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Unexpected, The A340-600 Domestic MAD-LPA

Sun May 25, 2008 3:10 pm

Unexpected, the A340-600 domestic MAD-LPA


Hello, dear readers,

welcome to a new story.
As the title show´s, something unexpected catched me!.

First, I will tell you some more background´s around these trip.
My family decided to go for a week to Gran Canaria. I´ve booked them on Condor nonstop from FRA, with me joining for the weekend.
The Condor service was scheduled to leave 2.25 pm on a 753, later rescheduled to 06.45 am on the A320 and finally
delayed to 2.30 pm on the 763, nearly the original flight time.
I´ve managed comfort class seats when i´ve noticed the 763, DE payed a room at the Steigenberger conference center with full breakfast and lunch,
some potting time at the terrace for me and my son, relax for my wife and mother in law,
so no that bad in the end.
The return was also interesting, while Condor and FRA airport pages showed operated by an Condor A320, Amadeus told me around two months ago,
operated by AirBerlin on the 738 and finally it was an AB 738.
So, back to my story, also with time and equipment changes.



Saturday, 17.05.2008
FRA (Frankfurt-Rhein-Main) - MAD (Madrid-Barajas)
Duration: 2 hours, 20 minutes

Service IB 3507 operated by Iberia A319 EC-JAZ
Scheduled: 12.30 // 15.00
Actual: 13.10 // 15.30
Gate: D26 Seat: 25A
Load factor: Near 100%
Fare: 69,46 EUR per leg

History:
27.08.2004: Delivered to Iberia
Leg no. 31 on the A319 and the first on this machine


Two hours to go by car to FRA early Saturday morning. I´ve secured parking by TourCare, 26,60 EUROS three days, not bad, when you know that the single day at FRA airport costs around 28.-- EUROS. Only some five minutes away by shuttle from the airport, friendly staff, real recommendable.
IB offers online-check-in, but the system dont want to accept me late Friday, I´ve called the help desk, if something goes wrong with my flights,
the friendly guy there told me, everything ok, this problem seems not unusual.
At the counter FRA T2 at 09.45 am, a sign shows desk open from 10 am.
Some self service machines there, jointly used by One world carriers, so I tried my luck, insert my Iberia Plus card and surprise, no problem to check in and secure seats,
the A319 seatmap to MAD and finally the A343 to LPA, window last row, as usual.
Two females arrived some minutes prior opening and after another ten minutes a friendly spanish girl
send my bag to LPA.
Time for another view from the terrace, heavy action, impressive.

Soon history?:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08001.jpg

Gulf Air, new colours:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08002.jpg

Eritrean Airlines:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08003.jpg

Heavy departure queue:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08004.jpg

Later I´ve passed security without any time to wait and was at the gate at around 11.30 am. Like most airports nowadays, also construction works at FRA T2,
blocked ways, diversions, not that easy for the non frequent travellers.
My plane arrived early from MAD, good to follow on the OPS screens, a nice FRA feature.

OPS inbound with my plane:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08005.jpg

And outbound:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08006.jpg

Arrival IB:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08009.jpg
The action around the plane also good to follow from the gate.

At the gate:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08010.jpg

Heavy around the corner:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08011.jpg

Also something special:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08013.jpg

My machine:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08016.jpg

And again:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08018.jpg

Some spanish pax there, a large group of retired germans on the way to Cuba and more germans on the way to sunny mediterranean destinations.
Nearly no biz pax today.
Boarding started some 15 minutes late, no reason to mention.
Two females, one not that friendly, one ok and one friendly male FA on the plane.
The machine fitted with stylish bright grey leather seats. Low legroom, dirty windows, cabin not that really clean, not the best first impression.

Interesting magazine:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08019.jpg

Low legroom:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08020.jpg

Departure from runway 18 after some more minutes to wait.
We´re joining french airspace soon, heading south to Clermont-Ferrand, Pau, and over the Pyrenees to Pamplona.
Mostly cloudy, no good views on this leg.
Beneath some newspapers, no service.
Only a very short comment from the flightdeck, the crew was from spain, short ahead to arrivals into MAD about the wheather situation there, no flightlevel info.
Heavy black, deep clouds around MAD, approach was therefore really bumpy, arrival on runway 33L.
No rain during taxi, but when we approached T4 it started with a heavy shower, all gates occupied, but finally we turned around and reached
a single empy one at the rear part of the terminal. Thanks god, no bus deboarding during the rain shower.

Rainy MAD:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08021.jpg

Further to my first time at MAD Terminal 4.




Saturday, 17.05.2008
MAD (Madrid-Barajas) - LPA (Las Palmas-Gando)
Duration: 2 hours, 35 minutes

Service IB 0808 operated by Iberia A340-600 EC-JCY
Scheduled: 17.00 // 18.45
Actual: 17.20 // 18.55
Gate: M43 Seat: 42A
Load factor: Around 90 %

History:
27.01.2005: Delivered to Iberia
Leg no. 1 on the A346

So, I´ve learned from the inflight magazine, that my assigned gate area M was at the T4 satellite.
Mainly used for the non Schengen flights and only reachable by subway train service.
OK, heading down the impressive, large and spacious T4 building to the central area, down some stairways and waiting for the subway to arrive.
Reached finally T4S, not that much pax around there, searching for my gate.
I´am looked really forward to this flight.
One more A340-300 flight, operated by Audeli Air Service, a company specialiced in subleasing planes to Iberia.
I´ve noticed not the scheduled A343 at the gate, no, much better an A346. But so I´ve thought, I was checked in on the A343, that seems bus boarding for me
and the A346 will do another flight from the gate beneath or else.

EC-JCY at my gate:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08022.jpg

An -300 at the opposite gate:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08023.jpg

I´ve walked around the deserted area, my flight was the only one here, do some pix. The line formed by other pax when boarding was called was unbelievable long
and as the first pax walked up the stairs and boarded the A346, I´ve marked some big thumps up to Iberia on my log sheet, my first flight on the A346 will coming up soon.
The agents picked all the pax with seat changes at the gate, so boarding need ages.

Finally, my machine:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08024.jpg

The other side:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08026.jpg

And again:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08027.jpg

Now boarding:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08029.jpg

Impressive engine:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08031.jpg

My seat changed to 36G, exit row ok, but no window, I´ve asked for another one and was redirected to 42A, where a male seated when I was there.
He changed again and I´ve had my window in the last part of the cabin.
From what I´ve saw, the forward cabin was 100% full, so it was not a technical change, it was needed to pax numbers on this service.
I´ve count one friendly male FA and six females.
Good legroom, but somewhat oldfashioned blue, grey, yellow coloured fabric seats.

Cabin:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08033.jpg

Again no service on this route. The route map on the screens for the whole flight.
We´re departed 36L in typical A340 style, long and slow, amazing.
Later we passed Sevilla at 36800 feet. Good views along the route.

Leaving mainland Spain:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08035.jpg

Approaching La Graciosa:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08037.jpg

Vulcanoes at Lanzarote:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08038.jpg

Sandy beaches at Fuerteventura:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08039.jpg

The tail camera showed the approach from the pilots point of view, real good.
Absolutely no comment form the spanish staffed flightdeck, arrival on runway 03R around ten minutes late with heavy brake action.
Parked on the apron, how I like bus-deboarding on such big birds, amazing again.

Arrived at LPA:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08041.jpg

Heavy machine:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08042.jpg

And again:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08044.jpg

Tail shot:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08045.jpg

My bag was quickly on the belt, grabbed a taxi to Maspalomas where I´ve arrived only some 45 minutes after arrival.

Welcome to the "Costa Meloneras" hotel:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08049.jpg

Swimming to Venezuela?:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08053.jpg

My son from behind the curtain:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08048.jpg

The hotel again:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08050.jpg

Once more:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08051.jpg

Pool area:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08047.jpg




Monday, 19.5.2008
LPA (Las Palmas-Gando) - MAD (Madrid-Barajas)
Duration: 2 hours, 20 minutes

Service IB 0807 operated by Iberia Airbus A321 EC-JQZ
Scheduled: 11.10 // 14.45
Actual: 11.25 // 14.45
Gate: A29 Seat: 35A
Load factor: Around 90%

History:
21.04.2006: Delivered to Iberia
Leg no.11 on the A321 and the first on this machine

Monday was departure day for the whole family, so we´ve packed all our belongings into an oldfashioned Daimler taxi and
shuttled to the airport again.
My flight will leave around one hour ahead to the others connecting at MAD, the DE operated by AB service was nonstop,
so they had to wait in FRA around one hour till my arrival.
One biz, two eco desks open at LPA for all IB flights. Queues at the eco counters, I´ve decided to try the self service machines again,
no problem to check-in, but no papers printed. Therefore I´ve asked the female agent at the empty biz counter, no problem, she
accepted my bag and printed the boarding passes.
My family was first in row for check in to FRA, also done with seats in the first row, passed security without any time to wait.
My plane was arrived earlier than scheduled from MAD and was sitting at the gate.

My machine to MAD:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08054.jpg

AB to FRA beneath:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08055.jpg

And again:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08056.jpg

Again a change, Gestair was announced to operate the flight for IB, but finally it was a IB owned machine.
Boarding was called really early at around 10.30 am, one female, three male FA´s on this service, again the female not that friendly, the male guys ok.
The same interior like on the FRA-MAD A319 leg, bright grey leather seats, this time clean and legroom ok.
Departure from runway 03R to Huelva and Sevilla, no service, no flightlevel info, only a short wheather comment prior to arrival at MAD.
The flight deck crew was again from Spain.
Touchdown on runway 33L ontime with some crosswinds and heavy brakes and thrust reversers. Deboarding at T4, a finger gate again.

Arrival at MAD:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08057.jpg

Bye, bye, EC-JQZ:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08058.jpg

And again:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08059.jpg

The gate for the next leg was not yet announced, so more time to walk around for some impressions.
Lots of pax around, but enough space to sit and relax, not bad from my point of view.



Monday, 19.05.2008
MAD (Madrid-Barajas) - FRA (Frankfurt-Rhein-Main)
Duration: 2 hours, 15 minutes

Service IB 3516 operated by Iberia Airbus A319 EC-JXA
Scheduled: 16.00 // 18.40
Actual: 16.25 // 18.40
Gate: H16 Seat: 25F
Load factor: 100%

History:
01.09.2006: Delivered to Iberia
Leg no. 32 on the A319 and the first on this machine

Immediatelly after the screens showed the gate, the plana arrived, the scheduled A319, only some gates beneath the inbound flight.

EC-JXA to FRA:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08060.jpg

And again:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08062.jpg

Two females, one male FA´s on these service, ok so far.
Again the bright grey Recaro leather seats, lower legroom than on the A321, cabin not that really clean.
Departure from runway 36R in a queue of planes, only a SV B777 beneath lots of IB metal.
The route was Zaragoza-Geneva-Stuttgart, no service, no flightlevel info.
The flightdeck crew was from spain again. This time a more detailed comment from the pilot during cruise with
route and wheather informations.
Mostly cloudy on the whole flight.
We passed FRA airport during the approach, turned right and joined the queue for an 07L arrival.
Taxi along T1 and parked at the same gate like last Saturdays departure.

Dedicated to Airbuseric:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/LPA08/LPA08063.jpg

Not that long to wait for my bag, joined my family in T1, called the Tourcare shuttle, which was present when we
left T1 and on the way back home.

My opinions:
Over all, this experience with IB was ok.
The flights more or less ontime, some difficulties with online check in but mostly friendly staff solved the problems.
The fare was around 100.-- EUROS cheaper than the DE nonstop.
MAD T4 and T4s, large, spacious, well signed, ok so far.
The A346, such an impressive machine.

I dont need something to eat on a two hour flight, but anything to drink for free, that might cost not that much and should be standard, also on IB.
The lack of information from the flightdeck was a real negative point on three of four flights, but it seems that is usual on IB.

But, nevertheless no problem for me to fly IB again.

Comments welcome,
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RE: Unexpected, The A340-600 Domestic MAD-LPA

Sun May 25, 2008 3:20 pm

Hello Markus,

great report. There was really no service at all on those flights? I was wondering, because in Amadeus they say they have service against money on board...

A few years ago I booked LPA-MAD with IB just to get the -600, finally they downgraded it to a -300 which led to a terrible overbooking situation. I will not complain, since I was upgraded to Business Class, but we had bus boarding as well. It seems that widebodys are always bus-boarded in LPA, since it was the case on your flight as well.
 
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RE: Unexpected, The A340-600 Domestic MAD-LPA

Sun May 25, 2008 3:46 pm

Hello, Reifel,

thanx for your comment.

Quoting Reifel (Reply 1):
because in Amadeus they say they have service against money on board...

Correct, no free service, buy on board was possible on all flights.

Quoting Reifel (Reply 1):
A few years ago I booked LPA-MAD with IB just to get the -600, finally they downgraded it to a -300 which led to a terrible overbooking situation.

I´ve also read some not that positive comments about IB on the Canary routes.
In my case, it was absolutely ok with the plane upgrade.

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RE: Unexpected, The A340-600 Domestic MAD-LPA

Sun May 25, 2008 4:48 pm

Hola Markus!

Great TR, as usual!

I see you had a nice weather in LPA, not the same in mainland Spain, we have been having rain for almost every day these last two weeks.

IB is just a transport company; they take you from A to B: no service on board, no smiling crews.... let it alone flight information:

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
This time a more detailed comment from the pilot during cruise with
route and weather information.

they have recently started this feature. I have noticed it especially on the BCN-MAD 'Puente Aéreo' since the beginning of the high speed train link where they have lost almost 20% of their customers on these first three months since the introduction of the service.

I am glad you enjoyed your time in LPA.

Salut!

Roger
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RE: Unexpected, The A340-600 Domestic MAD-LPA

Sun May 25, 2008 4:56 pm

Hola, Roger,

thanx for your nice reply.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 3):
I see you had a nice weather in LPA, not the same in mainland Spain, we have been having rain for almost every day these last two weeks.

Perfectly in Gran Canaria, also rainy in southern Germany, but also nice at the north sea coast, you know.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 3):
they have recently started this feature.

Only one of three pilots mentioned it!.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 3):
I am glad you enjoyed your time in LPA.

Definitelly, for sure!

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RE: Unexpected, The A340-600 Domestic MAD-LPA

Sun May 25, 2008 6:06 pm

Hi Markus,

nice story about your weekend trip to Gran Canaria! Again you got an interesting combination of different types of aircraft, including the A 340-600-surprise. Not bad at all!

IB is one of the last remaining mainline carriers that really don't give out any food or drinks for free. Others who had also introduced "pay-for-food" have returned to some free service, like OS, LX or even X3 (on most routes). Let's see where the market will go.

By the way: why did your family fly out of FRA? Weren't there any convenient connections from STR?

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RE: Unexpected, The A340-600 Domestic MAD-LPA

Sun May 25, 2008 6:11 pm

Hi Markus, nice read as expected & very cool to get the 346 too!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
The Condor service was scheduled to leave 2.25 pm on a 753, later rescheduled to 06.45 am on the A320 and finally
delayed to 2.30 pm on the 763, nearly the original flight time.

- Wow, quite some changes to times and equipment.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Time for another view from the terrace, heavy action, impressive.

- Nice pix Markus, always enjoy spotting @ FRA.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Soon history?:

- I hope the whole DL/NW merger is not approved, it would be such a shame to see a historic airline cush as NW vanish from the skies.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
good to follow on the OPS screens, a nice FRA feature

- Nice, similar to something AMS has.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Leg no. 1 on the A346

- Nice, must have been quite an elated experience.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Again no service on this route.

- Such a shame IB is BOB these days, they used to provide pretty decent service a few years back.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
The fare was around 100.-- EUROS cheaper than the DE nonstop.

- Result and more flights for less money!

Thanks again Markus, nice report.

Kind Regards

Mark
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RE: Unexpected, The A340-600 Domestic MAD-LPA

Sun May 25, 2008 6:20 pm

Hi, Christoph,

thanx for your reply.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 5):
IB is one of the last remaining mainline carriers that really don't give out any food or drinks for free. Others who had also introduced "pay-for-food" have returned to some free service, like OS, LX or even X3 (on most routes). Let's see where the market will go.

Indeed, that will be interesting to follow, but it seems from my last flights in Spain, this is actual practice on the most airlines there.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 5):
By the way: why did your family fly out of FRA? Weren't there any convenient connections from STR?

With the first school holiday weekend in Stuttgart the fares gone impressive high, so all in it was cheaper to fly from FRA.

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RE: Unexpected, The A340-600 Domestic MAD-LPA

Sun May 25, 2008 6:27 pm

Hola nois!

Not really,

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
this is actual practice on the most airlines there.

but the REAL one.... no Spanish airline, except for Air Nostrum AFAIK, gives any food or drinks for free... it is really pitiful that flights lasting more than 3 hours, eg. BCN-TFE/LPA you even have to buy a bottle of water. A real shame!

Salut!

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RE: Unexpected, The A340-600 Domestic MAD-LPA

Sun May 25, 2008 6:32 pm

Hi, Mark,

thanx also for your nice reply.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 6):
- Wow, quite some changes to times and equipment.

Nothing more possible on DE!.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 6):
- Nice pix Markus, always enjoy spotting @ FRA.

Me too, every time when I´ve been there.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 6):
- Nice, must have been quite an elated experience.

True, for sure!.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 6):
Result and more flights for less money!

Exactly my thoughts!

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RE: Unexpected, The A340-600 Domestic MAD-LPA

Sun May 25, 2008 6:38 pm

Hola, Roger, again,

I´ve thought also about Air Nostrum with the better service, but don´t know if that is actual practice.
My last flights on IB/JK and UX, all Buy-on-Board and for these three hour legs, like you mentioned it´s simply unbelievable.

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RE: Unexpected, The A340-600 Domestic MAD-LPA

Sun May 25, 2008 6:49 pm

Hi Markus,

congratulations for the unexpected upgrade! Getting an A346 for the (rather unimpressive) A343 is definitely a great surprise. But I'm quite shocked about IB's cheaper-than-cheap product. I already didn't like their offerings some years ago, but it has become even worse. I will stay away from that "wannabe-legacy" carrier.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Soon history?:

Hopefully not. Like Mark, I hope that the merger won't be finalized. NWA is still one of my favorite carriers - the airline which made it possible for me to fly the DC-10-30, the DC-10-40, a 40-year-old DC-9-30 and the 757-300. I'm also glad to have their shiny silver A332 and A333 in my log - they belong to the best looking jets around.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Good legroom, but somewhat oldfashioned blue, grey, yellow coloured fabric seats.

Will IB EVER install PTVs? I guess no, one day it will be the last remaining long haul carrier with 1980s-style IFE...  Yeah sure

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
We´re departed 36L in typical A340 style, long and slow, amazing.

Long and slow on such a relatively short flight? My sole A345 departure wasn't impressive either, but that very plane was fully loaded and filled up for 13,5 hours...

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
The route was Zaragoza-Geneva-Stuttgart, no service, no flightlevel info.

Even Spanair serves "something" on Euro flights...well, at least they still did last year.


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RE: Unexpected, The A340-600 Domestic MAD-LPA

Sun May 25, 2008 7:01 pm

Hey, PH,

thanx for your nice reply.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
But I'm quite shocked about IB's cheaper-than-cheap product.

True words, I´ve thought about ten hours to South America, not that really enjoyable.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
A332 and A333 in my log - they belong to the best looking jets around.

We will see what´s going on there, but for now, I agree these birds looking really stunning.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
Will IB EVER install PTVs?

A good question, your answer seems realistic!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
Long and slow on such a relatively short flight?

From my impression, flying mostly short haul, you know, it was long and slow!.

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Sun May 25, 2008 7:36 pm

great report as always Markus!!!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
I´ve also read some not that positive comments about IB on the Canary routes.

not only on th Canary routes  Smile

Your report remember me to my last A346 IB flight... MAD-CCS with a 10 hour delay...
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Sun May 25, 2008 7:40 pm

Hello, Avianca,

thanx for your nice comment.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 13):
Your report remember me to my last A346 IB flight... MAD-CCS with a 10 hour delay...

Ouch, sounds not that good!.

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Hi Markus,
Very nice TR as always and great to get on the 346. I didnt get on it yet. A great way to get to LPA. Also I know the hotel you stayed in and its a very nice hotel. You chose well.

You say the FRA T2 terrace is soon history?? when is it due to close do you know?? I heard they are moving it but dont know when.

Anyway thanks again for the great report.

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Sun May 25, 2008 10:40 pm

Hi Markus

congrats with the A346! You follow me closely now, I've done 2 rides on this great machine, both legs on VS. I wonder if I will get on the -300 or -600 on my next month IB flights, still scheduled is the A343. We'll see.

Pics are great, and transfer at MAD seems without too much hassle. I hope that I have the same smooth connection over there, and that my bags make the transfers as well.

btw, nice to see one of our B777-300ER's parked at FRA. We got them this week again at AMS for a few times, and these are even more impressive then the A346  Wink But both are great aircraft to fly on Big grin

btw,...9 days to go until my/our flights  Wink

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Sun May 25, 2008 11:10 pm

Hi Philip,

Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
You say the FRA T2 terrace is soon history?? when is it due to close do you know?? I heard they are moving it but dont know when.

- Markus is refering to NW, not the deck - thankfully!

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Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 14):
Ouch, sounds not that good!.

not realy, here we are  Smile
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Mon May 26, 2008 6:07 am

Yep, flying IB shorthaul nowadays is nothing to write home about. No IFEs, and very expensive (more costly than other airlines and even the airport) buy on board menu. I've seen crews giviing out water glasses for free if you ask politely, but nothing else. Crews seem to be far more friendly than they used to be, though.
 
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Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 17):
Markus is refering to NW, not the deck - thankfully!

LOL... thanks but I did get talking to a security guard last time I was there and he said it was due to move in future but maybe not. I hope not.
 
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Hello and thanx all for your further comments.

Philip:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
A great way to get to LPA.

True, much more interesting than the usual ex-charters.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
. Also I know the hotel you stayed in and its a very nice hotel. You chose well.

It seems not the last time, if nothing goes wrong.

Eric:

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 16):
I wonder if I will get on the -300 or -600 on my next month IB flights, still scheduled is the A343.

That seems similar to my schedule!

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 16):
btw, nice to see one of our B777-300ER's parked at FRA.

The reason for this quick shot!

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 16):
btw,...9 days to go until my/our flights

Yeah, see you together with some nice aircraft next week


Mark:

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 17):
- Markus is refering to NW, not the deck - thankfully!

Thanx for the explanation


Avianca:

For sure, an interesting topic, thanx.


taichen:

thanx for your spanish point of view into IB nowadays


Philip:

Hopefully no changes at FRA!


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Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 21):
Next: 27.05.2008//STR-BRE-HAM-STR//27.05.2008

btw, have fun tomorrow while cathing a, for sure, interesting prop between BRE and HAM  Wink Is it a Metroliner?

I'll mail you soon about next week  Wink

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Mon May 26, 2008 9:32 pm

Hi, Eric,

sometimes the Metro, sometimes the Saab 340 or the Saab 2000.

Everything ok for me!.

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Tue May 27, 2008 11:11 am



Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Welcome to the "Costa Meloneras" hotel:

The hotel looks nice! Did you enjoy your stay?

Nice TR BTW. I'd still love the opportunity to fly an a346, even if it's IB!  Wink
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Tue May 27, 2008 5:38 pm

What an exciting weekend trip! And what a bonus getting a A346 on a domestic flight - you lucky thing!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
but anything to drink for free, that might cost not that much and should be standard, also on IB.

I am very surprised that nothing is offered on a flight of 2 1/2 hrs. Particularly when you bear in mind the on-going liquids ban, then it should be a must that an airlines offers you a drink.

As always a great read, thanks Markus

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Tue May 27, 2008 6:41 pm



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
Will IB EVER install PTVs? I guess no, one day it will be the last remaining long haul carrier with 1980s-style IFE...

I assumed IB had PTVs in Y on the 346s at the very least. Then again I also don't believe IFE in Y is worth the expense for the carrier, even on longhaul so it makes sense. As a passenger I'd still prefer it though.
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Tue May 27, 2008 7:30 pm



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 26):
Then again I also don't believe IFE in Y is worth the expense for the carrier, even on longhaul so it makes sense.

Then all these managers of some 90+ (mostly long/medium haul) airlines around the world must have been so wrong and wasted so much money...  Yeah sure


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Tue May 27, 2008 10:07 pm



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 27):
Then all these managers of some 90+ (mostly long/medium haul) airlines around the world must have been so wrong and wasted so much money...

I think they have. They certainly haven't gained much if anything other than weight and cost. People make decisions on airlines based on 1) where/when they need to go and 2) how much they're willing to pay. IFE is just not part of the purchasing process that makes people, at least in Y, spend more.
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):
People make decisions on airlines based on 1) where/when they need to go and 2) how much they're willing to pay. IFE is just not part of the purchasing process that makes people, at least in Y, spend more.

Where does that general judgement come from? Or better - do you have a source (surveys etc.)? My impression is - just by regularly reading passenger opinions on various websites - IFE has become an important aspect over the last few years. And it's very likely that especially the well-managed airlines carefully evaluated possible weight gains against possible revenue gains. Lufthansa is a very good example - for years it was the symbol for basic long haul IFE, was talking about weight, reliability etc - and suddenly they changed their mind. It's absurd to believe the LH bean counters would add several tons of weight to each their long haul aircraft if they didn't expect something in return.


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Wed May 28, 2008 3:35 pm



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 29):
Where does that general judgement come from?

For starters there is virtually no way to tell from expedia/kayak/priceline/etc whether your flight has a PTV or not, so even if that was part of your purchasing decision it's difficult to ascertain which flights have what kind of IFE. That said LH and IB have gone on for a while now without IFE and done very well--LH is one of the most profitable airlines in the world, and that was *before* they bothered with IFE in Y. My (firsthand) experience with domestic carriers is that IFE does not pay for itself, even when there is a usage charge.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 29):
It's absurd to believe the LH bean counters would add several tons of weight to each their long haul aircraft if they didn't expect something in return.

I can't speak about LH's internal decision making process, but you'd be surprised how often the bean counters will say one thing and some ego will decide to go in the opposite direction because everyone else is doing it. There definitely are benefits to personal IFE but I don't think they are financial and more importantly I think LH would have done just fine without it. It's not that IFE is good or bad, I just don't think it matters.
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Wed May 28, 2008 3:49 pm



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 30):
For starters there is virtually no way to tell from expedia/kayak/priceline/etc whether your flight has a PTV or not, so even if that was part of your purchasing decision it's difficult to ascertain which flights have what kind of IFE.

Internet has changed a lot - info sites are only few clicks away. I don't know which percentage of average travelers check both price and the proposed product - however it's amazing how apparently unknowing travelers rate IFE on flights (e.g. on airlinequality or other sites).

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 30):
My (firsthand) experience with domestic carriers is that IFE does not pay for itself, even when there is a usage charge.

Sounds reasonable - but the US domestic market is a whole different animal.  Wink

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 30):
I can't speak about LH's internal decision making process, but you'd be surprised how often the bean counters will say one thing and some ego will decide to go in the opposite direction because everyone else is doing it.

I can well imagine that - however I don't believe such an attitude has resulted in all those 90+ carriers investing in IFE.


Anyway, we have discussed that before and probably we will never agree. It's about time now to stop highjacking Flieger's thread!  Wink


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Wed May 28, 2008 6:27 pm

Hello all and thanx for the furhter comments.

Sergio:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 24):
The hotel looks nice! Did you enjoy your stay?

Yes, for sure. Btw, also lots of guests from the Netherlands there.


Hannah:

Quoting Infodesk (Reply 25):
And what a bonus getting a A346 on a domestic flight - you lucky thing!

I´ve thought somehting similar when I´ve finally mentioned that it will be "my machine".

Quoting Infodesk (Reply 25):
I am very surprised that nothing is offered on a flight of 2 1/2 hrs. Particularly when you bear in mind the on-going liquids ban, then it should be a must that an airlines offers you a drink.

Exactly my thoughts

PH and Peter,

interesting discussion.

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Wed May 28, 2008 8:28 pm

Hi Markus!

Again a very interesting story from your hand. Lucky you to get on the A346. I was rebooked in SFO last year and missed my first A346 adventure.

IB doesn't look like a duty to fly with.

Thanks for sharing your interesting experiences.

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Wed May 28, 2008 8:54 pm

Hello, Stefan,

thanx for your nice reply.

Quoting StefanPAD (Reply 33):
Lucky you to get on the A346. I was rebooked in SFO last year and missed my first A346 adventure.

It seems that was real luck to catch this bird on these route!.

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Wed May 28, 2008 11:05 pm

Markus

I'm not adding anything of value to the discussion, but wanted to say (as a new member but old lurker) that I always enjoy your trip reports, and am envious of all your travels with your family. I've been trying to interest my eldest son (5 jahre) in planespotting, but he seems more interested in insects!  Smile

Keep up the good, interesting reports.

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Thu May 29, 2008 6:05 pm

Hey, Kent,

welcome to A.net and thanx for your nice comment.

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 35):
I've been trying to interest my eldest son (5 jahre) in planespotting, but he seems more interested in insects!

Hmmh, insects, still with wings, so it seems he´s on the right way to grow up with more interests to the
bigger insects, sorry planes!.

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Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:29 pm

Hi Markus,

Finally some time to respond to your great trip.
You were lucky to get such an upgrade in equipment, an 346 is still quite rare for you as shorthauler to catch! Congrats on that!!

Also I must say that the Y product IB offers is really bad, considering that this is an long haul aircraft.....

Thanks for sharing!!
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Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:25 pm

Hi, Joost,

nice to read your reply.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 37):
You were lucky to get such an upgrade in equipment, an 346 is still quite rare for you as shorthauler to catch!

Oh, well, that´s really true!.

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Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:47 pm

Nice report of a nice place. Thanks for sharing...

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
some potting time at the terrace for me and my son, relax for my wife and mother in law,
so no that bad in the end.

Wait?  Confused

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
...mother in law

 Silly .. ah just kidding...  Wink

It seems like you had a nice vacation. I'd love to visit that place one day. Who knows... maybe I just might.
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Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:58 pm

Hey, Vio,

thanx for your reply.

Quoting Vio (Reply 39):
It seems like you had a nice vacation. I'd love to visit that place one day. Who knows... maybe I just might.

For sure.
Most tourists came from northern Europe, but it´s not unusual at all for north Americans.

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Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:02 am

Great trip report, Markus!!! You really enjoy writing trip reports, which is also excellent for us (readers). Nice to see that you enjoyed Gran Canaria.

Quoting Reifel (Reply 1):
It seems that widebodys are always bus-boarded in LPA, since it was the case on your flight as well.

The jetways at LPA are only for narrowbodies. They are very close to each other, that's why the A340s always get a remote stand. But anyway, with the new terminal in a near future, the airport will feature some jetbridges for widebodies as well. At the terminal you can see the scale model and how it will look like.
 
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:44 pm

Hola, Eric and thanx for your nice reply.

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 41):
You really enjoy writing trip reports,

It seems so  Wink

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 41):
The jetways at LPA are only for narrowbodies. They are very close to each other, that's why the A340s always get a remote stand. But anyway, with the new terminal in a near future, the airport will feature some jetbridges for widebodies as well. At the terminal you can see the scale model and how it will look like.

Thanx for the further information. I saw that model, but not that much time enough
to go for a detail.

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