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Riding The ICE To Catch My Cirrus Air Dornier 328

Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:48 pm

Hi,

Sorry for some of this board to keep you waiting for some time. I really didn’t have amount of time to write a long story, so I made this one as short as possible for me, hopefully still giving you sufficient information about the whole trip.

I was already for a long while that I tried to get on board one of the more interesting propeller machines flying these days. A type which I always liked, and which was common at my homebase at AMS for a long time, when introduced by KLM and flown with the ‘KLM alps’ brand. I always thought,… I get on one some day, but then suddenly they stopped operations, became Air Alps, stopped flying to AMS etc. Some of you already know where I’m talking about now: the Dornier 328.

I decided to fly one in 2010, and not to postpone this plan further into the future, so bookings were made about 8 weeks in advance for very reasonable fares.

The day started with a long train journey to my starting point in Germany. Since my flight would leave from City Airport Mannheim in Southern Germany in early afternoon, an early departure by train out of the Netherlands was my only option.
Some checking gave me a good fare on the direct ICE105 highspeed trainservice (which will only get to high(er) speeds after passing Cologne, but that’s just side info.

A local train and transfer on regular Dutch IC/Intercity service to Utrecht Central was necessary to get on the ICE105. Enabling a smooth tranfer, gave me basically an unnecessary 1 hour to kill in Utrecht Central Station, but the newly opened Starbucks branch made my day with a tasty brewed coffee for EUR 2.50, with a refill available for EUR 0.50 if you can’t get enough.

Utrecht Centraal Station, during the morning rush


I couldn’t finish my first one, so took it onto the train, which left the station punctual (!) at 08:29am. Of course, my reserved seat was occupied by some half kind of criminal (this man was caught later during the right by German borderpolice and taken out of the train), but a short order from me to him to leave my seat made him move up to elsewhere in the carriage.
I travelled in 2nd class this time, giving the seat layout a 2-2 setting, good seatpitch, blue cloth seats, and large windows. You can adjust the seatback by sliding forward a bit also. Convenient enough, even for long journeys.

My 2nd class carriage on ICE105


Hall at carriage connection point. Note the wood accented interior


Info panel (also indicating speed when at highspeed


Lavatories, 1 of 2 is also accessible for wheelchair users


A white landscape enroute…


Mannheim Hbf, arrival point for me (train continues to Basel SBB (CH)


ICE105 called enroute at Arnhem, Oberhausen Hbf, Duisburg Hbf, Düsseldorf Hbf, Köln Hbf (Cologne), Siegburg/Bonn ICE, Frankfurt Flughafen and my final destination Mannheim.
I arrived 25 minutes delayed in Mannheim, and speeds did not get that high after Cologne either, maybe caused by the snow. Weather was not favourable at all in that week.
I got off the train around 12.50pm, bought some fresh sandwiches by a German bakery, and took them with me to eat later. Since I wanted to get myself to the airport first.

Mannheim Hbf, station


A roadtrain/tram line number 6 is going to a point near the airport. That is also basically the only good way to reach it. A large area with tracks and many lines are running from the front of the trainstation. But not line 6 of course.
So I asked at a DB information counter in the mainhall, who said to walk further into the street and at the second crossing turn right. There I would find the stop for line 6. So I did, and indeed after walking for about 8 minutes, I found my place. A ticket needs to be purchased by EUR coins from a ticket dispenser. Since you travel within the city-zone, a regular fare (EUR 2.20) is what you need. And take line 6 roadtrain to it’s final destination ‘Neuostheim’. Get off at Neuostheim and then you can walk to the airport within 5 minutes (actually you can see the building already when you get off the tram).

Destination of line 6, ‘Neuostheim’. Get off the tram here


Is this Mannheim ?


or this? Yes, this is the terminal building which is in use nowadays


I entered the small terminal building and was surprised by it being really small. A small bar and seating area was serving some businessmen, 2 non-staffed check-in desks for the local airline Cirrus Air, and a Cirrus Air ticket/charterflight office. Good for me with a few more seats in front of the glass facing the apron, but as you would expect, no traffic. Here I enjoyed the sandwiches that I bought earlier, and got to see a German army helicopter which came in for a fuelstop.

Mannheim Terminal/Airport buildling inside


the not so exciting apron…


… but we had incoming traffic from the army !


About one hour before departure, one female staff opened her check-in desk, where I obtained a real copy of my boarding pass and went back to my seat. I wondered when my aircraft would come in for landing, but I was more surprised to see it being pulled in by a tractor. My aircraft came out of the hangar, and was really clean and shining like a new aircraft.

My ‘incoming aircraft’


Not long after the door to the next seating area opened, 1 x-ray machine to take for handluggage and myself. Of course, a bag full of electronics caught attention of the Germans (it happens all the time to me at German airports), and an additional ‘explosive’ check was performed. It took a few minutes for me to proceed, but everything was fine and friendly in the end.

D-CPRW, a closer look before boarding


Boarding started at 2.35pm, walking about 10 meters to the aircraft and boarding. A friendly female flight attendant is welcoming at the entrance, and I stepped into the small cabin. Seating layout 1-2, large grey leather seats. Luxury looks. Mirror wall in the back of the cabin, and use of wooden panels in some parts of the cabin. My seat was 12A, and had no overhead bin. And my bag didn’t fit under the seat, so I positioned it behind my seat at row 13 (last row, and used as storage room for the cabin attendant also). I got her attention by doing this, but she was ok with it. On the other side of the aisle was the mini-galley and emergency exit. Also the tiny lavatory. I was still not seated when I noticed the engine were fired up already, and I quickly positioned myself for the ride.

MHG-TXL
Flight No.: C9 1566 Date: 03FEB’10
STD: 1445 ATD: 1442
STA: 1600 ATA: 1550
A/C: Dornier 328 Reg No.: D-CPRW
Seat: 12A


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We taxied out quickly. And the flight attendant was doing the safety demo in front of the cabin, by use of the audio system. The taxi route included backtracking of the runway, and at the end a 180° turn for takeoff. The engines were powered up first, before breakes were released, which made it an interesting takeoff. Soon we got airborne from runway 09 at 2.46pm.

180° turn on the runway before takeoff


and climbing above the clouds


Due to the clouds, climb and beginning of the flight were a bit rough. But once we got clear of the clouds and climbed to a slightly higher altitude, the ride became smooth for the duration of the cruise at 23,000 feet. The flight attendant came to the galley, and I talked a bit with her. She was ok with my picture taking and asked if I already wanted a drink (she didn’t start service yet). I got a Warsteiner 0,2l bottle, which was very nice of her. She then disappeared for her service and I enjoyed the views outside. Once the flight attendant came at my row again, she exchanged my bottle for a new one, and gave a bag of crisps. I confirmed if it was ok to move to row 1 for a few minutes to make a few more pictures, and she was ok with it as well.

Service & other stuff


I like those engines on the Dornier 328!


Inflight Cabin View


After I was back in my seat, we talked a bit more, about Cirrus Airlines and her job. And my hobby. It was a good chat. When descent started for Berlin, she got to clean the cabin a bit, and handed out candy to everybody. She finished with me, and I got the whole box; take all she said. Of course I didn’t take all, but she was joking a bit. Nice touch, since we were really on a not so casual route, mostly used by businessmen.

Descent for TXL started


Approach was over Berlin city. Really stunning sights. Loads of snow in the city. And strong winds too, meaning very rough air to fly in with the small Dornier. We encountered quite a few heavy bumps which was a nice extra. Landing was smooth though, runway 26R used.

Overflying Berlin, covered with snow


More Berlin, more snow…


Beautiful light conditions in late afternoon!


After deplaning, goodbye!


Parking was on a remote position, which was not really well cleared from snow. A wet and blurry remains of snow was on the ground, and I had to walk through it to get in the bus. This is not the way to do it; Berliner airport management should take action in such cases, since it’s not customer friendly.
Arrival was well ahead of schedule, so overall a very good performance by Cirrus Airlines.


At TXL, too much time to kill. And since the airport is not very nice to be around for a long time, a closed observation deck (closed at 4.00pm), I made the choice to take a bus to Berlin Hbf, main train station. It’s a very new station, and has a lot of shops and food courts. Since I like trains also, it was a good opportunity to see this station in more detail (I was here before in late 2008 with Flieger67 & BA319-131, but just transferring from THF to TXL).
I didn’t stay long on the tracks watching the trains. Temperatures were about –8°C, and the wind was strong. It felt much colder. So it was good to finish at a table in a fish-restaurant inside the shopping centre, where I got a good meal for a good price.

Back to the airport just after 7.00pm by TXL-bus. Check-in for my last flight to home opens 2 hours before departure. After arrival some time left, and I noticed a X3 (TUIfly) flight to RTM, not common at all. I went to the gate to check it out, and by surprise found an acquaintance of me handling that flight, which was a charter. I inquired if I would be able to join on that flight to RTM, but it was not possible. So I really had to make my way back to the counters at gate A07, for my transavia.com flight to AMS.
Check-in opened 20 minutes late, at 8.00pm , and I was first to check-in. Last row window, left side. To make sure a window seat on the B737-700 operating on that flight (beware, HV B737-700 last row right side has not a window).

Check-In counter for the Transavia flight to AMS


After checking in, I went upstairs for another visit to Starbucks and my evening coffee. I too my magazines to relax a bit. At 9.00pm I went back to the gate, and passed security. Had some words with the security officer who thought to be the most interesting person on earth. He didn’t speak English apparently. Good for him that I speak a few words German, so that discussion was ended quickly by me.
The gate seating is never sufficient at TXL. And it seemed to be a busy flight tonight. Boarding started at 9.28pm, 12 minutes before departure time. I wonder…, and we were just not making it.
Good for me, seats B & C remained unused, so I was assured for enough space on this flight, which had a load just over 80%. Safety demo was on the drop-down screens, and meanwhile also our pushback was done.

TXL-AMS
Flight No.: HV 6876 Date: 03FEB’10
STD: 2140 ATD: 2144
STA: 2300 ATA: 2311
A/C: Boeing 737-700 Reg No.: PH-XRV
Seat: 24A – Economy Class


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A new log for me on this flight, which was good since the day before still PH-XRA was scheduled to operate the TXL run that night. Since I had XRA many times before, the confirmation of XRV was a good score.
Legroom is poor, seating in cloth, limegreen coloursetting in the cabin. Friendly young crew, but cabin a bit dirty and not cleaned. The cabin was a bit of a mess, apparently crew didn’t care for the last flight that day.
Cockpit crew announced a flighttime of 1:10 hours, de-icing was not needed, and we would arrive delayed due to runway use at AMS. I knew enough, that would a runway 18R landing…

Before block-out on the Transavia flight to AMS


Since this HV flight was the last takeoff from TXL that day, we had no delays, and a rolling takeoff was performed on runway 26L. We were in the air quickly, and darkness was all around.
Enroute calm conditions, buy-on-board service from the menu was possible. I declined, and listened to my MP3’s for the duration of the flight. No pictures for you, since it was not too special.

Landing was on runway 18R indeed, followed by a 20 minute taxiing to the arrival gate, D43. Quite a bit of walk to arrivals hall also, when I deplaned. After taking the bus for the final leg, I arrived back home at midnight. Mission Dornier 328 accomplished.

For those who want to read/see a bit more on HV/Transavia, please refer to my previous report which features a GVA-RTM run on PH-XRA, another B737-700.

FlyBaboo & The Q400: From The City To GVA + 2 More (by Airbuseric Jan 31 2010 in Trip Reports)

I hope you enjoyed this report also, and your feedback or comments are really appreciated! Thank you for reading. When time permits, next report is due soon. My next 4 flights are on March 8, 2010 bringing me to Italy!

Regards,
Eric
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Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:06 pm

Hey Eric ,
Your so lucky to be able to jump on the fantastic train like that. I would love to go on it sometime.
Nice photos and also a nice route to fly by a nice A/C. The rail and aircraft combo are the best IMHO.

Thanks for the nice report and photos.

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Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:31 pm

Hi Philip,

thanks for your reply.

Quoting oa260 (Reply 1):
Your so lucky to be able to jump on the fantastic train like that.

I must admit, I become more and more a fan of travelling by rail.

Quoting oa260 (Reply 1):
The rail and aircraft combo are the best IMHO.

Have a lot of rail travel on the planning already for this year, with also some rail/fly combo's. Most interesting (I'm really looking forward to it, but we're still in the planning/booking phase now) is a trip of a week by train on very scenic routes in France. It's a tough job to plan this trip, with not so frequent schedules on many sectors. But you know we'll manage, since it's my thing to find a solution for everything  Not sure if I can put a report online here, since it's only 1 flight with this trip...

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Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:47 pm

Hi Eric,

Great report and pictures. Nice to read about your train ride as well. Congratulations to your first Do 328-flight. I travelled on Cirrus on Mannheim-Berlin a few years ago when they were still serving THF. They are a nice little airline. However, service seems to be reduced a bit - I still received a "real" meal box.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
At TXL, too much time to kill. And since the airport is not very nice to be around for a long time, a closed observation deck (closed at 4.00pm),

The opening times of the observation deck at TXL are a joke - I find it annoying every time I'm there. On many winter days they don't open the terrace at all without any notice. So going into the city was probably the best you could do.

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Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:18 pm

Hi Eric.

Perfect timing with this report! I am to take my first D-328 on Wednesday from DND- LCY which I am really excited about. You have given me a taste of what is to come. Hopefully with some ok views of London to boot. Its nice there is just one FA - its like she definitely rules the roost!

Berlin descent looked just class! Snow and late afternoon winter sun couldn't have been timed better.

I also enjoyed Berlin station - its a striking building. I was surprised you didn't capture a photo of it in the snow!

Regards

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Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:28 pm

Hi Eric,

Nice report with great pictures. The flight sounded like a really nice one and the service seemed impeccable. You can't ask for much better! The Dornier looks like a nice plane to travel on too. How does it compare to a Dash 8 or ATR?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I travelled in 2nd class this time, giving the seat layout a 2-2 setting, good seatpitch, blue cloth seats, and large windows. You can adjust the seatback by sliding forward a bit also. Convenient enough, even for long journeys.

The seat looks pretty slimline.. Maybe it's also because of the fisheye?

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
My next 4 flights are on March 8, 2010 bringing me to Italy!

That's not very far away! Have a good trip!

Thanks for sharing!

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Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:53 am

Hi Eric,

Good report, nice to see the ICE train involved! I'm planning a trip via FRA and want to use the ICE to get there.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Of course, my reserved seat was occupied by some half kind of criminal

        

By the way, is a seat reservation required or is free-seating allowed as well?
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Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:54 am

Hi Eric,

Glad that you got this piece of work online, been expecting it. Great work and nice pictures, agree with the above that the snowy TXL approach with the low winter light looks stunning! Not much snow remaining in Berlin last Saturday when I was there, but freezing nevertheless.

Thanks also for the directions and pictorial guidance for connection to MHG from the Hauptbahnhof, will come in handy in July as you know!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Yes, this is the terminal building which is in use nowadays

Quite different from the usual mega-airports. Looks very cosy actually, especially the inside of it.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
X3 (TUIfly) flight to RTM, not common at all. I went to the gate to check it out, and by surprise found an acquaintance of me handling that flight, which was a charter.

Hmm, that's an odd route for a charter flight - would it be for cruise passengers by any chance?
 
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Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:55 am

Hi Eric,

Good to ready your report on thiks rare beauty!

Flew on the Blue Island service from IOM-JER about 2 years ago, as you say, nice plane - the memory stick got corrupted hence no TR of that journey, gotta have pix!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Boarding started at 2.35pm, walking about 10 meters to the aircraft and boarding

- Nice, at least no bussing as seems usual for even the shortest journeys!

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Once the flight attendant came at my row again, she exchanged my bottle for a new one, and gave a bag of crisps. I confirmed if it was ok to move to row 1 for a few minutes to make a few more pictures, and she was ok with it as well.

- Seems like you got lucky there with a nice FA, good stuff.

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Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:03 pm

Hi Eric. Very nice and interesting report as always  

What I liked most about this report, is your more extensive use of the fisheye lens. Simply love that!

The ICE ride looked pretty interesting, pity about the train not going att full speed, I find it pretty annoying as well. The interior of the train looked really nice, I liked all those wooden details, and the spotlights, they create a nice mood lightning. The 2nd Class of ICE looks great too, those seats are pretty comfortable, and the fabric is nice too. What I liked the most was the info-display. We don't have them at all here in Sweden, though I hope the new X55 Alfa trains, will have them. Btw why is there an NS Hispeed logo on the train?

The Do-328 look like a nice aircraft to fly, they are indeed pretty rare, though is the jet-version more rare than the prop? In-flight catering seemed generous too, at least good that some airlines still serve free alcohol.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 2):
I must admit, I become more and more a fan of travelling by rail.

Eric, you have all right to be. This is the golden days of rail travel, enjoy them while you can  Pretty soon, I think, low cost train operators will start showing up as well, and do the same thing LCC's did to the "real airlines"   Hopefully, this won't happen in at least another 10-15 years...
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Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:07 pm

Hi guys,
thanks for your replies so far!

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 3):
They are a nice little airline. However, service seems to be reduced a bit - I still received a "real" meal box.

Where all airlines are reducing their offerings nowadays, Cirrus can do also. Still they score higher then the others, and that's what counts for them of course. It was sufficient enough for me, and I can't compare with the past. Good for Cirrus  But as you noticed, similar happened to VLM. Mealtrays got replaced by 'just a sandwich'. So, you're right, it's a shame to see reductions also at these small companies.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 3):
So going into the city was probably the best you could do.

I think Berlin is among the nicest cities in Europe. Together with Barcelona they are my numbers 1 & 2 with London following close on place 3  
Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 4):
am to take my first D-328 on Wednesday from DND- LCY which I am really excited about.

Interesting. From Dundee, I guess this will be on Cityjet? Can you share a report with us then, I guess it's the first on Cityjet's Dornier 328...

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 4):
I was surprised you didn't capture a photo of it in the snow!

Hmm,... I'm now on the notebook, just arrived back home from Italy. I'll see if I can find some pictures from Hauptbahnhof!

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 5):
The Dornier looks like a nice plane to travel on too. How does it compare to a Dash 8 or ATR?

This Dornier 328 wins on every point for me. It's quiet inside, it's more stylish and does not feel cramped. But it's smaller then Dash 8s and ATR's of course.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 5):
The seat looks pretty slimline.. Maybe it's also because of the fisheye?

These ICE seats are slimline indeed. It's not the lens  
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 5):
That's not very far away! Have a good trip!

Thanks. Just back home. 4 new registration in the log, 1 new type. Average flights, but enjoyable views enroute!

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 6):
By the way, is a seat reservation required or is free-seating allowed as well?

No. ICE is, instead of Thalys, a service without reservation requirement. But, when you book a ticket online (you can find good deals often), you automatically get a seat assignment. This saves you a lot of hassle, since ICE gets full once in Germany. And I always saw groups of people on the 'balcony' etc. Actually, I find this the main negative points of ICE (also the German trains), that they allow people without reservation on the trains...

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 7):
Not much snow remaining in Berlin last Saturday when I was there, but freezing nevertheless.

When it's gone in May, it's fine for me (during my next visit). Can it beat the temperatures I got this morning in Munich? I counted -14°C upon arrival...

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 7):
Thanks also for the directions and pictorial guidance for connection to MHG from the Hauptbahnhof, will come in handy in July as you know!

Especially for you... You know to find me if you need more directions.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 7):
Hmm, that's an odd route for a charter flight - would it be for cruise passengers by any chance?

No. It were 3 dedicated charters for a company to attend a exhibition in Berlin.


Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 8):
the memory stick got corrupted

Not from China I hope?  

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Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:29 pm

Hoi, Eric,

what a nice evening read.
Superb, high quality pictures all the way.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Sorry for some of this board to keep you waiting for some time.

For sure, worth to wait!.

The D328 is indeed something really special these days and also you´re routing, not bad.
Maybe I´am catching that one also later in the year.

Wish you good flights around Italy
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Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:56 pm

Hi Eric,

great report with some really stunning pictures! Good to see you got the Cirrus D328 - I'm currently planning a trip to get that one. I already know I will book HOQ-FRA-HOQ which will be flown by Cirrus from March 28 - but I still need to find some flights to squeeze in between...

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
I got a Warsteiner 0,2l bottle, which was very nice of her.

Oh no, another carrier serving that brand...


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Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:23 pm

Hey Eric

Nice and rare report there. Next time I head up to EDI I want to try catch the CityJet Do328 from LCY.

Great to see a mix of Plane and Train, Its good to see something different for a change. The trains on mainland europe seem alot nicer, faster and comfortable than what we get in England. I did a similar thing last year when catching the EI A333 CWL-DUB that can be found here. CWL-DUB-LHR on the EI A333 and BD

Oh and before I forget, nice work with the fish eye lens. I need to invest in one of these. Some cracking photos.

Thanks for posting.

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Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:23 pm

Hi Eric,

Congratulations with your Cirrus D328 flight! What a nice surprise to see another TR of yours! Well done!
Cirrus sounds pretty decent with notably friendly service.

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
Of course, my reserved seat was occupied by some half kind of criminal (this man was caught later during the right by German borderpolice and taken out of the train)
Way to go!   

Thank you for sharing.

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Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:27 pm

Hi Eric!

Nice report!
Unfortunately you choosed to fly in not so nice weather conditions ...

I´ll be flying tomorrow MHG-TXL on the same flight# (14.45 dep.) and back on sunday evening.

For me it´s much more convenient to go from home in 15 mins to MHG and park the car without parking fees, check-in just 20 mins before departure and enjoy a better/personal inflight service than on an AB or LH flight ex FRA !!!
It´s just difficult to snap tickets in "T"-class. But this time i managed it for 99,-EUR return all in ...   

I always enjoy flying from Mannheim. In particular the quite "impressive" acceleration !!!  
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Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:14 pm

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 10):
From Dundee, I guess this will be on Cityjet?

Not sure Eric - I mean it is booked through Cityjet yes, but I think it may be operated by Scot Airways so it should be an interesting one. I hope to do a report yes - I think Dundee is as little heard of as MHG but sadly its runway is a little longer - hopefully we'll have a fast take-off

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 10):
I'll see if I can find some pictures from Hauptbahnhof!

That would be nice - I can only imagine you captured it well...
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Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:47 pm

On request, first a couple of pictures from Berlin Hbf (Hauptbahnhof/Main trainstation)

Front Side / Entrance


View from inside to outside // 'Reichstag' in the background visible


Obvious where we are,...


Good old ICE1 train arriving from a long distance journey


Inside the building // Central Hall // Various layers with railtracks and shopping/dining facilities


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Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:54 pm

And thanks again for your replies!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
I'm currently planning a trip to get that one. I already know I will book HOQ-FRA-HOQ which will be flown by Cirrus from March 28

Interesting! So the HOQ services will go from Q300 to Dornier 328's ? I hope to fly Cirrus again in June. I'm booked on 2 Emb170 flights with them.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Oh no, another carrier serving that brand...

What's the problem with this beer? I kinda like it. Someting different then the ones I drink at home  
Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 13):
Next time I head up to EDI I want to try catch the CityJet Do328 from LCY.

Do that! So much better then flying a LCC or regular BA/BD flight. Cityjet offers some interesting fares also don't they?

Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 13):
Oh and before I forget, nice work with the fish eye lens. I need to invest in one of these. Some cracking photos.

Thanks! Still not used to it, and I often forget about this lens. But it gives great views indeed.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 14):
What a nice surprise to see another TR of yours! Well done!

Hehe,... I've about 30 flights booked already for 2010, so you can stay tuned to read more during the coming period.

Quoting MHG" class="quote" target="_blank">MHG (Reply 15):
I´ll be flying tomorrow MHG-TXL on the same flight# (14.45 dep.) and back on sunday evening.

Nice to hear! Weather is crisp and clear. Cold airmass over mainland Europe now, good conditions to fly. At least on Monday it was, I visited MUC and FRA, and weather was good at both places.

Quoting MHG" class="quote" target="_blank">MHG (Reply 15):
It´s just difficult to snap tickets in "T"-class.

You're so right. But good searching will do the trick!

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 16):
I think Dundee is as little heard of as MHG but sadly its runway is a little longer - hopefully we'll have a fast take-off

Another reason to report indeed. Would love to read more about that airport/route combo.

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Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:55 pm

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 17):
On request, first a couple of pictures from Berlin Hbf (Hauptbahnhof/Main trainstation)

I forgot how impressive this is for a train station. This was my first proper impression of Berlin as i stepped off the train fro SXF.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18):
Do that! So much better then flying a LCC or regular BA/BD flight. Cityjet offers some interesting fares also don't they?

Im not sure on the fares, I think they are pretty much the same as BA. Although getting to LCY is easier said than done. I live on the 'wrong' side of London, espically for an early morning departure.
 
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Quoting airbuseric (Reply 10):
This Dornier 328 wins on every point for me. It's quiet inside, it's more stylish and does not feel cramped. But it's smaller then Dash 8s and ATR's of course.

Too bad there aren't any of them near me! Plenty of the other 2 types for me to go on though.. It'd be nice if NZ did consider them.
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:02 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 20):
Too bad there aren't any of them near me!

I think the closest ones for you fly around in Indonesia?
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:41 am

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 21):
I think the closest ones for you fly around in Indonesia?

I think I'm more likely to go to USA before Indonesia.. But there are so many more planes in line before the Dornier! ie A342 and 345 are ones I hope to get on soon.
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:16 pm

Hi Eric, great catch! Glad you finally got to fly one! Loved the pictures as usual. I should get myself on one of those sometime  

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Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18):
Interesting! So the HOQ services will go from Q300 to Dornier 328's ?

No, the Dornier 328s will replace Contact Air ATR 42-500. Contact Air has operated the HOQ-FRA-HOQ flights since October 2008.


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Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:55 pm

Excellent TR! The DO-328 was/is a great bird to ride in.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):

The Do-328 look like a nice aircraft to fly, they are indeed pretty rare, though is the jet-version more rare than the prop?

Indeed, the jet version is more rare. I've had the fortunate opportunity to ride in both on numerous occasions and the climb rate on the jet version is incredible, it only cruises about 60 knots faster, however. Hopefully the Lockheed X-55A (composite freighter version of the 328JET) will see production some day!
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:39 am

It was a great trip report. I continue to admire the train service in Europe! cant quite say that about the Acela! lol

The wood paneling sounded great too!

All in all, a great trip report and to the point. Very good photos.
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:29 am

Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
ICE105 called enroute at Arnhem, Oberhausen Hbf, Duisburg Hbf, Düsseldorf Hbf, Köln Hbf (Cologne), Siegburg/Bonn ICE, Frankfurt Flughafen and my final destination Mannheim.

Mannheim is a nice station. I travel Frankfurt - Mannheim quite often as an aunt is living there. The ICE service is nice and fast, only a little more than 30 minutes, many times in fact faster than going by car.

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 6):

By the way, is a seat reservation required or is free-seating allowed as well?

No reservation required, but stronly recommended, especially on busy days, like Friday, Sunday, Monday. Going without reservation might save you € 2.50 per direction, but especially on longer trips, travelling with luggage or with a group you are better of with a reservation.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
The ICE ride looked pretty interesting, pity about the train not going att full speed, I find it pretty annoying as well. The interior of the train looked really nice, I liked all those wooden details, and the spotlights, they create a nice mood lightning. The 2nd Class of ICE looks great too, those seats are pretty comfortable, and the fabric is nice too.

The train powers up to 300 km/h between Frankfurt and Cologne.
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:31 pm

Hello(!),

Just to say many thanks for the report/pics etc. The Dornier looked a pretty sweet ride and the report was especially cool because you had pictures of trains which I like too. I have only been on an ICE once in Switzerland for a short journey but it was pretty sweet and your pictures really bring them out nicely. Must have been a nice train journey. I also visited Berlin on a day trip from London Gatwick a few weeks ago and had a good time at the Hauptbahnhof. Berlin also had great S-Bahn and U-Bahn trains around the city and of course I got to visit Templehof airport too.

Many thanks for the memories and for the trip report and pics,

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Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:39 pm

Hi all,

thanks for your feedback and replies again!

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 23):
I should get myself on one of those sometime

It seems you've a good plan for another trip this year now.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22):
But there are so many more planes in line before the Dornier! ie A342 and 345 are ones I hope to get on soon.

Oh yes, these 2 A340 models are good ones for you to get on. EK and AR are both reachable airlines for you.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 24):
No, the Dornier 328s will replace Contact Air ATR 42-500. Contact Air has operated the HOQ-FRA-HOQ flights since October 2008.

Sound interesting. Maybe I can do it on a mileage run later this year, and flying a Do328 again.

Quoting ca2ohHP (Reply 25):
Indeed, the jet version is more rare. I've had the fortunate opportunity to ride in both on numerous occasions and the climb rate on the jet version is incredible, it only cruises about 60 knots faster, however.

Not many around here in Europe. Maybe a closer look into BA's schedules might bring me on a Sunair/BA example. btw, if you go skiing in Europe and make sure you break your legs, you might get a ride in a Welcome Air Do328 from your wintersport back home in The Netherlands. Every week several 'rescue flights' operated by Welcome Air take care of this business 
Quoting jflchantha (Reply 26):
I continue to admire the train service in Europe! cant quite say that about the Acela! lol

The wood paneling sounded great too!

The trains attract me more and more lately. ICE is very comfortable, impeccable service usually and friendly staff on the trains. Although this winter, train operations were heavily affected by the severe weather conditions.

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 27):
The ICE service is nice and fast, only a little more than 30 minutes, many times in fact faster than going by car.

I always thought when a German drives his BMW or VW, they always win on the Autobahn   But an ICE is by far more relaxing and brings you downtown immediately. No hassles with traffic jams or looking for a parking lot.

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 27):
No reservation required, but stronly recommended, especially on busy days, like Friday, Sunday, Monday.

Indeed correct. As I mentioned already, when purchased the ICE ticket online in the Netherlands with our NS (Hispeed) railway website, the reservation is automatically included in the price. So, oneway fares in 2nd class may be available from EUR 19,= oneway, availability permitting.

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 27):
The train powers up to 300 km/h between Frankfurt and Cologne.

Yes, I've even gone faster (nearly 310km/h) on ICE on that track, but 2 years ago. This time we didn't make it that fast, maybe caused by the snowy conditions on the tracks. The screen look different then the ones found on ICE3 (the ones operating from/to Amsterdam. On which ICE-type did you picture this?

Quoting ps76 (Reply 28):
I have only been on an ICE once in Switzerland for a short journey but it was pretty sweet and your pictures really bring them out nicely. Must have been a nice train journey.

Indeed. ICE also runs in Switzerland. Travelled once on an ICE1 from Interlaken to Frankfurt Hbf. Landscape in Switzerland is stunning, and travelling by train gives the best opportunities to enjoy all of it!

Quoting ps76 (Reply 28):
I also visited Berlin on a day trip from London Gatwick a few weeks ago and had a good time at the Hauptbahnhof. Berlin also had great S-Bahn and U-Bahn trains around the city and of course I got to visit Templehof airport too.

Berlin is a fascinating city and every time again makes sure for an enjoyable experience. Tempelhof Airport was interesting. Have you been inside the terminal building? Or was it already closed when you visited? I flew to THF in October 2008, shortly before closure of the field. It was very interesting to see that airport and all the history.

Regards,
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Quoting airbuseric (Reply 29):
The screen look different then the ones found on ICE3 (the ones operating from/to Amsterdam. On which ICE-type did you picture this?

Not one hundred percent sure, but I believe to remember that it was an ICE 3. First class (I was travelling with my elderly aunt), right behind the driver compartment (you know, where you can look through the window), feeling like the driver yourself!



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Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:13 am

Hola Eric!

Great combination ICE+Dornier+B737...

Love the ICE trains in Germany. BTW, the same models are used in Spain on the high-speed corridors, eg. BCN-MAD... sometime in the future they may reach 350 kph but so far only 300 kph which is not bad at all as they travel time between the cities has been reduced to 2h 30 min and obviously taken up more than 50% of the air traffic.

The plane ride looks great on that little Dornier. Berlin look wonderful with or without snow, always a pleasure to fly to that city and then Berlin's Hauptbahnhof is soemthing of the other world. I immediatley feel in love with that building and its 5 (or is it 6?) floors. seeing trains at the top and the basement floors is really impressive. I have arrived by train a couple of times but always on the basement.

Salut!

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Quoting airbuseric (Thread starter):
(this man was caught later during the right by German borderpolice and taken out of the train

I've seen that happening a number of times myself. It makes me ashamed of being a dutchman sometimes.

Your Berlin HBF pictures are great. I can't wait to visit that station myself.

The Dornier flight looks awesome. It is nice to see you departing from such a small airport. Also Cirrus Air looks like a descent regional carrier.

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Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:13 pm

Hi guys,

thanks for your latest replies,

Quoting rogerbcn (Reply 31):
Love the ICE trains in Germany. BTW, the same models are used in Spain on the high-speed corridors, eg. BCN-MAD... sometime in the future they may reach 350 kph but so far only 300 kph which is not bad at all as they travel time between the cities has been reduced to 2h 30 min and obviously taken up more than 50% of the air traffic.

Yes, some Spanish routes by air are really hurt by the fast train services. Which are more pleasant and bring you closer in the cities usually. Trains are not bad at all for some destinations.

Quoting rogerbcn (Reply 31):
Berlin look wonderful with or without snow, always a pleasure to fly to that city and then Berlin's Hauptbahnhof is soemthing of the other world. I immediatley feel in love with that building and its 5 (or is it 6?) floors. seeing trains at the top and the basement floors is really impressive. I have arrived by train a couple of times but always on the basement.

I think these modern architecture, together with the GDR buildlings and old architecture Berlin is also known for, makes this one of the most interesting cities in Europe. I will go back in May for 3 days citytrip, to enjoy more of it, aside from the airport. Most important then, my travel is by trains only  
Quoting vandenheuvel (Reply 32):
Your Berlin HBF pictures are great. I can't wait to visit that station myself.

Thank you.

Quoting vandenheuvel (Reply 32):
The Dornier flight looks awesome. It is nice to see you departing from such a small airport. Also Cirrus Air looks like a descent regional carrier.

I did not have much choice to get on that aircraft type, and MHG was reachable without too much hassle. And as you say, great airline/airport combo, that was for sure!

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Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:54 pm

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 27):
The train powers up to 300 km/h between Frankfurt and Cologne.

Yes. Is that the only 300 km/h track in Germany or are there more? Here the trains only reach 200, and I find it annoying when they can't even reach that speed.
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Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:45 pm

I'm not an expert, but according to Wikipedia the track Nürnberg-Ingolstadt-Munic allows also speeds up to 300 km/h.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Eisenbahn-Neubaustrecken

Interesting is that a minute of travelling time reduction costs about 68 million €.

Quite interesting is also this site:
http://www.deutschebahn.com/site/hochgeschwindigkeit/de/start.html



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Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:30 pm

Hi airbuseric,

Nice report featuring a not so common aircraft!
That ICE train seems to be pretty nice as well, with those spacious seats. Legroom is always quite an issue with me, but this train seems to have a lot of it.
How about the legroom on the Dornier?

MHG is a nice little airport. Does it have a lot a scheduled flights? I guess it's comparable with ANR (very close to where I live), which has some scheduled Cityjet flights with F50's.

I noticed that the Dornier's window's are quite good positioned for 'inflight spotting'. It appears one does not have to break his neck to have a peek outside whilst in the aircraft. Not the case with an F50 I flew on some weeks ago where it was virtually impossible to look outside due to the very low positioning of the windows.

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