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Slumming It Down In Economy On BA (lots Of Pics!)

Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:03 am

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BA10 (sold as QF301) - 9 August 2008
SYD-BKK - G-CIVL - Boeing 747-400
Seat: Economy 35C
Departure time: 16:35
Arrival time: 22:55


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I was originally booked on QF1 for this flight. I had upgrade requests in for both Premium Economy and Business Class, and when I was checking online around midday (prior to the scheduled 17:00 departure) I noticed that my flights had changed. QF1 was delayed to 20:25! This meant I'd miss my Royal Jordanian connections on Bangkok.

I called Qantas and pointed out this not so small problem. I was immediately booked onto the QF301, which is the BA10. No problem - no upgrade, no seat request (apart from "Forward Aisle"), and no Qantas.

When I got to the airport, the BA check-in staff said that one other Qantas flight was cancelled, and the QF1 was delayed - so my flight was absolutely packed with no seats to spare. This turned out to be true!

Happily, my baggage was through checked to Dublin, meaning I don't have to see its 28kg until later. I was pleased that BA accepted the bag, even though it's over their 23kg maximum per bag policy. Nothing at all was said  Smile

Once checked in, I passed through Immigration and Security and went to the Qantas Club. Some of the decor and a champagne...



I decided to get some food...

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The view from the PCs is nothing short of stunning, facing directly to the city of Sydney.

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Lunch time food options were good!

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There was hot food too - pies and quiches, as well as soup.

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The toilets are also nicely fitted out.

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Anyway, after a while there, I went and browsed the Duty Free selection to see if they sold models of Qantas planes. Alas, they don't and as I was flying BA I lost my chance to grab one.

I walked down to the gate, and was one of the first on board, as I get priority boarding with my Frequent Flyer status.

Here is a view of the BA Y cabin, something I hadn't seen in quite a long time.

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Oh yes, four seats in a row *shudder*



The view to my left.

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Surprisingly, the seat didn't feel cramped - it helps that I am short and slim.

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Happily, they even have a footrest, shades of the premium classes!

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While people were boarding, my two and a half champagnes and bottle of water from the lounge began to make itself felt, so I hit the facilities. The loo -



... and of course I washed my hands afterwards!  Smile

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More and more people were boarding and no-one was sitting next to me. Was I to be lucky and have three seats to myself?

Across the wing...



Some of the overhead lockers seem to have an extra mesh guard inside them, which I've only seen on BA.



These can lock independently of the actual locker door itself. The PTV is quite small, but considering it's a foot in front of your face there is actually no problem with the size.



Two guys from Manly going on a working holiday to the UK sat next to me - both of them quite heftily built. Both of them had their knees in the seat in front of them while sitting down, and I was glad of the aisle to move into to get more room.

Doors closed, safety demo and we took off to the north. Drinks served first, Gin & Tonics for my travelling companions and I. Once that was completed (and it took what seemed like ages), we were served dinner.

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Red wine, water, some shockingly fatty and horrible beef, mashed potato, beans, a bun, some crumble thing for dessert, a salad and a Kit Kat. Overall not bad, but the meat was dire.

We had more Gin & Tonic's, then the boys opened up a bottle of Bacardi that they'd bought Duty Free. I was Coke runner and we essentially went through two bottles of Bacardi on the flight between the three of us  Smile

I watched "21" (great film) and "Cars" (great too!), and after that we were chatting away merrily for the flight. It's much friendlier down the back than in Business Class, I have to say! I also popped down the back and had a great old chat with one of the Flight Attendants as well.

We landed on time, and I was pleased the flight had gone so quickly  Smile The BA Y seat is pretty comfortable for people of a certain size, but for really tall people, or fat people it would be a bit of a nightmare. Food was poor to average, but otherwise it was a good flight  Smile

Hope you enjoyed the report, next up is the BKK-AMM sector on RJ  Smile
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Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:21 am

great trip report. thanks.
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Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:37 am

Nice report and pictures, thanks.

Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
then the boys opened up a bottle of Bacardi that they'd bought Duty Free. I was Coke runner and we essentially went through two bottles of Bacardi on the flight between the three of us

- Sounds like you had fun  Smile

BA economy is pretty good, though not flown it longhaul for a while, I certainly don't object to using it.

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Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:45 am

Nice TR

The pics are good.

How did you feel to sit so near the toilets?? I will soon fly to LAX and I consider to sit on row 36 (36A).

Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
BA accepted the bag, even though it's over their 23kg maximum per bag policy. Nothing at all was said

BA accepts bags up to 32kg until November this year.


Thank you for sharing

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Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:21 am

Great TR, so wait you sat on the aisle seat right?
 
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Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:34 am

Nice report, BA's Y long-haul product still seems to be a good choice.

Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
The BA Y seat is pretty comfortable for people of a certain size, but for really tall people, or fat people it would be a bit of a nightmare.

That can be said for most Y cabins.

Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
Food was poor to average, but otherwise it was a good flight

I can't comment on the taste, but at least the meal's presentation isn't bad. I have seen much worse stuff...


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Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:56 am

What is that blue thing sticking out of the wall in the lavatory? Looks.... odd.
 
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Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:59 pm



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
What is that blue thing sticking out of the wall in the lavatory? Looks.... odd.

Seat wipes! LOL.

Of course I may be a bit bias but I reckon BA economy is not too bad. Although the pitch is pretty standard, I find the seat one of the most comfortable Y seats around. I am not a fan of the new ultra slim seats which seem to offer no padding what-so-ever and i love the 'ears' on the seat which are independent from the rest of the headrest if that makes sense. I know a lot of taller guys & girls will find the leg room issue more important than seat comfort. I am often amused by how many people think that airlines offering better leg room do it because they are generous and install less seats. This may be true of one or two airlines but on the whole they increase the legroom by installing slimmer/thinner seats or packing more across in a row.

There have of course been a lot of cost cuts since 9/11 which have taken its toll in economy more than any other cabin on the aircraft. Gone are the printed menus, the pre-take off juice or water, hot towels, warm rolls. Oddly, it wasnt actually the item that saved BA money (the menus were effectively paid for by sponsorship or advertising and the drinks given free). But after 9/11 BA decided they wanted to reduce the amount of cabin crew in the economy cabin by one and had to come up with concessions with the cabin crew union to reduce the workload of the remaining crew (like handing out menus).
 
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Sun Aug 10, 2008 2:38 pm

Actually, I found the seat to be quite comfortable. I could actually sleep on BA on the LHR-HKG route, but had a hard time sleeping from DTW-NRT or NRT-MSP on a 744 on NW. I had only flown NW and UA 744's and one Canadian 744 from YVR-HKG. Beside that, I can't recall other experiences. BA was the best 744 experience, even in Cattle Class.
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Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:16 pm



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 2):
BA economy is pretty good, though not flown it longhaul for a while, I certainly don't object to using it.

Oh, neither did I. I booked Qantas as I needed four sectors to renew my Gold status, but codeshare flights count so it was okay.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 3):
How did you feel to sit so near the toilets?? I will soon fly to LAX and I consider to sit on row 36 (36A).

Row 35 is nowhere near the toilets - they're about 6 rows back and that may as well be a mile. No issue whatsoever there.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 3):
BA accepts bags up to 32kg until November this year.

I imagine they'd have to accept it anyway since I was originally booked on QF.

Quoting Ag92 (Reply 4):
Great TR, so wait you sat on the aisle seat right?

Yes, I did. I flew in a window once on a long flight in Y and never again. Aisle seat means I can get up whenever I want.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 5):
I can't comment on the taste, but at least the meal's presentation isn't bad. I have seen much worse stuff...

The taste was great and so was the presentation. My issue was the fatty beef - I dislike fat in meat that should be lean. It was just disappointing.

Quoting BAStew (Reply 7):
Of course I may be a bit bias but I reckon BA economy is not too bad. Although the pitch is pretty standard, I find the seat one of the most comfortable Y seats around

I will agree with you 100%. Another reason I wanted to fly QF was to see if the seat had improved since my last godawful experience. I was glad I got BA though, it is very comfortable  Smile
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Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9):
Row 35 is nowhere near the toilets - they're about 6 rows back and that may as well be a mile. No issue whatsoever there.

Okay. So it wont be any problems then.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9):
imagine they'd have to accept it anyway since I was originally booked on QF.

Yes, that is true.
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:23 pm

Nice report, great photos.
I do admire you being able to Y class, have not been there in over ten years.
I must have those creature comforts to keep this old body happy.
I bet that Bacardi sure helped the trip along.
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Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:58 am

Good TR as always sir. The pictures are good and look forward to many more.

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Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:30 am

Hi

I have not flown BA in economy for a while. I flew American from London to New York in Jan. I know that airline meals are not great but American's economy class long haul food makes BA's look like fine dining.

I know what you mean about fatty meat. I have a friend who says that all the flavour is in the fat. (makes me feel sick just to think about eating the fat)

If UA start to charge for food on their IAD-Europe flights I wonder how long it will be before everyone does this? Economy long haul becomes more and more basic.

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Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:40 am

BA economy is good except for the 31" legroom.
 
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Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:49 pm

Hi, Trent,

it seems I´ve missed that one,
or maybe I´am not that interested in BA?.
No, for sure.
A good read, BA eco sounds not that bad as expected.

Again, thanx for posting,
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:25 am

Nice report . BA Y class seats look not too bad. Havnt flown them in Y for years on a L/H.

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Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:22 pm

Interesting they let you consume alcohol not served onboard... or is that just a USA policy?
 
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:34 pm



Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 11):
I bet that Bacardi sure helped the trip along.

It was the fastest 9 hour flight I've ever had... I need to drink more on flights  Smile

Quoting Richcandy (Reply 13):
If UA start to charge for food on their IAD-Europe flights I wonder how long it will be before everyone does this?

Hopefully airlines that are profitable, like BA, EK, QF, SQ and their ilk will never do that.

Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 17):
Interesting they let you consume alcohol not served onboard... or is that just a USA policy?

The Cabin Crew turned a blind eye. On one of my Coke runs, the crew member in the galley said something about taking it easy, and I said not to worry, we'd be completely fine. He said, "That's what they all say!" - needless to say, we were okay. He looked like he could have used a drink I have to say  Smile
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:41 pm

I see... thanks. Thinking of BA for my next trip to London to try out their long haul service and T5. My last trip to London I wanted to try T5 and BA, but it was 3 weeks after T5 opened and decided against comiting myself to a nightmare.
 
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Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:12 pm

Great TR! Thanks for posting!

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Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:10 pm



Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 18):
He looked like he could have used a drink I have to say

He was working economy what can I say?! Only kidding, I love working economy, one of the best cabins onboard the aircraft to keep you busy!

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