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DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC-HKG

Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:11 pm

Dear all,

After numerous requests about a trip report on one of my flights this year, I finally found the time to prepare one. This is my first trip report, I hope you will enjoy reading it and please provide comments/feedback for improvements. Just one note upfront, I have decided not to publish the exact travel dates to maintain privacy of the crew I will refer to in this report.

Background & Preparation

Flying on the DC-10 was high on my list since years. In the 1980’s I have flown on Varig’s DC-10s and return on BCal’s DC-10s from London to Los Angeles, but couldn’t remember anything except that everyone was winging about the food. In 2004, I was booked on one of NWA’s DC-10, but I had to cancel the trip on short notice due to unforeseen work commitments  faint . After reading a trip report from user Airpearl about a flight on BG routing SIN-BKK, I was clear that BG is most likely the last chance for a DC-10 ride. Thanks to user Airpearl, I got recommended a very good (and patient) travel agent in Malaysia, who was able to share Amadeus schedules and book domestic and international BG tickets, which is surprisingly rare. Due to time constraints and visa application procedures, I finally decided to make things easy and book a one-way flight to HKG by just transiting in DAC (the BG DC-10’s are also flying domestically, hence the thought of booking multiple flights as a backup). The disadvantage was a high risk of equipment change, which happens very frequently in BG’s schedules.

After numerous attempts throughout 2009 due to random BG Amadeus schedule changes, I finally found a suitable date for November, and firmly booked the ticket for about AU$ 450 (US$350) one-way DAC-HKG. The trip was to start from KUL, so I booked a MH ticket to get into DAC and continue on BG to HKG. This itinerary still resulted in a transit time of 12h in Dhaka, but in real A.net fashion sacrifices need to be done in order to get on rare aircraft  tired . After some research I found out that DAC airport seems to have improved over the years and is not as bad as one would expect, and it was judged to be ok for an overnight transit.

Fly-In

As mentioned, my inbound flight was on MH, and one of the older A330s:

A330-322
9M-MKE
Delivered: 02/04/1995 to MH
KUL-DAC (MH196)
November 2009
22:40-01:20, flying time 3:40h
Seat 40K

The flight was uneventful and it was about 80% full. While approaching DAC, I was observing many blinking orange lights, all across the city. Does anyone know what this could be? Ship 9M-MKE came in on a downwind leg for a Rwy 14 approach. The other surprising thing was that this A330 had a single strobe light on its wing-tips. I had the impression that all Airbus aircraft had double strobe-lights? Also, on departure in KUL, I was not able to obtain a boarding pass for the connection flight on BG. But the travel agent has confirmed upfront that the BG transit desk in DAC will provide me with a boarding pass. To make things easier, I only travelled with carry-on luggage.

Transit

Arriving in DAC at about 1:20am, I immediately headed to the BG transit desk, asking when I could obtain a boarding pass. I was told that around 9am they would be able to check me in for a 1:30 pm departure. Shortly after, I started exploring the airport where I would stay for the next 12h. With the knowledge from the internet pages such as sleepinginairports.com, etc I knew that there is not much to expect. I found the airport basic, but ok for 12h. The only but massive problem was mosquitoes. I was wearing a long sleeved shirt, but unable to cover my hands completely. As a result I had numerous mosquito bites after a few hours of dozing on some plastic chairs. The airport was quite busy during the night due to several Hajj departures. I found a spot near a restaurant with a TV, where I was watching Bangladeshi soap operas with some locals but not understanding a single word. But the principle of soap operas is the same worldwide so I was just fine. The owner of that restaurant tried to generate some business by asking me numerous times if I wanted some food, but I kindly rejected. Eventually I was able to sleep for 2-3h, but activity in the airport increased at around 6am.

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At around 8am, I headed to the transit desk for the second time, being told to come back at 10am. Then at 9am I made another attempt, and the friendly staff provided me with a boarding pass. At that point, I was able to confirm that equipment type was a DC-10, which gave me some relief. Secondly, I was a bit concerned that I wouldn’t be able to get a good seat, but the BG staff member told that today’s flight was a very light load, and that I could move around the cabin before departure.

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Now I was a proud owner of a DC-10 boarding pass  spin  Disadvantage was that I still had another 4.5h of waiting time to kill. Then, I headed to the front side to check out traffic and movements. I spotted some MGM MD-80s, several BG F-28, and a single BG DC-10 on the remote stand. The atmosphere outside was hazy and sticky, one could tell that Bangladesh is a hot & humid country.

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Shortly after, ship S2-ACR was towed to the gate to operate the Kathmandu flight. At the neighboring gate, a BG A310-300 was prepared for another departure, but can’t remember its destination.

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At about 12pm and about 90mins before the scheduled departure still no DC-10 was visible to operate my flight, and I was getting a bit nervous worrying about a delay or equipment change. But luckily just then another DC-10 was slowly towed to Gate 4  relieved  It turned out to be ship S2-ACQ. You can make out the characteristic DC-10 shape behind this Bangladeshi wild life that I spotted in action:

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In parallel, there was some more activity, an Air Atlanta 747-300 (TF-AME) arrived for another Hajj shuttle, and ship S2-ACR departed to operate the Kathmandu flight. S2-ACR departed Rwy 32, although all other traffic used Rwy 14. I also missed a great shot at departure when it was flying just above ship S2-ACQ, but there was some military staff just next to me so I decided to skip this one.

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Boarding

Then, about 70mins before the scheduled departure, an announcement was made that all passengers flying to ‘Singapore’ should proceed to Gate 4, freezing my heart for a moment that this wasn’t my plane. As I walked to Gate 4, I saw that the display said ‘BG 078 to Hong Kong’, so it turned out that the announcement was incorrect. Only then I had the final confirmation that all is according to plan  relieved . I was the first one to pass the security screening and get my boarding pass checked.

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Waiting at the gate, I was able to grab some clean shots of S2-ACQ. In parallel, the Bangladesh Air Force was flying continuous patterns with its Chinese MiG-21UM alike (Chengdu?) trainers, check out one of them taking off just above the left wingtip.

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At that time about 30mins were left until boarding, and the crew arrived. I spotted two complete sets of crews, later I found out why.

Only about 40-50 pax arrived over the next minutes, almost all of them relatively young male Bangladeshis. There were also some wealthy looking Chinese businessmen and only about 1 or 2 females. Boarding took place perfectly on time. While I was entering the aircraft, the most senior cabin staff member greeted me very friendly, asking where I was from. I quickly grabbed the opportunity and asked whether it would be possible to visit the cockpit during flight. I said that I am an Aerospace Engineer and that I am interested in Aviation. He straight said that he will try to arrange something for me.

Pushback was again perfectly on time, and while were taxiing to the holding point of Rwy 14, I grabbed some shots of one of the most interesting parts of an airport: the maintenance area and corrosion corner.

There were two more DC-10s at the maintenance hangar, one in BG colors and one in white. The white aircraft looked like it was stripped for parts, but I couldn’t confirm the reg whether it was one of the four BG DC-10s. Other interesting aircraft included a L-1011, two OX 747 and a former Saudi 747 in a poor condition.

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Departure

Here are the flight details:

DC-10-30
S2-ACQ
Delivered: 30.11.1979 to SQ
DAC-HKG (BG078)
November 2009
13:30-18:00, flying time 3:30h
Seat: 30J

At the holding point of Rwy 14, we were holding short for a BG A310-300 arrival.

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We then lined up and departed on time. Take-off was interesting and I was paying attention to technical details such as engine spool up, control surfaces, climb performance and the way the aircraft behaved. While thundering down Rwy 14, some MiG-21s were holding short for another sortie.

We then climbed out over Dhaka city heading South-East, followed by a left turn for an eastbound heading.

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In cruise, I started grabbing some cabin shots. As mentioned before, the cabin was totally empty. Almost everyone went to sleep even before we took off.

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Later, I moved around and took some shots from the left side. From the shade, you can grasp the characteristic shape of the number 2 engine.

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About an hour after departure, lunch was served which was quite good. I also got served several drinks throughout the flight.

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After lunch I reconfirmed with the flight attendants if it was possible to visit the cockpit. Feedback was positive, and I grabbed my camera and went to the front. The crew was relatively busy while cruising over China. There was another captain on the jump seat who I was chatting to most of the time. The crew was really friendly, actually excusing themselves for this old aircraft type. I straight replied that this was the main reason for being on-board, and that as an Aerospace Engineer, I have more a fable for this generation of aircraft. I was also chatting about BG’s fleet renewal plans and how long the DC-10s will remain in the fleet. They said that the 777s will arrive within a few months, and that the DC-10s will get retired by then, but no firm date was given.

The crew loved the DC-10, the captain was flying them for over 20 years. Other equipment he was working with included the 707 and F-28, as for most of the other crew members on-board. I was also asking about their opinion about the handling characteristics of the DC-10, mentioning the three landing accidents of the MD-11 this year alone. The flight engineer nodded to confirm that he knew about these incidents, but the captain said that he had no problems and said the aircraft is just fine to fly and in particular, to land. After about 30 mins, I was asking if it was possible to stay during landing, but this time the reply was negative referring to authority restrictions.

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When I left the cockpit, I got offered from the senior cabin staff to stay in the front section of the aircraft, which I took with pleasure. The Chinese pax and the additional BG air crew were scattered around in that section of the aircraft. It looked like a Business Class section, however seating and pitch was the same as in the rear of the plane (2-5-2). I chose seat 7J on the right, just in front of engine number 3. The senior cabin staff member came for another chat and elaborated how much he liked the DC-10. He said it is such a sturdy aircraft and has served BG well for many years. I also got offered more hot drinks. I have to say that on this flight, I have experienced one of the friendliest crews I can remember, and it was a very positive atmosphere  highfive .

At that point we also started to descend, and sun was just about to set. I grabbed some more cabin shots in natural light.

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It was completely dark once we dived into the clouds, hence no more photos possible and I lost orientation after the sun was gone. First, it looked like we were going for a downwind leg for a Rwy 25 arrival, but after some turns I figured out that we headed for a Rwy 07L arrival. The approach was quite rough, with lots of fog and clouds.

We touched down in real DC-10 style, it was the heaviest landing I can recall from all flights I have been on. The airframe shook violently, and I think we left plenty of burned rubber on Rwy 07L.

We taxied to the gate, and the few pax of the front cabin got up immediately and waited near the door. The middle and rear economy was still separated by curtains, giving me the chance for some last photos of the then empty cabin (apologies for the lens hood shade, what a beginners mistake).

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When I left the aircraft, I thanked the friendly crew one more time. The crew would head back to DAC immediately, explaining while the second cockpit crew was on-board.

While walking down the finger, we were welcomed by a good dozen of Hong Kong policemen for an on-spot passport control. It looked like they were after someone, but I guess it was just a routine check. I headed to the hotel in Hong Kong Island for a well deserved sleep, ready to wake up at 4:30am the next morning to depart on OX203 bound for BKK operated by a 747-100B(SR/SUD). Luckily I had about 10h of time, plenty since the BG flight was perfectly on time. Reading about BGs on-time performance worried me a little before hand, but it seems that today I was lucky with the BG078 performance.

Conclusion

I have to say that I would take the opportunity again anytime if I could; it was such an awesome experience. On this way, a big thanks to user Airpearl for his advice and help, the friendly crew & BG staff and the travel agent who has shown a lot of patience after many date changes. My experience was absolutely positive, and I can recommend this trip to everyone. As I was told by the air crew, BG078 to Hong Kong seems to be a safe DC-10, apparently no equipment change on this route.

Hope you enjoyed reading this trip report, and questions are welcome. Also, I have been on plenty of other interesting flights this year, including Il-96, Il-86, 747 SP (including a jumpseat approach & landing), 727, 747-100, and several Tu-154B/M & Tu-134B. I will try to post reports on these trips soon if you are interested.

Regards,
Loran

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RE: DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC-HKG

Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:49 pm

Thanks for a great Christmas Day read!! Looking forward to the other trip reports
 
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RE: DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC-HKG

Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:10 pm

Yes please! I would love to hear about your experiences on the SP and -100. I suspect many other A-Netters would as well. You have flown some interesting, older aircraft types, and you are very fortunate. These planes are a piece of history, and carry so much nostalgia for all of us who grew up flying and falling in love with aviation.

You write a very descriptive and enjoyable TR, and I'm pleased you had such a great experience flying the DC-10. And the crew's hospitality is a pleasure to hear. I've flown United and Northwest's DC-10's in my life, in 2000, and found the planes to be very unique to say the least.

How was the ride on your DC-10? Did the plane feel solid, or was there a lot of flutter, or rattling, which I experienced on my DC-10 flights. They just wallowed through the air, and I could feel the ship's age on every turn. Not an unpleasant feeling, but in stark contrast to the tight, solid flying newer 777s.

Thanks for a unique and very well done report!
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RE: DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC-HKG

Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:23 pm

What an amazing trip report. I am jealous of your experience and am not surprised that you have had such a positive experience with Biman crew. Like Air India and Sri Lankan, you treat them right, they are the best crew you will experience in the world. I hope to do this flight in 2010 ... just need to figure out how to position myself for the same.

Saludos and thanks for sharing this unique report,
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RE: DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC-HKG

Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:45 pm

Thanks, great report and good to hear that the crew was so friendly.

Did you have any problems taking photos in DAC?

Look forward to reading some of your upcoming trip reports, they seem to be very interesting trips Big grin

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RE: DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC-HKG

Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:17 pm

LOVED the trip report! Biman seems like a wonderful airline, and your crew seemed to strive to please the passengers.

It would be interesting to fly them on the 777 and see how the service and attitude compared. Are the Biman DC-10 pilots going to get the rating necessary to fly the 777's coming online? (I don't know if you asked them that question)

Thanks,
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RE: DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC-HKG

Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:20 pm

Thank you for the interesting trip report on BG!

It looks that BG has removed the Business class upfront (I think it was called Maslim Executive class?)

I'm wondering if BG is planning to fly to JFK again?
BG flew many years via BRU to JFK.

Best Regards,

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RE: DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC-HKG

Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:50 pm

Hi Loran!

What an excellent first trip report! .. It is always interesting to see something on Biman.

I must say that the cabin seems to be in almost an immaculate condition, from your great pictures!

Also, off-late i am noticing less horrific Biman-style delays, which if true, is a very good thing!


I have been on Syrianair's SP last year, and it was a fantastic ride. It really took me back in time! .. Looking forward to your SP report. If you flew it this year, it must have been Iran Air! .. Perhaps to KUL?


Thanks a lot for sharing! Looking forward to more!


Regards,
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RE: DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC-HKG

Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:59 pm

Hey and thanks for the very interesting report! Well written and great pictures which I'm sure make many anet members jealous! Keep those reports coming!

Regards,

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RE: DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC-HKG

Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:08 pm

Excellent report and photos. I would love to get on a BG DC-10. I love the interior also a step back in time. Shame that soon it will be gone. End of an era.

Great report to read on Xmas day as others have commented.

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RE: DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC-HKG

Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:26 pm

what a cool retro plane... you obviously have an appreciation for the the technical specs of the dc-10. Highlights where the flightdeck, and the lovely big wings. Also the fact that the particular plane has been flying for 10 years longer than I've been on this planet is pretty amazing...

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
I will try to post reports on these trips soon if you are interested.

Need you ask!?

Many thanks for an excellent and unique first TR.

L
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Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:34 pm

Thanks a lot for this great report! Nice for christmas  Smile These airplanes for sure need to be replaced in the opinion for "classic passengers", however I would love to see them in the sky for a long time more.
 
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Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:49 pm

Great report - nice to fly on an old jet like this like going back in time.

I like the pic of the PCU at Dhaka Airport, I'd love to get hold of one of those
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Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:51 pm

Thank you for writing such a great report. I love the cabin and cockpit pictures. Boarding the DC-10 must have seemed like you stepped into a time machine back to the 1970's lol.
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Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:39 am

What an amazing trip you had! I've never seen a DC-10/11 plane in real life unfortunately, but I hope to soon! Seems like your trip on BIman and to Bangladesh was a unique experience.

Are all of BG's DC-10s operated in single Y class?
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RE: DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC

Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:37 pm

Dear all,

Thanks a lot for the positive feedback, I am glad you liked the report.

Quoting HOOB747 (Reply 2):
How was the ride on your DC-10? Did the plane feel solid, or was there a lot of flutter, or rattling, which I experienced on my DC-10 flights. They just wallowed through the air, and I could feel the ship's age on every turn. Not an unpleasant feeling, but in stark contrast to the tight, solid flying newer 777s.

Very good question, I totally forgot to mention what came out of all my observations of the technical details. The DC-10 indeed had very unique characteristics.

Engine spool-up at takeoff was very slow, the crew stabilized the engines at about 40% N1 and held that rpm for almost 30 sec, which felt like forever. Only then they set take-off thrust, and everything started vibrating and shaking. The port high-speed aileron was also vibrating like hell, I guess it was an age thing. I remember on all the SR MD-11s I have been on, the #2 engine caused a lot of vibration and noise in the rear of the cabin, but I wasn't able to figure out where the vibrations came from in the BG DC-10. Not sure what engines they had, I guess CF6-50s.

Initial climb felt quite wobbly despite low winds, and control surfaces were very busy, including the spoilers. It got more stable after we reached 1500ft for acceleration.
Climb performance was very impressive due to the low weight.

Cruise was very smooth though, and there was not much difference to other aircraft.
The aircraft was in good condition in the first glimpse, a close look revealed some aging parts though. But I never felt unsafe. Interesting was the door design, they do not fold outwards like most other aircraft, they actually came inwards and then were driven up into the fuselage by an electrical engine.

The descend was quite rough, but I guess due to weather. The crew was adjusting the power many times, depending on flap settings and gear status. The landing was as mentioned very heavy, I wish I could have see this one from outside  Smile

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 3):
Like Air India and Sri Lankan, you treat them right, they are the best crew you will experience in the world.

Absolutely right, I had a similar experience on SriLankan, very friendly people and great service.

Quoting Tk747 (Reply 4):
Did you have any problems taking photos in DAC?

Not at all, I was discrete though. I usually travel with a pocket camera and a SLR. The gate shots at the airport were all taken with the pocket camera to maintain a low profile. Once I was in the aircraft, I switched to the SLR. Only that one particular shot I skipped while there was some military staff just next to me. I even took some shots of the Chengdu Trainers and nobody seemed to care.

Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 5):
It would be interesting to fly them on the 777 and see how the service and attitude compared. Are the Biman DC-10 pilots going to get the rating necessary to fly the 777's coming online? (I don't know if you asked them that question)

Actually I didn't, but the crew looked 'young enough' to switch to another type rating. Only I fear the flight engineer will not like the introduction of 777s. I am unaware though if the 777s are a dry-/wet-lease or purchased and hence if crews are provided.

Quoting AMS (Reply 6):
It looks that BG has removed the Business class upfront (I think it was called Maslim Executive class?)

I'm wondering if BG is planning to fly to JFK again?
BG flew many years via BRU to JFK.

Correct, identical pitch and seating throughout the entire aircraft, but the people in the front section looked as if they paid more. But not sure if there were any differences in the service level, as I only upgraded myself after meals were served  Smile
Regarding JFK, I think I picked up a rumor somewhere that BG was in the process to re-apply for that route, not sure if that is true and what the status is though.

Quoting Lukeyboy95 (Reply 10):
Also the fact that the particular plane has been flying for 10 years longer than I've been on this planet is pretty amazing...

Lol, true. I flew a 727 a month ago which was built in 1974, I wasn't even born at that time  Smile

Quoting Gardermoen (Reply 12):
I like the pic of the PCU at Dhaka Airport, I'd love to get hold of one of those

 highfive  Awesome, I loved that piece of equipment. Actually all BG signs were hand-written, a real time machine.

Quoting Fauzi (Reply 14):
Are all of BG's DC-10s operated in single Y class?

As mentioned, in terms of seating arrangement yes. But it could be that they provide a higher level of service in the front section. The level of service and friendliness I experienced with BG is nowadays rare on some western airlines.

I will try to post the other reports soon, so please keep an eye on this forum.
Thanks again for the positive feedback and happy New Year to all of you!

Cheers,
Loran
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Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:50 pm

Very interesting TR! Great read! Good pics too.

Thanks for sharing!
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Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:59 pm

Terrific trip report. Great pictures and excellent writing. It is my wish to visit Bangladesh. I look outside my window now and I see dirty snow and ice. Hazy and sticky would be nice!
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Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:43 pm



Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
I headed to the hotel in Hong Kong Island for a well deserved sleep, ready to wake up at 4:30am the next morning to depart on OX203 bound for BKK operated by a 747-100B(SR/SUD).

Hope to read THIS trip report very soon...

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
I spotted some MGM MD-80s

Well, MGM- Hollywood - movies etc.! But I guess you saw GMG!
 
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Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:20 pm

Hi Loran,

Great report and pictrures!

It's really nice to read reports such as this, fellow A.Nutters going out of their way to travel on a rare bird.

Had I not managed a few DC-10's myself, I'm quite sure I would have headed to BG to get on one.

I do love the aged cabin interior, looks like true 70's style!

I'd love to read about some of your other trips, so if you get the time, I'd be more than happy to read.

Regards

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Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:18 am

Now this is a TR!! No kidding about Bangladesh being hot and humid....
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Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:20 am

Hi Loran,

excellent report with great pictures! You really took one of the last chances to fly on a passenger DC-10. It's an awesome plane, I remember well my flights on NWA's DC-10-30 and DC-10-40.

What I like most about BG's DC-10 is the retro-style interior.


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Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:11 pm

Hey Loran
Great to see your trip report and fantastic that you finally managed to get on the BG DC10 while we benefit from this rare glimpse into the "glorious" but faded past - I know you've been trying to coordinate your schedules with BG's erratic one for such a long time. Perseverance pays... congratulations!  Smile

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
This itinerary still resulted in a transit time of 12h in Dhaka, but in real A.net fashion sacrifices need to be done in order to get on rare aircraft

Ah, the "sacrifices" we make... hehe. But for me, I think it's become the perfect excuse for a crazy decision: "this is all for A.net..."

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
I found the airport basic, but ok for 12h. The only but massive problem was mosquitoes. I was wearing a long sleeved shirt, but unable to cover my hands completely. As a result I had numerous mosquito bites after a few hours of dozing on some plastic chairs

Thanks for the insight into a "transit" at DAC. I have been thru DAC a few times but none for as long as you: and like you found it surprisingly okay but remember the mossies.

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
At that point, I was able to confirm that equipment type was a DC-10, which gave me some relief.

That's an under-statement in more ways than one I am sure Big grin

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
As I walked to Gate 4, I saw that the display said ‘BG 078 to Hong Kong’, so it turned out that the announcement was incorrect. Only then I had the final confirmation that all is according to plan  

I can imagine the anxiety! With BG you're never sure until aboard...

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
Other interesting aircraft included a L-1011

Wow, what a time warp... fantastic!

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
After lunch I reconfirmed with the flight attendants if it was possible to visit the cockpit. Feedback was positive, and I grabbed my camera and went to the front.

This is such a rare experience today. Well done! I can't remember ever being allowed into the cockpit since I was a kid. And the pic of the flight engineer's side control panel is priceless! Amazing.

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
After about 30 mins, I was asking if it was possible to stay during landing, but this time the reply was negative referring to authority restrictions.

 Wink You tried at least.

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
While walking down the finger, we were welcomed by a good dozen of Hong Kong policemen for an on-spot passport control. It looked like they were after someone, but I guess it was just a routine check

It's pretty routine at HKG, from what I've been able to observe, on flights originating from the subcontinent. Unfortunately, blatant racial profiling at its worst Sad

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
On this way, a big thanks to user Airpearl for his advice and help,

You're welcome. As I said above, it's great to see the trip finally happen for you. You're a natural at trip reports and I look forward to seeing more of yours. You certainly take more unique trips than most of us, and we'll be enriched by more of these  Smile So yes, more please!

cheers,
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Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:36 pm

I envy you!!

I was just stuck in your report !!  wideeyed 

Awesome....must say those are rare birds now.

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):

When I left the cockpit, I got offered from the senior cabin staff to stay in the front section of the aircraft, which I took with pleasure. The Chinese pax and the additional BG air crew were scattered around in that section of the aircraft. It looked like a Business Class section, however seating and pitch was the same as in the rear of the plane (2-5-2). I chose seat 7J on the right, just in front of engine number 3. The senior cabin staff member came for another chat and elaborated how much he liked the DC-10. He said it is such a sturdy aircraft and has served BG well for many years. I also got offered more hot drinks. I have to say that on this flight, I have experienced one of the friendliest crews I can remember, and it was a very positive atmosphere highfive .

how come the biz section was same as Y?
I guess it must be economy...


How come the landing was so hard that the whole frame shook?

But what a fantastic way to fly!!

Long live the DC-10!
And thanks Loran for sharing this report.
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Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:39 pm

Hi loran,

Awesome TR!! Just stunning.

Just remembered our BG DC-10 trip. However we were not in the mind to do anything ex- DAC. So we were lucky enough to do it on a 2 hour hop between SIN and BKK.

Loved to see the plane again. Although I must say we had a smooth landing on the DC-10 at BKK. the airframe did not shake that much.

Good job once again!
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:28 am

Great report - thanks for sharing. Coming to the mosquitoes, the only solution is a standard (sold in many pharmacies in the sub-continent, and possibly in the rest of the world?) insect repellent/ mosquito repellent applied directly on the skin. It's touted as being "safe on the skin" and "safe even for babies", and it works wonders to keep the pests away.

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Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:39 am

Hi Loran,

Very interesting first up report! Well written, thanks for sharing such a unique experience and also thanks for the dedication shown by staying at DAC for 12 hours or so! Pictures were nice as well. I do hope you share your experience on these other classics with us in due course.

Service looks fantastic - I don't think I'll receive that many drinks on one flight for a while, especially in Y! Nice that they allowed you to visit the cockpit. Must be Hong Kong law to not allow anyone else in the cockpit during landing. It's interesting to look at the head rest covers and see that all of them have a no smoking sign on them! It doesn't serve as much of a reminder when you are seated!

Hope to see some more interesting reports soon!

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Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:24 am

Loran,

Your first TR is amazing and unique same as aircraft was!
Great job.  thumbsup 

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Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:08 pm

Hi Loran,

thanks for an amazing post of one of the last DC-10 flying worldwide in passenger terms speaking.

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Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:53 pm

Very nice trip report what is now, amazingly, a rare aircraft.

I haven't flown on a DC-10 in about a decade but it is nevertheless amazing to me that we are at the point where it is the "last chance" to fly in one. I now feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to fly it enough times that it was not even particularly special, other than being one of my favorite airplanes.

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
Also, I have been on plenty of other interesting flights this year, including Il-96, Il-86, 747 SP (including a jumpseat approach & landing), 727, 747-100, and several Tu-154B/M & Tu-134B. I will try to post reports on these trips soon if you are interested.

I would love to hear about any and all of them, especially all the Soviet/Russian types.
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:11 am

Great TR, thanks for sharing. You're very brave to fly BG! And extremely glad you found their crew to be good.
 
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 2:54 pm

Thanks for the positive feedback everyone, it surely will motivate me to write about the other flights I have been on.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 18):
Well, MGM- Hollywood - movies etc.! But I guess you saw GMG!

Ooops, thanks for spotting that little typo.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 21):
What I like most about BG's DC-10 is the retro-style interior.

Same for me, I was wondering though if that interior is the original style ordered by SQ or of BG changed it to their own needs? I particularly liked that painting in the front section between the curtains (the cabin shots after the cockpit visit). Not many aircraft flying today that have a wall painting.

Quoting Airpearl (Reply 22):
Ah, the "sacrifices" we make... hehe. But for me, I think it's become the perfect excuse for a crazy decision: "this is all for A.net..."

Lol, true. I have to say A.net is heavily responsible for developing interest in this type of aircraft  Smile

Quoting Airpearl (Reply 22):
This is such a rare experience today. Well done! I can't remember ever being allowed into the cockpit since I was a kid. And the pic of the flight engineer's side control panel is priceless! Amazing.

Thanks Airpearl. I was surprised myself, but I only ask when I travel outside US / Europe / Australia, and I surprisingly ofter get permission to join the cockpit. But of course most of the time the response is negative.

Quoting Airpearl (Reply 22):
It's pretty routine at HKG, from what I've been able to observe, on flights originating from the subcontinent. Unfortunately, blatant racial profiling at its worst

That is interesting, to me it was actually my first on-spot passport control, despite a couple of arrivals into HKG. I was one of the first to get off, so I was unable to see if anyone ran into problems.

Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 23):
how come the biz section was same as Y?
I guess it must be economy...

How come the landing was so hard that the whole frame shook?

Good question, I was surprised myself. As mentioned, it was technically all economy, however service may have been different. The cabin staff in the front did a very good job and took well care of the guests.

Hard to tell what made the landing so hard, as it was dark outside and I only had little reference to the ground to observe the final approach. It was quite windy that day, and the pilot flying did hardly flare and touched down quite early.

Quoting Ojas (Reply 24):
So we were lucky enough to do it on a 2 hour hop between SIN and BKK.

That was the more conventient option, but also the reason why it took me many months to get on this plane. BG abandoned that flight completely early 2009 and split it into two separate flights operated by two leased Pegasus 737-800s. Then only KUL and HKG were left as DC-10 destinations, and even KUL is not seeing them any more today, leaveing HKG as the only option. I was a bit upset for a while that I missed the easier solution because I have been to BKK many times in the last years. But it eventually worked out fine.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 25):
Coming to the mosquitoes, the only solution is a standard (sold in many pharmacies in the sub-continent, and possibly in the rest of the world?) insect repellent/ mosquito repellent applied directly on the skin. It's touted as being "safe on the skin" and "safe even for babies", and it works wonders to keep the pests away

Sounds like magic  Smile but unfortunately these usually don't work very well with me, and the nearest shower was still over 24h away once I got into DAC. I was wondering though why they have this mosquito problem in the building? Do they get in from outside or do they actually have moist areas within the building? I have never seen these in any other airport building.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 26):
Must be Hong Kong law to not allow anyone else in the cockpit during landing.

Now as you mention it, I remember the crew saying something that in HKG they get checked how much staff / people is / are in the cockpit. At that time I never heard of this, but maybe this is indeed a law at HKG.

Again, thanks to all of you for the great feedback. Also, I will try to post the other reports soon.

Regards,
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Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:05 am



Quoting Loran (Reply 31):
Same for me, I was wondering though if that interior is the original style ordered by SQ or of BG changed it to their own needs?

Well, the seat covers are definitely from BG as they can be found across the fleet. For example:

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I don't know about the rest of the interior as I have never seen photos of the inside of an SQ D10. But it pretty much looks like a basic D10 interior. Other than the seat covers and that painting it could be just about D10 - well, 20 years ago, anyway.
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Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:44 pm

Your report is very special and unique, there aren't many on this forum. I'be been lucky enough to have flown on NW and BG DC-10's, no matter what the airline, the DC-10's have their own characteristics. The rattles, the shakes, the engine noise, compared to say A330/777's.
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Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:32 pm

Hola Loran!

Definitely one the greatest TR ever.

Unusual airline, unusual routing, unusual cabin interior and the best of all... Exceptional crew, going out of their way to please an a.netter... Congratulations on achieving such a goal!

Salut!

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Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:24 pm

Great report, I always think of BG as one of the most exotic airlines on earth, great to have BG trip report.
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:13 am

Very nice report, Loran. Sounds like you had a busier year than I did in 2009 for getting on classic aircraft types.

I'm also going to be posting a BG DC-10 report soon, so it was nice to read your experience too.

I know what you mean about the mosquitoes in DAC. We overnighted in Dhaka and spent a whole day drinking beer on my balcony with the doors open. I realised that night what a HUGE mistake that was!

Looking forward to your other reports too.
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:09 am

Just one question: did you board from the L1 door? That door is usually smaller, hence probably why the DC-10 (and MD-11 as they have the same door designs) is usually boarded through the L2 door.
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:48 am

Great TR! Reminds me of my old days flying from all over Europe to Brazil on RG.....
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:11 pm

Great trip report!!! please keep them coming...I too enjoyed an HKG-LGW flight a few years back on this bird with a stopover in DAC and CDG too!
 
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:44 pm



Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 32):
he seat covers are definitely from BG as they can be found across the fleet

That makes sense, I missed to check for other BG interiors, thanks.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 34):
Definitely one the greatest TR ever.

Unusual airline, unusual routing, unusual cabin interior and the best of all... Exceptional crew, going out of their way to please an a.netter... Congratulations on achieving such a goal!

Thanks a lot Roger! I have plenty more trip reports to write about similar flights, all of them with positive experiences about crews, rare and unusual airlines, routings and aircraft.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 36):
Very nice report, Loran. Sounds like you had a busier year than I did in 2009 for getting on classic aircraft types.

Thanks Ian, it was a very busy year. I was quite lucky in terms of equipment change and everything worked out fine, only the Il-62M I missed and another 707 would have been nice.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 36):
I know what you mean about the mosquitoes in DAC. We overnighted in Dhaka and spent a whole day drinking beer on my balcony with the doors open. I realised that night what a HUGE mistake that was!

Oh I can imagine, it must be worse outside of the airport. I was surprised though that there is a persistent mosquito problem within a building at all. It means that either there is a massive gap in the wall allowing them to get in from outside, or they have moist areas allowing them to reproduce within the building. Nevertheless an interesting airport.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 37):
Just one question: did you board from the L1 door? That door is usually smaller, hence probably why the DC-10 (and MD-11 as they have the same door designs) is usually boarded through the L2 door.

From the picture I took at the gate, it looks like we boarded through the L1. Upon disembarkation, I observed the staff how they disarmed and opened the door. There is an engine running which drives the massive door upwards at the inside of the fuselage. Never paid attention on the MD-11s, but you are right that they would have the same door design. Do all doors on the DC-10/MD-11 work that way?

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Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:31 pm



Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
In parallel, there was some more activity, an Air Atlanta 747-300 (TF-AME) arrived for another Hajj shuttle

Just seeing AME again made this report fantastic  Smile

I saw her when I first went to MAN to see Concorde on her final tour, and when I moved up to MAN I saw her all the time. Miss seeing her now she is not in the UK.

FANTASTIC trip report. Loved the pictures and it has REALLY made me want to fly it before it goes.
I saw one of the DC10s land yesterday while having dinner in T5.

Thank you for a great report.
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:00 am



Quoting Loran (Reply 40):
Do all doors on the DC-10/MD-11 work that way?

Yes. In fact the 767 and L-1011 also have the same kind of doors (at least in the sense that the doors first opens from the outside in before sliding up).
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:30 pm

Hi Loran,

Thanks for your report!! And it make me want to try the DC-10-30 before they are replaced.

My plan would be flying BG from HKG to DAC, then take Dragonair's flight back to Hong Kong exactly that night, therefore I will have 5 hours for transit. However, when tracking the past record of TG79, the on-time performance were not very good.

So I would like to ask some questions about transiting at the Dhaka Airport before I go:

1. Are arrival and departure in same level?
2. Is there any security screening from arrival hall to departure hall?
3. Is it easy enough to find the transit counter, especailly the Dragonair's one?

I am really worry about missing the connecting flight of KA, so I have to make the things clear.

Thanks very much!!

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Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:15 pm

Hi Sutrakhk

Good to hear you are trying the highly recommended BG DC-10.

Quoting sutrakhk (Reply 43):
My plan would be flying BG from HKG to DAC, then take Dragonair's flight back to Hong Kong exactly that night, therefore I will have 5 hours for transit. However, when tracking the past record of TG79, the on-time performance were not very good.

BG's time performance in general is a disaster, although my flight was perfectly on time. Have you considered flying the other way round? In that case you would be independant of BG's time performance, and more important, it is a day flight (if on time). However I remember it was difficult to find a suitable flight into DAC to minimuse transit time, that is why I spent 14h in the transit area. But maybe it is worth checking airlines like GMG or Air Asia? Possibly they have changed their schedules.

Quoting sutrakhk (Reply 43):
1. Are arrival and departure in same level?

Yes, I disembarked the MH flight and was straight in the transit area.

Quoting sutrakhk (Reply 43):
2. Is there any security screening from arrival hall to departure hall?

There was another security screening, right before entering the departure gate. You can see a part of the screening machine on the photo right behind the PCU.

Quoting sutrakhk (Reply 43):
3. Is it easy enough to find the transit counter, especailly the Dragonair's one?

You can't miss it, it is right in the center of the transit area. However there is only one transit desk handled by Biman staff. I was told by user UK_Dispatcher that they handle all airlines, but this is something I would confirm with a BG office. There should be one in HKG. In my case the travel agent in KUL has made the bookings and also confirmed with the BG office on site that transit is possible. Let me know if you want the details of the travel agent.

As I mentioned, I would suggest to fly the other way round if you can arrange it.

Hope this helps, please let me know if you need more information.

Cheers
Loran

PS: In the meantime I have uploaded the take-off video on YouTube, check out a very tired engine spool up and take-off. The fighters holding short are Chengdu F-7 Air Guards (Mig-21s) of the Bangladesh Air Force.

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Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:18 am

Dear Loran,

Thanks for your info, I have booked the ticket today in BG's Hong Kong office, and my itinerary still taking BG79 from HKG to DAC and back on KA111 DAC to HKG.

I also have the same concern about putting BG's flight at the end, and referring your TR, the BG flight depart at 13:30 from DAC, so at the beginning, I planned to do HKG - PK - BKK - TG - DAC - BG - HKG, which I can try PK's A310 for HKG to BKK, and the TG flight arrive DAC at 12:10, perfect match for BG's 13:30 flight to HKG.

However, when I was about booking the flight, BG's office told me that BG78 is departing at 12:30 (Should be caused by the change of summer time table), therefore the via BKK plan doesn't work.

While booking the BG ticket at BG's HKG office, I re-confirmed that my ticket is changeable and cancellable, and my KA's ticket also changeable and cancellable by paying small amount of penalty. So here now I have about 5 hours buffer between BG79 to KA111, my plan is, if BG79 is going to delay more than 3 hours, I would change it to the next flights, to ensure I have enough time for transit in DAC.

Actually, I was keeping track the delay of BG78 and BG79, the delay occurred near every 3 flights, with 80% of delays were less than 3 hours, so hope I can make it this time!

Anyway, thanks for your help and wish me good luck!!

Cheers

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