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Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:02 am

Last Thursday I took a trip on American Eagle Toronto to Boston and back the same day on a business trip with 3 other colleagues of mine.

On the return trip to Toronto the airplane was stifling hot and the attendant told all she had addressed the problem while we waited. After a long, slow taxi, one of my colleagues complained to the attendant that it was still too hot and said he knew she had said she fixed it, but asked if she could try again.

The attendant got some attitude with him, he asked her, "What's with your attitude?" - she was silent and went off to the front, spoke with the pilot and we went to an areas, opened the doors, and my collegue was escorted off the airplane by security.

He is a bit of a whiner, but by no means irate...I can see the flight attendant having a bad day or something, but for the pilot to give the nod on delaying a flight for an hour for something like that??? They wouldn't let us off the plane, and we had to leave him there overnight. Travelling sure has changed!
 
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:11 am

i thought based on your title, you were really really good looking....
 
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:33 am

That's disgusting!!! I'm very much against suing "the American way", but this is where I'd probably call a lawyer.

Americans have gotten so paranoid that it's getting really ridiculous. I spent a lot of time in Boston this year with my girlfriend and her family and I couldn't believe how paranoid everyone was there.

Some of the things that I've heard on a daily basis:

1. Every guy with a turban was a terrorist
2. Anyone who is pissed off in an airplane is going to hijack it.
3. All people with an accent are illegals & working illegally.

etc. etc. etc.

Flying in USA after 2001 is BEYOND annoying. I try to avoid it like the plague. Too bad business takes me there quite often. Don't get me wrong, Americans are nice people but as a society this paranoia is getting out of control. Speaking of which. I saw 4 cops at Logan with M16s (or something similar)... Great, I felt safe, except all of them were standing in a circle, talking to each other, for about 30 minutes, not even glancing to see what's around them.

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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:47 am

Forgive me, but I can't help but wonder if your not telling us the full story. here's why:

1st. We're having an early winter this year, and as such it's been very cold in this part of the country (Which happens to be New London, NH / NH40 / roughly the half way point of your most likely flight path). So to have some saying it was too hot, makes me raise an eye brow in suspicion.


2nd. Since you were obviously still on the ground, I'm guessing that the air was either being supplied by an external A/C unit or the APU, Which if I remember correctly don't really have much in the way of variable temp controls (I may be wrong about that). Because of the cold weather I'd expect it the temperature to set to a hot setting, which would have eased once you got underway.

3rd. I can't help but feel the your friends request was a bit more dramatic for them to boot him off. Even if the F/A did say it was warm on the plane, I doubt a casual request to ease the temperature would have him kicked off.
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:58 am

Seems that they take pax from a/c for everything now days.............

Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
Some of the things that I've heard on a daily basis:

1. Every guy with a turban was a terrorist
2. Anyone who is pissed off in an airplane is going to hijack it.
3. All people with an accent are illegals & working illegally.

Wow, if that is true, it is amazing.!!!
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:39 am



Quoting BAalltheway (Thread starter):
The attendant got some attitude with him, he asked her, "What's with your attitude?" - she was silent and went off to the front, spoke with the pilot and we went to an areas, opened the doors, and my collegue was escorted off the airplane by security.

I am curious what happened to your colleague later on? This is quite unbelivable to be true, but might be thats the American Way?
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:55 pm



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
i thought based on your title, you were really really good looking....

Thank God someone else thought that too! Big grin
 
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:03 pm



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
i thought based on your title, you were really really good looking....

Thats what I thought. It reminded me of the WN incident

Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
1. Every guy with a turban was a terrorist

Oh yes, I remember the days when I would talk with my friend on a daily basis, and for some reason or another the police would be over
 
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:45 pm



Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
I saw 4 cops at Logan with M16s (or something similar)... Great, I felt safe, except all of them were standing in a circle, talking to each other, for about 30 minutes, not even glancing to see what's around them.

Rather typical...but theres more going on behind the scenes that you dont know...FYI only.
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:07 pm

My questions after reading all posts:

If i get on a plane and ask for something that looks unusual but reasonable, that makes me a thread for security?

So i go as a tourist to LA , Boston, Orlando or maybe NY, you will automatically think i'm an illegal worker and i want to blow up everything on my way?  Yeah sure

I think there are some limits for everything even if it was in the name of security. I've read a lot of FA's stories here... in any case i think airport controls are so strong now that when you get onboard there's a really really low chance that you are a thread.
 
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:41 pm

I don't understand why anyone is doubting the validity of this story given that it has been documented that an FA threw a toddler off a plane for repeatedly saying "bye bye plane".

Too many people on this forum believe the FA's can do no wrong. The truth is that in any group your going to have good people and idiots. Seems to me that this FA was an idiot.
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:39 pm



Quoting Pope (Reply 10):
Too many people on this forum believe the FA's can do no wrong. The truth is that in any group your going to have good people and idiots. Seems to me that this FA was an idiot.

I will generally agree with the captains decision no matter what. He has final say over an aircraft, and it should be that way. I do agree, more and more, flight attendants are dismissing the notion of service for one of power, and disagree with this, but without being there, I will ALWAYS agree with the decision of the capitan.
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:13 pm



Quoting ATCtower (Reply 11):
I will generally agree with the captains decision no matter what. He has final say over an aircraft, and it should be that way. I do agree, more and more, flight attendants are dismissing the notion of service for one of power, and disagree with this, but without being there, I will ALWAYS agree with the decision of the capitan.

If the captain is only basing his decision on the biased view of the FA then agreeing with the captain means agreeing with the FA. It seem illogical that an erroneous decision rubber stamped by the captain (IF THAT IS WHAT IN FACT OCCURED) becomes ALWAYS correct just because it was endorsed by the captain. Again, captains can make mistakes. The gold bars don't give them infallibility.

I respect that the captain is and should be the last word on board his aircraft but that doesn't mean he's right.

There is a real danger when everything is branded a security threat just because of a disagreement with a crew member.
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:51 pm



Quoting Pope (Reply 12):
If the captain is only basing his decision on the biased view of the FA then agreeing with the captain means agreeing with the FA. It seem illogical that an erroneous decision rubber stamped by the captain (IF THAT IS WHAT IN FACT OCCURED) becomes ALWAYS correct just because it was endorsed by the captain. Again, captains can make mistakes. The gold bars don't give them infallibility

I never said the captains decision was the correct one. When it comes to the lives of the other 80 or so passengers in this case, he is the one ultimatly responsible when said passenger decides he wants to be in control of more than just the attitude of a flight attendant. I will be the first one to admit captains are not infallible.

Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
suing "the American way", but this is where I'd probably call a lawyer.

If things went the contract way and not the American way, I would wish you the best of luck with your lawyer. American Airlines contract of carriage 8-6B,D, and H states you may be removed from the aircraft for this type of behavior without recourse. All airlines have similar contract of carriage clauses when purchasing a ticket. I dont have too much faith in our justice system knowing I can sue and get millions because my McDonalds coffee is hot, but still...
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:07 pm



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
i thought based on your title, you were really really good looking....

Thats why i looked at this thread...

Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
I spent a lot of time in Boston this year with my girlfriend and her family and I couldn't believe how paranoid everyone was there.

Well, there is the problem right there...Boston  duck 
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting Pope (Reply 10):
Too many people on this forum believe the FA's can do no wrong. The truth is that in any group your going to have good people and idiots. Seems to me that this FA was an idiot.

I think you've hit the nail on the head there Pope...........welcome to my respected member list


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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:37 pm

For me, being an introvert, I just don't say anything. I keep my feelings to myself and not take the airline anymore! Simple. Doesn't cost much to keep my mouth shut. Just look "satisfied" even if you're not.
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:34 am



Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 16):
For me, being an introvert, I just don't say anything. I keep my feelings to myself



Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 16):
Just look "satisfied" even if you're not.

Doing the above is the high speed road for an ulcer. If something is not right, why should you not speak up?
 
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:50 pm



Quoting Kearnet (Reply 3):
So to have some saying it was too hot, makes me raise an eye brow in suspicion.

Why? I was on an acey aircraft from PIT-ATL this past tuesday, and even though it was 25 F outside, it was still quite warm inside the cabin. Not unbearable, but I was starting to get uncomfortable. So being that it was in BOS, it was prolly quite a bit more chilly than 25F which means they were cranking up the heat trying to warm the aircraft up.

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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:49 am

Typical US cabin crew. Who the hell do they think they are?
 
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:15 am



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
i thought based on your title, you were really really good looking....

I know this is a pretty old thread but this quote just made my day today. LMAO I thought the same freakin thing.
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:10 am

I would've asked to have the police meet me at the gate and waste everybody's time, and have the police get the captain to furnish his name for a formal complaint.

There's a nice discussion over on another forum about a self-important Comair F/A on JFK-DCA having the police called because some passenger was complaining about something. If you e-mail me I could dig up the thread

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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:59 am



Quoting Rineanna (Reply 6):
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
i thought based on your title, you were really really good looking....

Thank God someone else thought that too!

I think about a year ago, there was a posting about a SWA passenger, who was described as being too "hot", referring to what she was wearing, and she was also booted off the plane.
Ditto for me, I thought you were referring to your looks. Well maybe you should post a pic, and we can judge for ourselves!
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:28 pm



Quoting Pope (Reply 10):
I don't understand why anyone is doubting the validity of this story given that it has been documented that an FA threw a toddler off a plane for repeatedly saying "bye bye plane".

I didn't believe this story until I googled it. FA have used the heightened security since 9/11 to flag anyone as a threat or disruption. When you fly a US carrier, do not pick your nose.

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 16):
For me, being an introvert, I just don't say anything. I keep my feelings to myself and not take the airline anymore!

As a fellow introvert, this is my approach too. This and a letter to the airline and to any kind of media outlet that allows travelers to share their experiences. Say...Christopher Elliott at msnbc.com. Or the consumer watch at the local news outlets.

Quoting BAalltheway (Thread starter):
He is a bit of a whiner, but by no means irate...I can see the flight attendant having a bad day or something, but for the pilot to give the nod on delaying a flight for an hour for something like that??? They wouldn't let us off the plane, and we had to leave him there overnight. Travelling sure has changed!

Not the kind of "hot" I was expecting....
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:32 pm



Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 16):
Doesn't cost much to keep my mouth shut. Just look "satisfied" even if you're not.

Uh?
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:31 pm



Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
Americans have gotten so paranoid that it's getting really ridiculous. I spent a lot of time in Boston this year with my girlfriend and her family and I couldn't believe how paranoid everyone was there.

A bit extreme that you paint 300,000,000 "Americans" with such a broad stroke, based on a date you went on in Boston. Good thing Americans don't do that to Canadians eh?

Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
Some of the things that I've heard on a daily basis:

1. Every guy with a turban was a terrorist
2. Anyone who is pissed off in an airplane is going to hijack it.
3. All people with an accent are illegals & working illegally.

...I find this hard to believe, but I am not sure who you associate with stateside

Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
Speaking of which. I saw 4 cops at Logan with M16s (or something similar)... Great, I felt safe, except all of them were standing in a circle, talking to each other, for about 30 minutes, not even glancing to see what's around them.

If they were glancing all about, wouldn't they look too paranoid?
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:10 am

Could have been a preemptive strike by the F/A, get the passenger off before he threatens to write a complaint letter to AA about her attitude.
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:29 pm



Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
I spent a lot of time in Boston

My condolences ...

I'm from Boston, but I haven't lived there since 2000. I like the city itself, but the people can be real jerks, especially civil servants. There's absolutely no need for it, either.

Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
I saw 4 cops at Logan with M16s (or something similar)... Great, I felt safe, except all of them were standing in a circle, talking to each other, for about 30 minutes, not even glancing to see what's around them.

That's Mass. law enforcement for you.
 
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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:50 pm

I noticed that some flight attendants on US airlines are aggressive. On a CO flight the attendants were intimidating passengers to "sit down quickly." One man boarding too slowly was yelled at by a male steward. It was shocking. The guy spoke back and was practically threatened that he would have to disembark.

On a CO flight from Geneva the Purser was aggressively telling us on the microphone to board and sit quickly to leave on time.

On an AA flight to London, a hostess was mistreating a group of Israeli religious students because they were standing too much. She was intimidating and threatening. I later overheard her making fun of them. I kept quiet and counted till 10.

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RE: Escorted Off For Being Too Hot

Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:15 pm



Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 20):
I know this is a pretty old thread but this quote just made my day today. LMAO I thought the same freakin thing.

Since this thread is one from 2007 that was bumped for no real reason, it is now being locked.

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