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MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:17 am

I had booked this flight back in October using 55,000 United Miles and the day had finally come to fly. I got to the airport around 730am, earlier than I usually do because for some reason you can not check in online for Air Canada out of Milwaukee. Once I got to the airport I realized I had forgotten my United Star Alliance Gold Card which gives me access to the Maple Leaf Lounges in YYZ and YUL. Since this was my first time using this perk as a United Premier Exec I was unsure if I would be denied entry into them once I got into Canada. After checking in I decided to run back home (only take about 25mins roundtrip) and grab my Star Gold Card. Once I got back security only took a few minutes and by 830am I was at the gate. The flight is usually operated by a Jazz CRJ 100/200, but upon checking the flight status before I left for the airport I noticed the aircraft was subbed for a Dash 8 which was a nice surprise. Because of this sub the flight was delayed about 50 minutes.

MKE C9 gate area:
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View from the gate:
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6/9/10
MKE-YYZ
AC7938
Dash 8-100 C-GJSX
905am (actual 9:55am)
1123am (actual 1223am)
Load Factor 18/37
Seat 8F

Ground Boarding in MKE:
http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s337/pilotfox/TripReportParis003.jpg
Fedex D10 behind us waiting for takeoff to MEM:
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After the aircraft landed it deplaned and within 5 minutes we boarded the plane. Being from Milwaukee I would say this has to be the rarest flight to and from MKE, especially when it’s on the Dash 8. Since the plane was half filled people moved around to open seats but I stayed in my seat and had an empty seat next to me. We had a quick taxi out and take off on 25L. The flight was pretty uneventful although the FA did offer everyone free alcohol because of the delay. The flight was 1:20 long. The reason given for the delay was waiting to get their new flight plan out of YYZ. Looking at the flightaware history for this flight I notice that this flight gets swapped with a Dash 8 every few days. So I wonder if this is more because of the low load factors.
Legroom on the Dash 8:
http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s337/pilotfox/TripReportParis004.jpg
Cabin of the Dash 8:
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Inflight view out my window
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After landing in YYZ I had almost 3 hours to kill before my flight to YUL. Having never been to YYZ before I decided to explore and also check out the Maple Leaf Lounges. Even though I was in economy class, as a Star Alliance Gold you can get into many Star Alliance lounges as long as you are on one of their flights. Once we landed we had about a 5 minute taxi to the far end of the terminal. I must have walked about a mile in order to get to customs. For some reason if you connect in YYZ from the States you must clear customs, which dumps you out in the baggage claim area. So I had to walk another 5 minutes and be prescreened back into the main terminal. After clearing security I roomed around before finding the main Maple Leaf Lounge. I killed about an hour there snacking and having a bite to eat.

Toronto Terminal:
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My ride to YUL:
http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s337/pilotfox/TripReportParis009.jpg

Before long it was time to head down to the main terminal level to catch my flight to YUL. By the time I got down to the gate my flight was already boarding. Boarding went quickly and we ended up pushing back a few minutes early.


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6/9/10
YYZ-YUL
AC416 C-FDRK
A320
300PM
410PM
Load Factor 100%
Seat 25A

After a few minute taxi out we took off to the west and we immediately went into the clouds. This flight had IFE which consisted of movies, TV shows and games. I had forgotten to bring along my headphones so I shelled out $3 for Air Canada ear buds. The flight was only 48 minutes long so it went by pretty quickly. By the time the Flight Attendants had finished the drink service we had already started our decent into YUL.

Legroom on the A320:
http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s337/pilotfox/TripReportParis010.jpg

Arrival in YUL:
http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s337/pilotfox/TripReportParis011.jpg
Upon deplaning I walked around the airport a little, I was surprised about how many European departures YUL had. There were 3 AF flights going to CDG, LH going to MUC, KLM going to AMS, Swiss going to ZRH, and AC going to FCO, LHR, FRA, and GVA. I eventually made my way up to the Maple Leaf Lounge which was quite busy and crowded. The view was very nice though, my seat over looked my aircraft that would take me to CDG. While in the lounge I helped myself to some snacks. While waiting in the lounge I watched a AF 773 leave and right after that a AF 747 pulled into its gate.

Maple Leaf Lounge in YUL:
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My plane to CDG, view from the Maple Leaf Lounge:
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My beer and coke in the lounge:
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My plane to CDG
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6/9/10
YUL-CDG
AC870
B773 C-FIUV
750pm
830am +1
Load Factor 90%
Seat 55A

While in the lounge boarding was called for the flight so I made my way down to the gate area. I used my Star Alliance Gold card to skip the long queue of people waiting to get onboard and got right on right away. I was lucky enough to have an open seat next to me on this flight. The flying time tonight was around 7hrs. We pushed back on time and after leveling off at our cruising altitude a beverage service was started followed by the meal service. I had a ordered vegetarian meal with was some sort of Indian rice and curry thing, it was not too good. The IFE was okay although some features were not working, including TV news, games, and the moving map, which was disappointing. By the time diner was finished we were well into darkness and after watching a documentary movie the sun was already starting to rise in the east. Fortunately I was able to get a good four or five hours of sleep and by the time I woke up we were about an hour outside CDG. In addition I had a croissant waiting for me on the tray table next, which must have been handed out while I was sleeping. We landed a few minutes behind schedule to a cloudy and rainy Paris.

My seat for the next seven hours:
http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s337/pilotfox/TripReportParis015.jpg

View out my window on the ground at YUL
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View of YUL a few minutes after departure:
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Inflight:
http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s337/pilotfox/TripReportParis018.jpg

My Meal:
http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s337/pilotfox/TripReportParis017.jpg

Landing in CDG:
http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s337/pilotfox/TripReportParis019.jpg

After deplaning I cleared customs in about 15 minutes. I was meeting some folks in Terminal 1 who had arrived on CO from EWR about an hour before me. AC arrives in terminal 2E so I had a very long hike to Terminal 1, after a long walk and a tram ride I finally met up with them. We then had to take a tram back to terminal 2 in order to catch a train into the city. O
The massive departures board in CDG (sorry kinda burry):
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Making my way to terminal 1:
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Overall the trip was enjoyable and being able to get some sleep really helped me stay awake the rest of the day. In addition being able to access the lounges made for an enjoyable trip. The following Monday I traveled back to MKE, via BSL-DUS-YYZ-MKE, if there is some interest I will go ahead and post that as well.
 
richcandy
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RE: MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:46 pm

Hi

Thanks for spending the time post a trip report, I would be interested in reading about your return journey. Trip reports are great for those of us that don't get to travel much!

Dinner on the YUL-CDG flight looked like it came on a large tray for not much food.

Alex
 
lychemsa
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RE: MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:08 pm

You are lucky. You seem to have gotten your suitcase. They lost mine. Never found it and ripped me off with outrageous compensation.

The desert looks as crummy as the one I got but to be fair the main dish and salad was good. If I ever fly with AC again I will make sure to connect in Toronto and not YUL as therey have more connecting flights to Europe from there. I was delayed 28 hours going to GVA as I missed the AC connection; the last flight to Europe.
 
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RE: MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:29 pm

Thanks for the trip report! I'm am also very interested in reading your return flight. How did you get that routing on your return on an award ticket?!
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reifel
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RE: MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:58 pm

Hi and thanks for sharing.

I have some questions about transfer in YYZ. I do understand that you arrived from the US and continued on a domestic Canadian flight, therefore it's logical that you need to pass Canadian immigration.

However I was wondering what would have happened in case you've had flown from YYZ to CDG directly. Is it similar to the US that you need to collect your luguage and pass immigriation, even though you're just connecting to an international flight? Or is it similar to Europe (and many other countries), which means that you remain in transit, don't pass immigration and that's it? How does this work in Canada?
 
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RE: MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:44 pm

Hey, nice report! I was at CDG that day, flew MAD-CDG on EasyJet. I arrived around 9:25AM.
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RE: MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:32 am

Quoting reifel (Reply 4):
However I was wondering what would have happened in case you've had flown from YYZ to CDG directly. Is it similar to the US that you need to collect your luguage and pass immigriation, even though you're just connecting to an international flight? Or is it similar to Europe (and many other countries), which means that you remain in transit, don't pass immigration and that's it? How does this work in Canada?

In most cases, passengers travelling from the U.S. via Canada to a third country need only pass through a Canadian immigration check. Baggage is generally checked through until the final destination and need not be inspected in Canada. Like U.S. airports, Canadian airports do not segregate international passengers from domestic passengers as in Europe (or most other places).
 
lychemsa
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RE: MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:38 am

Reifel / Customs:

From New York to Geneva via Montreal, we were given a Canadian Customs Form to fill out which was a pain in the neck. We could not go to the gate before giving the form to a Canadian Customs Inspector. Only then do you go to your departure gate.

On the return flight from Switzerland you pass US Customs in Canada which is also a pain in the neck. It entailed a long walk. When we got to the security check just before US Customs, we were told by a Canadian Airport official that we would have to pass security with passengers traveling to the US from YUL, which is far from the usual security check for passengers arriving from Europe going to US Customs.

We were given VIP treatment and put in front of the line. The US Customs guy in Montreal was grumpy (they always seem to be at YUL like 5 years ago). You do not see your bags. They take a picture.

I was told to wait because the pictures had not yet been taken of my bags. After they had been taken I was interviewed. In the US they don't ask so many questions as they are busier it seems.

When I arrived in New York one bag was missing. And it was never found.
 
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RE: MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:17 pm

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 7):

From New York to Geneva via Montreal, we were given a Canadian Customs Form to fill out which was a pain in the neck. We could not go to the gate before giving the form to a Canadian Customs Inspector. Only then do you go to your departure gate.

On the return flight from Switzerland you pass US Customs in Canada which is also a pain in the neck. It entailed a long walk. When we got to the security check just before US Customs, we were told by a Canadian Airport official that we would have to pass security with passengers traveling to the US from YUL, which is far from the usual security check for passengers arriving from Europe going to US Customs.

We were given VIP treatment and put in front of the line. The US Customs guy in Montreal was grumpy (they always seem to be at YUL like 5 years ago). You do not see your bags. They take a picture.

I was told to wait because the pictures had not yet been taken of my bags. After they had been taken I was interviewed. In the US they don't ask so many questions as they are busier it seems.

When I arrived in New York one bag was missing. And it was never found.

Let's put things into perspective here

1- you had a bad experience

2- there are hundred's of connecting pax via YUL to Europe, every single day, and hiccups are few and far between

3- you left out of EWR, one of the most prone congested airports in the world.


Don't a spoil a pleasant experience just because you had a bad one.
 
lychemsa
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RE: MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:53 am

FlyYul:

No I had 2, not 1 hiccup.

Eastbound: 28 hour delay as unlike Toronto there are no AC flights to Europe after 8.45 PM. That's one reason Toronto is a better connecting city than YUL. Also unlike AA,when there are delays, they make no effort to put you on another airline, if possible.
Westbound: My suitcase disappears forever. AC management offers compensation equivalent to 25% of the real replacement value and 30% below the IATA limit. Only after threat of Court Action could I get them to at least raise the compensation to the IATA limit.

I had 2 bad experiences and I have no intention of having a 3rd bad experience.
 
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RE: MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:34 pm

Thanks for the report would love to see the return
 
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RE: MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:40 pm

Nice TR.

I'm flying the AC 773 in a week and a bit, will make a TR.
 
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RE: MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:57 pm

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 9):
FlyYul:

No I had 2, not 1 hiccup.

Eastbound: 28 hour delay as unlike Toronto there are no AC flights to Europe after 8.45 PM. That's one reason Toronto is a better connecting city than YUL. Also unlike AA,when there are delays, they make no effort to put you on another airline, if possible.
Westbound: My suitcase disappears forever. AC management offers compensation equivalent to 25% of the real replacement value and 30% below the IATA limit. Only after threat of Court Action could I get them to at least raise the compensation to the IATA limit.

I had 2 bad experiences and I have no intention of having a 3rd bad experience.

Good for you. Although I must say in the defense of the airport you are among the few people who seem to like YYZ over YUL. I have never experienced that kind of treatment myself connecting through YUL, then again I usually stay in Canada for a few days visiting my parents and friends before continuing on.
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hejmatt
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RE: MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:29 pm

Great trip report!

Quoting pilotfox (Thread starter):
I had booked this flight back in October using 55,000 United Miles

That's a more interesting routing using AC with Mileage Plus miles - and you got to stop in YUL and YYZ en route! Nice.

Quoting pilotfox (Thread starter):
The FA did offer everyone free alcohol because of the delay.

That was nice of her given it was a short flight.  
Quoting pilotfox (Thread starter):
I used my Star Alliance Gold card to skip the long queue of people waiting to get onboard and got right on right away

Nice wee perk!

Quoting pilotfox (Thread starter):
The IFE was okay although some features were not working,

That sucks. I've read that on a few other reports. I'm flying in Exec First from BRU in July. Hope those features work on my 763.

All the best.
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Julian773
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RE: MKE-CDG Via YYZ And YUL (Air Canada)

Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:22 pm

Quoting pilotfox (Thread starter):
The IFE was okay although some features were not working, including TV news, games, and the moving map, which was disappointing

Yeah, I know how you feel, the map almost never works. One time my PTV didn´t work at all and the flight was full. I complained (cause its pretty nasty on an 8h flight) and got a compensation of 10% discount on my next booking with AC.

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