some time there during my visit.

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RE: Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:58 pm

]

Quoting Flieger67 (Reply 4):
Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 3):
BTW, is it true FRA's Terrace has re-opened?

Don´t know, but I will go from FRA next week again, time for a personal check!.

Hi there!

Just to inform you two (and maybe others)

The Visitors Terrace at T2 has re-opened. I was there at Saturday 11.08.07 and got a nice little sunburn....... Wow!

BTW: Nice report, as usual!

Regards Andreas (P51Mustang)

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RE: Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:57 pm

Very interesting and highly enjoyable trip report as usual, Markus!

Our Dutch friends might want to complain that you have actually extended Belgium's border quite a bit northward in your comments regarding the Schelde estuary.  Wink
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RE: Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:36 pm

Hi Markus,

Another nice report of your adventures around Europe with MiniFlieger  Smile
It seems that you've experienced a standard, but nevertheless good LH service on both legs.
BHX seems a fairly nice city, although it would not be my first choice, but hey, how much choice is left for you  Smile
I enjoyed the read, and hope to read more of you soon  Smile

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 17):
Our Dutch friends might want to complain that you have actually extended Belgium's border quite a bit northward

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Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:05 am

Hello, again and thanx for your replys.


Christoph:

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 15):
when STR-BHX was still served by BA.

Nowadays Flybe with always high fares!

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 15):
to visit the viewing area which can be reached from the terminal

Thanx, noticed for maybe another stay there.


Andreas:

Quoting P51Mustang (Reply 16):
The Visitors Terrace at T2 has re-opened. I was there at Saturday 11.08.07 and got a nice little sunburn.......

Thanx for the further information about FRA.
I will check it next week.


Jens:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 17):
Our Dutch friends might want to complain that you have actually extended Belgium's border quite a bit northward in

I will never do that again, hope they forgive me
 Wink

Joost:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 18):
how much choice is left for you

Lot´s of never before visited places, time to go immediatelly again
 Wink

Quoting DALCE (Reply 18):
hope to read more of you soon

I´am working on some more reports!

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RE: Into The Flood, Or Not?: BHX Ex FRA

Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:30 am

Lovely pictures from up above, but sorry to read about the delays getting to and from the airport. I sure love the way you see much in the way of sights and museums during your trips.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Birmingham was ok to stay these two days, sure not my favourite city around Europe. To much old an dirty places there.
BHX airport is oldfashioned and for sure, not the place for spotters.

My impressions of BHX when I flew in there last year were also not favourable. And yes, there are nicer cities to visit in England - fly to MAN and hop on the train to Chester - my home town and a real historical place to look around. Or York, both quite similar cities.

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Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:40 am

Hello, Infodesk,
thanx for another nice reply.

Quoting Infodesk (Reply 20):
much in the way of sights and museums during your trips.

It´s always important, especially when I´am on travel with my son, to go for a special aim.

Quoting Infodesk (Reply 20):
fly to MAN and hop on the train to Chester - my home town and a real historical place to look around.

For sure, not that far from my thoughts, MAN is still missing in my log and good to reach from STR/FRA/BSL.
And I (we) like the UK, so maybe...

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