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DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Wed May 20, 2009 6:04 am

Hey all,

Well, time for another random international trip!! Awhile back, I put in for a transfer at work which I ended up getting. I go to training in a week, as well as starting the summer semester at school, so I wanted to get a quick trip in before I'll be undoubtedly tied down for quite a few weeks with training and trying to drink from a fire hose with the classes. Anyhow.... I've been trying to talk a.netter CAP2008 into doing a TransPac flight on the 747-400 for awhile now and we finally found a time that worked for the both of us. I ended up doing a quick ATL-NRT-DFW while CAP2008 did a far more marathon trip of ATL-NRT-HNL-ATL. Since we shared the ATL-NRT segment though, I'll only post a few pics and do a highly abridged report on that part, instead leaving that to him, so check out his TR for it!!

Final itinerary for my portion of the trip was:

DEN-ATL: FL 73G
ATL-NRT: NW 744
NRT-DFW: AA 777
DFW-ROW: AA ER4

Incidentally, I'm writing this from a hotel room in ROW right now - back to back vacations, haha.  Big grin Anyhow, hope you enjoy the TR




16 May 2009
DL801, ATL-NRT, operated by NWA
Block Time: 13 hours, 50 minutes
747-451, N662US, ship# 6302
Seat: 11B, main deck World Business Class

Load Factor-
Business: 40%
Coach: 60%

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I was really looking forward to ATL-NRT, what would be my 3rd longest 744 flight in regard to blocktime - 13:50, behind DTW-KIX at 14:10 and SFO-SYD at 14:38. Unfortunately though, the whole experience turned out to be a major SNAFU. From the CS agents in ATL to the on-board experience and ending with disease quarantine in NRT, it wasn't the best of international trips I've had!! Again, see CAP2008's TR for all the info on the flight. Here are a few of the pics I took, though:



Ship 6302 (N662US) sitting on the E concourse prior to the long flight to NRT



Ship 6302 again, at the gate



World Business Class cabin during final boarding. J-class was a ghost town on this flight



Aft main deck J-cabin, again, nearly empty



About 7-8 hours into the 14 hour flight, somewhere near the north pole



Out over the Arctic/Pacific Oceans



Landing and max-blast thrust-reverse into NRT


Again, for more details, pictures, and info on the ATL-NRT flight, please see the trip report by CAP2008!!  bigthumbsup 

Couple quick impressions about the ATL-NRT route. Overall, it seems to be a very poor performer. Initially, DL upgraded it to twice daily while simultaneously reducing DTW-NRT to 10x or 11x weekly. Since then, DL has reduced ATL-NRT to 10x weekly and then subsequently completely terminating the 777 service on ATL-NRT, leaving it as only a single daily 744. All the while, DTW-NRT remains as 10x-11x weekly and runs with consistently higher load factors than the ATL-NRT. I, obviously, do hope the route continues to run with a 744, but I do also enjoy an occasional "we told you so" moment, that ATL is most definitely not the end-all be-all hub that some think it to be  Wink





18 May 2009
AA176, NRT-DFW
Block Time: 11 hours, 30 minutes
777-223/ER, N755AN
Seat: 12J, NextGen Business Class

Load Factor-
First: 80%
Business: 75%
Coach: 80%

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I was especially looking forward to my flight on NRT-DFW on AA. The route, NRT-DFW, seems to be quite the cash cow for AA as it consistently runs full in the premium cabins. Coupled with typically high nonrev numbers, it's a hard route to get J-class on while nonrevving. So, when I saw the light (relatively) loads in premium on the way home, I had to jump on it.



Departures board in the check-in hall of NRT Terminal 2


Given AA's rather ridiculous system of time-stamp priority for rank-ordering nonrevs, I showed up to the terminal about 3 hours prior to the flight to check in. Incidentally, it was my first ever time in NRT's Terminal 2, as all my other previous flights into and out of NRT have been at Terminal 1 on NW and UA.



N755AN being pulled up to the gate after sitting overnight in NRT



N755AN again


I was paged about 30 minutes prior to boarding and given seat 12J in NextGen Business Class. On a random note, this was my first ever flight in AA's NGBC on a 777, and was only my 3rd flight on an AA 777 at all, with the rest of my 777 flights being on all UA birds.



Aircraft servicing prior to boarding



NGBC cabin during final boarding


To my surprise, I got the window and aisle seat, 12HJ, to myself. Rather rare to have that happen in business class, especially on the rather premium-heavy route of NRT-DFW.



Welcome screen of the PTV system with AVOD



Bose noise-canceling headsets. Always a very nice touch by AA.


We ended up getting off the gate in NRT about 5 minutes early, which I was very happy about as I had an extremely tight connection in DFW, only a scheduled 45 minutes from arrival of my NRT flight to clear passport control, customs, security, and then get to the gate for my connecting flight.



Just after takeoff from NRT, turning toward the northeast for a great circle routing to DFW



ETOPS feet-wet, just over the coast of Japan


One of my favorite parts of flying in AA's premium cabins are their meal services. While they didn't have my first choice of the chicken entree, AA never fails to impress for me.



Appetizer and salad. I forgot to take a picture of the starter of warm nuts and my favorite cranapple juice



Beef entree. Excellent meal - loved the vegetables



Dessert of vanilla ice cream sundae with raspberry sauce and graham cracker topping


During the meal service, I watched the movie "Frost/Nixon" which I found to be very good, I really enjoyed it. The format threw me a curveball, but I still really enjoyed it.

After dinner and the movie, I was dead-tired from the built up jetlag. I also had a full day coming up the next morning, so I reclined the seat and slept for as long as I could - about 8 hours solid - going all the way until breakfast service about 1 hour out of DFW.



Hot breakfast option. I was going to get the cereal until I was told they didn't have my favorite Raisin Bran Big grin



View of the Rocky Mountains



Moving map of our route of flight


I was actually somewhat surprised to see we were doing a great circle routing for the return flight to DFW. Lately, given seasonal winds, most eastbound TransPac flights have been using mid-Pacific routings. I guess given the winds that day though, we were filed on a great circle routing.



Top of descent into DFW



Descent into DFW just prior to flaps 1 extension



Turning final into DFW. DFW airport visible in top left corner of pic



On the ground in DFW, another AA 777 at Concourse D


We ended up arriving at 850a, 10 minutes before scheduled arrival. Luckily, I was able to clear customs & immigration very quickly and made my connecting flight to ROW with a few minutes to spare, arriving to the gate area at about 915a for a 945a departure. Here's official thanks to DFW13L for all his explanations, help, and info with arriving internationally into DFW  Big grin

Thanks to everyone for reading and any comments/feedback appreciated!!
 
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Wed May 20, 2009 6:36 am

Very nice trip report! AA's new business class looks great! How does it compare to DL and UA's new business class seats (on the 763s and 744s) ?

Where are you transferring to ? Good luck with that and looking forward to your next report!

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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Wed May 20, 2009 6:59 am

I agree, great trip report. It was interesting to see how AA treated its NRT flights. My trip to NRT in January was supposed to be r/t on NW, but I slept through the return and came back on UA instead.  Smile I had a really pleasant experience in NWA WBC. I'm interested in seeing your travel companion's opinions on the flight! The food looks better on AA than what I had on NWA.

I love that NWA 744. I tend to believe as well that DTW can handle the NRT flights better than ATL, but DL will do what DL wants to do...

Just an aside question, I assume you non-revved on both flights? Are you the employee/dependent of either NW, DL, or AA? I was lucky enough to get upgraded on DTW-NRT with a ZED on NW. The last time I flew AA longhaul (also on a ZED) I wasn't lucky enough to get upgraded, but it was on an completely packed AB6 with a relatively small J-class cabin compared to the 777. Just wondering if you wooed your way into the cabin, or if they are just typically nice enough to stick you there if there are seats available.  Smile
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Wed May 20, 2009 7:13 am

I remember JL had daily nonstop service ATL-NRT using a 747-400. On AA flights, premium class can be difficult to get if there are premium members upgrading or if it's an oversold flight. I have not flown business class on AA. It's good you had 2 seats to yourself, because if you are in a window or middle seat and want to get out, it's nearly impossible if the person on the aisle is in a full reclining position. The meal service looks nice.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
Given AA's rather ridiculous system of time-stamp priority for rank-ordering nonrevs, I showed up to the terminal about 3 hours prior to the flight to check in. Incidentally, it was my first ever time in NRT's Terminal 2, as all my other previous flights into and out of NRT have been at Terminal 1 on NW and UA.

It's done by time you check in and your priority. How do you do it on DL or UA?
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Wed May 20, 2009 11:46 pm

As always, Excellent TR Matt!

I love reading reviews on my favorite route (DFW-NRT-DFW). Ive flown it seveal times myself and always had good trips.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
I was especially looking forward to my flight on NRT-DFW on AA. The route, NRT-DFW, seems to be quite the cash cow for AA as it consistently runs full in the premium cabins. Coupled with typically high nonrev numbers, it's a hard route to get J-class on while nonrevving. So, when I saw the light (relatively) loads in premium on the way home, I had to jump on it.

Indeed. Its very hard to get a nonrev premium seat on that route. Although its easier on AA/175/176 vs. flights 60/61. The later DFW-NRT flights fill up very easily in J and F.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
Couple quick impressions about the ATL-NRT route. Overall, it seems to be a very poor performer. Initially, DL upgraded it to twice daily while simultaneously reducing DTW-NRT to 10x or 11x weekly. Since then, DL has reduced ATL-NRT to 10x weekly and then subsequently completely terminating the 777 service on ATL-NRT, leaving it as only a single daily 744. All the while, DTW-NRT remains as 10x-11x weekly and runs with consistently higher load factors than the ATL-NRT.

Ive noticed that both DTW-NRT and ATL-NRT are only going to be daily with the 744 starting in October. No more 10x weekly either place. That might be a better fit. DL always pulled good yields on ATL-NRT when it was just a daily 777. Maybe its a little much right now at 11x weekly.
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu May 21, 2009 12:02 am

I might do something similar next week. Although I would take DL55 ATL-NRT on the 777 and return on DL800 NRT-ATL on the 744. That way I can try both  Smile
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu May 21, 2009 12:52 am

Was there a meal service on the ATL-NRT portion of your trip? I only ask because there were no photos of it.
 
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu May 21, 2009 12:55 am

Hi there!

Great report again, gotta love the new AA J product! Can someone explain to me how nonreving works in the states? It seems you are eligible for premium cabins regardless of your airline employer?

Say an employee of a certain Oneworld British airline happened to be in the states looking to do a Transcon - how does this work with one of our issued ID tickets? Eligibility seems to be Y only, does this make a difference in the US?

Regards,

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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu May 21, 2009 12:58 am

Great TR

Really like the pics.

Seems you had a very enjoyable flight on AA.



Thank you for sharing

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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu May 21, 2009 1:06 am



Quoting Ollieg84 (Reply 7):
Say an employee of a certain Oneworld British airline happened to be in the states looking to do a Transcon - how does this work with one of our issued ID tickets? Eligibility seems to be Y only, does this make a difference in the US?

It all depends on the gate agent. I usually try to put any OAL ID travellers in First if available after all others have been processed. If I have seats there, I will give them to passengers hoping that karma will one day hit me back  Smile
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu May 21, 2009 1:21 am



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
Ive noticed that both DTW-NRT and ATL-NRT are only going to be daily with the 744 starting in October. No more 10x weekly either place. That might be a better fit. DL always pulled good yields on ATL-NRT when it was just a daily 777. Maybe its a little much right now at 11x weekly.

That, and the new flights from SLC and JFK which will be taking up a significant amount of feed.
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu May 21, 2009 1:39 am

What I don't understand is why business/first class passengers are wearing jeans/shorts, tshirts, and tennis shoes? I understand most passengers probably pay those $1000 upgrade fees at the airport, that's fine, but I thought most airlines strict non-rev travels to wear casual clothes.

I flew on NW 800 yesterday from NRT to ATL in J class, and probably half the of passengers in J were wearing like what you'd wear in Cancun. I'm 25 years old and I wore my nice Gulfstream attire suit, even this 12 year old kid who flew in J with his Delta/NWA employee parent, was indeed nicely dressed.

But man, maybe I should wear my socal boardshorts, billabong tshirt, and my bikini thong sandals on board my return trip back to Tokyo on DL/NWA in business class. I wonder if I'll get denied flying in J class because I am not adhere to the airline's dress policy.

BTW, nice trip report. I know your father is 744 captain, so he could've been the PIC on my flight yesterday, so I bet you're a type of dude that dress nicely when you non-rev. Kudos and happy flying.

Oh, BTW, your flight was on the news all over Japan about the "disease quarantine" the plane, or maybe it was another NWA flight. Were 3 Canadians on board that flight got the swine?

[Edited 2009-05-20 18:51:34]
 
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Thu May 21, 2009 2:31 am

Excellent TR as always!!!!
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu May 21, 2009 4:32 am



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 10):

That, and the new flights from SLC and JFK which will be taking up a significant amount of feed.

I wonder if DL anticipated to what degree the SLC and JFK flights would affect the ATL and DTW flights. DL has flooded NRT with capacity and it seems they are realizing its a bit much. I applaud them for cutting capacity and not routes (i.e. taking away the additional flights from ATL and DTW vs. cutting SLC).

I also think 11x weekly is more than the ATL-NRT market demands. A daily 744 should do the trick. Still an upgrade from what they had, but not overkill.
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu May 21, 2009 4:42 am

Oh how cute, an Anet date to Narita.  rotfl 

I guess these aren't getting old. We are glad you got upgraded. I enjoy the pics of the AA bird. Keep them coming?  yes 
 
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu May 21, 2009 5:39 am



Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
How does it compare to DL and UA's new business class seats (on the 763s and 744s) ?

The new UA Biz class is quite nice, though in terms of food service, UA is still rather inferior.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
Where are you transferring to ?

CSA / gate agent

Quoting Triple7man (Reply 3):
How do you do it on DL or UA?

Date of hire seniority. Similar systems at NW, DL, UA, CO, and I believe US as well. AA is the only one who does the system the way they do.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
The later DFW-NRT flights fill up very easily in J and F.

Tell me about it.... I've tried many a time now to get on DFW-NRT and no dice, haha.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
Although I would take DL55 ATL-NRT on the 777 and return on DL800 NRT-ATL on the 744. That way I can try both

RR-powered 777??

You'll be splashing down all over hell and creation  Wink

Quoting Caleb1 (Reply 6):
Was there a meal service on the ATL-NRT portion of your trip? I only ask because there were no photos of it.

2.5 meal services. I just didn't want to post those pics to avoid being especially redundant with the other TR.

Quoting Ollieg84 (Reply 7):
It seems you are eligible for premium cabins regardless of your airline employer?

Not really. AA tends to be especially strict with not allowing upgrades of offline nonrevs. DL, on the other hand, seems to upgrade most nonrevs, including offline, if there are premium seats avail.

Quoting Gocaps16 (Reply 11):
What I don't understand is why business/first class passengers are wearing jeans/shorts, tshirts, and tennis shoes?

DL's elimination of the dress code. In a way, it was nice, but wearing shorts and sandals is taking it too far. Jeans, sure. But some people like to take advantage of a good thing.

Quoting Gocaps16 (Reply 11):
BTW, nice trip report. I know your father is 744 captain, so he could've been the PIC on my flight yesterday,

Nah, he's been out of the saddle for awhile. His first trip back in the saddle is an AMS 3-day next week. It's going to be operated with three captains.... talk about asking for trouble with a cockpit crew like that, haha.

Quoting Gocaps16 (Reply 11):
so I bet you're a type of dude that dress nicely when you non-rev.

I try  Silly

Quoting FXramper (Reply 14):
Oh how cute, an Anet date to Narita.

Nahh...

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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu May 21, 2009 6:39 am

Nice report, one question, how do you nonrev on two different airlines? One parent working for each one?
 
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Thu May 21, 2009 7:27 am



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 15):
Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
Where are you transferring to ?

CSA / gate agent

Where is CSA ? I was thinking more location rather than position since you said you were moving west......

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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu May 21, 2009 10:29 am

nice report but you mention CAP2008 has a better report yet you have no link to it.
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Thu May 21, 2009 10:38 am

Man, that was a quick posting. You're just lucky you only have one flight to report on, I've got three! Expect my ATL-NRT-HNL-ATL report to be posted sometime on or before Saturday gents.

Great report matt, glad you got to try out the bose QC III headphones, those sure are nice
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Thu May 21, 2009 3:47 pm



Quoting Gocaps16 (Reply 11):
I thought most airlines strict non-rev travels to wear casual clothes.

Not always true. CO recently changed their dress code for BusinessFirst to align with the economy dress code - jean and sneakers are acceptable for all cabins now. Thanks CO!
 
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu May 21, 2009 8:55 pm

Nice report & pictures, thanks for sharing.

Interesting to see how empty the DL/NW flight was, if this is typical, the don't need to run a 744 out of ATL.

Food looks pretty decent on AA.

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Thu May 21, 2009 10:56 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
One of my favorite parts of flying in AA's premium cabins are their meal services. While they didn't have my first choice of the chicken entree, AA never fails to impress for me.

Looks good! I encourage you to try CO's BusinessFirst product. I've flown all the U.S. majors' J classes except AA, but from my experiences, CO has the best food in J class (for a U.S. airline). Because of the portion sizes, appetizers and salads are separate courses, and the entree is followed by fruit and cheese before dessert. While their seats need updating (coming soon), their food is very impressive.
 
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu May 21, 2009 11:27 pm



Quoting Gocaps16 (Reply 11):
What I don't understand is why business/first class passengers are wearing jeans/shorts, tshirts, and tennis shoes? I understand most passengers probably pay those $1000 upgrade fees at the airport, that's fine, but I thought most airlines strict non-rev travels to wear casual clothes.

Hardly. You might have one or two who do, but most have accrued enough miles and have a high enough status where they can pay for a Y or C class ticket and upgrade to First. Either that or their travel contract with their employer stipulates they must travel in C or F.

As for the strict dress-code policy, it seems to be going on the wayside. Corporate culture (of the airline) will of course dictate how loose dress-codes are enforced or amended.
 
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Fri May 22, 2009 12:33 am

Great TR! Good choice of the routing too! Im dying to get on a 777 so I'd probably do the same exact thing or maybe just grab the DL 777 flight.
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Fri May 22, 2009 2:18 am



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 15):
RR-powered 777??

Hell if I know, there's one big engine under each wing  Smile
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Fri May 22, 2009 2:48 am



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 15):
DL's elimination of the dress code. In a way, it was nice, but wearing shorts and sandals is taking it too far. Jeans, sure. But some people like to take advantage of a good thing.



Quoting Modesto2 (Reply 20):
Not always true. CO recently changed their dress code for BusinessFirst to align with the economy dress code - jean and sneakers are acceptable for all cabins now. Thanks CO!



Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 23):
As for the strict dress-code policy, it seems to be going on the wayside. Corporate culture (of the airline) will of course dictate how loose dress-codes are enforced or amended.

I guess that explains why, haha. Thanks for the info. I may ditch the suit then next time. Always like reading your TR Transpac787, like to see other people's opinions. Keep it up.
 
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Fri May 22, 2009 4:03 am



Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
Again, see CAP2008's TR for all the info on the flight.

So, what's up with your outsourcing all the work??

Great trip report. Glad you liked J class on my 777. Yes, they're all mine.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
Here's official thanks to DFW13L for all his explanations, help, and info with arriving internationally into DFW

You are welcome. Anytime my friend! And if anyone else needs advice about DFW, I'm sort of a regular there, so just hit me up. Haha!
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Fri May 22, 2009 2:20 pm



Quoting Shawn Patrick (Reply 16):
One parent working for each one?

Yes sir.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
Where is CSA

Customer Service Agent.

I'm not transfering to a new station, just internal trasfer within my station.

Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 19):
Great report matt, glad you got to try out the bose QC III headphones, those sure are nice

I would buy a pair but my wallet is not as thick as thee  Wink

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 21):
the don't need to run a 744 out of ATL.

No, they could indeed use the 744, they just certainly do not need the 4x weekly 777 as a second service.

Quoting Modesto2 (Reply 22):
Looks good! I encourage you to try CO's BusinessFirst product.

I would but I have no way to. I can do CO on domestic, just no premium or international.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 25):
Hell if I know, there's one big engine under each wing

Yea... the DL 772ER's are Trent powered. I encourage you to try the GE powered 772LR's... way superior Big grin

Quoting GOCAPS16 (Reply 26):
Keep it up

Thanks!

Quoting DFW13L (Reply 27):
Great trip report. Glad you liked J class on my 777. Yes, they're all mine.

True enough. How many you been on now... 20-some?? That was only my 3rd AA 777 ride, haha.
 
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Sat May 23, 2009 4:02 am



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 28):
I would but I have no way to. I can do CO on domestic, just no premium or international.

Yeah you can. NW has a C agreement with CO. I did it OSL-EWR last year
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Sat May 23, 2009 8:45 am



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 28):
True enough. How many you been on now... 20-some?? That was only my 3rd AA 777

How many UIA 777 aircraft have you been on ? How many UA 777 flights ?

Take Care

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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Sat May 23, 2009 8:16 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 28):
I would buy a pair but my wallet is not as thick as thee

lol, if you ever get around to it, go buy em in PDX (or anywhere else in OR), so you don't have to pay sales tax.

I also just posted my TR featuring the ATL-NRT leg of this TR as a report on NRT-HNL-ATL, so feel free to check it out guys http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/trip_reports/read.main/148934/
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Sat May 23, 2009 10:26 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 15):

RR-powered 777??

You'll be splashing down all over hell and creation Wink

Hmm....I don't think Roswell is that bad.... I mean you are writing this from hell no, since you took an RR powered -223 on that trip? Oh, what's that you say? You're full of it...I know you are, it's ok.  Wink

In any event, excellent report!

Cheers,
Cameron
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Sun May 24, 2009 3:20 pm



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 29):
Yeah you can. NW has a C agreement with CO. I did it OSL-EWR last year

Seriously?!

How do I order those.... on Radar or do you have to call??

Quoting The777Man (Reply 30):
How many UIA 777 aircraft have you been on ? How many UA 777 flights ?

15x total 777 flights, 3x on AA and 12x on UA

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 32):
since you took an RR powered -223 on that trip?

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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Tue May 26, 2009 9:31 pm

Great TR!

Any pics from ROW?  Smile
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:18 pm

Good TR. One question I have though. I am trying to go to NRT next week from ORD, and the flight I was looking at was on AA. Its pretty full in Y, but C and F have open seats from what I see. How hard is it to get an upgrade on a ZED fare, and would there be an easier carrier to try it with?
 
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:29 am

Great trip report!

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 15):
Date of hire seniority. Similar systems at NW, DL, UA, CO, and I believe US as well. AA is the only one who does the system the way they do.

Sorry, but first come first serve is the way to go. Nothing like sitting at the airport for hours to have some 30 year employee or dependent knock you off your priority. Plus, then no one would retiree! Seniority is for bidding, it should not control all aspects of your career.
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:53 am



Quoting AA767400 (Reply 36):
Sorry, but first come first serve is the way to go.

So AA stands alone as the only one who's figured out the right way to do it??

I think not Big grin

NW, DL, UA, CO, F9, US, OO, OH, CP, XJ, 9E, etc... all do DOH for nonrev seniority. The law of numbers here would suggest that first-come first-served is *not* the way to go!!

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 36):
Nothing like sitting at the airport for hours to have some 30 year employee or dependent knock you off your priority.

Buyer beware - that's the name of the game

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 36):
Plus, then no one would retiree!

How do you figure, given how the retirement rate at NW/DL is markedly higher than that of AA??  Wink

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 36):
Seniority is for bidding, it should not control all aspects of your career.

How do you figure seniority "controls" your career?? It helps you advance, certainly a 'pro' not a 'con'.

Besides, everyone gets senior eventually.
 
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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:37 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 37):
So AA stands alone as the only one who's figured out the right way to do it??

I think not Big grin

Nope, WN does first come, first serve too!

Hmmh, the two airlines who does first come first serve also the two airlines that have NOT gone into BK...hmmh  Wink (j/k)

I support first come, first serve as well.

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RE: DL 747-400 Biz ATL-NRT, AA 777-200 Biz NRT-DFW

Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:21 pm

Traspac, I have something to confess.

Yesterday was the first time, while juggling three different nonrev options on a bad nonrev day, where I will admit I wished AA had seniority based-nonrev!

Yeah, I'm getting older and the seniority-based looks better, now with my 10.5 years at AMR  Smile

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