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Afriqiyah + Libyan 8U 431: NOV/10: CAI-TIP+: J Cab

Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:55 pm

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I > Background:
This is going to be a special report for many reasons. After having sampled how the "other half" lives, and what First Class travel is all about, I return to my "roots", and bring you a series of rather "exotic" reports which I hope you will like.

At the end of November 2011, I took some time off from work to visit parts of North Africa for some much needed rest and relaxation. As cliché as it sounds, I have always had a desire to go "off the beaten path", and my itinerary was to visit a friend in Egypt, then have 2 days in Libya (the maximum visa I was given for "transit" without a sponsor), and finally end up in Tunisia. Little did I know then that during and after my visit, these countries would fundamentally change and that so much of my visit would become part of the "old order". Looking back, I feel like I visited East Germany before the Wall fell ... or Soviet Union during collapse. My friends feel weird because I had returned from Yemen three days before "civil war" broke out, and "escaped" from Iraq a day before the U.S. led invasion of 2003. Personally, I have always felt extremely lucky and always travel with the belief that the world can change anytime, anywhere.

I know I suck at A.Net searches ... but this time (vamos a ver), I am pretty confident that this will be the first Business class review of Libya's 2 carriers - Afriqiyah and Libyan Arab Airlines. There has been one Y report on LGW-TIP on 8U, but it did not have any pictures. Perhaps, this is also the first report from Libya with pictures? The report will focus on my 8U segment between CAI and TIP. In a departure from all my reports thus far, I will report on the unexpected LN flight from TIP to TUN. Since I did not plan on being on the route, there really won't be any report or scoring - but some pictures at the end, and the reason why I ended up in it ... keep reading ...


II > Pre-Flight:

a) Before Airport:
Afriqiyah Airways is an airline based in Tripoli, Libya. It operates domestic services between Tripoli and Benghazi and international scheduled services to over 25 countries in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Based out of Tripoli, the name Afriqiyah comes from the Arabic language word for African. The 9.9.99 logo on the side of Afriqiyah's airplanes refers to the date of the Sirte Declaration which marked the formation of the African Union, and where Mohd. Gaddafi formulated the idea for Afriqiyah to be the "Airline of Africa" with its hub in Tripoli.

As you read this, the evolving situation in Libya makes you wonder what would happen to 8U and its planned merger with Libyan Arab Airlines ...

... which is the official flag carrier of Libya based in TIP as well.

Originally, my routing was supposed to be on 8U from CAI to TIP and then TIP to TUN. I tried to buy the ticket on Afriqiyah's own website at http://www.afriqiyah.aero/ - which is actually surprisingly good and actually let me go all the way - before (like many other "exotic" airlines) - it faced its mortal enemy - a foreign credit card. Here is where the site choked and I had to call them. Thankfully, the people on the phone were very nice and mentioned I could pick it up in CAI. Cool. After the e-ticket was issued, I could go online and chose seats (a MAJOR surprise) - and view and print the itinerary.

b) At Airport:
Afriqiyah uses T1 at Cairo. Now normally, Cairo T1 is a microcosm of a quintessential Cairo experience where one jostless and pushes their way past countless random people hanging out at the entrance to make their way into the terminal past security guards. You are asked for a little "bakseesh" along the way and all you can think of is leaving CAI. This time was different - I did not really like the sterile T3 and longed for such experiences ... sadly, this was not to be as I had a remarkably smooth sailing. Perhaps, I had finally started walking like an Egyptian!

Unlike when MS used T1 and had a separate premium section, all airlines are thrown into the pool. Just after entering, your bags are scanned and then you walk up to the check-in counter. The man there was totally surprised seeing me heading to Libya and had to double/triple check my Libyan tourist visa. He even took my famous Liechtenstein passport to his "supervisor" and they both excitedly had random questions about my country. Neither of them had obviously heard of it. Anyways, boarding and lounge card in hand, I made it pass the trademark smoke-filled immigration booths out of an Arabic movie into the boarding areas. They had gone through some changes and the area looked much better than the 1970's movie set I had encountered even an year earlier. For those familiar with Cairo, there is a whole nicer second floor and a third floor with eateries. Actually, it reminded me a bit of Colombo airport's second floor.

CAI still has these random themed lounges which make no sense as none of them live up to their glorious names (“Egyptian” lounge, “American” lounge, “Italian” lounge, etc.). Anyways, after a quick café and light snacks, I plane spotted some interesting birds - including a Buraq flight also heading to TIP, a flight of Nile Air, and several unmarked carriers that left me wondering.

There was no call for boarding and as I made my way to the gate near boarding time, I knew we were delayed. This being Cairo there were no staff to be seen and the security guards just kept on telling me to go to the gate area. The gate area itself was a mess and in typical Cairo fashion yelling, shouting, and screaming unfolded with people demanding what was going on. The hapless security guard just kept on saying things to people in Arabic that I obviously did not understand ... but I bet it was something along the lines that he was not Afriqiyah staff. Anyways, over an hour late, and with no apology offered, the staff came by and decided to board. I don't know what was more sad - the staff not offering any apologies. Or, the fact that these upset people were so used to receiving this shoddy service.

Anyways, we were bused to our gate where our rather impressive looking Afriqiyah stood basking in the sun. Climbing up the staircase, I was surprised to enter the cabin and be greeted nicely by the purser who escorted me to my seat. They were obviously not comfortable with English and were a little amused by the only Caucasian person in an all-Arab cabin. The second surprise came when the cabin (and, I had done no research or seen pictures of 8U's JCL) appeared immaculate with attractive green seats that were very well maintained. Not bad at all. I soon forgot my shabby experience at the gate and eagerly looked forward to my voyage on Afriqiyah

J load was around 60%.

Airport - External:

(Approaching Cairo Airport)

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(CAI Terminal 1)


Check-in:

(8U Check-In Area)


Airport - Internal:



(FIDS)


(Post Security @ CAI)



Scenes of the tarmac:

(Nesma Airlines)


(Nile Air)

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(Buraq also flying to TIP)

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(Unmarked 737's - any clue who these belong to?)

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Lounge

(Common Lounge - that famous CAI invitation)

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Boarding:


(Madness and confusion @ CAI gates - this is pretty normal)

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(Boarding, at last)


III> In-Flight:

a) Service Schedule + Impressions:
Prior to take-off, water was offered. After take-off, hot towel service followed by a light snack service. Just prior to landing, a "comment card" was given out - now I don't know if anyone actually read these in Libya (yes, I am cynical), but I did appreciate the gesture.

b) Aircraft + Seats:
Afriqiyha's 332 are extremely attractive looking birds. While their livery has "random" origins, I like it and am even more impressed by the interiors. The green seats are very well maintained and I actually like the overall vibe I got from the inside. Moreover, perhaps because green is not an often used color, the interior looked fresh and different.

I was most impressed by the complete lie-flat seats - which I initially thought were lie-flat and turned out to do much more than that. Perhaps some of our frequent LAN or Air India travelers can clarify, but this appeared as the identical seat to LAN/Air India? While the seat was comfortable in regular position, and had some nifty pre-set relax positions, it truly shone when in full-flat. "Bumps" and "folds" were minimized and the only slightly uncomfortable thing was the weirdly placed legrest. If it was offered on a longer flight, I'd no doubt I would get a good night's sleep! Around the seat was a USB port and power adopter (impressed again), and relatively ample storage space.

The bathroom was spotless ... though, it lacked any amenities besides some scented facial wipes.

Aircraft:
(8U 332)


Views from Aircraft:

(Who is this?)

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(Goodbye Cairo - how you have changed since then ...)

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(MS parallel take-off)

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(Between Benghazi and Tripoli - what's going on there as I type?)

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General Seat Views + Seat Legroom

(Good looking seat)

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(Seat guide)

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(Front of seat)

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(Around the seat)

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(Seat Controls)

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(Legroom: My customary "brown shoe" shot)


Seat Recline + Angle View:

(Full flat)

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Cabin:


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(Mood lighting)

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(Framed windows)

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(This is how the bar area on a dry airline looks like)


(Blanket ++)
NONE

(Bathroom)

c) Meal + Beverage:
On the ground, water and several juices were offered on this dry airline. Keeping in mind that the flying time was only around 3 hours in an awkward 1430-1630 period, I was not really expecting anything impressive. However, I was pleasantly surprised when my table was set up for a full meal service. There was no menu, but the crew came to offer me a choice of salmon, chicken, or vegetarian. I chose the salmon which was accompanied by a medley of traditional and VERY yummy Arabic starters. They were actually the highlight of the meal and compensated for the rather bland salmon itself. The bread was fresh ... though the dessert was uninspiring. After the meal service, some very strong café rounded an entirely memorable experience and left me smiling as our flight continued hugging the north African coast. Weird how I look back at the moving map and each of that land mass underneath me is now a war zone between rebels and Gaddafi's forces.

(Menu)
NONE

(On Ground: I wish I had taken one of these glasses)

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(Meal Service)

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d) Inflight Entertainment:
Besides the interiors, probably the biggest surprise for me was Afriqiyah's IFE. The fact that they even had an AVOD IFE was a surprise to me. The screen size and resolution was stellar - the headsets were mediocre - and the actual content very amusing. Besides some VERY random collection of music, including some "covers" by obviously Pinoy artists, it was hilarious to browse through movie titles that had been translated back into English from their Arabic translation. I did not have a real chance to play with the system, but again, it was perfectly adequate. It was not a SQ or EK IFE ... but better than supposed global flag carriers such as Air France or American.

(Controls + Headset)

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(IFE System)

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(“In-flight magazines”, Boarding Passes, etc.)


e) Crew:
Outside the Gulf countries, I have usually found Arabic hospitality to be excellent. These Libyan crew members were no different ... though I was later told by a friend that the way to distinguish between Afriqiyah and Libyan Airlines crew were the former were Tunisians without headscarves and the later were Libyans with them. Any truth to that?

Either way, the crew was very sweet and genuine. At boarding, they purser walked me to my seat ... the entire meal service was done with a smile ... and the crew periodically checked on me to see if their strange white passenger was having a good flight. I felt very pampered and looked after. It truly felt like I was a guest in their house.

If their English was better, or if I spoke Arabic, I think I would probably have connected better with the crew. I could tell they were curious to see what I was doing ... but probably just did not have the "experience" to randomly talk to me like the excellent Iran Air crew I had on the BOM-IKA flight.

IV> Post-Flight:
Now here is where things got "interesting". After a smooth landing, we were taken at a very remote stand where a bunch of army officials boarded and took someone off the plane. It was very bizarre and I started feeling like I was part of a hijacking movie. Things were obviously tense for whatever reason ... anyways, as soon as I got to the terminal and was heading toward immigration, a frantic lady from Afriqiyah came running to me. She was sweating and asked if I was "Alex M". Now, I said "Yes", and she took me aside and wanted to have a "few words". I was a little weirded out but decided it was best to play along.

Now she mentioned that there was a "situation developing" in Tripoli and her advice to all incoming tourists had been to wait it out at the lounge and not go to TIP. She mentioned that the Immigration officials were not allowing anyone on tourist visas (without a Libyan travel agency) to enter the country and a bunch of foreigners were spending time in the departure lounge. If it had not been for her innocent face and genuine sense of panic, my cynical self would have thought this was an elaborate plot to get some "bakseesh". However, this was not the case. I spoke to some of the foreigners and apparently there was some kind of riots and foreigners were not being allowed in. Who would have thought that a few months later, these riots would become so much more real ...

... anyways, I explained to the lady of my transit visa situation and she got even more concerned. If I could not get out today or tomorrow, I was in Libya illegally ... something even an adventure seeker like me did not want to do. So while I was really tempted to wait this out, I asked her if there was any way I could continue to Tunisia. You could see the sadness on the eyes that I could not use my Libyan visa ... she frantically called someone on her mobile phone and started doing some insane shouting and pleading in Arabic. It was slightly nerve wracking watching all this unfold in "no man's land" just prior to entering the terminal. Anyways, after she got off the phone, she said there was some a Libyan Airlines flight bound for Tunis and she might be able to put me on. She said, "I am so sorry for this ... but can you chose." Now normally, Alex would have stayed back ... but Libya was not a country where I wanted to be an illegal ... so I said, "OK". She literally said "Come" and I followed her through this surreal process of through a few officers who all inspected my passport ("they see if Israel stamp"), had my bags scanned, and then she took me to the J class lounge. At the lounge, she said, "I run and get you ticket" ... implying boarding pass I guess. I ask her if I need to pay anything as I was now going on Libyan and did not have any ticket. In the most sweetest thing, she said, "Libya create problem for you. I solve problem for Libya and you". Aaw.

Off she went as I entered the J class lounge. It was all strange as if I was just taking another flight. While the lounge appeared "normal", it clearly was not. From the moment I stepped in, I noticed one of the guys at the door follow me ... and literally keep an eye on me. It was slightly disconcerting and I kept on reminding myself mentally that I had "survived" Congo, Somalia, Somaliland, and DPRK ... that I should not worry.

A few minutes later, the lady came to grab me. She said "flight boarding. Let us run". I thanked the lounge attendant, and then ran past the foreigners who were being "held" near the boarding gates. She took me to the gate and made sure I got on. As I was doing my security check, she profusely apologized and wrote her address down ... saying that next time, I would be a guest of hers in the country.

I think I was way too confused and boarded the Libyan flight with this weird feeling in my stomach. I did not have much time after boarding to settle in my seat and reflect on "WTF" was happening ... as soon as I started feeling strange at being again the only "white man" on board, some random guys from the army came on board with a man in a white shirt who appeared to be some kind of "leader". I am assuming he was part of the military police. Anyways, there was a bunch of commotion as some passengers from Y-class were "taken" off the plane. There was a lot of crying at the aircraft doors ... and it was all just weird because here I was sitting not understanding anything going on in Arabic and just being like ... "none of my friends will believe this one".

An hour of madness later, doors were closed, and the plane took off for Tunis. I have travelled to over 140 countries and never had I gone through something so random. A part of me questions what would have happened if I let my usual adventurous self win. Another part of me (the one who is seeing all the stuff unfold in Libya) was glad that I didn't let that part win.

The flight on Libyan after all that drama was event-less. And the stereotype of the head-scarf covering did hold true.

(Approaching Tripoli)

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(Enjoy these rare photos of Tripoli as our aircraft was taken away from the terminal for some man to be offloaded)

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V> Impressions + Scores:
This obviously did not end up being the usual trip report ... and I will not focus anymore on the extraneous "stuff". In terms of service, Afriqiyah proved to be quite a surprise. On a 3 hour flight, I was impressed by the quality of the food, the IFE, and the rather nice (albeit, reserved) crew. Their full-flat seats are great and adds to the fresh ambience of the cabin. Ground service like always can be improved in Cairo ... but, the exemplary service of this Afriqiyah agent in Tripoli just has left an irreversible mark on me. Who knows what would have happened ... all I know is she was my angel and too me as per project. Wherever she is right now, I wish and pray for her safety in Libya.

As I write this, I feel weird as I have no idea what Afriqiyah or Libya would look like. All I can say is that based on the flight, I give them a two thumps up and would look forward to flying them again ... and who knows, perhaps the next time I am actually allowed in ...



VI> Other Trip Reports:

PREMIUM:
9.27: JET AIRWAYS **FIRST** (110): LHR-BOM: 10/2010
9.27: THAI AIRWAYS **FIRST** (108): BKK-LHR: 07/2010
8.66: Brussels Airlines (93): FIH-BRU: 01/2010
8.64: Turkish Airlines (59): JFK-IST: 11/2008
8.63: Jet Airways (88): JFK-BRU: 10/2009
8.61: Air Canada (49): YYZ-SCL: 06/2008
8.54: Turkish Airlines (77): GRU-DKR-IST: 04/2009
8.36: Kingfisher (98): BOM-HKG: 01/2010
8.30: Jet Airways (74): KWI-BOM: 04/2009
8.23: United Airlines (72): SFO-SYD: 03/2009
8.11: Aeroflot (33): MOW-DEL: 09/2007
8.05: Air India (80): CCU-JFK: 06/2009
8.04: Korean Air (40): NRT-ICN: 10/2007
8.02: Delta Airlines (24): JFK-CDG: 08/2007
7.82: UNITED AIRLINES **FIRST** (110): SFO-ICN: 10/2010
7.82: Singapore Airlines (06): EWR-SIN: 09/2006
7.66: Sri Lankan (104): DEL-CMB: 07/2010
7.64: Royal Jordanian (91): AMM-YUL: 12/2009
7.61: China Southern (103): LOS-DXB: 04/2010
7.57: Pakistan Airlines (102): ORD-BCN: 06/2010
7.46: LAN (55): YYZ-JFK: 09/2008
7.38: AMERICAN AIRLINES **FIRST** (112): LHR-JFK: 10/2010
7.38: CATHAY PACIFIC **FIRST** (109): HKG-LHR: 10/2010
7.25: Iran Air (88): BOM-IKA: 12/2009
7.23: Virgin Atlantic (81): BOS-LHR: 07/2009
7.14: Swiss (52): SCL-GRU: 06/2008
7.11: Aer Lingus (105): MAD-IAD: 05/2010
7.11: Austrian (79): VIE-JFK: 06/2009
7.07: Privatair (84): BOM-FRA: 08/2009
7.02: Qatar (68): DOH-JFK: 01/2009
6.96: Etihad (61): JFK-AUH: 12/2008
6.93: Delta Airlines (18): SEA-JFK: 11/2006
6.84: ConViasa (65): CCS-DAM: 01/2009
6.82: Air Burkina (106): BKO-OUA: 06/2010
6.81: Air Canada (17): ICN-YYZ: 10/2006
6.75: Afriqiyah + Libyan (113): CAI-TIP: 11/2010
6.70: KLM (32): EBB-AMS: 08/2007
6.52: Emirates (99): LHR-DXB: 02/2010
6.39: South African (97): EZE-JNB: 01/2010
6.36: Privatair (60): MUC-BOS: 12/2008
6.29: TAM Brasil (96): POA-EZE: 02/2010
6.25: Korean Air (45): NAN-ICN: 10/2007
6.21: Iberia (87): BOS-MAD: 10/2009
6.11: A SKY (107): OUA-COO: 06/2010
6.11: TAP Portugal (53): GRU-OPO: 06/2008
6.00: Gulf Air (75): BOM-BAH: 04/2009
5.88: African Express (89): DXB-NBO: 11/2009
5.75: Singapore Airlines (16): CCU-SIN: 10/2006
5.64: SATA Azores (101): BOS-PDL: 04/2010
5.64: NorthWest (46): ICN-NRT-SEA: 10/2007
5.54: Ethiopian Airlines (95): ADD-BOM: 01/2010
5.46: Icelandair (83): KEF-BOS: 08/2009
5.39: LOT (54): WAW-JFK: 06/2008
5.21: Egypt Air (73): CAI-IST: 02/2009
5.07: TACA (66): JFK-SAP: 01/2009
4.42: Air France: CDG-JNB (25): 08/2007

ECONOMY: Long + Medium:
9.26: Air India (48): JFK-DEL: 02/2008
7.38: Avianca (01): BOG-LIM: 07/2006
7.07: Sri Lankan (62): KWI-CMB: 12/2008
7.00: LAN (94): IPC-SCL: 01/2010
6.41: Avianca (78): JFK-BOG: 05/2009
6.41: American Airlines (58): LHR-BOS: 11/2008
6.39: Condor (85): SEZ-FRA: 09/2009
6.26: Jet Blue (21): CUN-JFK: 02/2007
6.06: Air Canada (04): YYZ-YVR: 09/2006
5.89: USA 3000 (19): PUJ-BDL: 01/2007
5.85: Spanair (69): MAD-LPA: 02/2009
5.79: Air New Zealand (42): RAR-NAN: 10/2007
5.52: Aerolineas (86): USH-AEP: 10/2009
5.46: TAP Air Portugal (23): OSL-LIS: 05/2007
5.19: Air Europa (70): LPA-MAD: 02/2009
5.16: Iberia (71): MAD-BOS: 02/2009
5.11: Air China (82): FRA-PEK: 08/2009

ECONOMY: Short
8.56: Paramount Airways (38): BLR-MAA: 09/2007
8.56: Kingfisher (64): HYD-CCU: 12/2008
8.24: Kingfisher (14): IXA-GAU: 10/2006
7.87: Indian (34): BOM-MAA: 09/2007
7.72: Alliance Air (13): CCU-IXA: 10/2006
7.57: Indian Airlines (10): DEL-CCU: 09/2006
7.23: West Jet (03): YYC-YVR: 09/2006
7.15: JetLite (37): BOM-GOI: 09/2007
6.98: Air Koryo (100): PEK-FNJ: 04/2010
6.70: Spice Jet (09): CCU-DEL: 09/2006
6.63: Air Fiji (44): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.63: Jazeera (67): DAM-KWI: 01/2009
6.58: Air Tran (02): EWR-MDW: 08/2006
6.48: Air India Express (63): CMB-MAA: 12/2008
6.44: CO Micronesia (39): ROR-YAP: 10/2007
6.41: Pacific Sun (43): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.37: Skybus (47): SWF-CMH: 02/2008
6.33: Kenya Airways (29): NBO-BJM: 08/2007
6.33: Sky Europe (56): LTN-BTS: 10/2008
6.31: Indigo (15): GAU-CCU: 10/2006
6.31: easyJet (57): BUD-LTN: 11/2008
6.22: Air Link Swazi (28): MTS-JNB: 08/2007
6.22: Air India (36): HYD-BOM: 09/2007
6.13: Adam Air (07): SIN-CGK: 09/2006
6.13: Air Rarotonga (41): RAR-AIT: 10/2007
6.00: Transairways (27): INH-MPM: 08/2007
5.95: Air Canada (05): ALB-YYZ: 09/2006
5.85: SAS Norge (22): OSL-AES: 05/2007
5.81: LAM Mozambique (26): JNB-MPM: 08/2007
5.69: Air Deccan (12): IXZ-CCU: 10/2006
5.67: Rwanda Air Exp (30): KGL-NBO: 08/2007
5.37: Felix Airways (92): SCT-SAH: 12/2009
5.11: Aero Republica (76): BOG-CCS: 04/2009
5.07: Go Air (35): MAA-HYD: 09/2007
5.00: Sky Airline (51): IQQ-SCL: 06/2008
4.96: Valuair (08): CGK-SIN: 09/2006
4.78: Air Comet Chile (50): SCL-IQQ: 06/2008
4.74: Fly 540 (31): MYD-LAU: 08/2007
4.33: Viva Aerobus (20): ELP-MTY: 02/2007
4.11: Air Sahara (11): CCU-BOM: 09/2006

(Note on Codes: Y – Economy, J – Business, F – First :: I/D – International/Domestic :: SR/MR/LR – Short/Medium/Long Haul)
(Note on Date: Dates are modified to be +/- 3 days from actual flight date to not reveal actual flight pattern)

VII> Other Pictures:

(Drama after arrival - as mentioned, I was taken to the Business Lounge)

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(With interesting bathroom)

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(And then rushed through the airport)

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(And empty corridors)

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(Where time had stood still)

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(On board my Libyan 320, I see a familiar face)

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(But, more drama and people being take off the plane)

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(This lady was VERY worried)

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(Got off the ground ... started reflecting ... but had to take a picture of my legs)

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(Libyan 320)

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(Food enroute)

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(Yummy baklava)

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(Damn ... should have stolen these cups!)

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(And finally, I leave you with the picture that left the most mark on me at TIP airport ...)


[Edited 2011-04-03 10:11:24]
Live, and let live.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah + Libyan 8U 431: NOV/10: CAI-TIP+: J Cab

Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:19 pm

Hi Alex,

what a great report. I can imagine how you feel after completing this trip and the current situations in the region.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I tried to buy the ticket on Afriqiyah's own website at http://www.afriqiyah.aero/ - which is actually surprisingly good and actually let me go all the way - before (like many other "exotic" airlines) - it faced its mortal enemy - a foreign credit card.

Interesting. Maybe that's why most Dutch people buy (or bought) their tickets on 8U via touroperators. The airline offers fares to South Africa (via TIP) for under 400 euro sometimes. No wonder why the flight which crashed was full of Dutch citizen. Did you remember that recent accident when you stepped on board the A330 since her sister aircraft was involved?  

I must say, I am very impressed by the airline. I like the seats, although the cloth cover makes me think about the army. Especially in these days  
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I ask her if I need to pay anything as I was now going on Libyan and did not have any ticket. In the most sweetest thing, she said, "Libya create problem for you. I solve problem for Libya and you". Aaw.

That's what I call attentive airline staff. Somebody must have checked the incoming passenger list carefully to notice you and make these arrangements. This is quality passenger handling, despite the panic/nerves that came with the situation, she handled it very professionally.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
A part of me questions what would have happened if I let my usual adventurous self win. Another part of me (the one who is seeing all the stuff unfold in Libya) was glad that I didn't let that part win.

I think you made the only right decision here. It's not without a reason that the groundstaff took so much care for you on arrival...

Keep up the good work and I am really looking forward to more of your adventures!

Eric
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
 
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RE: Afriqiyah + Libyan 8U 431: NOV/10: CAI-TIP+: J Cab

Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:28 pm

Alex,

You have really outdone yourself. This trip report is a gem and I am sure many here (including me) will be seeing Libya and airlines of Libya for the first time. I am surprised by the level of service on Afriqiyah and having met several Libyans am not surprised at all. I agree with you that Libyans, Algerians, and Tunisians are just such warm hospitable people. The only ones that get on my nerves are the ones that live in Dubai and Abudhabi  . But that is probably a factor of those places!

There are a lot of good writers here, but no one that has the true passion and dedication to see the world. Thank you really. You really are an inspiration and a true traveller.

BTW, I wonder if your detailed pictures of Tripoli airport will be used by the NATO forces.
 
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Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:33 pm

Hi Alex,

what am unexpected amazing report, definitely one of the most enjoyable ones you've ever posted! Bad to hear about the situation at TIP, all sounded like a plot in a movie.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Unmarked 737's - any clue who these belong to?

No chance to identify a white 737 without registration.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Who is this?

That seems to be VP-CKH, an A318 Elite operated by National Air Services for Saudi entrepreneur Hamza Al-Kholi.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Good looking seat

Uh, I don't know...

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
And finally, I leave you with the picture that left the most mark on me at TIP airport ...

Well, who knows how long this picture will be kept there? And I'm wondering what will happen to the Libyan carriers and their fleets.


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Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:27 pm

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 1):
what a great report. I can imagine how you feel after completing this trip and the current situations in the region.

= Thanks Eric. Sometimes life just a weird way of telling you to live each moment because you never know what the following day brings. Very trite I know to say - but does not make it less true.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 1):

Interesting. Maybe that's why most Dutch people buy (or bought) their tickets on 8U via touroperators. The airline offers fares to South Africa (via TIP) for under 400 euro sometimes. No wonder why the flight which crashed was full of Dutch citizen. Did you remember that recent accident when you stepped on board the A330 since her sister aircraft was involved?

= Ya. I remember. More than for myself my thought was about the crew. You know, being such a small airline, how did they feel working on the same aircraft that their loved ones had perished in?

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 1):

I must say, I am very impressed by the airline. I like the seats, although the cloth cover makes me think about the army. Especially in these days

= Hmm ... I did not think of it like this ...

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 1):

That's what I call attentive airline staff. Somebody must have checked the incoming passenger list carefully to notice you and make these arrangements. This is quality passenger handling, despite the panic/nerves that came with the situation, she handled it very professionally.

= Attentive service with a genuine belief in my well-being. There was a level of hospitality that just moved me.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 1):

I think you made the only right decision here. It's not without a reason that the groundstaff took so much care for you on arrival...

= Thanks Eric. I go back and forth on whether I just chickened ... but Libya (rather, Gaddafi) is one of the few countries where I find my personal safety a little ambiguous.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 1):


Keep up the good work and I am really looking forward to more of your adventures!

= Thanks so much. The next one will be an adventure as well ...

Quoting kiramakora (Reply 2):

There are a lot of good writers here, but no one that has the true passion and dedication to see the world. Thank you really. You really are an inspiration and a true traveller.

= Thanks AD.

Quoting kiramakora (Reply 2):
BTW, I wonder if your detailed pictures of Tripoli airport will be used by the NATO forces.

= Great. Now I have all these random thoughts. Uugh.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):


what am unexpected amazing report, definitely one of the most enjoyable ones you've ever posted! Bad to hear about the situation at TIP, all sounded like a plot in a movie.

= It felt like a movie plot when I was being rushed through the airport confused ... not speaking the language made it a tad unsettling. And now watching everything on the TV made the entire stuff even more surreal.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
No chance to identify a white 737 without registration.

= Haha ... the moment this plane went away, I thought that this is exactly what PH would say  . Haha.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):

That seems to be VP-CKH, an A318 Elite operated by National Air Services for Saudi entrepreneur Hamza Al-Kholi.

= Hmm. I wonder what it was doing in CAI. What does this entrepreneur do?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
Uh, I don't know...

= Ya ... I can see how it might not be to everyone's taste - but I liked it.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):

Well, who knows how long this picture will be kept there? And I'm wondering what will happen to the Libyan carriers and their fleets.

= I wonder how many of the aircraft I took pictures of still exist ...

Saludos, and thanks for reading this report -
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Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:58 pm

Hi Alex,

wow, what a report. Certainly something special to read a report about Afriqiyah and about Lybia, especially in the light of the things that are going on now there.

I am quite impressed about how the staff handled your situation and got you on another flight so quickly. Amazing how you were still being able to take pictures in a situation like this. I think you made the right decision by leaving the country again, better not to take any chances.

Thanks very much for this exceptional report.
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Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:26 pm

Hi Alex,

I have to admit that the two parts of you make all your reports successful, moving and very entertaining to read. This one is no exception.

What intrigues me most is the Libyan ground staff in who was genuinely worried about your well-being and went all the way to sort things out. The moving part is when she jotted down her address in case you come for a visit again in the future. A pure service straight from the heart, as you beautifully put into words. First AI, then IR and now this. I do hope she will be alright and wish her the best.

Like Eric and CaptainRed have said, you made the right decision for not staying in Libya. At least not that time. I am sure there will be a next time.

Thank you for sharing this wonderful report and being a great inspiration.

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Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:36 pm

Terrific report; even by your very high standards, a landmark report. Hugely enjoyable.

Have you heard any news from TIP about whether the airport itself was hit in the bombing raids?
 
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Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:54 pm

You should have gone to Libya with your Venezuelan passport. They have good relations.

1. You remind me of Mr. Bond, Mr. James Bond 007.
2. I am shocked that it takes 3 hours to fly to Tripoli from Cairo.
3. How long is the flight to Tunis?

This report gave me the creeps. Fantastic. Thank you for the entertainment.
 
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Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:59 pm

Alex,

Unbelievable trip report. It's amazing how fluid and unexpected situations can become when one travels abroad. I remember when I lived in Spain and was visiting Palma de Mallorca, ETA detonated a bomb in one of the tourist areas and there was a lot of confusion on the island which resulted in missing my flight.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I ask her if I need to pay anything as I was now going on Libyan and did not have any ticket. In the most sweetest thing, she said, "Libya create problem for you. I solve problem for Libya and you". Aaw.
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
she profusely apologized and wrote her address down ... saying that next time, I would be a guest of hers in the country.

She is an incredible person. This goes way beyond being a good employee... she is obviously a genuinely honorable, gracious person. How she transcended her own concerns to make sure your safety was most important is beyond me. Kudos to her.

Thanks again!

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Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:28 pm

Alex you are one crazy man!! With all that happening on board the aircraft, you were still debating on whether to stay or not? lol. Great report on an airline not seen here too often.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Outside the Gulf countries, I have usually found Arabic hospitality to be excellent. These Libyan crew members were no different ... though I was later told by a friend that the way to distinguish between Afriqiyah and Libyan Airlines crew were the former were Tunisians without headscarves and the later were Libyans with them. Any truth to that?

Either way, the crew was very sweet and genuine. At boarding, they purser walked me to my seat ... the entire meal service was done with a smile ... and the crew periodically checked on me to see if their strange white passenger was having a good flight. I felt very pampered and looked after. It truly felt like I was a guest in their house.

If their English was better, or if I spoke Arabic, I think I would probably have connected better with the crew. I could tell they were curious to see what I was doing ... but probably just did not have the "experience" to randomly talk to me like the excellent Iran Air crew I had on the BOM-IKA flight.

Isn't it amazing how the crews on these and other carriers, not in the same league as the other so called "mega carriers" out there, actually provide service from the heart, and you come away giving them such nice high scores

 
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The green seats are very well maintained and I actually like the overall vibe I got from the inside. Moreover, perhaps because green is not an often used color, the interior looked fresh and different.

Very funky seats!!
 
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Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:47 pm

Wow, that was some trip report! Lucky you managed to get through Libya unscathed, and nice for the Libyan State to pay for a free business class ticket from TIP-TUN! Service on Afriqiyah looks good (nice colours inside and out).
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Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:49 pm

You are one lucky guy.
Thanks to your angel you really escaped hard time in Libya, if in CAI they never heard of Liechtenstein trust me in Libya it would have been 10 worst. Those secret service people are terrible stubborn and really on the ignorant side. We would have been very sad to loose you for a time.
Having said that i am as surprised as you are with your experience on Afriqiyah. Good for them, hope after the end of the problems in Libya that they will be back as good.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
At the end of November 2011


2011?

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Looking back, I feel like I visited East Germany before the Wall fell ... or Soviet Union during collapse.


Lets hope in Egypt this is the case.
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:19 am

Absolutely fascinating... Well done!
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:14 am

Hi Alex,

Your TR is great, I keep reading and hope it will not end  

As someone commented earlier, may be you can get into Libya with your Venezuela passport.

Such a nice J class and very surprise with their products and services. The Green Seat is may be the special requested of Mr. Gadafi? He loves Green, i beleive  

Noticing the 8U has a stripe near the front door of the plane, why your plane does not have it? They change the livery lately?

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Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:21 am

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(Madness and confusion @ CAI gates - this is pretty normal)

Looks like LHR but with higher ceilings  
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
At the end of November 2011

So you're saying that you've time traveled?  
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(Good looking seat)

It looks great, very exotic and unique. But I'm pretty sure not every passenger would like the color...

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
On Ground: I wish I had taken one of these glasses)

Looks like a logo from a 99 Cents Store  
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(IFE System)

Nice!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I run and get you ticket" ... implying boarding pass I guess. I ask her if I need to pay anything as I was now going on Libyan and did not have any ticket. In the most sweetest thing, she said, "Libya create problem for you. I solve problem for Libya and you". Aaw.

How nice of her!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
It was slightly disconcerting and I kept on reminding myself mentally that I had "survived" Congo, Somalia, Somaliland, and DPRK ... that I should not worry.

YOU SIR, ARE AWESOME.  
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
A few minutes later, the lady came to grab me. She said "flight boarding. Let us run". I thanked the lounge attendant, and then ran past the foreigners who were being "held" near the boarding gates. She took me to the gate and made sure I got on. As I was doing my security check, she profusely apologized and wrote her address down ... saying that next time, I would be a guest of hers in the country.

Wow. It's nice to know that she went above and beyond her call of duty and she even placed in you in J class  


That was an amazing TR, as usual. Very unique and exotic. It seems like a very memorable experience!
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:51 am

My goodness, you have been through some excitement and I am glad that you safely emerged from it. Full marks to the Libyan employee who helped you out of what could have been a very "tricky" situation. It is a shame that you weren't able to see anything of Libya as the people are (normally) very hospitable and there is much of interest to see.

I had to chuckle when reading your description of the mass and confusion that is CAI. There is always something odd that happens there: planes without fuel; FID in departures showing arrivals; or being invited to board only to find the door to the jet-bridge locked and no-one has the key. Only in CAI. It is a great place!

As others have commented the service appears to have been good and the meal looks appetising. I would deduct one point for the plastic spoon with the coffee, though.  


Thanks for sharing this experience with us.
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:51 am

Wow, quite a trip, and yes, in hindsight you may have witnessed the beginnings of everything that's happening now in Libya.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
At the end of November 2011

I still think you took your vacation at the end of November 2010, not 2011.  
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:43 am

Wow...glad you made it in/out of TIP o.k.!

Thanks for sharing!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(On Ground: I wish I had taken one of these glasses)
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(Damn ... should have stolen these cups!)

Have you learned nothing? You should always *LIBERATE* airline stuff!!! It dreams of being free and seeing the world outside of the aircraft!
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:44 am

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 5):
wow, what a report. Certainly something special to read a report about Afriqiyah and about Lybia, especially in the light of the things that are going on now there.

= Yup. It is one of those things where when you are doing it, you'd never think of the significance afterwards.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 5):
I am quite impressed about how the staff handled your situation and got you on another flight so quickly. Amazing how you were still being able to take pictures in a situation like this. I think you made the right decision by leaving the country again, better not to take any chances.

= Ya - the more I think of it, the more I think everyone is right. Well, I am one of those people who just click away to glory and act calm and then am told to do otherwise and oblige. I also just take risks ...

Quoting akhmad (Reply 6):
I have to admit that the two parts of you make all your reports successful, moving and very entertaining to read. This one is no exception.

= Aaw. Thanks mate.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 6):
What intrigues me most is the Libyan ground staff in who was genuinely worried about your well-being and went all the way to sort things out. The moving part is when she jotted down her address in case you come for a visit again in the future. A pure service straight from the heart, as you beautifully put into words. First AI, then IR and now this. I do hope she will be alright and wish her the best.

= You know - it restores your faith in humanity - and the ability of strangers to go beyond their call of duty to help each other.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 6):
Like Eric and CaptainRed have said, you made the right decision for not staying in Libya. At least not that time. I am sure there will be a next time.

= I hope so ...

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):

Terrific report; even by your very high standards, a landmark report. Hugely enjoyable.

= Thank you.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
Have you heard any news from AND Tripoli - International (Tarrabalus / Idris International) (TIP / HLLT), Libya">TIP about whether the airport itself was hit in the bombing raids?

= No. As I was thinking, I wonder if any of the aircraft pictured got destroyed.

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 8):
You should have gone to Libya with your Venezuelan passport. They have good relations.

= Yes - but I would still need a visa - AND the VZ passport has an Israeli stamp. So, I can only enter with Liechtenstein for now.

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 8):
1. You remind me of Mr. Bond, Mr. James Bond 007.
2. I am shocked that it takes 3 hours to fly to Tripoli from Cairo.
3. How long is the flight to Tunis?

= Haha. Thanks - wish my life was indeed that glamor-filled. AND Tripoli - International (Tarrabalus / Idris International) (TIP / HLLT), Libya">TIP TUN is like 1,30.

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 8):
This report gave me the creeps. Fantastic. Thank you for the entertainment.

= Glad I could provide you some!

Quoting WhereToNext (Reply 9):
I remember when I lived in Spain and was visiting Palma de Mallorca, ETA detonated a bomb in one of the tourist areas and there was a lot of confusion on the island which resulted in missing my flight.

= Scary isn't it.

Quoting WhereToNext (Reply 9):
She is an incredible person. This goes way beyond being a good employee... she is obviously a genuinely honorable, gracious person. How she transcended her own concerns to make sure your safety was most important is beyond me. Kudos to her.

= Yup.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 10):
With all that happening on board the aircraft, you were still debating on whether to stay or not? lol. Great report on an airline not seen here too often.

= Well. You know - living in Latin America, I see so many of the "elite" folks completely devoid of reality and living in their fenced off houses. When fear gets irrational, you stop living. The question for me was whether I should really be fearful, or if it was all in my head.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 10):
Isn't it amazing how the crews on these and other carriers, not in the same league as the other so called "mega carriers" out there, actually provide service from the heart, and you come away giving them such nice high scores

 

= I was never into "labels"   ... good service must be recognized irrespective of where it originates from ... and I find some of the flashy "5 star airlines" highly overrated.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 11):
Libya unscathed, and nice for the Libyan State to pay for a free business class ticket from AND Tripoli - International (Tarrabalus / Idris International) (TIP / HLLT), Libya">TIP-TUN! Service on Afriqiyah looks good (nice colours inside and out).

= Technically, I had got a J ticket on 8U on the same segment AND Tripoli - International (Tarrabalus / Idris International) (TIP / HLLT), Libya">TIP - TUN ... and since both airlines have the same owner, it wasn't really free  .

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 12):
if in CAI they never heard of Liechtenstein trust me in Libya it would have been 10 worst. Those secret service people are terrible stubborn and really on the ignorant side. We would have been very sad to loose you for a time.

= Thanks man. I am glad people here would miss me   ... and, thanks for the creeps ...

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 12):
2011?

= Maybe sub-consciously I plan on returning ...

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 12):
Lets hope in Egypt this is the case.

= Hope so.

Quoting Camohe (Reply 13):
Absolutely fascinating... Well done!

= Thanks.

Quoting vietsky (Reply 14):
Your TR is great, I keep reading and hope it will not end  

= Thanks.

Quoting vietsky (Reply 14):
As someone commented earlier, may be you can get into Libya with your Venezuela passport.

= Ya - Israeli stamp, bla bla bla.

Quoting vietsky (Reply 14):
He loves Green, i beleive  

= Haha. Yup.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 15):

So you're saying that you've time traveled?  

=   .. felt like it.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 15):

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
It was slightly disconcerting and I kept on reminding myself mentally that I had "survived" Congo, Somalia, Somaliland, and DPRK ... that I should not worry.

YOU SIR, ARE AWESOME.  

= Thanks my friend.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 16):
My goodness, you have been through some excitement and I am glad that you safely emerged from it. Full marks to the Libyan employee who helped you out of what could have been a very "tricky" situation. It is a shame that you weren't able to see anything of Libya as the people are (normally) very hospitable and there is much of interest to see.

= Well, hope to do it in 2011 ...

Quoting Quokka (Reply 16):

I had to chuckle when reading your description of the mass and confusion that is CAI. There is always something odd that happens there: planes without fuel; FID in departures showing arrivals; or being invited to board only to find the door to the jet-bridge locked and no-one has the key. Only in CAI. It is a great place!

= Cairo ... it really is something.

Quoting beowulf (Reply 17):
still think you took your vacation at the end of November 2010, not 2011.  

= You may be on to something here   ...

Thanks a lot for reading everyone.

Saludos,
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:12 am

Amazing TR... Well done!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
and bring you a series of rather "exotic" reports which I hope you will like.

Looking fwd., can't wait to read more...
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:15 am

I really have nothing else to say, except that I started out expecting an interesting trip report and finished with a very, very interesting story. Who even knows what could've happened if timing was different by just a few minutes, or if that agent hadn't met you, or if some security forces did...

Definitely food for thought next time I'm on a boring domestic flight here in the USA.  

We're all glad you're safe Alex! Keep up the good work, but how 'bout somewhere just a little safer next time!
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:32 pm

Hi Alex,

No comments about your sense of adventure and the quality of this report, everything has been written before.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
bring you a series of rather "exotic" reports which I hope you will like.

What a question? those are unique and the best.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I have travelled to over 140 countries

i was wondering about this stats recently, once completed the 192, travelling will be less interresting for you...  
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(But, more drama and people being take off the plane)

hey man, what came to your mind to snap those officials? what happened if you were being caught?


many thanks, and as usual looking forward for the next story   


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Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:26 pm

Hey Alex,

Wow - this is one crazy TR. I really enjoyed your detailed account on what happened - what an experience.

I was in Cairo a couple of days before the protests began, so I can see where you are coming from in much of this report.

Thanks for a great read.

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Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:00 pm

Hi Alex,

I saw the title of this report and kept thinking that not even you would be so foolhardy as to venture between two of the hotspots of the uprising going on in North Africa right now, but then I saw the date and realized that this was somewhat before. Still it sounds like you managed to get your share of action and am very glad you got the hell out of Dodge City before anything bad happened.

Afriqyah looks very nice on all fronts, and the meal on Libyan isn't bad either. Let's see what comes out of these airlines once the turmoil is over, we might see some interesting developments.

That agent at TIP sure was an angel, a true ambassador for the real people of her country and the famous Arab hospitality. Hope you can catch up with her again somewhere, someday...

Keep the interesting stuff coming!
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:46 pm

Hi Alex!

Amazing report and glad you made it out of Libya when you did......

That said, Afriqyah looks pretty good, especially for a 3hour flight.

Too bad you didn't keep the glasses as souvenirs.....

I wonder if those aircraft are still there at TIP ?

It must have been very tense seeing people being taken off the aircraft........

Thanks for posting this VERY interesting report!

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Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:58 am

Quoting debonair (Reply 20):

Looking fwd., can't wait to read more...

= Should get around to something this weekend ... let's see. I am back on the road for work soon so becoming harder again.

Quoting Thule (Reply 21):
I really have nothing else to say, except that I started out expecting an interesting trip report and finished with a very, very interesting story. Who even knows what could've happened if timing was different by just a few minutes, or if that agent hadn't met you, or if some security forces did...

= Ya - but you know what, nothing happened so life is good  .

Quoting Thule (Reply 21):
We're all glad you're safe Alex! Keep up the good work, but how 'bout somewhere just a little safer next time!

= Um. I think that will be hard with me. I *really* want to go to Libya this year - and the other country top on my list is Equatorial Guinea.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 22):
No comments about your sense of adventure and the quality of this report, everything has been written before.

= Haha. Thanks. I have some more reports from your favorite Continent in the "queue".

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 22):
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
bring you a series of rather "exotic" reports which I hope you will like.

What a question? those are unique and the best.

= Thanks. Ya, to be honest, I was getting a bit tired of those F reports and am not gonna write a bunch of them as planned.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 22):
i was wondering about this stats recently, once completed the 192, travelling will be less interresting for you...  

= The world is big enough that I can go back to places ... and there is like 12 countries I could keep going back to each week!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 22):
hey man, what came to your mind to snap those officials? what happened if you were being caught?

= I am kinda crazy like that ... in case you have not figured out. I do think though experience teaches you when to push boundaries, and when to STFU.

Quoting globetraveller (Reply 23):
I was in Cairo a couple of days before the protests began, so I can see where you are coming from in much of this report.

= Scary isn't it ...

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
I saw the title of this report and kept thinking that not even you would be so foolhardy as to venture between two of the hotspots of the uprising going on in North Africa right now, but then I saw the date and realized that this was somewhat before. Still it sounds like you managed to get your share of action and am very glad you got the hell out of Dodge City before anything bad happened.

= Well ... as my next report will indicate, it was close. BTW, you @ HEL? I have plans for a week of vaca in Suomi.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 24):
That agent at TIP sure was an angel, a true ambassador for the real people of her country and the famous Arab hospitality. Hope you can catch up with her again somewhere, someday...

= Isn't it amazing that the best hospitality comes from the most unexpected corners? I have her address ... though, her mobile number does not work  .

Quoting The777Man (Reply 25):

Amazing report and glad you made it out of Libya when you did......

= Yup.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 25):
It must have been very tense seeing people being taken off the aircraft........

= I think the hardest and most nerve wracking part was not understanding Arabic and what was going on.

Thanks again for all the comments and positive words. It encourages me to write more reports for sure.

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Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:00 pm

Alex,

Great report, amazing the 'issues' were being felt so far ahead of the uprising, nice the people were looking out for the foreigners, shows the true warmth and hospitality of the real people.

Interesting seat colour on 8U for sure, love their color scheme though, pretty cool.

I'd not realised 8U & LN were dry airlines, don't thnomk I could love with that on a long flight!

Thanks for sharing, a most enjoyable report with a different slant.

Cheers

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Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:32 pm

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 26):
STFU

???  
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 26):
I have some more reports from your favorite Continent in the "queue"

Seriously, can't wait for it  
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 26):
there is like 12 countries

what is the top 3?
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Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:44 pm

Hi Alex,

absolutely incredible report. Although I love to travel off the beaten path, what happened to you is quite surreal.
I mean, it's absolutely crazy to read this. Now, being caught in the situation, not being able to actually realize why this is going on makes it even worse, and I can imagine once you sat on this Lybian aircraft just a few hours after landing you didn't knew what was going on. This lady took very good care of you and as said before it was for sure the right decision.

Crazy to read about those people taking out passengers from the planes. i can imagine this is quite usual there, even in "normal" times?

I am wondering what will happen to the Lybian carrier. As you may know IATA was forced to suspend them from the BSP, not sure about the reasons, but I guess this is due to some lybian bank account freezing things... Basically at this time no travel agency can issue and sell Lybian carrier air tickets (unless you book directly with the airline or if you find an agency that books and settles the ticket costs directly with the airline)... Not sure if they're flying anyway at this time.

I remember them flying to DUS and offer a inaugural fare for way under 300 EUR return from DUS to South Africa. I read a few trip reports on german aviation communities and apparently all said the product was nice - while transit in TIP was dreadful.

Interesting to see that "in a normal situation" it's rather easy to get a transit visa for Lybia with no invitation, was it difficult to sort this out and may I ask how much it did cost? Sometimes I realize that the "official rules" aren't that bad. A few of my friends any myself went to Belarus a few month ago to follow our favourite soccer team and while the rules to get a visa were quite hard actually they don't even cared about proof of transportation (we bought train tickets on the spot), hotel confirmations or even invitation letters as long as we paid the fee... That said I need to write a report about that one.

I'm getting off topic. Once again thanks a lot for sharing. While all your reports are different every time, exciting and interesting, this one was definitely special. Can't wait to read your next "regular" trip report anyway.
 
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Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 27):
Great report, amazing the 'issues' were being felt so far ahead of the uprising, nice the people were looking out for the foreigners, shows the true warmth and hospitality of the real people.

= Thanks Mark. You know - time and again, I am reminded that people all around the world are usually nice and out to look after you. In my case, these happen when I get cynical ... and situations like these continue to reinforce faith in humanity and the need to rise above pettiness. Seems trite writing it ... but when I reflect back on her true generosity, it is just uplifting. The more I reckon, she did not need to pull and warn me.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 27):
I'd not realised 8U & LN were dry airlines, don't thnomk I could love with that on a long flight!

= Agreed. We need our champers!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 28):
???  

= Haha. Google it  
Quoting reifel (Reply 29):
I mean, it's absolutely crazy to read this. Now, being caught in the situation, not being able to actually realize why this is going on makes it even worse, and I can imagine once you sat on this Lybian aircraft just a few hours after landing you didn't knew what was going on. This lady took very good care of you and as said before it was for sure the right decision.

= Thing is - I really still don't know what happened.

Quoting reifel (Reply 29):

I am wondering what will happen to the Lybian carrier. As you may know IATA was forced to suspend them from the BSP, not sure about the reasons, but I guess this is due to some lybian bank account freezing things... Basically at this time no travel agency can issue and sell Lybian carrier air tickets (unless you book directly with the airline or if you find an agency that books and settles the ticket costs directly with the airline)... Not sure if they're flying anyway at this time.

= I don't think you can buy a ticket on them - besides, with the no-fly-zone, I don't think they can fly. Are there aircraft stranded outside Libya?

Quoting reifel (Reply 29):
I read a few trip reports on german aviation communities and apparently all said the product was nice - while transit in TIP was dreadful.

= I was dreading TIP arrival - and then all this niceness happens. It is weird how we should always read as much as we can, and then dive into experiences with an open mind.

Quoting reifel (Reply 29):
nteresting to see that "in a normal situation" it's rather easy to get a transit visa for Lybia with no invitation, was it difficult to sort this out and may I ask how much it did cost? Sometimes I realize that the "official rules" aren't that bad. A few of my friends any myself went to Belarus a few month ago to follow our favourite soccer team and while the rules to get a visa were quite hard actually they don't even cared about proof of transportation (we bought train tickets on the spot), hotel confirmations or even invitation letters as long as we paid the fee... That said I need to write a report about that one.

= Rules in so many countries are just "suggestions"  . Looking forward to that TR!

Quoting reifel (Reply 29):
While all your reports are different every time, exciting and interesting, this one was definitely special. Can't wait to read your next "regular" trip report anyway.

= I promise you some more "exotic" countries and routings before settling in.

Thanks so much for reading. All your comments really make me happy and taking that extra picture to share so worth it. I really am humbled.

Saludos,
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:11 pm

Hi Alex, what an interesting report! Amazing that the lady got you onto the flight to Tunisia for free!

Thanks for sharing and regards,

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Amazing report as usual, in particular the photos from the Tripoli tarmac. A great read, thanks!
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:26 am

Ah you ... -) ...

Through this report we can see the whole tragedy of human existence ...


Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
When fear gets irrational, you stop living. The question for me was whether I should really be fearful, or if it was all in my head.

... heheheh human beings and their behaviors ... This is for the debate but not for airlines.net

Back to topic ... Afriqiyah have a unique branding much better than the EI green theme ...plus a good story behind the name and symbol ... good material for marketing ...

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Perhaps some of our frequent LAN or Air India travelers can clarify, but this appeared as the identical seat to LAN/Air India?

...not frequent on LA or AI but I am very interested in airlines interior (branding ,service) and follow everything what happens in this area so ...

Sicma aero seat - model Majesty - Afriqiya , LAN , SAA even the EK Skycruiser first class seat has the same platform
Aviointeriors.it - model Perseus - Air India

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Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:53 am

Hi Alex,

Great TR, well detailed. Thanks for sharing.

That North African area looks very interesting and it's a good thing that you've covered it because I doubt I'll be around that area for a very long time!



Hahaha, look at that guy - his arms are UNDERNEATH the seatbelt..! I've never seen that before in my life.. Ever! And I guess some people have never grasped the concept that these seats recline and have a footrest..


The meal doesn't seem too bad for a 3 hr flight and everything else seems quite ok!

Woah, what a situation in Tripoli.. That must have been scary. Kudos to the ground staff in being able to get you on the flight out of there. You can't really do much but feel sorry for them having to remain there in this turmoil.


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Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:02 am

What an experience, and truly one that you will never forget. I'm sure it was disappointing and unnerving to be denied entry into TIP, but you definitely witnessed history unfolding, long before anyone really knew of any serious issues in Libya.

Despite the ground handling in CAI, 8U actually seems quite a nice airline. Their A330 looks fantastic, and it seems that the crew treated you well. It's also very fortunate that you were helped by such a nice lady on the ground in TIP. Your experience could have been very different, had the person been unhelpful and unsympathetic.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I did not have much time after boarding to settle in my seat and reflect on "WTF" was happening ... as soon as I started feeling strange at being again the only "white man" on board, some random guys from the army came on board with a man in a white shirt who appeared to be some kind of "leader". I am assuming he was part of the military police. Anyways, there was a bunch of commotion as some passengers from Y-class were "taken" off the plane. There was a lot of crying at the aircraft doors ... and it was all just weird because here I was sitting not understanding anything going on in Arabic and just being like ... "none of my friends will believe this one".

Wow, this is just surreal.

Glad you made it through TIP in one piece, this TR is hands down the most interesting on A.NET.
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:56 pm

Amazing TR! The best one yet IMO. How often can we get the report from a real witness of history changing? I hardly ever comment on your TR's (or any other), but I have read all of them, and this one was like reading a novel  
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
My friends feel weird because I had returned from Yemen three days before "civil war" broke out, and "escaped" from Iraq a day before the U.S. led invasion of 2003.

Please don't come back to Buenos Aires (chiste!!) lol!
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Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:57 am

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 31):
Hi Alex, what an interesting report! Amazing that the lady got you onto the flight to Tunisia for free!

Thanks for sharing and regards,

Martijn

= Martijn - thanks for stopping by - well, as I mentioned, I did have a ticket on 8U to Tunis - and since both are government owned airlines, I guess I just was an accounting line item transfer  .

Quoting NDiesel (Reply 32):


Amazing report as usual, in particular the photos from the Tripoli tarmac. A great read, thanks!

= Glad you enjoyed.

Quoting stipica (Reply 33):
Ah you ... -) ...

= Haha ... yes, me.

Quoting stipica (Reply 33):
...not frequent on LA or AI but I am very interested in airlines interior (branding ,service) and follow everything what happens in this area so ...

= Curious on this - do you work in this part of the aviation industry?

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 34):
That North African area looks very interesting and it's a good thing that you've covered it because I doubt I'll be around that area for a very long time!

= Oh come on Nicholas ... you must visit!

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 34):
The meal doesn't seem too bad for a 3 hr flight and everything else seems quite ok!

= 8U definitely exceeded expectations.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 35):
I'm sure it was disappointing and unnerving to be denied entry into TIP, but you definitely witnessed history unfolding, long before anyone really knew of any serious issues in Libya.

= Ya - and now more than ever, I want to go back.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 35):
Their A330 looks fantastic, and it seems that the crew treated you well. It's also very fortunate that you were helped by such a nice lady on the ground in TIP. Your experience could have been very different, had the person been unhelpful and unsympathetic.
Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 35):


= Agreed.

Glad you made it through TIP in one piece, this TR is hands down the most interesting on A.NET.

= Thanks man. Way too kind.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 36):
Amazing TR! The best one yet IMO. How often can we get the report from a real witness of history changing? I hardly ever comment on your TR's (or any other), but I have read all of them, and this one was like reading a novel

= Thanks.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 36):
Please don't come back to Buenos Aires (chiste!!) lol!

= Haha ... you are not the first one to tell me this   ... though, some of my Argentinean friends would love me to visit if it "topped" Cristina  .

Saludos,
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Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:51 am

Interesting report Alex!

What a weird feeling it must be to know that you visited all those countries which are/were in a crisis around the same time you visited them.

Great insight on Afriqiyah and Libyan Airlines.

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Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:15 pm

Such an interesting trip report, albeit tinged with sadness. I only recognised those beautiful green seats from the pictures of the A330 that crashed. And now we have the despicable situation in Libya. The woman who helped was such a great ambassador and human being. I wonder what the future holds in store for this potentially amazing airline.
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Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 37):
= Haha ... you are not the first one to tell me this ... though, some of my Argentinean friends would love me to visit if it "topped" Cristina .

good point ... when are you flying over here again? 
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Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:15 pm

Alex...all I can say is just...wow...I mean...wow...

I've been lurking and following your TRs for heaven knows how long but haven't replied to most of them yet you've had the graciousness to respond to mine. But to have experienced all that and for me to not say a word after reading this doesn't seem right anymore! So I'll say it now: thank you for sharing in detail all your trip experiences...and in particular this one.

I'm glad to hear that you're alright and, as always, I will be looking for future installments!
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Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:41 pm

Hi Alex

Thanks for such a great report! Lybian looks like a decent airline with quite good hardware. Quite surprising as I expected them to be a bit more dated, perhaps like SV.

And thanks for sharing the hair-raising part of your journey at TIP. I must say even I got very tense while reading it! You're lucky that you managed to make the right decision and get out.

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Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 37):
Quoting stipica (Reply 33):
...not frequent on LA or AI but I am very interested in airlines interior (branding ,service) and follow everything what happens in this area so ...

= Curious on this - do you work in this part of the aviation industry?

... unfortunately not ... branding is just something that connects two strong loves airplanes and architecture and through service the many social norms are visible ... but you know this better than me ... and this is another theme that is associated with my profession ... good luck ... Stipica
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Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 40):
good point ... when are you flying over here again?

= Haha - do you want La Familia to go way? I might be in Buenos Aires at the end of the year - am gonna take some time this year to do an Arctic hike ...

Quoting N751PR (Reply 41):
Alex...all I can say is just...wow...I mean...wow...

= Thank you so much.

Quoting N751PR (Reply 41):

I've been lurking and following your TRs for heaven knows how long but haven't replied to most of them yet you've had the graciousness to respond to mine. But to have experienced all that and for me to not say a word after reading this doesn't seem right anymore! So I'll say it now: thank you for sharing in detail all your trip experiences...and in particular this one.

= Again, thank you. Very graciously appreciated.

Quoting Coal (Reply 42):
Quite surprising as I expected them to be a bit more dated, perhaps like SV.

= I felt that LN was more SV like.

Quoting stipica (Reply 43):

... unfortunately not ... branding is just something that connects two strong loves airplanes and architecture and through service the many social norms are visible ... but you know this better than me ... and this is another theme that is associated with my profession ... good luck ... Stipica

= Cool. Thanks. BTW, where are you in Crotia? I am going to be in Zagreb for work (perhaps) in October.

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Mon May 09, 2011 10:54 pm

Hi A. ! ... Is this preparation for airliners.net meeting ... Are you kidding me ... i will come in Caracas if you have time for a drink ... Living between ZAG SPU LJU so no problem for me just drop a message 10 days in advance ... Stipica
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Tue May 10, 2011 4:47 am

I don't usually leave that many comments here but I have followed your TRs for a very long time , some of my favorites being the IR ones which always make me feel extremely nostalgic, and I must say this was one of the most chilling stories I have ever read and I had to leave a comment.

First of all thank you for daring to capture the world with all its complexity and sharing it with us here, your TR's are simply put amazing.

The lady in TIP was more than an ambassador for her great people she is also an ambassador for all that is right with humanity I hope she is ok.

And finally it was extremely daring of you to have your camera out during the whole "off loading" of the passengers thing, the picture with the woman clinging on to the arm rests as she looks at the commotions spoke a thousand words and was bitterly haunting.

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Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Little did I know then that during and after my visit, these countries would fundamentally change and that so much of my visit would become part of the "old order".

Please make a trip to Tehran  
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:56 pm

Quoting stipica (Reply 45):
Hi A. ! ... Is this preparation for airliners.net meeting ... Are you kidding me ... i will come in Caracas if you have time for a drink ... Living between ZAG SPU LJU so no problem for me just drop a message 10 days in advance ... Stipica

= Missed you on this trip due to poor planing, but will make it up and visit you probably before you visit Los Roques  .

Quoting HomaDreaming (Reply 46):

I don't usually leave that many comments here but I have followed your TRs for a very long time , some of my favorites being the IR ones which always make me feel extremely nostalgic, and I must say this was one of the most chilling stories I have ever read and I had to leave a comment.

= Thanks a lot for your very kind words.

Quoting HomaDreaming (Reply 46):
First of all thank you for daring to capture the world with all its complexity and sharing it with us here, your TR's are simply put amazing.

= Again, thank you. The world we live in in such an incredible place and I keep on being inspired every time I travel.

Quoting HomaDreaming (Reply 46):
The lady in TIP was more than an ambassador for her great people she is also an ambassador for all that is right with humanity I hope she is ok.

= Absolutely. Qaddafi's death and this TR surfacing again made me think of her, and how she is doing.

Quoting HomaDreaming (Reply 46):
And finally it was extremely daring of you to have your camera out during the whole "off loading" of the passengers thing, the picture with the woman clinging on to the arm rests as she looks at the commotions spoke a thousand words and was bitterly haunting.

= Yes - again - pretty incredible that now Qaddafi is dead. Weird how I look back at this report and the start of change.

Quoting amax1977 (Reply 47):
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Little did I know then that during and after my visit, these countries would fundamentally change and that so much of my visit would become part of the "old order".

Please make a trip to Tehran  

= Haha. It is kinda weird that all the places I have visited last year seem to have change - Yemen, Syria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt. Just weird.

Thanks a lot for reopening this report - many memories as we watch Qaddafi's brutal ending.

Saludos,
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:12 am

Excellent report, this not the regular TR you find around in this forum. Thanks for sharing!

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