Topic Author
Posts: 3967
Joined: Fri Apr 21, 2000 5:03 am

ROC-BWI On AirTran (With Pictures)

Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:35 pm

Dear Gang,

Tonight I write my first trip report involving my home airport, ROC. I live in Washington D.C., and earlier this month I flew home to see friends and family in Rochester. The land of Wegmans super-grocery stores, Abbott’s Frozen Custard, Nick Tahou’s Garbage Plate, and the House of Guitars! I fly AirTran for my regular trips home; they offer three daily mainline flights from BWI to Rochester, and low fares.

On this trip, I took their 8:55pm flight home, departing at dusk and arriving well after dark, so I didn’t take photos for a trip report. That flight, FL 421, left 40 minutes late and arrived at Rochester 15 minutes late. AirTran like other carriers pads their schedules, so when my flights have departed BWI on time, I’ve arrived at ROC 15 and even 20 minutes early.

My trip back to D.C., however, was on their 6:11pm departure. Plenty of daylight—though cloudy as it turned out—for pictures for a trip report.

AirTran Airways Flight 402
Greater Rochester, NY International (ROC) to Baltimore-Washington International (BWI)

Wednesday, August 22, 2007

Departure Gate at ROC: A1
Arrival Gate at BWI: D1
Scheduled Departure: 6:11pm
Actual Departure: 6:11pm
Scheduled Arrival: 7:20pm
Actual Arrival 7:10pm
Load Factor: 70 percent
Seat: 14A

Arrival at the Airport. My parents dropped me off at ROC at 5:10pm. ROC is a medium-size terminal, serving a catchment area of about 1.3 million people and handling just under 3 million passengers per year. Here’s a picture I took of the landside facade of ROC in 2000. Even at rush hour you can usually pull up to the curb and find a space.

Check-In. There were only three people ahead of me at the AirTran ticket counter, so I waited only five minutes to check in. AirTran’s counter personnel were friendly and efficient, as they always have been in my experience. There aren't usually more than three of them working the counter at ROC, but they hustle, and even when the line's long I've never waited more than 15 minutes.

In-Lobby Luggage Scan. I checked my one bag, and took it to drop off at the TSA explosives-scanning machines which like at many small/medium airports are in the lobby. I watched the agent rub down the suitcase with a cloth, and then put it on the conveyor. I always sit at a nearby waiting area and watch in case they open it, in case they drop my undies all over the place or something. Not that I'd be able to do anything about it, but I prefer to watch until I see the suitcase closed, latched, and going behind the wall on the conveyor.

Here’s a shot of Rochester’s ticket lobby, also taken in 2000, before the explosive-scanning machines were set up:

Before Security. I had an hour until flight time, so I walked out to the curb to take a shot of the AirTran 737-700 I had seen as my parents and I drove up. AirTran had only flown their 717 aircraft to Rochester from their entry in 2002 until this year. I knew they were bringing larger 73G’s to ROC with the LAS service that started on August 16, but according to a counter agent, they use the aircraft to ATL and from MCO as well. Here’s some rush-hour ramp action at Concourse A, seen from the departures roadway.

The JetBlue aircraft portrayed was headed to JFK and it was delayed...surprise! While I was at the airport I heard delay announcements for B6 to JFK, CO to EWR, and US to PHL. Typical summer day in the Northeast.

Security. Rochester has a rectangular terminal with two concourses jutting off the airside corners, and a big atrium concessions lobby in between. Each concourse used to have its own security checkpoint.

In 2005 Monroe County installed a single consolidated security checkpoint in the middle of the terminal, between the banks of ticket counters. Despite my brilliantly-written letter to the editor urging against this step (so that the nice concession atrium with its great apron view would remain open to nonpassengers, and I thought keep more business) the County built it anyway. Aren’t they supposed to listen to Airliners.net armchair airport managers?

Tonight there was only one out of six lanes open, plus the ‘puffer machine’ lane. Despite the time of day I only waited about 10 minutes to go through. I was not singled out for special screening.

Inside Security. After the security checkpoint you enter the above-mentioned attractive concession atrium with a great view of the apron. I walked around in the concessions atrium and searched the two gift shops in vain for a SkyMarks 1:200 model United 747-400 in new all-blue-and-white colors. They had only 777s so I didn’t bite. We hobbyists are so picky.   Here’s a shot of the now-inside-security atrium.

The food options are nicely varied for a medium-size airport—a local Italian pizza and calzone place called Famous Famiglia; McDonald’s, a local Applebee’s-ish place called Goody Goody’s, and a branch of a brew pub in B Concourse.

Northwest flies its DC-9’s into Rochester. Here’s a -50 at Gate B3, being prepared for a flight to Detroit-Wayne County (DTW). This a/c is a -50, so you know it proudly wore Herman the Duck on its tail back in the North Central days!

After the atrium, you walk down curved ramps in a rotunda to get to your concourse. AirTran is located, along with US Airways and Jet Blue, in the Frederick Douglass Concourse A. Two of Rochester's most famous historical figures are abolitionist Douglass, and women’s rights activist Susan B. Anthony. B Concourse is named for her. Here’s a view down A concourse.

During the past year, the original 1992 carpet was ripped out of the A concourse corridor and replaced with the terrazzo floor seen in the photo. Terrazzo floors seem to be an in-thing at airports now. The neat thing about terrazzo of course is that you can do artistic things with it—bright colors like the new floors at MCI, or the multiple patterned artworks like the floors at DCA.

So what did they do at ROC, where the terminal is mostly light gray? They installed....(drum roll).....an almost patternless light gray floor! Why on earth spend money on terrazzo if you’re going to waste it like that?

The seating areas in the A concourse waiting areas also got new (navy blue, ok some color) carpets and black seats; AirTran replaced some of the rows of seats with circular tables and chairs, probably for people with laptops to use the free wireless. Didn’t get a shot of them. FRA has that setup too. The new row-seating chairs are comfortable.

My Aircraft. Here is the Boeing 717-200 that operated my flight. Sorry, didn’t get the reg number.

Boarding. AirTran, like a lot of carriers, has been experimenting with various boarding procedures to see what’s fastest. Right now they’re using a zone system; I was in 14A, in zone 5. Business and preboard must automatically get Zone 1, as neither was called by name on either flight; just zone 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Didn’t seem any faster or slower than calling row numbers to me.

Aircraft. I always want a window seat. AirTran allows you to reserve a seat when you book if you pay a higher fare. If you get a low fare bucket, you have to log into you reservation a day before the flight and choose your seat. But this time, despite my low fare bucket, I got my 14A when I booked. Have they changed the policy?

Here’s my Y class seat space with AirTran’s tight 30-inch pitch. I’m 5’11.5” and I fit it just fine. My knees are up a bit here because my fat briefcase bag is taking all the foot space under my seat.

Flight and Service. We pushed back on time and taxiied to the most distant runway at ROC—Runway 4, almost two miles from the terminal. JetBlue was still delayed at the terminal—D’OH! Flight 43, supposed to leave for JFK at 5:10, was still sitting at the gate at 6:10. Maybe JetBlue’s lively FA’s are singing Carly Simon’s “Anticipation” to the passengers.

Here’s a photo from a previous ROC-BWI AirTran flight of turning onto the Rwy 4 piano keys:

Here’s what the terminal would look like from takeoff, I was on the wrong side of the plane to get it. This photo was also taken on a previous AirTran ROC-BWI flight:


We turned left and circled around over the airport as we turned to fly south towards Baltimore. Unfortunately there was too much ground haze and cloud cover and my photos were poor. So here’s how the same angle looked from my ROC-BWI AirTran flight in June:

And here’s the cloud soup I got to look at most of the way to Baltimore:

Food and beverage service was standard AirTran Y class: Free chardonnay or merlot, and one’s choice of baked chicken and rice with salad and brownie for dessert, or vegetarian stir-fried vegetables, served shortly after takeoff, with a second meal consisting of hot meat breakfast sandwhich and fruit, while approaching over Harrisburg.....oops, I’m thinking of Y class fare on my Lufthansa flight from JFK to FRA in March. My bad.  

AirTran serves standard domestic USA Y class fare: free soft drinks, coffee, water, or juice, and pretzels, and alcoholic drinks at extra cost. I got club soda; too late in the day for caffeine, and I don’t waste my carbs on soda pop. Didn’t eat the pretzels either.

Arrival and Baggage Claim. I talked with the passenger next to me for most of the flight, so I didn’t get a touchdown shot at BWI, or a shot of the terminal. AirTran has been moving around in Concourse D while they work on apron pavement, and renovate gate areas. We arrived at gate B1 ten minutes early. Here are D1 and D3 with AirTran a/c, seen from a Continental 737-500 that I flew on a trip from CLE-BWI in June.

After disembarking the aircraft, I exited the concourse and went down the escalator to the baggage area. The friend who was picking me up called and let me know he was on the way. Here’s AirTran’s nondescript baggage claim carousel, no. 13.

My experience has been that if you arrive at BWI in the evening on AirTran, you may wait a bit for your bag—15 or 20 minutes or so after arriving at the carousel. Tonight I waited about 20 minutes at the carousel. Another flight’s bags were being distributed as I arrived. Fortunately BWI has a cell phone lot, so my friend pulled in there and awaited my call. I called upon recovery of my bag, and he picked me up at the curb and we headed for DC.

Conclusion. Overall, a satisfactory experience at a reasonable price ($59 altogether because I used frequent-flyer credit for one way). AirTran offers clean mainline aircraft and efficient, helpful, friendly staff. BWI is not a congested airport, which helps reduce the likelihood of delay. I won't complain about waiting 5 or 10 extra minutes for baggage, considering these advantages. AirTran doesn't have the ‘culture of fun’ that Southwest has, but the staff get the job done well. Check-in and boarding procedures work well, you get an assigned seat, and onboard radio at no extra cost if you want it. I regularly fly AirTran and am very satisfied with their service.


[Edited 2007-08-30 05:50:42]

[Edited 2007-08-30 05:52:56]
Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
Posts: 3313
Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:12 am

RE: ROC-BWI On AirTran (With Pictures)

Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:09 pm

Excellent report! Great details of the terminal and the flights. They kept me very interested. Good pics as well.
I love ASO!
Posts: 478
Joined: Mon Apr 10, 2000 12:44 am

RE: ROC-BWI On AirTran (With Pictures)

Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:38 am

great trip report!!

i loved seeing something from my home airport!
do what you like . like what you do . life is good
Posts: 488
Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:59 am

RE: ROC-BWI On AirTran (With Pictures)

Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:07 pm

I took Jetblue from ROC-JFK-LAS, and I certainly found it to be a MUCH better facility with more food choices than BUF. I will try to make the drive to ROC from my home in Markham more often, and then stay in a motel or something over night. This was a real nice airport, even at 5:00 a.m.!! Great shots of ROC. Now I have a general idea how it looks from the sky. The rounded off concourses are shaped kinda like EWR's Concourse A in Terminal C, don't you think?
Great photos!
J.I. Tsui, American Advantage Member, United Mileage Plus (Premier)
Topic Author
Posts: 3967
Joined: Fri Apr 21, 2000 5:03 am

RE: ROC-BWI On AirTran (With Pictures)

Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:24 am

Thank you to all for your compliments. ROC is a really nice airport to fly in and out of. It's not congested, walking distances aren't long, and you usually don't have to wait long for your bag (though later at night you might wait an extra 5-10 minutes). It's a good enthusiast's terminal because there are good views from everywhere-atrium, gate areas, and the new landside viewing area built to replace the public access lost to the concession atrium.

I do wish the short-term parking was in the garage though. They moved it outside some time ago---late 90's maybe? to free up space in the garage to compete with privately-operated off-airport long-term lots. Get businessmen on expense accounts to pay a few extra bucks to put their car in the garage.

Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
Topic Author
Posts: 3967
Joined: Fri Apr 21, 2000 5:03 am

RE: ROC-BWI On AirTran (With Pictures)

Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:33 am

AA767lover--forgot to note, yes, it does look like EWR. I remember thinking that when this terminal was built, five years after EWR C's concourses opened. But no conga line of 20 ERJ's waiting to take off! Big grin


[Edited 2007-08-31 19:35:24]
Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
Posts: 2256
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:09 pm

RE: ROC-BWI On AirTran (With Pictures)

Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:40 am

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Thread starter):
My experience has been that if you arrive at BWI in the evening on AirTran, you may wait a bit for your bag—15 or 20 minutes or so after arriving at the carousel.

The same happens to UA flights at #14, regardless of what time of the day it is. The irony is that carousel 14 is about as close as it gets to UA's gates.

DC-8 61/63/71 DC-9-30/50 MD-80/82/83 DC-10-10/30 MD-11 717 721/2 732/3/4/5/G/8/9 741/2/4 752 762/3 777 A306/319/20/33 AT
User avatar
Posts: 6454
Joined: Fri Nov 24, 2000 11:11 am

RE: ROC-BWI On AirTran (With Pictures)

Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:35 am

Nice report,Jim . I haven't flown since July 06  Sad So,I didn't know they ripped the carpeting out. Sometime when you come we'll have to go spotting . I have 2 great spots. I even was treated by respect (!!!) by the MCSD when they rolled up on me at the Carpenters' Union earlier this month.
Champagne For My Real Friends,and Real Pain For My Sham Friends
Topic Author
Posts: 3967
Joined: Fri Apr 21, 2000 5:03 am

RE: ROC-BWI On AirTran (With Pictures)

Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:13 pm

777fan--sorry to hear that. The nice thing about those 13-14 carousels is there's lots of room around them, since that's the old international arrivals area. But you do wait a bit.

United_Fan--hope you can get airborne soon! Glad to hear you're getting treated better by MCSD. The ROC website says the tunnel-building around the end of Rwy 28 is supposed to be done this fall. When I was just home the big lit 'X' still marked the runway.

I have to hand it to Monroe County for being willing to build the new landside concession and airfield viewing area once the main concession lobby was closed to nonpassengers. The new one has a great view of Rwy 22 action, even if you don't get the middle of the airfield. They didn't have to move Mr. Damelio & co (or, rather, Mr. Slaybaugh & co. at the time) to the other end of the terminal. Would that some other airports that consolidated security after 9/11 (cough---CLE!--cough, ahhem) had also built or kept some airfield viewing area on the landside!

Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
User avatar
Posts: 6454
Joined: Fri Nov 24, 2000 11:11 am

RE: ROC-BWI On AirTran (With Pictures)

Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:48 pm

Yeah,Jim,It's not for lack of wanting,but things were pretty f!@!ed up at my last job .I had to keep an eye on my finances as I didn't know if the doors were going to be open the next day I went to works. I started at a new dealer in Feb,and I'll get vaca after the 1st of the year. Looking to go to MIA or FLL to do some spotting .
Champagne For My Real Friends,and Real Pain For My Sham Friends

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos