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Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:02 am



Background
After my girlfriend and I had booked the holiday package to Portugal I soon started searching for interesting side trip options. I knew about SATA Air Açores' flights between Madeira and the neighboring island Porto Santo (distance approximately 57 km), so I checked schedules and fares. Unfortunately, the good old BAe ATP had been replaced on the route in early 2010, but its successor, the DHC-8-200, was still missing in my log, too. And of course, SATA Air Açores would also be a new airline for me. Round trip fares were reasonable, but going on exactly the same plane twice wouldn't be very attractive. Finally we decided to combine a one-way 20-minute SATA flight with a one-way 2-hour ride on the Porto Santo Line ferry "Lobo Marinho", operating mostly daily between Funchal and Porto Santo. The one-way ferry ride cost only half as much as the SATA flight so we decided to accept the small surcharge for First Class tickets. So we would take the ferry to Porto Santo in the morning, spend a few hours there and return to Madeira on SATA in the early afternoon.

If you want to read more about Lisbon, Madeira & TAP, you just need to click here:

Awesome Approach, Splendid Scenery: LIS, FNC & TAP



Funchal-Porto Santo on "Lobo Marinho"
Shortly after 7:00 in the morning we took a taxi to Funchal harbor and arrived at the busy pier only a few minutes later:



The ro-ro ship "Lobo Marinho" has a length of 112 meters and a capacity of 1150 passengers and 145 cars. It is equipped with several bars, restaurants, shops, a cinema, a multimedia room, a playground for children and a sun deck. The maiden voyage took place in June 2003.



After stepping on board we immediately went to the First Class lounge aka "Salão Estrela do Mar":



It's equipped with comfortable leather armchairs and a bar:





All First Class passengers can enjoy a free breakfast buffet - the choice of items is limited, though:



The First Class lounge is located on the 7th floor above the bridge so you can enjoy nice views from outside:



Still very busy down there:



Portuguese Navy vessel:



The "Santa Maria", a replica of Columbus’ ship, is used for day cruises along Madeira’s coast:



We left the pier on time:







While we were passing the airport, a Jetairfly Boeing 737-700 turned in and landed on runway 05:









The wind was blowing nastily as we left behind the coast...





We were planning to have an extended breakfast, but not even 30 minutes after leaving the harbor the stewards already started to remove the buffet items. I was wondering about that, but some time later the reason became clear: rough sea! I'm quite immune to turbulence and rough swell, but it was impressive how the ship was shaken by the waves. The water even slapped against the front windows of the lounge.

Nevertheless, sitting around was boring, so we explored the other sections of the ship. Lobby with shops:



Economy Class:



The current "Lobo Marinho"...



...and its predecessor of the same name:



Helicopter landing field on the very top:



Deck plan:



Two hours after leaving Funchal we were approaching Porto Santo:





One of the island's most important attractions is a nine kilometer long white sand beach - something that virtually doesn't exist on Madeira:



Most of the island’s population lives in the little town of Vila Baleira:



Porto Santo Airport is just one kilometer away from Vila Baleira:



Only a few more minutes to go:



Many taxis and some busses were waiting at the pier:



There was a huge crowd of people waiting in the lobby, so after the ship put in it took about ten more minutes until we could walk outside. View from the pier:


15 minutes later a public bus brought us to Vila Baleira which is about two kilometers away from the pier.


Impressions from Porto Santo
First of all we went to the island's fabulous miles long beach:





"Lobo Marinho" from the distance:



Then we walked down a wooden foot bridge wherefrom we could enjoy beautiful views:





Vila Baleira is a nice little town...






...but be aware that the number of attractions is limited. After some shopping we took a taxi to the airport about one hour prior to departure. We could have chosen an evening flight instead of the early afternoon flight, but we had never been really interested in a bus tour around the small island and we wanted to be back at our hotel for dinner...  Wink

The airport itself was built by the NATO in 1960, the new terminal building was opened in 1995:



Tower:



View of Vila Baleira from the airport:






Monday, 21 June 2010
Porto Santo (PXO) - Madeira (FNC)
SATA Air Açores SP1695
13:30-13:50 (13:24-13:42)
Flying time: 00:11 (hrs)
Economy Class, Seat 9D

Bombardier DHC-8Q-202
CS-TRC (MSN 480), named "Faial"
First delivered to Horizon Airlines as N347PH in 05/1997


1st flight on CS-TRC
1st DHC-8-200 flight
9th DHC-8 flight
97th airline



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The terminal was mostly deserted, only two more SATA flights to Madeira and a Viking Airlines flight to the UK were scheduled on that day. A friendly female agent checked us in and told us that there would be free seating. Then we passed security and went to the gate where some other Madeira-bound passengers were watching the FIFA World Cup match between Portugal and North Korea which would end 7:0:



Our Dash 8-200 arrived on time: It was CS-TRC, built in May 1997 and delivered to SATA Air Açores in May 2009. It’s one of two DHC-8-200s in the SATA fleet:



While walking to the aircraft I used the chance to take several pictures:





CS-TRC is named "Faial" - that’s an island of the central group of the Azores:



A friendly male flight attendant in the 50s welcomed us on board and we walked down to the last row. The plane is equipped with comfortable leather seats:





Legroom is quite generous:



All passengers had taken their seats quickly (load factor about 50 percent), so we left the parking position six minutes ahead of schedule and taxied straight to runway 18:





We lifted off after a short takeoff roll:







Two minutes later we were cruising over the clouds:



Cabin shot:



Seven minutes after leaving the ground we were already overflying Madeira's striking coastline:



Caniçal:



Another approach to the "aircraft carrier's" runway 05:



Unfortunately, I was facing the sun after the plane turned right for final approach. We touched down after a flying time of only 11 minutes - no doubts, this was my shortest flight ever:




Some minutes later a bus brought us to the terminal building and we went straight to the observation deck.

TAP A319 and Thomas Cook and Finnair 757s:



The other side of the apron:



I zoomed in and took a last picture of CS-TRC - I really like SATA's new livery:



After the Thomas Cook 757 had been pushed back I could see the other plane's registration - and I was pleased that it was OH-LBT, the last missing Finnair 757:



TAP A319 turning right immediately after liftoff:


There weren't any more interesting movements to expect, so we took the shuttle back to the city. No doubts, it was a really enjoyable trip to Porto Santo.


Conclusion
The flight on SATA Air Açores was very short, but still very enjoyable. Staff members were friendly, the flight operated on time, the plane was in good shape and seating was quite comfortable. I wouldn't hesitate to fly on SATA Air Açores again.



Best Regards,
PlaneHunter



P.S.: Just in case you missed them - my previous trip reports:
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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:24 am

Hi PH,

Nice to see another of yours up! Another great TR, you managed to stretch out an 11 minute flight quite a bit   Thanks for sharing!

The ship looks quite nice.. But 2 hrs vs 11 minutes! Sounds quite similar to WLG-BHE.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
While we were passing the airport, a Jetairfly Boeing 737-700 turned in and landed on runway 05:

Nice, you can also spot planes like this coming into WLG when leaving/arriving on the ferry from/to downtown Wellington.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The wind was blowing nastily as we left behind the coast...

We can't see that it's blowing  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Economy Class:

Doesn't seem too bad for a 2 hour boat ride.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
A friendly male flight attendant in the 50s welcomed us on board and we walked down to the last row. The plane is equipped with comfortable leather seats:

Haven't seen 5-abreast in a prop for a while!


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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:00 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 1):
Nice to see another of yours up! Another great TR, you managed to stretch out an 11 minute flight quite a bit

Hi Nicholas, thanks a lot for your fast reply!

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 1):
The ship looks quite nice.. But 2 hrs vs 11 minutes! Sounds quite similar to WLG-BHE.

Interesting - can you recommend a ship/plane combo on that route?

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 1):
Nice, you can also spot planes like this coming into WLG when leaving/arriving on the ferry from/to downtown Wellington.

Hopefully I will be able to visit WLG next time...


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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:18 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
Interesting - can you recommend a ship/plane combo on that route?

It's a long ferry ride! Probably much much rougher on average than what you would have experienced.. I guess it depends on what season you pick too. And it could be a challenge getting to BHE from Picton - the seaside port which is about 20km from Blenheim. Interislander Ferry vs Air NZ Link's (scheduled) 25 minute B1900D flight.


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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:11 pm

Hi PH
really nice TR of a place which is not covered that much, but looks as it is a good location for a relaxing holiday.
The Terminal there looks quite huge, were there some other departures on the same day?
And you just won over my Q400 flight LUX - SCN which took 12 minutes.
Anyway very pleasant reading
Thanks for sharing

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 1):
Nice, you can also spot planes like this coming into WLG when leaving/arriving on the ferry from/to downtown Wellington.

WLG is just beautiful as is all things in NZ really miss AKL
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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:25 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 3):
It's a long ferry ride! Probably much much rougher on average than what you would have experienced.. I guess it depends on what season you pick too. And it could be a challenge getting to BHE from Picton - the seaside port which is about 20km from Blenheim. Interislander Ferry vs Air NZ Link's (scheduled) 25 minute B1900D flight.

Sounds really interesting!

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 4):
really nice TR of a place which is not covered that much, but looks as it is a good location for a relaxing holiday.
Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 4):
Anyway very pleasant reading

Many thanks! Yes, Porto Santo should be a good place for relaxing. The long beach is great.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 4):
The Terminal there looks quite huge, were there some other departures on the same day?

Only one more SATA flight to Madeira and a Viking Airlines flight to the UK. It's not a busy airport.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 4):
And you just won over my Q400 flight LUX - SCN which took 12 minutes.

Not bad considering that you flew more than 20 km further.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 4):
WLG is just beautiful as is all things in NZ really miss AKL

I wasn't able to visit WLG on my recent RTW trip, but I was very impressed by NZ in general.


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Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:29 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 5):
Not bad considering that you flew more than 20 km furth

Everything was perfect, both times we used the unusual runway direction and the wind blew right into the Saarland
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Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:38 pm

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 6):
Everything was perfect, both times we used the unusual runway direction and the wind blew right into the Saarland

Perfect conditions - and one must consider that the Q400 flies much faster than the Q200.


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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:09 pm

Interesting report PH. Nice move to sample the boat and plane for the same journey.

That beach looks so inviting, actually the town looks really nice in general, if a little quiet.

Congratulations on logging a new type. I quite like the look of the -200. Its shorter proportions suit it well.

Thanks for taking the time to post another great report.
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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:20 pm

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 8):
Interesting report PH. Nice move to sample the boat and plane for the same journey.
Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 8):
Thanks for taking the time to post another great report.

Thanks a lot, Lee!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 8):
That beach looks so inviting, actually the town looks really nice in general, if a little quiet.

I guess Porto Santo is the perfect place to relax off the beaten tourist track.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 8):
I quite like the look of the -200. Its shorter proportions suit it well.

Yes, it's a nice litte plane.


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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:22 pm

Hi PH,

Another amazing trademark of yours with lots of beautiful pictures! I especially like your ferry trip report and the scenery of the long sandy beach of Porto Santo. It reminds me a bit of my own trip to Karimunjawa. Though, your ferry is definitely bigger and more luxurious than ours.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Round trip fares were reasonable, but going on exactly the same plane twice wouldn't be very attractive.

Just as I would expect from you.   

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The "Santa Maria", a replica of Columbus’ ship

Wow, did Columbus really cross the ocean with it? Just compare it to your ferry.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
was wondering about that, but some time later the reason became clear: rough sea! I'm quite immune to turbulence and rough swell, but it was impressive how the ship was shaken by the waves.

Yikes, not my cup of tea! I think I would have to stay away from any further ferry trip.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
the FIFA World Cup match between Portugal and North Korea which would end 7:0:

Oh yes, that memorable match

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
really like SATA's new livery:

So do I.

Thank you so much for sharing it. Looking forward to your next installment.

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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:43 pm

Quoting akhmad (Reply 10):
Another amazing trademark of yours with lots of beautiful pictures! I especially like your ferry trip report and the scenery of the long sandy beach of Porto Santo. It reminds me a bit of my own trip to Karimunjawa.

Hi Suryo, many thanks, I'm glad you liked it!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 10):
Wow, did Columbus really cross the ocean with it? Just compare it to your ferry.

Amazing, isn't it? That ship looks really small by today's standards.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 10):
Yikes, not my cup of tea! I think I would have to stay away from any further ferry trip.

It can get really bad out there between Madeira and Porto Santo. Sometimes they have to cancel the trip, especially in the winter months.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 10):
Oh yes, that memorable match

Funchal was full of cheering fans after our arrival.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 10):
Looking forward to your next installment.

Lots of work ahead...I will post two more reports about some European flights (widebodies included), followed by the RTW trip series.


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Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:39 pm

Hi, PH,

great pictures and story, nothing else expected from your sidetrip to Porto Santo.
An island also in my log, you know, secured on the FNC-PXO-FNC legs with SATA´s ATP short prior to the Dash services.

A really good idea to compare the ferry and the flight, aways nice to take different forms of transport.

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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:47 pm

Hi PH,

Great report and fantastic pictures about your trip. The First Class section on the ferry looks nice - a pity you couldn't really enjoy the whole breakfast. I also liked your pictures of Porto Santo - seems to be a good destination for a short visit.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, the good old BAe ATP had been replaced on the route in early 2010, but its successor, the DHC-8-200, was still missing in my log, too.

Doesn't sound too bad - the Dash 8-200 is a very rare bird too.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
While we were passing the airport, a Jetairfly Boeing 737-700 turned in and landed on runway 05

Amazing views of the airport, great pictures!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I really like SATA's new livery

Me too - looks nice on the Dash 8.

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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:54 pm

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 12):
great pictures and story, nothing else expected from your sidetrip to Porto Santo.

Hi Markus, thanks for your comments!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 12):
An island also in my log, you know, secured on the FNC-PXO-FNC legs with SATA´s ATP short prior to the Dash services.

Yes, I remember that report.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 12):
A really good idea to compare the ferry and the flight, aways nice to take different forms of transport.

Usually I prefer flying, but I don't mind about a ship ride from time to time.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 13):
Great report and fantastic pictures about your trip.

Hi Christoph, many thanks!

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 13):
I also liked your pictures of Porto Santo - seems to be a good destination for a short visit.

Yes, I can also very well imagine to stay there at a nice beach hotel for some days.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 13):
Doesn't sound too bad - the Dash 8-200 is a very rare bird too.

That's true, it's quite hard to find.


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Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:58 pm

Hi PH!

Very nice report again with great pictues! I'm glad that you don't get seasick easily because it's a terrible feeling......trust me on that  

What's the difference in cost between the ferry and the flight ?

That's a very short flight, 11mns !!!! My shortest was SNA-LAX for a total of 16 mins on a Embraer 120.

Looking forward to your next report!

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Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:26 am

PlaneHunter,

Another really nice report! Your pictures were really good .. looks like you had a nice trip! Very beautiful place it looks like.

Looking forward to your next trip!

Thanks for sharing,

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Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:10 am

Quoting The777Man (Reply 15):
Very nice report again with great pictues!

Hi Lars, many thanks for your reply!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 15):
I'm glad that you don't get seasick easily because it's a terrible feeling......trust me on that

Yes, I hope that.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 15):
What's the difference in cost between the ferry and the flight ?

If you buy one-way tickets, the flight costs about twice as much. However, the fares are cheaper for residents.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 15):
My shortest was SNA-LAX for a total of 16 mins on a Embraer 120.

Interesting flight. I just found out that it's almost exactly the same distance!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 16):
Another really nice report! Your pictures were really good .. looks like you had a nice trip! Very beautiful place it looks like.

Thanks a lot, Matthew!


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Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:01 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 17):
Quoting The777Man (Reply 15):
My shortest was SNA-LAX for a total of 16 mins on a Embraer 120.

Interesting flight. I just found out that it's almost exactly the same distance!

Thanks for the info! OO stopped that route about three years ago so I tried it before it was discontinued. I flew LAX-SNA-LAX and was only in SNA for about 10 mins.......Very scenic flight over the metro Los Angeles area. OO also stopped LAX-ONT at about the same time.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 17):
If you buy one-way tickets, the flight costs about twice as much. However, the fares are cheaper for residents.

That makes sense. Good idea to have the ferry service for people to bring cars of need be.

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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:02 am

Hey another nice report. Very nice pictures of the Island. Im getting used to the new SATA livery I cant make up my mind which I prefer.

The ship looked quite nice .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The First Class lounge is located on the 7th floor above the bridge so you can enjoy nice views from outside:

I have walked down that pier when I was on a cruise ship some years back. I walked from Reid's hotel to there. Very steep roads.

Look forward to the next report.

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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:48 am

Hi PH,

A nice one. Somehow the combination of planes and ferries seems very familiar to me right now...  

Looks like you had quite a nice if a bit rough ride on that ferry, definitely a good way to enjoy a couple of hours. Porto Santo looks like a nice place, makes me wonder why didn't I add it to my free day at Madeira this summer?

Like the looks of that Dash plane, and yes, the SATA livery is very pretty.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, the good old BAe ATP had been replaced on the route in early 2010, but its successor, the DHC-8-200, was still missing in my log, too.

Hey, just flew an ATP this week in Sweden, report to follow. But the -200 Dash is also a good catch, never flown on anything but the -300 and -400s myself.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
All First Class passengers can enjoy a free breakfast buffet - the choice of items is limited, though:

So all you got for your FC ticket was access to this lounge and breakfast? Or was the bar service free as well? How much was the difference in ticket prices?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
While we were passing the airport, a Jetairfly Boeing 737-700 turned in and landed on runway 05:

Nice shots!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The airport itself was built by the NATO in 1960, the new terminal building was opened in 1995:

Hmm, I seem to recall that this airport has a particularly long runway thanks to its roots as a military airport. Is this so or am I confusing it with something in the Azores?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, I was facing the sun after the plane turned right for final approach.

Your second time and you haven't yet learned to sit on the other side for some variation and hair raising views of the hillsides whizzing past!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
We touched down after a flying time of only 11 minutes - no doubts, this was my shortest flight ever:

I beat you on this - mine is JER-GCI which I've done twice, it's only 24 miles versus your 36!  . I've flown that route twice, it took around 15 minutes or so with an Aurigny Trislander but I think only around 10 with the Blue Islamnds ATR...

See: JER-GCI" target="_blank">http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=FNC-PXO,+JER-GCI

Another interesting route and I think the second shortest route in my log is the short domestic hop in Finland, VRK-SVL at 38 miles - that didn't take too long on a Golden Air Saab 340 either:

VRK-SVL" target="_blank">http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=VRK-SVL
 
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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:38 am

Hi Planehunter,

as usual, nice trip report.

How much is the cost the ship in 1st class? And just another question: a Viking airlines flight scheduled at Porto Santo? I have understood that was a very little airport and I thought there are not enough runway to land or take off a "big" aircraft like A320 or M80...

Anyway, and repeating said first, nice work!

Regards.

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Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:50 pm

Very nice short report from you Planehunter. Agree, I also like SATA's colour scheme on the Dash 8 and it looked very cosy. I am booked on a Dash 8 - 100 in Australia in March, which makes 8 stops and lasts 8 hours - from Brisbane to Mt Isa. I can hardly wait !

Thanks for posting this and of course, some fantastic photos from the trip. Looking forward to the next . Cheers P/jet
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Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:05 pm

Very enjoyable continuation of your journey PlaneHunter, thanks for sharing. Also, fantastic photographs all along.
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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:29 pm

Quoting The777Man (Reply 18):
I flew LAX-SNA-LAX and was only in SNA for about 10 mins.......Very scenic flight over the metro Los Angeles area. OO also stopped LAX-ONT at about the same time.

It's too bad that these flights aren't available any more.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
Hey another nice report. Very nice pictures of the Island.

Thanks for your feedback, Phil!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 20):
A nice one. Somehow the combination of planes and ferries seems very familiar to me right now...

Many thanks for your comments!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 20):
Porto Santo looks like a nice place, makes me wonder why didn't I add it to my free day at Madeira this summer?

Well, I'm sure you will squeeze in a FNC-PXO-FNC round trip on one of your 100-200 journeys next year...  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 20):
So all you got for your FC ticket was access to this lounge and breakfast? Or was the bar service free as well? How much was the difference in ticket prices?

FC cost about ten Euro more per person. Bar service was not included.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 20):
Hmm, I seem to recall that this airport has a particularly long runway thanks to its roots as a military airport. Is this so or am I confusing it with something in the Azores?

You are right, the runway is more than 3000 meters long.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 20):
Your second time and you haven't yet learned to sit on the other side for some variation and hair raising views of the hillsides whizzing past!

Yes, I preferred to see the airport again. But I may change next time...

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 20):
I beat you on this - mine is JER-GCI which I've done twice, it's only 24 miles versus your 36!

JER-GCI came to my mind first when I was thinking about very short routes.

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 21):
as usual, nice trip report.
Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 21):
Anyway, and repeating said first, nice work!

Thanks a lot, Gerard!

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 21):

How much is the cost the ship in 1st class?

We paid 36 Euro per person.

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 21):
And just another question: a Viking airlines flight scheduled at Porto Santo? I have understood that was a very little airport and I thought there are not enough runway to land or take off a "big" aircraft like A320 or M80...

The airport is small and not very busy, but the runway is more than 3000 meters long.

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 22):
Very nice short report from you Planehunter.
Quoting Palmjet (Reply 22):
Thanks for posting this and of course, some fantastic photos from the trip.

Many thanks, Palmjet!

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 22):
I am booked on a Dash 8 - 100 in Australia in March, which makes 8 stops and lasts 8 hours - from Brisbane to Mt Isa. I can hardly wait !

Wow, that sounds really interesting. I guess we can expect a nice series of reports?

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 23):
Very enjoyable continuation of your journey PlaneHunter, thanks for sharing. Also, fantastic photographs all along.

Hi Marius, thanks a lot for your comments! Good to hear you liked it.


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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:29 pm

Hi PH

Thanks for sharing and great photos. Nice to have a mix of the Plane and the boat in your report.

Whats the observation deck at FNC like?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Then we passed security and went to the gate where some other Madeira-bound passengers were watching the FIFA World Cup match between Portugal and North Korea which would end 7:0:

I remember that day well, I was on my break from work watching that!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
While walking to the aircraft I used the chance to take several pictures:

Always a bonus that.

Cheers for sharing.

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Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:31 am

Nice plane and ship report. I enjoyed reading it, I'm glad that you were able to get on the DH8, I have a DH8 flight coming up in December. I enjoyed the ship portion as well. However, First Class did not look worth the extra IMO.
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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:11 pm

An excellent follow-on to your 'Porto' series PH!

The pictures are excellent as always, and the views are simply stunning! .. I really must visit Portugal very soon, and i am still remembering your approach into Funchal and the fascinating back-taxi to the apron, i am never seen anything like it before.

Vila Baleira seems like a very nice and humble town, and the pictures -especially those taken after takeoff from PXO- remind me of Jordan. It must be the dry landscape!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
the First Class lounge aka "Salão Estrela do Mar":

Looks better than many airline premium lounges!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Economy Class:

Quite the spacious cabin!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
We touched down after a flying time of only 11 minutes - no doubts, this was my shortest flight ever:

WoW! That is indeed a very short flight!


Thanks for sharing this with us PH! Hope to see more soon!

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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:48 pm

Hi PH,

A good report with very nice pics, thanks for that. I'm always amazed how some airlines have this very short hops (you mention 7 mins flight time), I wonder if they make any profit out of those flights?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
rough sea

Oh, how I hate that. Even with seas as flat as a piece of paper I manage to get seasick  . Luckily I do not have this problem when flying...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 24):
Helicopter landing field on the very top

That is a very cramped sapce to land for a helicopter it seems to me!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 10):
Madeira's striking coastline

I have not been to Madeira yet but judging from your pic, I totally agree.

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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:46 pm

Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 25):
Thanks for sharing and great photos. Nice to have a mix of the Plane and the boat in your report.

Hi Matt, thanks a lot for your comments!

Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 25):
Whats the observation deck at FNC like?

That's a great place, you can find some more pictures in the other report:
Awesome Approach, Splendid Scenery: LIS, FNC & TAP (by PlaneHunter Oct 30 2010 in Trip Reports)

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 26):
Nice plane and ship report. I enjoyed reading it, I'm glad that you were able to get on the DH8

Many thanks, MSS658.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 26):
I have a DH8 flight coming up in December.

Q400, -300 or even a shorter version?

Quoting ronerone (Reply 27):
An excellent follow-on to your 'Porto' series PH!

The pictures are excellent as always, and the views are simply stunning!

Hi Roni, thanks so much for your feedback, always highly appreciated!

Quoting ronerone (Reply 27):
I really must visit Portugal very soon, and i am still remembering your approach into Funchal and the fascinating back-taxi to the apron, i am never seen anything like it before.

The approach alone is worth it to go there!

Quoting ronerone (Reply 27):
Hope to see more soon!

Yes, numerous reports to come. Something about fifth freedom flying to follow soon...

Quoting sultanils (Reply 28):
A good report with very nice pics, thanks for that.

Many thanks, Nils!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 28):
I'm always amazed how some airlines have this very short hops (you mention 7 mins flight time), I wonder if they make any profit out of those flights?

Well, you can only get to Porto Santo by plane or ship. And there are good reasons to take the plane. Probably these operations are also subsidized.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 28):
That is a very cramped sapce to land for a helicopter it seems to me!

Yes, that's what I thought, too.


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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:35 pm

Hello Planehunter!

Thank you for another great report with really nice pictures. I must say that the little dash8 looks really good in the SATA livery 

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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:15 am

Quoting parton87 (Reply 30):
Thank you for another great report with really nice pictures

Hi Robert, thanks for your feedback! Good to hear you liked it!


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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:15 am

Hi PH,

A great plane / boat combo - always makes for interesting reading.

11minutes in the air or 2 hours on rough seas, I know which I'd go for!!

The beach at Porto Santo looked likes something out of a picture book with all that golden sand. And as for Sata, great seating configuration on the back row with the 5th seat, just like being on the bus!

There was a case a few years ago of a Monarch flight enroute from the Carribean to the UK being diverted to Porto Santo because of an unruly passenger. The offending chap was booted off and left to sober up.

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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:21 am

Hi PH,

nice little report on SATA. As you say, the DHC 8-200 series is quite unique in Europe. I'm happy with my turn on euroManx single example they flew when still around. Indeed, SATA livery is very appealing. I like it also!

Good to see your ship experience also. I think these ships are also very comfortable and they really attract me more nowadays, after my good experiences on them in Greece. We'll cross the Northsea in 3 weeks on a brandnew ferry, and really looking forward to it!

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Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:23 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 29):

DH8-300 on a flight from GSP to CLT on US Airways (Piedmont). Flight will be complete in darkness, but wil do my best to make some decent pictures.
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Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:08 pm

Quoting infodesk (Reply 32):
A great plane / boat combo - always makes for interesting reading.

Many thanks for your comments, Hannah!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 32):
And as for Sata, great seating configuration on the back row with the 5th seat, just like being on the bus!

Yes, really interesting configuration.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 32):
There was a case a few years ago of a Monarch flight enroute from the Carribean to the UK being diverted to Porto Santo because of an unruly passenger. The offending chap was booted off and left to sober up.

Porto Santo is an ideal place for such diversions.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 33):
nice little report on SATA. As you say, the DHC 8-200 series is quite unique in Europe. I'm happy with my turn on euroManx single example they flew when still around. Indeed, SATA livery is very appealing. I like it also!

Hi Eric, thanks for your feedback!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 33):
We'll cross the Northsea in 3 weeks on a brandnew ferry, and really looking forward to it!

Sounds interesting. Will it be a ship/plane combo?

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 34):
DH8-300 on a flight from GSP to CLT on US Airways (Piedmont). Flight will be complete in darkness, but wil do my best to make some decent pictures.

Alright, try your luck. A Piedmont report wouldn't be bad.


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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:14 am

Hello(!),

Just to say many thanks for the trip report and pics. I was in Madeira with my aunt a couple of years ago and we went to Porto Santo for a day by ferry too. We went for the trip around the island and I had a swim on the beach and we took the ferry back. Would have been nice to fly back though, even though it's only a very short flight. Didn't get the chance to really plane spot at Funchal airport which looking back I kinda regret. But was very nice to make the trip back there with you at least in writing.

Many thanks,

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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:41 pm

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 36):
Just to say many thanks for the trip report and pics.

Hi Pierre, thanks for your comments.

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 36):
We went for the trip around the island and I had a swim on the beach and we took the ferry back.

Must have been very nice to swim there, the beach is fabulous.


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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:34 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 24):
It's too bad that these flights aren't available any more.

My shortest was IAH- HOU on CALs Proud Bird Express, 25 minutes chock to chock (airline lingo)
Total flying time of 7 minutes over downtown Houston. Took this flight right after I started working for CAL in
1987. Used a DC9-10 back then

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Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:59 am

Quoting fshplns (Reply 38):
My shortest was IAH- HOU on CALs Proud Bird Express, 25 minutes chock to chock (airline lingo)
Total flying time of 7 minutes over downtown Houston. Took this flight right after I started working for CAL in
1987. Used a DC9-10 back then

Wow, must have a great experience on that nice little plane.


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Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:51 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 39):
Wow, must have a great experience on that nice little plane.

  
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Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:50 am

Quoting fshplns (Reply 40):
My company would invariably put us non-revs in the last row right next the engines (and no windows for that row).

Yes, I know these kind of seats on the DC-9s. But at least you got on the DC-9-10...


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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:03 pm

This was a great trip report PlaneHunter. Ship vs plane - a very good comparison indeed. While we all love our planes a ship journey cannot hurt and gives some variety to our travels. The closest I have done lately to that sort of thing has been flying to TFS in 2006 and 2008 and sailing over to La Gomera on both occasions. I did not include the sailing portions in my reports then though.

POS - TAB is the shortest flight I have ever been on, weighing in at 15 minutes for the 82km journey on the Dash 8 Q300 but it was scheduled (and done) in 12 minutes in the past when BW had its DC-9s. Although short, these inter-island flights are critically important for many - business appointments, medical clinics, shopping, onward travel and so many more reasons. The T&T domestic sector for example sees 20 round trips most days, increasing considerably on Sundays and at busy holiday periods. Also look at the Canaries, with LPA - TFN having 30 or so round trips daily (plus a few to TFS).

That middle seat in the rear is a Dash 8 thing in the 100s and Q200s, I recall seeing it on LI -100s. On the Q300 it is deleted but the last numbered row is at the very front of the aircraft and is back-facing. It is quite an experience to fly back forward!

Thanks again PlaneHunter, a little warm sunshine in a report when the reality outside is rather different.

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RE: Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores

Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:24 pm

Quoting trintocan (Reply 42):
This was a great trip report PlaneHunter. Ship vs plane - a very good comparison indeed.
Quoting trintocan (Reply 42):
Thanks again PlaneHunter, a little warm sunshine in a report when the reality outside is rather different.

Thanks a lot, TrinToCan, that's nice to hear!

Quoting trintocan (Reply 42):
While we all love our planes a ship journey cannot hurt and gives some variety to our travels.

  

Quoting trintocan (Reply 42):

POS - TAB is the shortest flight I have ever been on, weighing in at 15 minutes for the 82km journey on the Dash 8 Q300 but it was scheduled (and done) in 12 minutes in the past when BW had its DC-9s.

Definitely an interesting route!

Quoting trintocan (Reply 42):
The T&T domestic sector for example sees 20 round trips most days, increasing considerably on Sundays and at busy holiday periods.

Very impressive!


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