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DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:37 pm

Hey all,

Well it's been awhile since I've done one of these. Just been out of the nonrev game lately, unfortunately. Time to get back in the saddle though... and no time like the present!! I was originally hoping to go to NRT, in typical fashion for me. Being a disciple to the 747-400 it's an a.nut goal of mine to get on 16 of 16 747-400's in the DL fleet. So far, 11 down - 5 to go. Initially I was going to do JFK-NRT as one of my missing 5 744's was slated to operate that flight but then B6 kinda threw a wrench in that plan when they started canceling the DEN-JFK and DEN-BOS flights due to Hurricane Earl.

But, not to be beaten by the nonrev Gods, I ended up doing a quick trip to AMS instead. Met up with a bunch of a.net folks along the way though, so had a great time. Met up with nwa757boy in DTW, CrimsonNL in AMS, and then flew AMS-IAD with UAL4life. Final itinerary:

DEN-MSP: DL M90
MSP-DTW: DL D95
DTW-AMS: DL 332
AMS-IAD: UA 777
IAD-DEN: UA 777




04 September 2010
DL270, DTW-AMS
Block Time: 07 hours, 55 minutes
A330-223, N858NW, ship# 3358
Seat: 5J, BusinessElite

Load Factor-
Business: 80%
Coach: 90%

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The loads for Saturday were remarkably wide-open. Well, I take that back. I was *really* hoping to do PDX-AMS. I personally find TATL flights to be remarkably short so I was hoping to do the longest flight to AMS that DL has. But, no dice on doing DEN-PDX. So, next best option was to just go to DTW since it's the finest facility in the United States.   

Anyhow, for those of you DL fans, I explicitly chose to route via MSP as the DEN-MSP morning flight was one of the brand-new MD90's to DL's fleet, the M9K (16F/144Y). To put to rest all the mis-information about its cabin, it does NOT yet have AVOD, nor overhead screens. Once the new suppliers are selected, then they will begin the AVOD installations. Until then though - no IFE on the M9K's.


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Departure monitors in DTW after arriving from MSP. I selected DL270 given the lightest load in J-class of the four AMS departures


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Two 744's sitting in static display out near Rwy 22L. Does anyone know WHY they are sitting there?!


As a quick aside, I couldn't decide between doing DTW-FRA or DTW-AMS until the night before. DTW-FRA is now operated with the IGW 76T's, of which I haven't been on yet. Only seven of them in the DL fleet, so quite the rare subfleet type. In the end though, I ended up deciding on DTW-AMS on the A330. I know I'm gonna take flak for this but - doing ETOPS on an Airbus does make me a bit nervous. I try to avoid doing it so it was quite the leap of faith for me to do DTW-AMS over DTW-FRA, haha.


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767-300ER IGW (76T) ship# 1611, N1611B, sitting at the gate before its flight to FRA.


Then in a small world moment, nwa757boy and I happened to be in DTW at the same time so we got to hang out for awhile. Definitely made the long layover go a lot faster!! He was off to LHR on one of the new flat-bed 764's. Lucky guy!!


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A64, my gate for DL270 to AMS with continuing service to BOM.


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Ship 3358 (N858NW) at A64 prior to the fight to AMS. God, I hate those dots on the windows in DTW...


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Podium backdrop at A64 for DL270.


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Another view of my plane, ship 3358. I had been on 3358 once before, FRA-DTW, just back in March 2010.


I was cleared quite early, about 1.5 hours prior to departure. The gate agent asked if I'd prefer a window or aisle so I asked for a window as far aft as possible. Better pictures of the wing and engine, that way!! So, he then gave me a boarding pass for 5J and I was all set.

Boarding started about 50 minutes prior to departure. I boarded with BusinessElite preboard and got all my stuff situated at 5J, at which time I went up to the cockpit for a few minutes before departure.


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J-class mini-cabin aft of doors 2LR on the A332, only rows 5 and 6


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Looking aft toward the Y-cabin. Note - Y-class on the A330's is now all Delta blue leather.


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View from 5J. Great vantage point - just a sun glare, blahh.


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Cockpit of ship# 3358 during boarding. Excellent crew, very talkative and nice. The Captain got up for awhile to let me sit in the left seat.


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Maintenance logbook for 3358 sitting on the jumpseat. Was cool to see a few old Northwest relics remaining!!


Once I headed back to my seat the FA's came around with amenity kids, headsets, and then took all the meal orders for the dinner service. Ordinarily I get the chicken entree but I decided to go out on a limb and order the pasta.


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Menu. Slightly changed format from my previous DL international flights.


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Advertisement on the bulkhead PTV. Obviously in reference to the UA/CO merger, I like the slogan!


Doors closed on time and we were on our way. Was cool to push back and see the major widebody lineup in DTW, I love the transoceanic hub time.


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Pushback. The 777 behind us was waiting for our gate, inbound from ICN.


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Taxiing toward Rwy 22L for departure. LH and the old terminal visible in the background.


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Liftoff and initial climbout from Rwy 22L. Rwy 22R visible below the wing.


After takeoff we had some pretty choppy turbulence on climb. Went through a few cloud layers of what must have been some pretty unstable air - it was a good ride.


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Climbing through a cloud layer out of DTW


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VFR on top, turning toward the North Atlantic 'track'. Our shadow visible just below us, was pretty cool to see!!


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Initial level-off at FL330.


Once we leveled-off, the Captain turned off the seatbelt sign and the FA's began the dinner service in both cabins. I ordered my typical Cranapple juice but thought I'd do something different so I ordered a cranapple-vodka.


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Cranapple-vodka, bottled water, and warm nuts


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From the menu: Tomato basil soup served with shrimp with lemon grass and marinated hearts of palm and roasted beets with blue cheese


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From the menu: Mixed green salad with jicama, yellow peppers, almonds, and roma tomatoes. Served with choice of ranch or balsamic vinaigrette dressing.


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From the menu: Lasagne paste bites with spinach and radicchio in gorgonzola sauce, topped with pine nuts.


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From the menu: Selection of fine cheeses offered with fresh fruit - Vanilla ice cream sundae with your choice of sauces, whipped cream, and chopped nuts.


I thought the pasta was remarkably good, I need to start ordering the pasta option more often!! So after dinner I brought out the TV and was going over all the AVOD selections. Not the best video offerings as I've seen in previous months, but I did watch "Avatar" for a bit. As an aside, I'm saying this on a dare of a friend of mine but - the Colonel in Avatar is a major stud. For the record.  

Anyhow, I mostly just listened to some music before I went to sleep for the rest of the flight.


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AVOD system main menu.


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And of course, no "Hot Hits" lineup would be complete without Lady Gaga.


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Globe-view of our route of flight, just prior to flying into the sunset.


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Final pic out the window before it went pitch dark.


I got a few good hours of sleep on the flight but - all too soon before the breakfast service was started and I had to wake up again. That's a major reason why I LOVE going to NRT over Europe - in Biz you have enough time to get a full night's sleep, 8 to 9 hours. Going to Europe you only get 3-4 hours of sleep, tops. Talk about brutal jetlag after those short flights.


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Map view, heading toward continental Europe.


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ETOPS on an Airbus. Now that's just tempting fate  


Unfortunately I forgot to take a picture of the breakfast service. It was pretty good though, much higher portions than on my previous DL TATL flight on JFK-FRA. From the menu: Swiss cheese and mushroom omelet with grilled tomato, potato cake, and chicken apple sausage.


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I take back all the bad things I've said about "Glee". Their songs were remarkably good... well, most of them. "Bad Romance" actually wasn't half-bad!!


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Feet dry, over the coast on approach into AMS.


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Final map view before the AVOD system was turned off for landing. I'm much more used to seeing the "Distance Traveled" figure north of 6000 miles. Gotta do Europe once in a grand while though!!


Landing in AMS was a bit rough. Though, come to think of it, if anyone on a.net knows - is the A330 a bit of a difficult airplane to land?? That is, to get a smooth landing in?? It seems every A330 flight I've been on - 7 of them now - they have all had rough landings.


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Arrival in AMS, with the iconic ATC tower. Oddly enough, we parked on the D-concourse where NW/DL almost exclusively arrive and depart from the E-concourse, it seems.


After I cleared customs in AMS, a.net member CrimsonNL met me landside in the airport and we were able to hang out for awhile and do some spotting before I had to catch my flight back stateside with another a.net member, UAL4life.


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My plane inbound DTW-AMS, ship 3358, sitting in remote parking after deplaning.


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My ride to IAD arriving from ORD, United 777 ship# 2379 (N779UA)


Thanks again to CrimsonNL for driving out to the airport though, I had a fantastic - albeit very short - first time in AMS!!





05 September 2010
UA947, AMS-IAD
Block Time: 08 hours, 15 minutes
777-222A, N779UA, ship# 2379
Seat: 15J, Business Class

Load Factor -
First: 30%
Business: 70%
Coach: 70%

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As quick aside, I'll say that AMS is a fantastic facility. Very nice terminals, great spotting, and it seems like an *excellent* place to make international connections, given how they have security at each gate. I like it way more than FRA, LHR, and CDG.


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My ride back stateside, N779UA to AMS


Incidentally, I was really looking forward to the return flight as it would be my first ever transoceanic flight on a 772A. Previously, I had done a ton of transoceanics on the 772ER and the DL 772LR's, but had never been on a 772A across the ocean. Of course, it's the exact same cabin and everything but - it's the little things that matter most!!


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Aft C-class cabin on the 777, looking fwd toward doors 2LR.


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Pre-departure champagne


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Aft C-class cabin from 15J


There was a bit of a departure delay out of AMS as maintenance was on board for a bit. Not quite sure what the issue was but they cycled the flaps several times, then left them in the Flaps 30 position for awhile.


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Sitting at the gate in AMS. Note - slats in fully deployed position


Once we were cleared with MX, we were finally on our way - albeit a bit late. The crew did leave on Channel 9, so that was a major plus getting to listen to ATC during taxi, takeoff, and climb.


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Takeoff out of AMS on ship# 2379 (N779UA)


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Feet wet over the coast on my first transoceanic flight on a 772A


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Moving map after just departing from AMS


After initial level-off, the FA's came around to take the meal orders. In typical fashion I asked for the chicken for my meal, despite them having a pasta option.

Initial departure from AMS was smooth but as soon as we got out overwater, it got seriously turbulent. The Captain got on the PA and asked the FA's to immediately take their seats. Luckily, there were many seats open throughout the cabin which the FA's were able to sit down right away and get a seatbelt on. What I'd describe as continuous light turbulence, occasional moderate turbulence.

Once that cleared up, the FA's continued the dinner service in the cabin.


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From the menu: Smoked salmon ballotine with citrus couscous and fresh seasonal greens with classic caesar or roasted garlic red wine vinaigrette


For my drink I ordered a cranapple-vodka again but was major disappointed to hear that they didn't get any cranapple in the catering. Oh well. Instead I just tried the California white wine.


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From the menu: Roasted chicken with sweet chili sauce, mixed pepper risotto, and green beans with sun-blushed tomatoes


The food was good though I tend to not like it when the chicken still as the bones. Chicken bones are pretty difficult to maneuver around with the fork and knife.

After the dinner service was over, I was asleep even before they came around with dessert. Europe jetlag is brutal!! So, for the next 5 hours or so I slept until top of descent down into IAD.


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Initial descent down into IAD


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Final look out over the wing before landing in Dulles


I've arrived internationally in IAD a few times previously, once from NRT and twice from KWI. Arriving from AMS I thought we would be in the middle of the European arrivals crowd - FRA, LHR, CDG, etc. Not so - customs went remarkably quick, I was pleasantly surprised.

As for the flight home, UAL4life and I were on the same flight. He ended up listing for 3-cabin F but I chose Y since I knew I was going to sleep the entire time and that way it would be free. I hate the thought of paying to sleep  


True enough, I was fast asleep long before takeoff in IAD and woke up on touchdown in DEN. A lot of flying in 24 hours, more than 10,000 miles, but it was a fun trip and thanks again to nwa757boy, CrimsonNL, and UAL4life. Had a great time!!


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Ship# 2369 (N769UA) after arrival in DEN from IAD


Final impressions... UA had an excellent step forward with the cabin reconfigurations on their longhaul fleet. That's only half the picture though, and they really need to step up their soft product to be truly competitive with DL and AA. DL, by a long shot, as a better soft-product than UA, in all categories. Quantity, quality, and presentation. Hopefully this will be improved upon as UA and CO move forward in their merger.


Delta. Building a better airline, not just a bigger one.



 
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:50 pm

Great TR! I really enjoyed it. I agree with you that UA really has to improve its food. I think its network, it's new C seats, its name, safety, are all going for it. The main problem when you get on a UA business or first class flight is that the food is not so good. It's okay, but it's not "wow" food that you can see on other airlines. Hopefully, with CO taking the helm if running it, the food will be fantastic.
 
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:17 am

Hey Matt, nice report! Twas nice meeting you again. However do stick around longer next time  

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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:10 pm

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
Chicken bones are pretty difficult to maneuver around with the fork and knife.

That's why God gave us fingers!!   I prefer the chicken legs with the bones, the meat is tastier than the breast meat.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
doing ETOPS on an Airbus does make me a bit nervous.

Why? Because of the AF crash?

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
View from 5J. Great vantage point - just a sun glare, blahh.

Indeed, great view and the engine sound on takeoff must've been awesome too!

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
Our shadow visible just below us, was pretty cool to see!!

Do you know why there's always a halo effect when you see the reflection of the plane in the clouds?

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
is the A330 a bit of a difficult airplane to land??

I've never flown the a330 before, but I have flown the a340 (a343 and a346) and the landings were always smooth. No idea why the a330 should be different...

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
Europe jetlag is brutal!!

I know what you mean! The east coast-Europe trips are just too short to get any decent sleep!
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:36 pm

It was bumpy to Heathrow too. I got airborne during the 2nd service into LHR and on the return leaving LHR it was pretty bad.



SO who is better, UA or DL?
 
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:59 pm

Hi Transpac787!

Nice report wit nice pictures! Food actaully looks way better on UA than on DL both in presentation and size.

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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:56 pm

Hi Matt,

Nice report & pictures, thanks for posting.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
I know I'm gonna take flak for this but - doing ETOPS on an Airbus does make me a bit nervous.

- Silly!!!

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
Landing in AMS was a bit rough. Though, come to think of it, if anyone on a.net knows - is the A330 a bit of a difficult airplane to land?? That is, to get a smooth landing in?? It seems every A330 flight I've been on - 7 of them now - they have all had rough landings.

- All of mine have been just fine, some of the best landings ever.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
Aft C-class cabin on the 777, looking fwd toward doors 2LR

- OMG that cabin looks so old!

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
I tend to not like it when the chicken still as the bones

- Me neither.

Not sure who had the best meal service or pesentation, both looked pretty weak, I think my flight on DL1 last year had better food and presentation than your DL flight.

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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:16 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 3):
Why? Because of the AF crash?

No, because he is a well-known Airbus racist  

Glad to see our hurricane/typhoon conditions in IAD did not deter your connecting flight!!
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:49 am

Thank you for sharing. Wow only a couple of hours in Amsterdam, I would have been dead tired after all that flying. I am so jealous of you getting onboard a UAL flight, anytime I have tried to non-rev on UAL I have never been able to get on, that airline always seems to be full. This November we are trying to get to Narita, let see who comes to my rescue DL or UAL.

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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:23 am

Once more, great report about Delta's transatlantic BE-Class offering. Looks pretty good – I flew them in Y-Class last week and was very satisfied, too.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
04 September 2010

You're fast...

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
my typical Cranapple juice but thought I'd do something different so I ordered a cranapple-vodka.

Good choice. My favorite in the air as well, although it is probably even better with vodka.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
Map view, heading toward continental Europe.

German?!

Thanks for sharing this report with us.
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:16 am

The presentation onboard DL looks like coach class on many other airlines. DL should really consider changing their presentation. UA is not far behind but should also consider a change. I am pretty sure that will come with the merger.
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:35 am

I'm curious; how many different UA and DL 7777s have you been on ?

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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:09 pm

Thanks for the contrasting the DL and UAL services across the water. Quick question - seems like DL has new amenity kits. Do yu have a picture of them?

Again, thanks for taking time with the reports.

Saludos,
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PS: UAL NEEDS to change its JCL menu offerings on trans-Atlantic flights!
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:56 pm

Fantastic TR - indeed made me hungry to get on some international flights again soon!

Why did you not include some pictures of the DEN-MSP and MSP-DTW flights? Although both aircraft types are as very common I would have thought there must be something interesting about each one. And the DC-9s will not be around forever!  

Thanks for uploading... you certainly don't waste any time!
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:03 am

Quoting sfflyer123 (Reply 1):
Hopefully, with CO taking the helm if running it, the food will be fantastic.

No doubt. UA is overdue for a soft product overhaul.

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
However do stick around longer next time

I will, don't worry!!

I'm still dying to get that PDX-AMS flight so I'm sure I'll be out there sooner than later.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 3):
Why? Because of the AF crash?

See reply 7, haha.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 3):
Indeed, great view and the engine sound on takeoff must've been awesome too!

Yea it was great. I've only ever been on PW-powered A330's (just NW/DL) but the engine sound is excellent.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 3):
The east coast-Europe trips are just too short to get any decent sleep!

Definitely. Brutally short flights. I *much* prefer the Trans-Pac, as per my username, haha.

Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 4):
SO who is better, UA or DL?

Depends the airplane. But for the most part, DL. Right now though, 763 vs 763 - UA is better by a long shot, save for maybe the 76T at DL.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 6):
- OMG that cabin looks so old!

Yea, poor things are way overdue for a makeover.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 6):
N769UA - flown her twice, 1996 & 1998.

1996?? Wow, she was just off the line then.

Quoting jetblast (Reply 7):
No, because he is a well-known Airbus racist

Says you who always prefers 757 over A320 when on my buddy passes  

Quoting jetblast (Reply 7):
Glad to see our hurricane/typhoon conditions in IAD did not deter your connecting flight!!

Haha, whatever!! It was a very real concern... at least theoretically!! B6 was canceling the DEN-BOS and DEN-JFK flights all over hell and creation.

Quoting chepos (Reply 8):
This November we are trying to get to Narita, let see who comes to my rescue DL or UAL.

Luckily for you, November is probably the single best month to nonrev to NRT. I've done it four years in a row, now. Easily able to pick and choose your flights!! PM me if you need DL or UA loads.

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 9):
Looks pretty good – I flew them in Y-Class last week and was very satisfied, too.

Glad to year it!!

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 9):
You're fast...

That's what she said.

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 9):
German?!

Haha you know.... I didn't even notice until you mentioned it.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):
I'm curious; how many different UA and DL 777s have you been on ?

Do you mean flights or ship numbers??

DL - 1x ER (860), 2x LR (702, 707)
UA - 5x A (768, 769, 777, 779 x2), 9x ER (783 x2, 786, 788, 216, 217, 222 x2, 226)

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 12):
Do you have a picture of them?

I don't, unfortunately. Come to think of it, I didn't even take mine with me. Ack!!!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 12):
PS: UAL NEEDS to change its JCL menu offerings on trans-Atlantic flights!

No doubt. Hoping the CO integration changes all that.

Quoting richierich (Reply 13):
Why did you not include some pictures of the DEN-MSP and MSP-DTW flights?

Yea it's pretty rare I do TR bits on domestic flights. Besides, as quite a few a.net folks will testify too, I have an uncanny ability to sleep on command and am usually out cold before we even takeoff and then all the way until touchdown, so - it's quite common I don't get any pics on the domestic flights haha.
 
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:31 pm

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 14):
Says you who always prefers 757 over A320 when on my buddy passes

Remember, for all public and intensive purposes, I get my passes through a station agreement  
Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 14):
Haha, whatever!! It was a very real concern... at least theoretically!! B6 was canceling the DEN-BOS and DEN-JFK flights all over hell and creation.

Yes, but it's jetBlue, the airline known for 9-hour taxiway holds in JFK...you really expect them to get it right?!

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 14):
Luckily for you, November is probably the single best month to nonrev to NRT. I've done it four years in a row, now.

I hope to be there for the fifth one  
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:58 am

Quoting jetblast (Reply 15):
Remember, for all public and intensive purposes, I get my passes through a station agreement

Ahh so... you will prefer 757 vs 320 on a station agreement rather than my passes. This is different!!  

Quoting jetblast (Reply 15):
Yes, but it's jetBlue, the airline known for 9-hour taxiway holds in JFK...you really expect them to get it right?!

I love how I'm probably the only person here to know you have a dog in that fight haha

Quoting jetblast (Reply 15):
I hope to be there for the fifth one

You better be!! If IAD-NRT is a 777 then, we're definitely doing ORD or SFO for the 744. Or, since DL 744's are gonna be EPIC WIN by then, how bout JFK-NRT?? Go long or go home  
 
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:41 am

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 14):

Do you mean flights or ship numbers??

DL - 1x ER (860), 2x LR (702, 707)
UA - 5x A (768, 769, 777, 779 x2), 9x ER (783 x2, 786, 788, 216, 217, 222 x2, 226)

Yes, meant shipnumbers.

Impressive list

Where are you going next ? NRT again ? Perhaps you shoul try PEK or PVG but you do need a visa. DTW-HKG should be a nice long flight.

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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:39 am

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 16):
Ahh so... you will prefer 757 vs 320 on a station agreement rather than my passes. This is different!!

I will not challenge this!!

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 16):
I love how I'm probably the only person here to know you have a dog in that fight haha

I hope you're the only one, otherwise I will be attacked by the B6 koolaiders ZOMGLOLZ

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 16):
You better be!! If IAD-NRT is a 777 then, we're definitely doing ORD or SFO for the 744. Or, since DL 744's are gonna be EPIC WIN by then, how bout JFK-NRT?? Go long or go home

LGORIOVC!! I would have no problem with either of these...as long as I get a Jet Lag Club sticker for the $3000 carryon bag...  
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:41 pm

Great report. I love those UAL 777 interiors with the classic Mainliner stripe on the bulkheads and old C seats. Spent many happy hours in those seats during a past life.

Nice work on the NRSA double dip as well. That is a rare accomplishment but certainly a satisfying feeling.
 
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:24 pm

Hi Transpac787,

Superb report, thanks for your efforts. Interesting comparison between the transatlantic offerings of DL and UA; based on your descriptions, it seems like DL has the lead for sure. I flew DL (in Y of course) two months ago on the MSP-CDG route and was impressed with the service, food, etc. Mind you, it wasn't amazing, but it was a solid product and better than what I have experienced on UA transatlantic in Y. DL is a growing powerhouse and the new UA/CO had better step it up a notch.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
A lot of flying in 24 hours, more than 10,000 miles


Wow, not bad mileage. I envy your nonrev privileges!

Greetings,
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:30 pm

Booo. Go to DTW next time.

Glad you had fun, looks like you enjoyed your flights. How old are those 772As?

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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:55 pm

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
It seems every A330 flight I've been on - 7 of them now - they have all had rough landings.

Probably because there's this huge buffoon in business class screwing up weight and balance   

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 12):
Quick question - seems like DL has new amenity kits. Do yu have a picture of them?
Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 14):
I don't, unfortunately. Come to think of it, I didn't even take mine with me. Ack!!!


Here's mine from August 26th



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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:44 am

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
Where are you going next ? NRT again ? Perhaps you shoul try PEK or PVG but you do need a visa. DTW-HKG should be a nice long flight.

NRT in November, probably. Need to make my pilgrimage on the 744's haha.

I'm dying to do DTW-HKG though, since you bring it up. Would set a personal distance and duration record for me. In the winter I believe it goes north of 16+00 blocktime. ULH!!

Quoting jetblast (Reply 18):
LGORIOVC!! I would have no problem with either of these...as long as I get a Jet Lag Club sticker for the $3000 carryon bag...

Haha you weirdo. I have a ton I could give you but - not quite the same if you haven't had a beer there yourself!!

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 19):
Nice work on the NRSA double dip as well. That is a rare accomplishment but certainly a satisfying feeling.

Once upon a time it was a quadruple dip. NW, AA, DL, and UA. Now it's just DL and UA. Not half bad though!!

Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 20):
I flew DL (in Y of course) two months ago on the MSP-CDG route and was impressed with the service, food, etc.

Excellent!! I was hoping to do that route myself but the LF's on it look remarkably high.

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 21):
Booo. Go to DTW next time.

I did!! DTW-AMS!!

Or did you mean when you were there for the DC9-30's haha

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 21):
How old are those 772As?

The internationally-configured ones are the oldest - 1995 to 1996 vintage. The six domestic birds are younger, 2000 vintage.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 22):
Probably because there's this huge buffoon in business class screwing up weight and balance

We are no longer on speaking terms, Kai  

That said, I always sit in the furthest aft part of the J-cabin, closest to the CG!! So HA!!!   
 
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:24 am

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 23):
dying to do DTW-HKG though, since you bring it up. Would set a personal distance and duration record for me. In the winter I believe it goes north of 16+00 blocktime. ULH!!

Perhaps ypu should try LAX-SYD ? Usually flight time (take off to touchdown) is about 14h30mins. My personal record for longest flight was DXB-LAX on EK with 16h 8mins.....in Y....Good flight though. DXB-LAX is in excess of 8000 miles....

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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:53 pm

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 23):
We are no longer on speaking terms, Kai  

  

I am going to Europe backwards next week. I know you are afraid of ZED tickets, but wanna come with as far as BKK
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:00 pm

Quoting The777Man (Reply 24):
DXB-LAX is in excess of 8000 miles....

Yea that's pretty impressive. With ATL-BOM gone the next best thing is ATL-JNB. I'd love to do that flight but talk about consistently high load factors.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 25):
I am going to Europe backwards next week. I know you are afraid of ZED tickets, but wanna come with as far as BKK ?

I just lol'd. I'm not afraid of ZED tickets, just using them in foreign lands!!

What Transpac flight you taking?
 
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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:04 pm

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 26):
I just lol'd. I'm not afraid of ZED tickets, just using them in foreign lands!!

But it's going into a land that is not foreign to me  
Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 26):
What Transpac flight you taking?

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RE: DL A330-200 Biz DTW-AMS, UA 777-200 Biz AMS-IAD

Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:05 pm

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 26):
Yea that's pretty impressive. With ATL-BOM gone the next best thing is ATL-JNB. I'd love to do that flight but talk about consistently high load factors.

Yeah no kidding  


Although, I guess what is bad for us is good for DL  
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