gabrielchew
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SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:00 am

SAN airport tour, and AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Hi, welcome back!

This is part two of four, covering my trip to Paris, the US and Mexico. Part 1 covers my easyJet flight from Luton to Paris, then my BA flights from Paris to San Diego via LHR in World Traveller Plus . This part will cover my tour of San Diego Airport, as well as my American Eagle/Airlines flight from San Diego, to LA, then on to Dallas, then finally down to San Jose Cabo/Cabo San Lucas. The next two reports will cover my Cessna flight from La Pax to Mazatlan, and the final report, my BA flight from Mexico City back to London.

A map of my whole itinerary:
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This reports’ flights:
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When I was researching this trip, I spent quite a while looking at the best places to go, and the best flights to take. I had quite wanted to go up to San Francisco, but as this trip was mainly about Mexico, and given that I wanted to spend a decent amount of time in SF, I thought I’d leave it for another time. This meant I wanted a cheap one way flight from SAN to San Jose Cabo (SJD). There were direct flights from SAN to SJD, but where was the fun in that. For a few pounds more (around GBP100) I go get a flight via LAX. Ok, not bad. What else could I find? Well, for GBP121 (USD 190/EUR 140) I could route via DFW as well. And with the wonderful 24 hour rule, I could schedule a full day in both LA and Dallas. Excellent!

After the excitement of a citywide blackout on my arrival, it was a bit disappointing to have the lights come on around 11pm. It seemed like most of the city had got together with neighbours in an effort to drink the city dry. Once the lights came on, the magical camaraderie seemed to disparate.

The next morning, with my friend at work, I decided to walk down through Balboa Park – beautiful place!
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As mentioned before, I stopped at this bridge to take a few photos. I managed to mistime most of them.
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When looking at the SAN website before flying out, I noticed that the airport offers a free Terminals to Tarmac Tour. These only run a few times a month, but I was lucky enough to happen to be in town on one of those days. The tour was quickly confirmed.

From the park, the airport was an easy walk. San Diego is one of those rare cities where walking to the airport is possible. You get some great views of arrivals too!
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I was delighted to see that the BA B777 I’d arrived on the previous day was still there. Obviously, BA decided to cancel the flight that night. Strangely, however, it was rescheduled for 5pm (thus arriving into LHR around 10am) – how come they didn’t try and get the plane out ASAP? A 1pm flight would have arrived at 6am, great for onward connections, and no so long a delay.
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Walking closer to the airport
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The tour started at the Commuter terminal, where everyone (a group of aspiring pilots, an employee who’d been advised to take the tour to get to know the airport, and another employee with her son (all the schools had been closed due to the blackout, even though there was electricity today)) was given some info about the tour/airport, and some headphones. We had a private bus, and the tour was lead by the Head of SAN Planning.


We drove over to Terminal 1, where after a quick briefing in the bus, we donned our headsets, and took a walk of the terminal.
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The USO, one of the largest in the US
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Terminal 2
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Misconnected bags from yesterday
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The very rare sight of 2 BA flights headed from SAN to LHR on the same day – first time ever?
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After seeing the terminals (alas, only landside), and hearing about the various challenges of dealing with airline customer needs, we were back on the bus, and driven airside. (sorry, a lot of photos were taken through tinted glass).
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My lovely BA 777! It had been parked on a remote stand all day, but *just8 as we were approaching it, it was towed to the terminal. Such bad timing, especially as we ended up being able to get out on the same stand area for a few minutes – everyone was quite disappointed! The Head of Planning was saying that it was the first time he’d actually seen the BA plane in the flesh, as it normally arrived and left outside office hours.
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And a few more pics
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We were then driven over to the cargo area. The guide really didn’t have much of an idea about plane identification (which surprised me, especially as he’s got his license – sorry, I shouldn’t be mean – he was trying!). At first he mistook this for a B767:
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He then corrected himself and said it was a DC 10. Nearly. To his delight he realised that this next one was a B767. Again, not quite.
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Some UPS and DHL
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And then the private aviation tarmac
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Owed by the Minnesota Vikings


Due to SANs location, there are strict departure curfews
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On the bus
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Behind the landing lights
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Not something you see everyday – where the toilet trucks are emptied


Flying overhead
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A bird scarer


A few more shots. I hadn’t realised there were still so many old old UA colours flying around
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The tour was really good, especially for free. I’d definitely recommend it to anyone passing through SAN – it’s a shame the dates are so limited though. From SAN I caught the airport bus to downtown.
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From there I started a long walk around the edges of Balboa Park back to my friends house. It was a long walk, so I stopped in a nice park and did a bit of underside plane spotting. Sorry, my timing was pretty lousy, so I missed a lot of good pics! It was interesting photographing and tying to identify from underneath.
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The park
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I also did a day trip to La Jolla to go kayaking with sealions – nice day trip. Also saw a glider place.
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Saw this hummingbird – very exotic for us Brits!


A few more San Diego pics
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It was soon time for my first domestic US flight, happening to coincide with the September 11th attacks. As you might imagine, I was rather wary to taking any obvious photos, so most below were sneaked, hence the very bad composition.

I took the bus from town - cheaper than a shuttle.


There was only one person ahead of my in the check in queue. My bag was about 2kg over the limit, so I was asked to take some stuff out, and put it in my carryon (not sure how this would reduce the amount of weight on the plane though….). I moved 2 paperback, and the woman said that that would be ok….I hate pointless exercises. Incidentally, the lady at check in was wearing a football jersey – ever heard of a uniform?
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There was no one in the queue for security, so it was actually very quick and pleasant. No SSSS, despite being a foreigner on a one way ticket. I wasn’t waiting in the small departures area for long. Being BA Silver, I had Priority AAcess, so was the second onto the plane.
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September 2011
San Diego Lindburg Field (SAN) – Los Angeles (LAX)
American Eagle AA 3070
Scheduled: 1325-1410 (0h45m)
Actual: 1324-1348 (0h24m)
Embraer E140 N858AE
Economy



Upon boarding, I made my way down to my seat. The sole male cabin crew was busying himself in the galley on his phone. He didn’t look up or acknowledge a SINGLE passenger. Clearly, it wasn’t part of his job description. Once everyone was sat down though, he did make a very perfunctory ‘welcome’ message. Flight time was announced from the flight deck as a very exact 23 minutes.

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As I’d learnt the previous day, 95%+ departures are not over the city, so there weren’t many good views. I’d gone for an A seat on the left, which meant I had very few views of the coast, and missed the Hollywood sign.
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The FA stood nonchalantly in the galley on his phone for most of the short flight. I noticed that the trolleys were all full of cans – there was (just) enough time for him to have done through the cabin and throw a can at everyone, but he didn’t. Before arrival, he did, however, read out a list of connecting flights. There was quite a range, including Shanghai, Dubai and London, as well as plenty of domestics.
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Approach into LA was interesting – lots of roads and houses.
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We touched down over 20 minutes early – a usual occurrence on the route I believe. The taxi to the American Eagle terminal was a short one.
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As was pointed out by LXM83 last week, there are some interesting air bridges at the Eagle terminal
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Once the tarmac bags had been loaded onto a trailer, the cabin door was opened, and everyone filed out into the shed, sorry, I mean American Eagle terminal.
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The Eagle terminal is way out in the middle of nowhere, and you had to get a shuttle to the main AA terminal. No doubt due to the distance from the Eagle to main terminal, my bag took nearly half an hour to get to the luggage belt.
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gabrielchew
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:01 am

I was picked up by my hotel shuttle, and before long I was at the rather dowdy, but cheap and cheerful LA All Suites Adventure Hotel.
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View from my bathroom window
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Road outside
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As I had just one afternoon in LA, I thought I’d do the most important thing first … In-n-out Burger! I had a fairly elaborate itinerary laid out, but relying on buses in LA on a Sunday afternoon is just a daft idea. No joking, I should have hired a car. Most non-Americans I imagine would balk at the idea of hiring a car for an afternoon to get around a major city, but honestly, it’s the easiest thing to do. LA is made for driving. Anyway, after a wait for a bus, then a walk, I approached the airport.
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Welcome to in-n-out Burger!


I don’t like that they pout the calories on the menu!
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I sat outside, and at my burger. Very pleasant!
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My next stop on the bus was Santa Monica. Luckily I was only waiting a few minutes before a direct bus came along.
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When I got back, I watch the news – lots of stuff about 911, including reports that LAX would have massively heightened security the next day.
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The next morning, I got the shuttle back to the airport. There was a police cordon, but we weren’t stopped.
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AA terminal @ LAX
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I went up to the First Class check in counter, where I was told my flight had been cancelled, and that I’d been rebooked on a flight via Denver. Hmmmm. Not impressed, especially given that there are umpteen flights a day between LA and Dallas. My single aim of the day was to visit the JFK museum in Dallas before it shut at 6pm. My flight was originally scheduled to arrive at around 2pm, so plenty of time to get there. My new Denver flight wouldn’t arrive until after four, meaning I’d miss the museum. I explained all this to the agent, who then set out doing everything she should to help. She said there was an earlier flight, but I was too late for that. She did, however, manage to get a seat on the one after, arriving into Dallas at 1520 – bit of a close call, but I thought I’d go for it. I asked, rather lamely, if I could get a window. She said “honey, I barely got you on the flight”. A bit of furious typing later, and she crooned “I got it!”, and she high-fived me! Been a while since anyone has done that to me! But great result! Next task, my bags. I was about 3kg over this time, but I’d come prepared, and moved a load of stuff into my second checked bag, which worked fine for her. Again, I don’t see the point. If anything, it’s more money (for the tag), more time and effort of the loaders, and more liability should it go missing, than if I just had a slightly overweight bag (only around 25kg in total, so well before the 32kg max). Still, that’s how AA rolls.

There was a special security channel for Priory AAcess pax, which only took around 10 minutes. I made my way over to the Admirals Club lounge. The friendly lady on the door gave me a couple of drinks coupons, and welcomed me in. This was my first time in a USA lounge, and I was quite shocked at how little was on offer. There were some muffins, a coffee machine, and some fruit. That was it! Everything was behind the bar. Quite a few drinks were free (although you had to either know, or ask which was which). There were menus around with food and cocktails on, which confused me. I thought lounges were places where you could just eat and drink to your hearts content! Not here! I handed in my drinks chits, and got a bottle of water (a premium drink here!) and a mocca, then went to find a seat. The other issue with having a bartender is the obligation to tip…
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My coupons
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The Denver flight I might have taken
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My cancelled flights
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Lounge


I was quite happy with my spot, overlooking the ramp
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Before too long it was time to head to the gate. An ex-TWA plane today
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September 2011
Los Angeles (LAX) – Dallas Fort-Worth (DFW)
American Airlines AA 2432
Scheduled: 1010-1520 (3h10m)
Actual: 1018-1448 (2h30m)
McDonnell Douglas Super 80 N798TW
Economy



It seemed that not greeting passengers is actually SOP for AA. There was an FA in the front galley who ignored me, so I just followed the aisle down to my seat – given the complete lack of seats, I got an excellent seat near the front – incidentally, it was the same seat as I’d already chosen for my flight from DFW to Cabo. It was nice being on a MD80, although I’d rather have had the B757 originally scheduled.

The flight filled up to the last seat. I got an Aussie seat mate, fresh of the SYD flight. When he asked how long the flights was, he wasn’t happy with my “about three hours” response. I wonder why he didn’t get the direct flight?
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We took off a little behind schedule, into a beautiful California sky
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We got some great views of the city
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25 minutes after departure, the drinks trolley got to my row. Just a Club Soda today. No free G&Ts.
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Views
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Got a glad of OJ a bit later
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Cabin
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Enjoying a muffin from the lounge
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We began our approach into a new sunny and dry Dallas Fort Worth area nice and early
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We touched down a full 30 minutes early – excellent news for the museum plan. Dallas is a huge airport.
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Cargo
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International arrivals
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As most passengers were connecting to o0ther flights, arrivals was a doddle. DFW is a beautiful airport. Bright and airy, with decent windows.
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My bags came out No. 2 & 3.
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Machines to print off vouchers
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Before long, I had arrived at the very nice Lawrence Hotel. First impressions of Dallas: phew, it was HOT!
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My bags. It was only after I took this photo that I realised that the carabineer that had been around the handles of my bag had been removed. It lasted travelling through Austria (where I got it), England, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, France, Qatar, Korea, Japan, China, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Jordan, Spain, Germany, Sweden and Denmark before finally being stolen in the States. I’m going to miss it! Such a handy travel tool.


The Sixth Floor Museum (where JFK was shot from) is the red building on the left (as viewed from my bedroom)
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Where he was shot from
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Some Dallas pictures – I quite liked it, despite the heat
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After a night in Dallas, I took the Union Train over to the airport. American trains are pretty cool, compared to the mundane commuter ones in Europe
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I got hold of an Amtrak timetable – plenty of interesting trips out there!
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Check in was almost deserted, and I was seen very quickly. This time, my bag weight didn’t have an issue, and it was tagged, and sent on its way. Interestingly, boarding passes (for all the flights) seemed to be on old ticket stock. Haven’t seen paper tickets like that in years. Is AA just trying to get rod of them?

I headed to the lounge, where I was greeted by an Japanese agent. She only gave me one drinks coupon, but gave me a wifi card as well. Seems to be a bit of variation in protocol. I asked for a second coupon, but was told that LAX did it wrong, and I was only allowed one. I used my coupon on a Grey Goose with orange. Very tasty! Free food in DFW was biscuits (cookies) rather than muffins.
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Again, I got a good seat. AA B767s look stunning at this angle.
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:02 am

September 2011
Dallas Fort-Worth (DFW) – San Jose Cabo (SJD)
American Airlines AA 865
Scheduled: 1335-1515 (2h40m)
Actual: 1342-1505 (2h22m)
McDonnell Douglas Super 80 N982TW
Economy



I was one of the first onboard, and settled down into the same seat as the one I had had the previous day. Luckily, this flight was a lot less busy, and I had a pair of seats to myself. I guess the LF in Y was around 50%. Bizarrely, when I boarded this time, I was looked at in the eye by a FA, BUT she was crouching in the coat cupboard in front of row 1.

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We taxied past the AA Eagle concourse. Strange seeing all those airbridges so close together – perfect for ERJs.
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I like this photo – lots and lots of AA in DFW!
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We took off just a few minutes late
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Gradually the ground was obscured by clouds
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Only to have it reappear soon after
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More Club Soda
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I spent the next hour or so watching Texas pass below me, and effortlessly merge into Mexico (new country No. 4 this year, total ∽80 countries now).
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Another Club Soda
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Mexican Arrivals forms. I had to help the Mexican lady in the row behind fill hers out. The last time I had to do that was with a group of Uzbek ladies when entering Kyrgyzstan from China back in 2006.
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A cabin shot. That FA stood up just as I took the photo
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Approaching the Sea of Cortez, separating the mainland and the Baja peninsula
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Contents of the seat back pocket
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Free drinks menu


AA Map
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Approach to San Jose Cabo
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We touched down ten minutes early into a nearly deserted SJD airport. There were a couple of light aircraft around, and an Alaska Airlines B737 (from LAX I think)
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We weren’t even off the runway, and I’d already spotted a Corona factory
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Just so you know you aren’t on A or B! The crew asked us to close the shades, and open the air vents before leaving – the cabin was in a similar state when we boarded in DFW. SOP?
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First Class
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Disembarking
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Baggage reclaim. My bag was off in the first batch
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I was stamped quickly into Mexico (yay!), but then had my bags searched at customs. The lady there refused to speak and English (I’d be surprised if she couldn’t, given that 100% of international flights are full of either Americans or Canadians). I was told to push a button – a red light showed, indicating a random search was needed. I suppose its more random than officers just choosing someone. With my bags zipped up again, I ran through the gauntlet of people in the arrivals hall, and managed to get a seat on a ‘collectivo’ for Cabo San Lucas.
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I’ll leave the photos of Cabo for my next report, Aereo Calafia Cessna Caravan from La Paz to Mazatlan, and Viva Aerobus from Oaxaca (pronounced Wa-ha-ca) to Mexico City.
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Conclusion

I was fairly impressed with AA. The flights were great value considering the distances involved (2368 miles for GBP 120) – and rereouting SAN-LAX-SJD to SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD only added GBP20!. Service on board was generally good (except for the sulky man on SAN-LAX). Some free snacks would be nice though – I don’t know how US airlines get away with not serving meals on flights up to 8 hours, just because they’re domestic. At least you get full sized can of drink for free. The cancellation in LAX was a shame, and trying to rebook me on an indirect flight was quite rude. I suppose as an O-D passenger, without any same day connections, my flights were less important that others’.

Addendum!

Since I wrote this report (and just before posting) I booked an extra flight, Oaxaca to Mexico City. I had originally planned to taking the bus back (nearly 8 hours), but the bus ride down to Mazatlan to Oaxaca via Mexico City (24 hours) was so traumatising that the first thing I did when I arrive in Oaxaca was to book a plane ticket with Viva Aerobus! So my new full map looks like this:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p207/shefgab/2011USA/newfullmap.gif

All comments and questions welcome!

Some of my other TRs:

easyJet LTN-CDG and British Airways Premium economy CDG-LHR-SAN
British Airways to Scandinavia (LHR-CPH,GOT-LHR)
Where’s my bag? British Airways, Milan to London
What airline am I flying again? Bmi/Lufthansa Italia LHR-MXP
Part 1, Lufthansa London-Munich-Frankfurt-Nanjing, Economy Class A321 and A343
Part 2, Cathay Pacific Shanghai to Tokyo via Hong Kong, Business Class A330 and B747-400
Part 3, ANA Boeing B767 Tokyo to Shanghai, & Air China Airbus A340 Shanghai to Beijing, Business Class
Part 4: Chinese domestics, inc. Joy Air Xi’an MA60, Tianjin Airlines ERJ, and China Express Airways CRJ
Part 5: Lufthansa Beijing-Frankfurt-London City, Economy Class A388 and E90
5 Countries, 5 Flights, 5 Days, with Ryanair (FR)
bmiFriday: Welcome to Sunny Norway, London to Bergen, A319)
Royal Jordanian, London to Aqaba via Amman. A330 and A320
Royal Jordanian, Amman to London, A330
London City to Antwerp with Cityjet and the Fokker 50
Croatian Airlines, LHR-ZAG,PUY-ZAD-ZAG-LHR, A319 and Dash 8
British Airways, Iberia & Binter to Tenerife and Gran Canaria, LHR-MAD-TFN-LPA-MAD-LHR, A320,ATR, A321
British Airways, London To Amsterdam, LGW-AMS-LHR, B737 & A321
British Airways up to a snowy Glasgow, with a change of flights and delay, LHR-GLA-LCY A321 and E90
Turkish Airlines Business Class from London to Istanbul. From Terrible To Fantastic
Turkish Airlines Business Class from Istanbul to Batumi (Georgia). Not again!
bmi Business Class, Tbilisi to London via Azerbaijan
Tallinn to London, with Estonian Air and BA, via ARN
Cuba! BA/IB London-Madrid-Havana, Business Class
Aerocarribean, Baracoa to Havana
Asia Trip, Pt 1: Qatar Airways Business Class (LHR-DOH-ICN)
Asia Trip, Pt 2: China Southern and Hainan Airlines (A321/A346)
Asia Trip, Pt 3: Malaysia Airlines, Hong Kong to Penang
Asia Trip, Pt 4: Qatar Airways Economy (HKG-DOH-LHR)
A weekend in Transylvania with Blue Air (LTN-SBZ)
Helsinki for the weekend on BA and KF
Easter in Ukraine with Austrian
UAE and Oman with BA and Air Arabia. Y & Y+
HKG-LHR-HKG Air New Zealand, Premium Economy and Economy
US Airways LGW-DCA-MSP-LGA-LGW
London Heathrow - Zurich - Venice on Swiss Business for the weekend
Chasing the Eclipse on China Eastern
Taiwan: EVA Air (HKG-TPE rtn), UNI Airways (TSA-HCN), Daily Air (TTT-KYD rtn)
UA HKG-SIN-HKG Y Class, SQ KUL-SIN C Class
Bangkok to Beijing, Egyptair Business Class
Air China Beijing to Harbin, B777 Economy outbound, A330 First Class return
Tiger Airways, Singapore to Darwin return
A selection of Chinese Domestics; China Eastern, Air China and Shenzhen Airlines
Hong Kong to London on Singapore Airlines (744/380/77W)
Qatar Airways Beijing-Doha-London Heathrow (A330/A340)
Air China First Class. Beijing-Guilin via Xi’an
Round Asia Trip. URC-HTN,OSS-FRU,ALA-URC-LHW-KMG-JHG-KMG-SYX,HAK-NKG-PEK-NRT-LHR, Hainan Airlines, China Eastern, China Southern, Lucky Air, ANA, Economy and Business Class.
SAS and Lufthansa Business Class, LHR-OSL-FRA-FRA, B73G and B744
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:08 am

Sorry, justa realised I managed to cut off a few photos from DFW airport:


Again, I got a good seat. AA B767s look stunning at this angle.
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FIDS – I’m not sure if I prefer alphabetical or chronological ordering. I think with chronological it’s easier to see if your flight is boarding/closing at a glance. With alphabetical, it’s easier to see if you could get on an earlier flight.


Departures
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Another ex-TWA jet
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AAnother ex-TWA plane
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:35 am

Another good report, gabrielchew!

Looks like you had some decent flights with AA. When I flew through DFW back in July on my way from MSP to RDU, it was equally boiling hot! There was a lot more haze though; the arrival in was no where as clear as on your day of flying. The D terminal also looks to be a lot nicer than Terminal C. What a difference!

Thanks for sharing,

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Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:06 am

Nice TR, however for the life of me, I cant imagine going 2,400miles over SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD when there are plenty of daily flights to cover the short hop to SJD from California.

Yes I saw you spend a few hours in both LA and Dallas, just seems like such a odd long way around and waste of time.

Btw - how did you buy your ticket? Your routing exceeds IATA max permitted miles between LA and SJD!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Approach into LA was interesting – lots of roads and houses.

Yes ultimate urban sprawl. Some 18mil people in over 8,000 square miles (20,000km2). Can drive for hours and still be in Los Angeles!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
I don’t like that they pout the calories on the menu!

Yeah I think its a law that they need to declare such stuff. McDonalds does it on the wrapping, while others have separate signs in the store.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
I had a fairly elaborate itinerary laid out, but relying on buses in LA on a Sunday afternoon is just a daft idea. No joking, I should have hired a car. Most non-Americans I imagine would balk at the idea of hiring a car for an afternoon to get around a major city, but honestly, it’s the easiest thing to do. LA is made for driving.

Yes the car is the way to get around LA. Cant beat its convenience.
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:53 am

Quoting 767747 (Reply 4):
Another good report, gabrielchew!

Thanks!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 4):
The D terminal also looks to be a lot nicer than Terminal C. What a difference!

I hadn't realised there was much difference between the terminals

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Nice TR,

Thanks!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
however for the life of me, I cant imagine going 2,400miles over SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD when there are plenty of daily flights to cover the short hop to SJD from California.
Yes I saw you spend a few hours in both LA and Dallas, just seems like such a odd long way around and waste of time.

Aren't you an a.netter? I thought that this would be a good oppourtunity to a) visit in-n-out burger without actually have to spend too long in LA (not somewhere I'm terribly draen to) b) visit Dallas - can't imagine I'll ever be going there specifically as a tourist, c) to get some more airmiles/tier points with BA. I'm happy with the way the itinerary panned out. An afternoon in LA and Dallas was enough, and provided a nice interlude between San Diego and Cabo.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Btw - how did you buy your ticket? Your routing exceeds IATA max permitted miles between LA and SJD!

Bought it from Expedia. Ticket was the same price on AA.com. You seem scandalised by my routing! I did actually reprice it to see if I could also add ORD, but the price skyrocketed. And the ticket was SAN-SJD, so an ever shorted point to point distance.
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:29 am

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 6):
Aren't you an a.netter?

I might be a A.netter, but I'm not an A.nutter.

I tend to travel as expeditiously as possible and don't add distance/time to my routing's unless mandatory.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 6):
Bought it from Expedia. Ticket was the same price on AA.com. You seem scandalised by my routing!

Interesting, I guess AA does not care about maximum permitted mileage rules.
Not scandalizing, I just find it rather bizarre when there are half a dozen direct 90-minute flights to SJD from SoCal.


But I am glad you had a good time however   That's all that matters.
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:43 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
I tend to travel as expeditiously as possible and don't add distance/time to my routing's unless mandatory.

Interesting, I guess AA does not care about maximum permitted mileage rules.
Not scandalizing, I just find it rather bizarre when there are half a dozen direct 90-minute flights to SJD from SoCal.

Well, depending on what I'm doing, it's nice to get direct flights. As it was, I was in no rush, and was on holiday, and found this the perfect way to see a few new cities briefly that I otherwise probably wouldn't have done for little extra expenditure (although a much bigger carbon footprint, but I don't like to think about that too much!).
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:57 am

Hi Gabriel,

very interesting second part of your series with many nice pictures, but it would have been a bit more convenient (loading time!) if you had slightly reduced the number of pictures.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Well, for GBP121 (USD 190/EUR 140) I could route via DFW as well. And with the wonderful 24 hour rule, I could schedule a full day in both LA and Dallas. Excellent!

Good decision.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):

From the park, the airport was an easy walk. San Diego is one of those rare cities where walking to the airport is possible. You get some great views of arrivals too!

Yes, I remember spending many hours for spotting there many years ago.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
I noticed that the trolleys were all full of cans – there was (just) enough time for him to have done through the cabin and throw a can at everyone, but he didn’t.

But what about those who'd prefer a cup of water? I don't think it's necessary to serve anything on a 23 minute flight. How much time was between climb and descent?

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
McDonnell Douglas Super 80 N798TW

N978TW. It's interesting that you got two relatively young ex-TWA MD-83s, belonging of the last batch of MD-80s built in 1999.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
I had originally planned to taking the bus back (nearly 8 hours), but the bus ride down to Mazatlan to Oaxaca via Mexico City (24 hours) was so traumatising that the first thing I did when I arrive in Oaxaca was to book a plane ticket with Viva Aerobus!

That sounds very interesting!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
I don’t know how US airlines get away with not serving meals on flights up to 8 hours, just because they’re domestic.

Because all of them have cut their service levels due to fierce competition...who knows what happens in European skies in the next few years.


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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:39 am

Excellent pictures in LAX and DFW. The Admiral's Club at LAX does give you a good view of the ramp. The 777 is AA 170 from Tokyo. At LAX the larger aircraft usually shut down their engines on the ramp and they are towed to the gate.

You were at Terminal D at LAX which is the International Terminal. It is the newest terminal there. Usually at DFW and other hot airports the passengers are asked to close the window shades before deplaning, just to keep the airplane coler

I'm from Dallas, and it is HOT in the summer.

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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:38 am

Hi Gabriel!

Nice report with nice pictures ! Good also to see the parking lot where I pick up PlaneHunter when we go spotting when he's in town. It's in one of the pics from Los Angeles.

As far as the fare goes, I'm sure the total fare is a several one way fares added together since, as LAXintl said, it exceeds IATA's maximum permitted miles. Most domestic fare are routing fare anyway and don't deal wiht mpm.

Flights seem okay and just what to expect these days on most domestic US flights.

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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:40 am

Hello Gabriel,

Nice to follow the 2nd part of your journey on the West Coast. A lot of nice pics but with the good weather in the area, you can't go wrong! Some good flights on AA and two MD's, a nice catch! I'm really no fan of the US of A but you definitely showed me some nice spots there!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
And with the wonderful 24 hour rule

What's that?

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
At first he mistook this for a B767

  

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Due to SANs location, there are strict departure curfews

I understand that but what do they mean with this 'stage 2', 'stage 3'?

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
not sure how this would reduce the amount of weight on the plane though%u2026

Probably not to cause a hernia on the loaders...

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Incidentally, the lady at check in was wearing a football jersey %u2013 ever heard of a uniform?

This seems to be quite common in US airports.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Embraer E140 N858AE

Isn't that a -135 version?

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 1):
All Suites Adventure Hotel

What a stupid name for a hotel   

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
and I’d already spotted a Corona factory

Good potting!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
The crew asked us to close the shades, and open the air vents before leaving – the cabin was in a similar state when we boarded in DFW. SOP?

Perhaps an extra effort to try and keep the cabin temperature down in this hot weather?

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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:49 am

Great trip report...

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
This was my first time in a USA lounge, and I was quite shocked at how little was on offer.

Yep! Welcome to our world! To be fair... the AA lounges are tied with the USAirway lounges for having the least (and lowest quality) of free food. The excuse that AA gives is that you can BUY better food in the lounge....keepin it classy AA!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
It lasted travelling through Austria (where I got it), England, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, France, Qatar, Korea, Japan, China, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Jordan, Spain, Germany, Sweden and Denmark before finally being stolen in the States.

Sad to this this is also part of our reality. Every few month they announce that some bag handlers in one airport or another have been arrested for stealing out of luggage or smuggling drugs or something like that.... That is actually one reason people are paranoid about getting their cabin baggage into the overhead bins because checking them is an act of faith that they will arrive in one piece and NOT have been stolen from, messed with, urinated on, left out in the rain, etc etc...
 
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:32 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 9):
very interesting second part of your series with many nice pictures, but it would have been a bit more convenient (loading time!) if you had slightly reduced the number of pictures.

Sorry, I think most people like the photos. Although I agree, it can take a while to load sometimes

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 9):
Good decision

Thanks

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 9):
But what about those who'd prefer a cup of water? I don't think it's necessary to serve anything on a 23 minute flight. How much time was between climb and descent?

Fair enough - it was a little short. But Binter managed in a slightly shorter time to do drinks, snacks and papers.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 9):
That sounds very interesting!

Which, the 24 hour bus journey, or the flight?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 9):
Because all of them have cut their service levels due to fierce competition...who knows what happens in European skies in the next few years.

Well, if they cut 'meals' on domestics, it's hardly a problem, but I'm not sitting on a plane to the middle with nothing to eat!

Quoting triple7man (Reply 10):
Excellent pictures in LAX and DFW.
Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):
Nice report with nice pictures !

Thanks! I thought I was seeing a copycat posting there, then realised that there were two people with similar names!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):
As far as the fare goes, I'm sure the total fare is a several one way fares added together since, as LAXintl said, it exceeds IATA's maximum permitted miles. Most domestic fare are routing fare anyway and don't deal wiht mpm.

What are the IATA rule on mileage? Clearly they don't mean much, if I can make a booking like this?

Quoting sultanils (Reply 12):
Nice to follow the 2nd part of your journey on the West Coast. A lot of nice pics but with the good weather in the area, you can't go wrong! Some good flights on AA and two MD's, a nice catch! I'm really no fan of the US of A but you definitely showed me some nice spots there!

Yeah, I wasn't much of a fan either, but I really enjoyed myself this trip

Quoting sultanils (Reply 12):
What's that?

You can stop in an intermediate city for up to 24 hours (23h59m) before it counts as a stopover (with an fare and tax increase)

Quoting sultanils (Reply 12):
I understand that but what do they mean with this 'stage 2', 'stage 3'?

Types of engine?

Quoting sultanils (Reply 12):
Isn't that a -135 version?

No, its a standalone -140, different size to the 135 and 145. Quite rare I believe

Quoting Burj (Reply 13):
Great trip report...

Thanks!

Quoting Burj (Reply 13):
Yep! Welcome to our world! To be fair... the AA lounges are tied with the USAirway lounges for having the least (and lowest quality) of free food. The excuse that AA gives is that you can BUY better food in the lounge....keepin it classy AA!

Do a lot of poeple buy food in the lounge? Kind of defeats the point in having a lounge, if you have to pay for stuff when you get int there?
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:10 pm

Hi Gabriel!

A nice continuation of your previous tripreport, I really enjoyed it.

AA looks okay, I'd love to fly them some day, but the only American carrier I have a flight booked with as of now is Delta.

Looking forward to the next part.

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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:20 pm

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 15):

A nice continuation of your previous tripreport, I really enjoyed it.

Thanks!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 15):

Looking forward to the next part.

Writing it currently, but my OAX-MEX flight isn't until tomorow, so won't be up for another few days at least.
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:07 pm

Nice trip report. Not to lower your already low opinion of US domestic lounges but the coffee served in Admirals Clubs is not even real coffee. It's a type of coffee concentrate that gets mixed with hot water. Yuk! I try to avoid it when possible but sometimes it's the only option when I need a quick caffeine fix.

The "Stage 2" and "Stage 3" posted on the sign is referring to permitted noise levels. Stage 3 is more strict than Stage 2. Flying over populated areas, the curfew keeps local residents happy/less angry.
 
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:31 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 14):
What are the IATA rule on mileage? Clearly they don't mean much, if I can make a booking like this?

The IATA has a set amount of maximum permitted miles (MPM) between two points which is relevant for full fares. You may make unlimited stopovers bewteen the two points as long as you do not go over the maximum permitted mileage. You were not on a full fare so therefore not on a mileage based fare. Discounted fares are usually routing fares which means you have to follow a certain routing in order to qualify for the fare. Some routing fares will exceed MPM but it's to benefit the customer and airline. The routings of fares are published along with the fares in the airlines tariff. Your ticket probably conisted of SAN-DFW fare with a connection in LAX and a DFW-SJD fare. When you book it online you will probably only see the total fare and not the breakdown of it.

That's an short explanation of mileage fares and routing fares.

I have no relation to the other similiarly named user and I chose my username before him and just wish he was more imaginative to create a new username and deletes himsefl.

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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:52 am

Quoting BlueJuice (Reply 17):
Nice trip report

Thanks!

Quoting BlueJuice (Reply 17):
Not to lower your already low opinion of US domestic lounges but the coffee served in Admirals Clubs is not even real coffee. It's a type of coffee concentrate that gets mixed with hot water. Yuk! I try to avoid it when possible but sometimes it's the only option when I need a quick caffeine fix.

Oh dear, doesn't sound good. I rarely drink coffee - my mocca was the first in a while - tasted as bad as coffee always does to me!

Quoting BlueJuice (Reply 17):

The "Stage 2" and "Stage 3" posted on the sign is referring to permitted noise levels. Stage 3 is more strict than Stage 2. Flying over populated areas, the curfew keeps local residents happy/less angry.

Good to know

Quoting The777Man (Reply 18):

That's an short explanation of mileage fares and routing fares.

Thanks for the explanation. Very interesting.
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Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:15 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Strangely, however, it was rescheduled for 5pm (thus arriving into LHR around 10am) %u2013 how come they didn%u2019t try and get the plane out ASAP? A 1pm flight would have arrived at 6am, great for onward connections, and no so long a delay.

My guess would be crew issues...they need enough rest to fly back

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Incidentally, the lady at check in was wearing a football jersey – ever heard of a uniform?

I quite like the non-standard wear...adds a bit of personality to the otherwise dry check-in procedure.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 12):
Perhaps an extra effort to try and keep the cabin temperature down in this hot weather?

Yeah, this is common on flights in warm locations. Helps to keep the plane cool during the layover.
 
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:55 pm

Thanks for the comments so far!

Quoting sw733 (Reply 20):
My guess would be crew issues...they need enough rest to fly back

But the crew had been there for a day already, and should have been ready to fly back as soon as my flight landed.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 20):
I quite like the non-standard wear...adds a bit of personality to the otherwise dry check-in procedure.

I can't agree, sorry! It looks so unprofessional, like she'd just wandered in off the streets, and got behind a desk!
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:39 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 14):
Do a lot of poeple buy food in the lounge? Kind of defeats the point in having a lounge, if you have to pay for stuff when you get int there?

Not really...the thing is if you want food at the airport and you have to PAY for it...why buy it at the lounge instead of at a restaurant or food court in the terminal? The food in the lounge isn't any better or cheaper than anywhere else...

I primarily fly Delta and when they tried something like that at their JFK lounges it didn't work out either because the food was EXPENSIVE....
 
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Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:59 pm

Quoting Burj (Reply 22):
Not really...the thing is if you want food at the airport and you have to PAY for it...why buy it at the lounge instead of at a restaurant or food court in the terminal? The food in the lounge isn't any better or cheaper than anywhere else...

I primarily fly Delta and when they tried something like that at their JFK lounges it didn't work out either because the food was EXPENSIVE....

I believe gabrielchew's opinion is in response to posted notices outside the Admirals Club. There is usually a sign that states outside food is not permitted to enter the lounge. Anyone who does not visit a domestic Admirals Club often do not know this rule is largely ignored by the Lounge DrAAgons/AAngels. It seems even they know the high school cafeteria quality food there is pretty lousy. International Admirals Clubs, especially those shared with other oneworld partners usually offer decent food,
 
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Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:02 pm

Hi Gab - I am very much enjoying this series of flights you have reported on. Nice choice of flights - I completely agree with you: If you have time, and the costs are reasonable, why go direct? I would have done the same thing.

Shame about the standard of AA lounges - I am due to fly AA domestic in November into DFW so thanks for the heads up!

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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:21 pm

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 24):
I am very much enjoying this series of flights you have reported on.

Thanks, glad you're enjoying them

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 24):
Nice choice of flights - I completely agree with you: If you have time, and the costs are reasonable, why go direct? I would have done the same thing.

Good to hear. The USA offers some great value fares, most earning 100% miles.
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:13 am

Quoting BlueJuice (Reply 23):
Anyone who does not visit a domestic Admirals Club often do not know this rule is largely ignored by the Lounge DrAAgons/AAngels.

Interesting! The Delta and Alaska lounges I've been too seem pretty strict...in fact I can't remember the last time I saw outside food eaten in one of those lounges...
 
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:19 pm

Hi Gab,

Nice to see the second part of your adventures! This part made me miss flying in America - it just is different from Europe and usually very nice, with the intense competition bringing good fares and interesting routing possibilities just as you experienced (and some people had a hard time understanding, although I totally symphatize with you - after all I had a hard time explaining some colleagues at the SFO office why on earth was I flying SFO-LAX-JFK when there were plenty of direct SFO-JFK redeyes with ample space...).

I quite like AA - the service is nothing to write home about (but on line with the competition), but most of the time their crews have been very nice and friendly and the S80s are just so damn nice planes. Plus the livery with the bare aluminium planes - love it!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
And with the wonderful 24 hour rule, I could schedule a full day in both LA and Dallas. Excellent!

Nice! That's what I always took advantage of with my (sadly gone) business trips to SFO. Spent a full day in New York and Dallas.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
noticed that the airport offers a free Terminals to Tarmac Tour. These only run a few times a month, but I was lucky enough to happen to be in town on one of those days. The tour was quickly confirmed.

Nice catch! You were really lucky, it looks like an amazing thing to do, even though SAN isn't exactly LAX, ORD or JFK when it comes to movements and interesting carriers... But for free - amazing.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
The guide really didn’t have much of an idea about plane identification (which surprised me, especially as he’s got his license – sorry, I shouldn’t be mean – he was trying!).

That's quite a surprise! But I guess we are quite biased here.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Not something you see everyday – where the toilet trucks are emptied

Ewwwwww!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Flight time was announced from the flight deck as a very exact 23 minutes.

That's what always happens with American carriers - wonder why. With European and other airlines it is always something like "1h10mins" etc, but American pilots tend to give you the exact estimate off the flight computer I guess.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Approach into LA was interesting – lots of roads and houses.

Well, you can't beat LA for urban sprawl! Ok, maybe Mexico City can...

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
I don’t like that they pout the calories on the menu!

Heh. Love In'n'Out - the burgers are just so damn tasty! MAX in Sweden puts the CO2 estimate on the menu, though.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
AA terminal @ LAX

Looks familiar (and nice) - have been there a couple of times.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
It was nice being on a MD80, although I’d rather have had the B757 originally scheduled.

I heard that the AA 757s have quite bad legroom and the interiors are in a bad shape so in that sense I guess the S80 was much better.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
DFW is a beautiful airport. Bright and airy, with decent windows.

Well, that mostly applies to Terminal D which is very nice. ABC are far less beautiful - they are old and stuffy.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
First impressions of Dallas: phew, it was HOT!

How do you know it's summer in Texas? Your worst fear is tripping on the sidewalk and frying to death!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
The Sixth Floor Museum (where JFK was shot from) is the red building on the left (as viewed from my bedroom)

Hey, I've walked along that street! Never went to the museum though, for me it was enough to see the memorial and the X on the street.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Some Dallas pictures – I quite liked it, despite the heat

I didn't - at least the downtown area was quite rundown and not interesting at all - and then you drove a few blocks and suddenly were in the middle of some shantytown where guys were drinking from brown paper bags in the middle of the day...

Love the shot of Lone Star - never managed to find that in Texas but there's a restaurant in Tallinn that has it on tap!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
A cabin shot. That FA stood up just as I took the photo

Ahh, just flew a SAS MD-82 last week and for certain reasons was sitting in the back (usually I prefer up front) - a very familiar view.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
We weren’t even off the runway, and I’d already spotted a Corona factory

Nice!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Just so you know you aren’t on A or B! The crew asked us to close the shades, and open the air vents before leaving – the cabin was in a similar state when we boarded in DFW. SOP?

Was the sun on that side? If so, then it helps in keeping the plane somewhat cooler.
 
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:36 pm

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 27):
Nice to see the second part of your adventures! This part made me miss flying in America - it just is different from Europe and usually very nice, with the intense competition bringing good fares and interesting routing possibilities just as you experienced (and some people had a hard time understanding, although I totally symphatize with you - after all I had a hard time explaining some colleagues at the SFO office why on earth was I flying SFO-LAX-JFK when there were plenty of direct SFO-JFK redeyes with ample space...).

Yeah, it's nice having such a large network, where there are lots of connection possibilites. Other than, say LH or SK, you don't get much of a choice with airline multi-hubs!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 27):
Plus the livery with the bare aluminium planes - love it!

Yeah, very nice livery

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 27):
That's what always happens with American carriers - wonder why. With European and other airlines it is always something like "1h10mins" etc, but American pilots tend to give you the exact estimate off the flight computer I guess.

Well, things are got a lot more sensible than in the past when all flight times were scheduld to the minute. What a waste of time, especially when they schedules are padded. I spent a day with a friend in school in Minneapolis (when I was 17), and school started at sometime really random like 0832.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 27):
Well, you can't beat LA for urban sprawl! Ok, maybe Mexico City can...

I literally just got a bus (only a 1 hour one this time!) that came through the north of Mexico City - the sprawl was CRAZY, houses everywhere, right up hillsides, and went on forevee.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 27):
Heh. Love In'n'Out - the burgers are just so damn tasty! MAX in Sweden puts the CO2 estimate on the menu, though.

I'd rather see the Co2 than the calories! I don't know how to quantify the Co2, so it's easier to ignore!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 27):
I heard that the AA 757s have quite bad legroom and the interiors are in a bad shape so in that sense I guess the S80 was much better.

Well, don't imagine I'll get to do the AA comparison now.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 27):
Your worst fear is tripping on the sidewalk and frying to death!

Lol, a real worry in Dallas!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 27):
Hey, I've walked along that street! Never went to the museum though, for me it was enough to see the memorial and the X on the street.

The museum was good, worth a visit if you're in town.
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:34 pm

Gabriel

Nice continuation of your Mexico trip! It was an Enjoyable read. Just bad that you had a bunch of mediocre crews on your flights. Have been 3 times on AA, where 2 of them had mediocre crews as well. Glad the LAX ground agent handelled the situation well with the cancelled LAX-DFW flight.


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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:02 pm

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 29):

Nice continuation of your Mexico trip! It was an Enjoyable read.

Thanks

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 29):
Glad the LAX ground agent handelled the situation well with the cancelled LAX-DFW flight.

Well, if they had rebooked me onto a nonstop flight (like they should have in the first place), and maybe notified me (what is the point in giving the airline your contact details if they don't use them at times like this?) then she wouldn't have had to have done anything. As it was, she was a great help, and things worked out fine.
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:30 am

Hi Gabriel,

Great continuation of your adventure. I especially like your scenery pictures.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Balboa Park – beautiful place!

Is it named after Rocky Balboa?

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
I noticed that the airport offers a free Terminals to Tarmac Tour. These only run a few times a month

What a lucky guy. Good to know that you were allowed to take pictures as well!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
it was the first time he’d actually seen the BA plane in the flesh, as it normally arrived and left outside office hours.

Oh, does he work from nine to five?

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
He then corrected himself and said it was a DC 10. Nearly. To his delight he realised that this next one was a B767. Again, not quite.

Imagine he guides a group of us, A.nutters.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
A bird scarer

Did it work?

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
I hadn’t realised there were still so many old old UA colours flying around

Well, with abundant three hundred strong fleet, it may take a while to get them all repainted.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 1):
bit of furious typing later, and she crooned “I got it!”, and she high-fived me! Been a while since anyone has done that to me!

I like it!

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 1):
I’m going to miss it! Such a handy travel tool.

That is disgusting!

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 2):
Mexican Arrivals forms. I had to help the Mexican lady in the row behind fill hers out.

That was very kind of you. But why could she could not fill out hers?


Thank you for sharing.

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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:55 am

Quoting akhmad (Reply 31):
Hi Gabriel,

Hi Suryo!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 31):
Great continuation of your adventure. I especially like your scenery pictures.

Thanks

Quoting akhmad (Reply 31):
Is it named after Rocky Balboa?

Ha, no, I don't think so!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 31):
What a lucky guy. Good to know that you were allowed to take pictures as well!

I emailed to ask if photos were ok, and was told that there were. If I hadn't have known in advance, I might not have taken so many, espcially inside the terminals

Quoting akhmad (Reply 31):
Oh, does he work from nine to five?

Seems to

Quoting akhmad (Reply 31):
Imagine he guides a group of us, A.nutters.

He would have been heckled quite a bit I think

Quoting akhmad (Reply 31):
Did it work?

yes, very well apparantly

Quoting akhmad (Reply 31):
That was very kind of you. But why could she could not fill out hers?

Not sure why she couldn't.????
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:01 am

Great report, thank you! I've been reading already the other parts.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Check in was almost deserted, and I was seen very quickly. This time, my bag weight didn’t have an issue, and it was tagged, and sent on its way. Interestingly, boarding passes (for all the flights) seemed to be on old ticket stock. Haven’t seen paper tickets like that in years. Is AA just trying to get rod of them?

This is strange, and it seems they do this for years and at all AA stations no matter where! I mean, these are regular paper tickets, I guess this is from the past when paper tickets were still used. A that time some airlines used to take the flight coupon out of the whole ticket booklet, and insert it into the printer. Then the printer printed the seat on the right stub of the coupon. Once at the gate, the big part of the flight coupon on the left was teared away and the passenger keeped the stub with his seat. This made sense since other airlines printed own boarding passes and stapled the coupon to it or put it in pocket together with the boarding pass. AA is aparently still using their paper ticket stocks still today, althrough all white or at least AA branded stock would make so much more sense nowadays. Could this be the reason?

Concerning your rebooking, an additional flight would have been cool, but on the other side I understand you wanted to see the museum and it's indeed strange that they didn't rebooked you on one of the multiple other nonstop flights (but prorbably they were will since she had to work thoughly to get you on the other direct flight).
 
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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:21 pm

Hi GC,

Nice report, and nice to get an EMB-140 and 2 MD-80's, not something you get in europe very easily!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
When looking at the SAN website before flying out, I noticed that the airport offers a free Terminals to Tarmac Tour. These only run a few times a month, but I was lucky enough to happen to be in town on one of those days. The tour was quickly confirmed

- What a great idea, would be nice if the likes of ORD & JFK offered these, talk about cool!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
. My bag was about 2kg over the limit, so I was asked to take some stuff out, and put it in my carryon (not sure how this would reduce the amount of weight on the plane though….

- What's the point? - stupid rule.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Most non-Americans I imagine would balk at the idea of hiring a car for an afternoon to get around a major city, but honestly, it’s the easiest thing to do. LA is made for driving

- Note me, makes perfect sense, though I won't be for my trip there in 2 weeks time, hotel is real close to the airport, fine for spotting and burgers  
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
I made my way over to the Admirals Club lounge. The friendly lady on the door gave me a couple of drinks coupons, and welcomed me in. This was my first time in a USA lounge, and I was quite shocked at how little was on offer

- Oh yes, these US airport lounges are pretty crap, US Airways has a good one in PHL though.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 2):
I headed to the lounge, where I was greeted by an Japanese agent. She only gave me one drinks coupon, but gave me a wifi card as well

- It just screams cheap, don't these carriers know some of the passengers spend thousands of $$ on flights? - the odd G&T won't kill!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
I was told to push a button – a red light showed, indicating a random search was needed

- Good to see it's not just MEX that has these  

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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:24 am

Quoting akhmad (Reply 31):
Is it named after Rocky Balboa?

Vasco Nunexz de Balboa, Spanish explorer 1475 - 1519

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RE: SAN Airport Tour, And AA SAN-LAX-DFW-SJD

Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:52 pm

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 34):
Nice report, and nice to get an EMB-140 and 2 MD-80's, not something you get in europe very easily!

Thanks. Yeah, it was nice to get something a bit different

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 34):
- What's the point? - stupid rule.

Very stupid

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 34):
- Note me, makes perfect sense, though I won't be for my trip there in 2 weeks time, hotel is real close to the airport, fine for spotting and burgers

in-n-out burger?

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 34):
- Good to see it's not just MEX that has these

I hate those machines!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 35):
Vasco Nunexz de Balboa, Spanish explorer 1475 - 1519

Thanks, didn't know that

Quoting reifel (Reply 33):
Great report, thank you

Glad you enjoyed it

Quoting reifel (Reply 33):
AA is aparently still using their paper ticket stocks still today, althrough all white or at least AA branded stock would make so much more sense nowadays. Could this be the reason?

Possibly. Either way, it's nice to see as the boarding passes have a bit more info that you don't normally see

Quoting reifel (Reply 33):
Concerning your rebooking, an additional flight would have been cool, but on the other side I understand you wanted to see the museum and it's indeed strange that they didn't rebooked you on one of the multiple other nonstop flights (but prorbably they were will since she had to work thoughly to get you on the other direct flight).

I did think in the air that I should have taken the DEN flight to see what the AAdmirals club was like there, but am glads I went with the Dallas Musuem option in the end. Means I don't have to go back to Dallas again!
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