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Tatl On KL And DL - Part 1 - LPI-AMS-JFK

Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:21 pm

Due to the length and the amount of pictures I devided this report in three part - this is part one

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Some month ago I got the news from my boss that I will be allowed to go to a conference in Cleveland, Ohio. So I started to look for connections from Sweden to Cleveland. This proved to be quite complicated as there are no direct flights from Europe to Cleveland. As I wanted to start directly here in Linköping the best choice was using KLM (together with Delta). So I started selecting a trip with two stops (as these would be needed for the LPI-CLE connection. As a lot of connections use NewYork JFK as an American Hub the idea of stopover in NewYork was quite a fast decision and two of my colleagues joined in to spend some days in the BigApple. So I ended up with the route LPI-AMS-JFK and JFK-CLE for my outbound trip.

For the return trip I found two likely connections CLE-MSP-AMS-LPI and CLE-DTR-AMS-LPI. I asked here in the forum and as told that spotting is better at MSP so I went for that way. So my trip was there:

LPI-AMS on KLM Fokker70
AMS-JFK on KLM B744 (my first time B747)
JFK-CLE on Delta Connection CRJ200
CLE-MSP on Delta Connection CRJ200
MSP-AMS on Delta B763 (my first time B767)
AMS-LPI on KLM Fokker70

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK00.gif
routing of the whole trip

This part one of the report will cover the first two legs LPI-AMS-JFK.

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After getting up at 3.45AM on wednesday morning and a (very) short drive to the airport I headed straight for check in (which went smooth) and through security (which was fast). I still had some time before boarding so I was able to take a look at our plane this morning.

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK01.jpg
Gate area at Linköping City Airport

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK02.jpg
Our plane this morning PH-KZI

Boarding was fast (despite the approximately 95% load factor) and soon we took off. After a tight turn we came by the airport again.


aerial view of LPI airport. The terminal is on the bottom right. Above that is the SAAB Aero factory.

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK04.jpg
Nice clouds during sunrise.

Our pilot announced that we will maybe a bit late in Amsterdam as during that time AMS had very strong westerly winds. As most of AMS's runways are north-south oriented they had to squeeze all the landing traffic on one single runway. Luckily they seemed to had this still in order and we were nearly on time in AMS.


during approach to AMS

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK06.jpg
deboarding onto the apron and into a bus

After passing the passport control into the non-Schengen area there was some time to spend for spotting before I would have to board the next flight. Here are some of the results (AMS is always a great location for spotting)

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK07.jpg
definitely Delta land here

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK08.jpg
China Airlines B744

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK09.jpg
My next plane - PH-BFL (City of Lima)

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK10.jpg
KLM MD-11

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK11.jpg
Jade Cargo B747

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK12.jpg
ElAl B737

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK13.jpg
Martinair B763ER - these will only be around for a short time

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK14.jpg
Martinair Cargo will survive longer I hope

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK15.jpg
United B767 in StarAlliance layout

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK16.jpg
China Souther being towed along

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK17.jpg
Centurion Cargo - I had never seen one of these before

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK18.jpg
Airbus A330 from Garuda Indonesia to Dubai

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK19.jpg
Martinair retro look

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK20.jpg
the "old" United

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK21.jpg
Singapore triple seven

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK22.jpg
Cathay Jumbo

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK23.jpg
also something new to me - Surinam Airways

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK24.jpg
KLM B777 in special "tiles" paint

Then it became time to go to our gate where all of us had to through another security screening and passport control again. As seen before our plane was already waiting.

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK25.jpg
KLM PH-BFL "City of Lima", my plane to JFK

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I like those funny bridges at AMS - they connect to one of the door behind or over the wing to speed up boarding of the aft sections of the plane

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK27.jpg
our plane also got some cargo, but what is it ? .....

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK28.jpg
.... dutch peppers for NewYork  http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK29.jpg
I had spend some extra Euro's to get a seat in the Economy Comfort zone - that gave me some really nice legroom (about 10cm more then standard economy)


AVOD system with a nice selection of films a screen of good size - the control was stowed in the armrest which caused some unwanted actions during the flight

We left AMS in time and took of after a (at least for AMS) short taxi.

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK31.jpg
I dont know what airport that is - we came that shortly after leaving AMS

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK32.jpg
crossing the coastline


lots of clouds so nothing more to see


nice view on the engines from here

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK35.jpg
Some time after takeof we got a lunch. I took the green-chili-chicken with rice, some salad, bread, cheese and a nice pineapple desert. It was better the expected - really surprised on that point.

As announced by the pilot after takeof we took quite a southerly route due to the still strong westerly wind above the northern atlantic. We ended up with a route above London - south of Ireland - and then a straigh line across the atlantic. So we would reach NewJork direktly from the Atlantic without touching land before.

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK36.jpg
our routing the the AVOD system

At about that time I asked one of the staff if it would be possible to visit the cockpit after arrival in JFK. He went to aks the pilot but came back with bad news. He told me the pilot would be OK with a visit but they more or less get thrown out of their own plane by the US security staff. So he guessed I should try on the return flight. He seemed to be really sorry...

About one and a half hours before arrival we got another hot snack. In that case I opted for the slice of pizza (sorry, I dont remember the other choice).

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK37.jpg
already close to NewYork

We approached JFK from the south. If I would drive like this pilot is flying I would certainly be stopped by the police ....  http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK38.jpg
weird bumpy approach

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK39.jpg
approaching JFK with a lot of planes waiting on the parallel runway

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK40.jpg
nice surprise - Korean A380 on taxi

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK41.jpg
lots of different airlines around - Swiss, Arik, AerLingus, LAN, AirIndia, ElAl, Singapore, TAM, ...

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK42.jpg
this AerLingus touched down before we did

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK43.jpg
this Emirates A380 followed us on touch down

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK44.jpg
lots and lots of moisture in the air (Qatar Airways)

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK45.jpg
Delta B744 at the terminal

http://www.photo-phil.org/planepictures/LPIAMSJFK46.jpg
On the gate beside ours...

Deboarding went fast and smooth. I was really concerned about the long waiting times I experienced before at immigration and with these many planes coming in at the same time I expected the worst. Well, I was through immigration within five minutes - we had been the first plane to be at the gate. Phhuuuu.... I even made a joke with the staff there about the masses of people that will come soon and he also seemed not to be very happy about the timing of the airlines - remember, there even was an A380 coming in after us... We only had to wait for our baggage quite long before we were able to pass customs and head for our hotel in NewYork.

In the end I was quite happy with the KLM flight. The planes were nice and newly refurbished. The food was good. The personnel nice. All connections in time. The upgrade to Economy Comfort was well worth the 80€ I spend for that. The extra legroom made the flight quite nice... I would fly KLM again on that route. But maybe next time on one of the other flights. KLM has (as far as I know) three daily AMS-JFK flight, one on B744 and two on B777.

Thanks for reading and all the comments. The part two (US domestic flights) and part three (return trans atlantic) will follow soon

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RE: Tatl On KL And DL - Part 1 - LPI-AMS-JFK

Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:51 pm

Cool trip report! Thanks for sharing!

The pictures turned out REALLY well! What kind of camera did you use?

How crowded was the Economy Comfort section?
 
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RE: Tatl On KL And DL - Part 1 - LPI-AMS-JFK

Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:03 pm

camera is a Pentax K10D, normally with a Sigma 17-70 (in flight) and a Tamron 70-200 (spotting)

The Economy Comfort was 100% full like the whole flight... But as here the plane is only about half as wide as on other parts (the other half is occupied by the kitchen) it does not feel like being on a large aircraft...

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RE: Tatl On KL And DL - Part 1 - LPI-AMS-JFK

Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:46 pm

Hi Philip,

really nice pictures, great work. Every time I see a report including AMS I urge myself to go there again, I have not been in Amsterdam for around 10 years and it seems a very nice place for spotters.

And the routing of your flight is something not seen every day, quite interesting.

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Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:03 am

Hi Philip,

another nice report with good pictures.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
I had spend some extra Euro's to get a seat in the Economy Comfort zone - that gave me some really nice legroom (about 10cm more then standard economy)

That's about as much as you get on a few carriers free of charge - it's quite disappointing that certain carriers such as KL decrease pitch in Y Class and then charge money for so-called "Y Class Comfort" zones.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
AVOD system with a nice selection of films a screen of good size - the control was stowed in the armrest which caused some unwanted actions during the flight

At least KLM has finally added PTVs in Y Class. Was the control fixed? That's what you get on LH's A380s, including unintended actions.

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
As announced by the pilot after takeof we took quite a southerly route due to the still strong westerly wind above the northern atlantic. We ended up with a route above London - south of Ireland - and then a straigh line across the atlantic. So we would reach NewJork direktly from the Atlantic without touching land before.

Very interesting routing.


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RE: Tatl On KL And DL - Part 1 - LPI-AMS-JFK

Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:18 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 4):
Was the control fixed?

No, you could take it out of the armrest if wanted.

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RE: Tatl On KL And DL - Part 1 - LPI-AMS-JFK

Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:14 pm

Hi Phil!

Very nice report with nice pictures ! I had my first flight on a 744 on KL in 1989 AMS-JFK on PH-BFA, when the 744 was only a few months old.....

Very odd and intersting routing for you! Very rare for a transatlantic flight to route so far south over the Atlantic.

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RE: Tatl On KL And DL - Part 1 - LPI-AMS-JFK

Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:35 pm

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
Some time after takeof we got a lunch. I took the green-chili-chicken with rice, some salad, bread, cheese and a nice pineapple desert. It was better the expected - really surprised on that point.

I got the same meal on my flight from AMS to ORD and it was delicious! I was also really surprised, as well. The second item had a cinnamon cake (if you chose not to have the pizza)...
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Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:25 pm

Good report!

Looks like you had some nice flights with KLM. I love their livery; especially on those 747 engines! Thanks for sharing! Looking forward to your next installment as you're flying through my hometown airport, MSP!

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Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:32 am

Hi

Nice trip report, glad you got the F70 on the LPI-AMS leg. My first 744 flight was last year on AF (upper deck) from BOS to CDG which was a pretty nice expercience. Glad you where able to do some spotting in AMS.


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Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:41 am

Great reports (all the three of them)!!! Thank you so much.

The strange airport after take off in AMS is Valkenburg airport which is currenly closed. Simply too close to both AMS and RTM.

Valkenburg Airport (Netherlands) Closed (by Aviationfreak Jul 1 2006 in Civil Aviation)
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:46 pm

Nice trip report! I'd love to read the report of your return flights

Quoting photophil (Thread starter):
I dont know what airport that is - we came that shortly after leaving AMS

As the person above me already mentioned, this is LID and it's closed atm
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:35 am

Quoting The777Man (Reply 6):
Very nice report with nice pictures !

Thanks!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 6):
Very odd and intersting routing for you! Very rare for a transatlantic flight to route so far south over the Atlantic.

Well, the wind was really stron on that day. So maybe this route was still faster or with less fuel consumption then the typical one.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 7):
I got the same meal on my flight from AMS to ORD and it was delicious! I was also really surprised, as well. The second item had a cinnamon cake (if you chose not to have the pizza)...

Yeah, it was really good  
Quoting 767747 (Reply 8):
Looks like you had some nice flights with KLM. I love their livery; especially on those 747 engines! Thanks for sharing!

you're welcome

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 9):
Nice trip report, glad you got the F70 on the LPI-AMS leg.

Thanks. Sadly they will change the F70 for an E190 soon. Baut thats also a nice plane I only have flown with once...

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 10):
Great reports (all the three of them)!!! Thank you so much.

Thanks!

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 10):
The strange airport after take off in AMS is Valkenburg airport which is currenly closed.

Thanks for the information.

Quoting TBloemink (Reply 11):
Nice trip report! I'd love to read the report of your return flights

thanks!

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Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:33 pm

What a gorgeous pic! Sorry I could not resist not posting it a second time here. Always enjoy reading about KLM and this was another good read. I have to say the food tray on KLM really does not look very impressive. They could surely do better than that. Sorry you had crappy weather while arriving into JFK!

 
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:47 pm

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 13):
What a gorgeous pic! Sorry I could not resist not posting it a second time here.

 


Thanks ....


Some more engine Pic's extra for you  


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Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:59 pm

Well I am really glad I commented on those pics!! I was about to mention that I was hoping you had taken some more pics from that view!! Thanks for sharing. But the one you posted in the original thread is the yummiest of them all  .

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