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SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:49 pm

SATA, the Azores and the A310! (part I)
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Background:
New year 2011, quite a bit of spare time before my next school assignment, so an ideal time to do some flying. I had quite a few must-fly types that I wanted to see in my log. Where as the A310, B753 and MD11. I had flown the summer before on the KLM MD11 between Amsterdam and Montreal. So this would leave only 2 desired aircraft types. From my younger teenage years I always wished to fly the 310. As I was with skyteam the CSA 310 on the PRG-JFK route always looked attractive to me. But it was zeroed out when Delta took over the route with a 767… Another option was Air Transat who operated 310’s in to BRU from Montreal… Would be nice. In a mood of boredom back in 2010 I found some new codes of airlines and airports S4 and PDL operating flights from PDL to Lisbon on A310’s. This would be SATA Azores Internacional who operated frequently on flights between the Azores, Lisbon, Toronto and Boston. PDL Would stand for Ponta Delgada, The capital of the Azores Island group. Back fast forward to January 2011, Looking for a trip including A310. I had a safe option to a well known city, I could grab a seat on Air Transat’s Paris-Toronto service, or go of path with a similar priced deal on TAP/SATA’s Brussels-Lisbon-Ponta Delgada service. One way or the other?? Oh well, we have to be brave sometimes in our lives. So I chose for the latter option. When I booked online I could not enter my Continental OnePass number, after making a phone call to the TAP office my number was entered. When the booking was completed I checked some reviews and did not hear to much positive about TAP and SATA. Especially them not liking enthusiasts and Photographers… hmmm was it a good choice?? Let’s see..

Pre-departure:
In the following weeks I would quite a bit of conversations where like the following. “Where are you heading??” “Ponta Delgada??” “Ponta wadda???”…..Did not know what I would end up doing that weekend in Ponta Delgada, but with quite a few newbies in my log it was not bad trying it once…Quickly the weeks followed and before I really realised it, it was February 3, the day before my departure. After returning from Brussels to retrieve my new US passport (why I had to retrieve it, see my previous trip report series on my December USA trip), I checked in online, I was able to check in and print my boarding pass for the Brussels-Lisbon sector but not for the Lisbon-Ponta Delgada segment on SATA. I had 20F confirmed on the TP607. Soon it was time to sleep and arise the next day at 7.30, quite a civil hour If you’re used to flying to the US a lot. An hour later I was ready to leave, after a walk, a bus ride and another train ride to the Brussels Airport. I arrived there at 11.00, a large hour and a half before our departure time.



@ the airport
The first thing that I spotted was the arrivals board where I found out that my aircraft had just arrived as TP606 from Lisbon. So we would depart on time, next stop was to find the check-in desks. TAP was using row 6 this morning for their flights, there was no line and got checked in no time. I received my boarding passes for both legs, however the check in agent referred the SATA flight as S4 airlines. A few minutes later I was underway for the mini walk to the A-terminal (for the ones who are not familiar in BRU, the A-concourse would almost lay in the city-centre of Brussels). By 11.30 I was in the A-concourse, traffic was a bit on the calm side with the major bank of long haul flights already departed. Just a few Brussels Airlines A330’s and a United 777 (which would depart as UA951 to Washington-IAD later on) was parked at the B-concourse. In the A-concourse traffic was pretty calm as well: Brussels Airlines, Iberia, KLM Cittyhopper, Alitalia and Régional where present. Iberia 3203 to Madrid was operated by EC-LKH, an A320 in Oneworld livery. OO-SCC, a Brussels Airlines A319 in star alliance colors was also present. Shortly I approached gate A58 where I found my TAP A320. She was registered CS-TQD and named Eugenio de Adriande. Just when checking my boarding passes, I noticed my Continental Onepass number was not on both boarding passes. Soon I went over to the gate agent to get things sorted out, after some typing she assured me that my frequent flier number was entered. Soon 12.00 came by and the boarding started for:


The flight:
Friday, February 4 2011
Brussels (BRU/EBBR) – Lisbon (LIS/LPPT)
TAP Air Portugal 0607 (Brussels Airlines 6403)
Airbus A320-214 CS-TQD. “Eugenio de Adriande” Economy 20F
Delivered to Swissair as HB-IJT on 26 April 2009, later delivered to SWISS, Hifly (CS-TQD), Air Luxor and TAP Air Portugal on 28 May 2006)
12.25-12.23 (Gate A58; wheels up on runway 25R at 12.28)
14.10-13.58 (Stand 501; wheels down on runway 3 at 14.04)
Est flying time: 2 hour 25 minutes
Cruising Altitude: FL 370
Load factor: 50% in Y
Routing: CIV-UN872-RATUS-DCT-XAMX-LPPT rway 3
BRU-NTE-LIS%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=km&PATH-MINIMUM=&MARKER=1&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=" target="_blank">http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=B...mp;RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=
Personal statistics
138th registered flight.
1st flight in 2011
1st flight on TAP Air portugal
11th flight on the Airbus A320 series
5th flight on the Airbus A320
1st flight on CS-TQD

Having my camera around my neck I did not know what to expect when I turned into the glass jetbridge. In the distant I could see 2 flight attendants, these two ladies had the most natural smile I have ever occurred in my life. After passing trough the Business class cabin, which basically was the same hardware as Economy, as with most European carriers. Approaching the Economy cabin I was greeted by another male flight attendant. Who immediately noticed my camera ‘haaa, you are going to take some pictures’ was his reply. After some talk about my trip I proceeded down to my row. The aisle and the middle seat remained unoccupied. My first impression was a very tight pitch with my knees literally squeezed in between the seats. Soon a man came who occupied seat 20D. He asked me if it was 20C, and I replied negative. And he re seated him in his correct seat, result I had a 3-seater for myself. Soon the door closed, Flight attendants took their position… and the safety video started to play. Taxing out I found something interesting in the T-concourse. A 767-300 from Air Italy group registered I-AIGJ, never seen this airline before. With ample taxi time we lifted in to the skies at 12.28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo5F--iDUrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhQCT7OHf3s


While we where climbing the inflight entertainment switched on. It’s a nice feature to have IFE during a short flight like this one, the only problem was that there was no way we could listen. No headphones and the worst of all, no way to plug them in.. This was a bit on the downside. When reaching our cruising altitude of 37 000 feet the flight attendants where in the aisle with the meal service. The meal on this flight consisted of a hot dog, while presentation was not superb. It was nice to get a hot meal and some free booze during a short 2,5 hour flight between Brussels and Lisbon, especially noting that the vast majority of my flying is on US domestic carriers. The taste was not bad at either, after clearing my meal it was time for the duty free sales where I bought some nice chocolates. At this time the tight seat pitch was really getting to be a factor. Thankfully, I could stretch my legs over the 3 seats. But if the flight was full, this would have been quite uncomfortable. By now we where already above northern Spain and went to stretch my legs. The remainder of the flight I would be talking with the flight attendants and taking some pictures. We talked about workload and pressure, the Azores, my usual US flying, TAP, SN, …. During my galley visit I offered the flight attendants some chocolates as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndaW4w8veYM


In the meanwhile it was approaching 14.20 in Brussels and about 13.20 in Lisbon and the engines where throttled down, when I returned to my seat we where already flying over mainland Portugal and the ground started coming slower my direction. The captain came on the public address system to tell us that the weather was sunny and 19 degrees celcius, that just sounded so nice in beginning February. Soon the flight attendants came passing by with their final checks and all seats when back to the upright and locked position giving me a half of an inch more legroom, which did not feel bad. Soon after that I started looking trough the window and noticed the city of Lisbon. Hmm, nice to get a free tour of LIS as well. At 13.53 We made a nice and smoothly touchdown on runway 3L. After passing some TAP aircraft and noumourus Hifly A310s. We passed CS-TGU a SATA A310 waiting on the tarmac.. Would she take me into Ponta Delgada in a few hours?? Hmmmm… I was quite amazed to see all those A310’s here in Lisbon knowing it is quite a rare type. A few minutes later we docked at our stand beside another A310. After saying goodbye to the crew I boarded the bus, which made another free tour of LIS and dropped us of at terminal 1. Here I could find all the inbounds who where parked on hardstands. Each flight was shown with it’s registration number as well. Spoken about a nice feature for the aviation enthiousast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxZ1B5VgFGk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWPI9HUlVfw


When I arrived in to the terminal I could only find the signs to the exit and all passengers going that direction. I soon found out that this was leading to the baggage claim, so not quite the right direction for me since I had another flight to Ponta Delgada later on some 5 hours later.I decided to asked some uniformed people which seemed to be flight attendants of SATA flight 130 from Terceira, I got a short answer that they did not know (and did not care). Soon I found some airline representative and told me I was going to leave from terminal 2. I passed trough custums and hopped on a bus to terminal 2. After searching and waiting a while I found the bus and proceeded to terminal 2. Terminal 2 is dedicated to easyjets, TAP’s and SATA’s domestic Portuguese flights. When asking at the SATA desk for the load I got informed that the flight was only booked with a 100 persons… Sounds nice. After exploring the pre-security area of terminal 2 I found out that there was nothing here besides chairs and a big hangar, soon I was back on the bus to terminal 1. It was now about 15.20, just 4 hours prior to my next flight. After walking a bit around I did not find anything exiting except some nice arts hall. I was looking into visiting the Lisbon city for the remainder of the time, but before that I found a nice little aviation store in the corner of terminal 1. I visited it and bought myself a US Airways/Piedmont A319 model, while starting a small conversation with the owner. Well, small… By the time I left the store it was 17.20.It’s a wonderful store with a fun owner, I suggest anyone with a long transfer in LIS should visit this store. I did learn a lot of new aviation related stuff as well as stuff about SATA, Sao Miguel, …. By now it was 17.30 and was quite hungry. Settled me in for some OJ and the special Portuguese cake desert. A real delicatesse…


17.50, a little less than an hour and a half before my connection I decided to make my way back to terminal 2. At this time the sun was setting so spotting would be impossible, by 18.00 I was in terminal 2 and made my way to a quite busy security counter, people from our flight and passengers to Madeira where sharing the line. The line took about 10 minutes, as mentioned earlier there was not that much to do in terminal 2. Just a large sitting area and some basic shops around, when I asked the gate agent if there where open 2-seaters available I was told that the earlier flight got cancelled and that the flight was fully booked. Soon 18.40 came, time to board.. But no announcement was to be made. It was quite a bit of waiting before our scheduled departure time of 19.10. The queue moved very slowly it took me about 15 minutes to reach the bus, which departed at 19.30. We got another tour of the LIS airport but could barely see anything, at 19.40 the bus stopped at CS-TKN. SATA’s only A310 in new colors and according to my friend in the aviation store TKN is special because it is the only SATA A310 with PW engines. Finally I could set step aboard the main goal of my trip.


The flight:
Friday, February 4 2011
Lisbon (LIS/LPPT) – Ponta Delgada (PDL/LPPD)
SATA Azores Internacional S4 129 (Codeshare: TAP Air Portugal 6559)
Airbus A310-325/ET CS-TKN ‘Macaronesia’ Economy 30A
Built and delivered to Austrian Airlines on 6 december 1991 as OE-LAD. Has flewn for Air Plus Comet (EC-HIF), Corsair, Islandflug, Star Airlines (TF-ELR) and was delivered to SATA on 8 March 2007.
19.10-19.51 (Gate 208/stand 425; wheels up on runway 3 at 20.03)
20.25-20.52 (Gate W06 wheels down on runway 30 at 20.49)
Est flying time: 1hrs54mins.
Cruising Altitude: FL 360
Load factor: 100% in Y
Routing: KOMUT-3820N-NAVPO
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Personal statistics
139th registered flight.
2nd flight in 2011
1st flight on SATA Azores Internacional
1st flight on the A310
1st flight on CS-TKN


I was glad to be boarding by airstairs on this ancient aircraft! When reaching the top I greeted the main flight attendant who just nodded back. This action would be repeated by several other flight attendants when making my way back. J-class looked pretty comfortable given the duration of out flight. Economy class had the old-school style seats who where to be found on several carriers like Air France, Sabena, Iberia, … in the mid 90’s. Soon after finding my seat my neighbours found their seat as well. The person in front of me dropped something and asked me if I would mind helping him to recover his object. Due to my lack of Portuguese my neighbours helped with the translation. Soon the captain came on explaining the delay that came due to a delay on the flight from Ponta Delgada to Lisbon. Soon we started our pushback and the safety video started to play. When taxing in the darkness I noticed a familiar friend sitting on her stand. CS-TQD, the aircraft that took me from Brussels to Lisbon was still resting on the stand where she arrived 6 hours ago. Seems like not a busy working day for her today. At 20.03 the engines spooled up, and away we are on runway 3. Heading over the city of Lisbon and back over the Atlantic towards new adventures.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GqVqapr-s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgO66LH52ao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2bQVB5X2ro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pte4Y1Lelc


Soon we reached in flight entertainment was switched on and similar to my TAP flight to Lisbon there was no way to listen to the IFE. No Personal TV’s, AVOD or anything… Of course I was not expecting (and for nostalgic reasons not wanting) any of this kind. The seating was quite a tight fit as well, good for 2 hours. But would be painful on 6 hour flight from Ponta Delgada to Boston or Toronto. Soon all the flight attendants would disappear in the SAGA business class. Where half of the flight attendants would start their service. In the meanwhile I made a quick stretch to lavatory and made some cabin pictures. Finally about 1hour after take off the service started in the Economy cabin. 21.10 in Lisbon, 20.10 in Ponta Delgada… I received my meal. A not so well presented sandwich (like the TAP hotdog and some vanilla cake. I did not understand the service schedule quit as it took more than an hour to serve an A310. Okay a short 2 hour flight from Lisbon to Ponta Delgada. Would raise some annoyance on sectors as Ponta Delgada to the US or Canada. Especially the eastbound red-eye services.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXH_Yjsq0c8


As time flew on the service was nearly completed and our decent in to the Azores had started Immediately a tense rush of finishing the service went trough the flight attendants, the downside was that our decent would be in the dark and there is not so many to say about it. Before realising it we where approaching the ground. After seeing some light we made some turns and before realising it we where on the ground in the Azores at 20.52, after a short taxi we arrived at our hardstand a few minutes later. We parked next to Macaronesia’s two brothers, CS-TKM and CS-TGV. Well well, glad to be able to spot the whole SATA A310 family in one day. When deboarding I was allowed to make a picture of the flight deck, after a walk down the stairs and some walking on the tarmac (just lovely! These old school airports)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUn8eLAPHYw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGCOmmdpXPo


Once in the airport it seemed like we where the only arrival. The previous arrival was 30 minutes earlier from mainland Oporto. It did took a good while before my bag arrived, but 30 minutes after landing it finally appeared on the belt. Once I entered the arrivals hall I was surprised how modern it was. No form of open transportation here… The only way to my hotel was a taxi which costed 9 euros for a 15 minute ride, quite a fair price. At 21.50: 15 hours after leaving my house, I arrived in the hotel Resicencial Citades. Basic but a decent product for an adventure weekend…


And some accommodation pictures…


Overall verdict
First of all I would like to cover the TAP part of the trip. Given the mixed comments about TAP (especially by skytrax..) I was quite pleased about this portion of the trip. Flight was on time. We got a free hot sandwich (not quite presentable, but good), IFE (without headpones, not that I care on such a short flight) and friendly F/A’s. The only downside was the tight seat pitch on their A320’s. It was made up by the light load factor. However. If this flight would have been full, it would have been an issue. Lisbon’s airport is not easy to navigate in at all and if you need help, there is poor signage and you will have to look quite hard for somebody. On the thumbs up side. As an aviation enthiousast, one really needs to visit the aviation shop pre-security in Lisbon’s terminal 1. It is worth the visit and the chat .

As expected, the SATA flight had no AVOD, old-style cramped seating, …. But hey, I did not take this trip to get pampered by all the new innovations we have become used to when flying.. The main goal was catching an A310 and I succeeded in this. The only downside was the cool and distant attitude by the cabin crew and the awkward service schedule I had on this flight.

In the end I noticed my miles had not been accounted into my onepass account, unlike promised. Don’t know where the error had happened, was it the gate agent and the phone representative who failed to enter the number correct. Or was it a glitch in TAP’s system..

Remarks.

TAP Portugal Airlines 0607: (Total: 69%)

Departure: 70% (Brussels was calm as usual. However, the promise that my CO Onepass number was entered was not kept)
Aircraft cleanliness : 70% (New smell, tough a bit dirty and worn interior)
Seat Comfort: 70% (Leather seating is comfortable, tough the seat pitch was tight.. Higher rating due to low load factor..)
Crew: 80% (Friendly, professional)
IFE 70%: (good, but a plug in for headphones could have been usefull)
Catering: 70% (Decent, for a flight this length. Presentation was not so good but the taste was)
Arrival: 50% (Lisbon is a very unclear and hard-to-navigate Airport)

SATA Internacional 0129: (Total: 64%)

Departure: 60% (Delay, without any announcements that where made on the ground)
Aircraft cleanliness : 70% (Aircraft was clean en kept clean)
Seat Comfort: 60% (pretty cramped, would be uncomfortable on a longer flight)
Crew: 40% (Not impressed: very cool and disant. Did the job and nothing more.)
IFE : 60% (good, but a plug in for headphones could have been usefull)
Catering: 80% (Decent, food was a bit better than the TAP flight)
Arrival: 80% (Ok, fun to walk on the tarmac for once )


As a bonus I would like to give a list of regs I spotted in BRU, LIS and PDL

BRU:
OO-SCC
OO-DJO
PH-KTS
F-GVLS
OO-VET
CS-TQD
EC-LKH
OO-SFV
I-AIGI

LIS:
CS-TQD
CS-TTS
CS-TOP
CS-TKN
CS-TGU
CS-TKI


PDL
CS-TKN
CS-TGV
CS-TKM

Total facts on this trip
2 New airlines (TAP Air Portugal and SATA Internacional)
2 New airports (Lisbon and Ponta Delgada)
1 New type (A310-300)
2 New registrations (CS-TQD and CS-TKN)

Thank you for viewing! As usual, comments and as feedback are appreciated.

Next trip report:
SATA, the azores and the A310. Part II



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Lufthansa, There Is No Better Way To Fly! (by MSS658 Jul 5 2011 in Trip Reports)
A Short Hop On A Big Bird! (by MSS658 Feb 27 2011 in Trip Reports)
A West Side Flight On The East Side! (by MSS658 Jan 9 2011 in Trip Reports)
Wifi And Condensation On US Airways! (by MSS658 Dec 10 2010 in Trip Reports)
Air Canada, North America's Hidden Jewel? (by MSS658 Nov 6 2010 in Trip Reports)
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US Airways A333's.Are They Really That Bad? Part 2 (by MSS658 Oct 23 2010 in Trip Reports)
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OA260
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:12 pm

Hey Marc ,
What a great flight to get on . Id love to do the A310 myself. I have been looking forward to the photos and thanks for sharing them. This aircraft is becoming rare. Not sure if I like the new livery though.

Look forward to the next part .

Regards

Philip  
 
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:51 pm

Thanks for sharing this nice experience! I remember flying to a cruise with AIDA from Stuttgart to Dubrovnik. The cruise company used to fly almost exclusively charters on Aero Lloyd, but 2 weeks prior to our flight they went bankrupt. AIDA had to organize other flights and we ended in a all white A310 from Hapag Lloyd! What a nice suprise! By the way, there were interesting carriers that day in DBV. They even had to charter planes from Thomas Cook Belgium and Croatia Airlines and so on to get all the people to the ship...

Strange that you got Aviapartner boarding passes. I would have bet SN takes care of TP in BRU, but aparently not...
 
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:55 pm

Good job on getting the A310 there! It certainly looks like neither airline made any waves for those flights, but at least they didn't make any royal screw-ups. I'll be waiting for the finish of this trip...
Good night, and keep watching the skis. Uh, skies.
 
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:07 am

Hi MSS658, thank you for your trip report!  
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:01 am

Hi Marc and happy anniversary - one year A.net today!

Good trip report . It seems both airlines offer basic services without too many frills. But for shortish flights that is all one needs.

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
No headphones and the worst of all, no way to plug them in

I always find that odd: why bother with showing movies if the passengers can't follow the sound?

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
During my galley visit I offered the flight attendants some chocolates as well.

Cool. That's one way to be remembered and win friends.  

I look foreward to the next part.

Regards,
Quokka
 
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:58 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Hey Marc ,
What a great flight to get on . Id love to do the A310 myself. I have been looking forward to the photos and thanks for sharing them. This aircraft is becoming rare. Not sure if I like the new livery though.

Look forward to the next part .

Regards

Philip

Hi Phillip

Thanks for commenting, It was a real treat to get one of these. I can only reccomend to try to get one of these birds while they are still around!

Quoting reifel (Reply 2):
Thanks for sharing this nice experience! I remember flying to a cruise with AIDA from Stuttgart to Dubrovnik. The cruise company used to fly almost exclusively charters on Aero Lloyd, but 2 weeks prior to our flight they went bankrupt. AIDA had to organize other flights and we ended in a all white A310 from Hapag Lloyd! What a nice suprise! By the way, there were interesting carriers that day in DBV. They even had to charter planes from Thomas Cook Belgium and Croatia Airlines and so on to get all the people to the ship...

Strange that you got Aviapartner boarding passes. I would have bet SN takes care of TP in BRU, but aparently not...

HI reifel,

Thanks for commenting, hope you enjoyed it. Haah! you're story proves the fact that good and bad luck can happen at the same time. Jup TP uses Aviapartner. So does SN, not sure about LH,LX,...

Quoting Tigerguy (Reply 3):
Good job on getting the A310 there! It certainly looks like neither airline made any waves for those flights, but at least they didn't make any royal screw-ups. I'll be waiting for the finish of this trip...

Hi Tigeryguy!
Thanks
Yeah, Both flights went ok. However loose from getting an A310. I would reccomend TAP above SATA anyday.

Greetings
Marc

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 4):
Hi MSS658, thank you for your trip report!

Thanks for commenting

Quoting Quokka (Reply 5):
Hi Marc and happy anniversary - one year A.net today!

Good trip report . It seems both airlines offer basic services without too many frills. But for shortish flights that is all one needs.

Thanks for commenting, correct. On short flights like this one only needs a good seat and that's it.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 5):
I always find that odd: why bother with showing movies if the passengers can't follow the sound?

(y)

Quoting Quokka (Reply 5):
Cool. That's one way to be remembered and win friends.

I look foreward to the next part.

Regards,
Quokka

It is, has been a tradition since this flight.



Greetings
Marc
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:17 am

Hey Marc, thanks for sharing! Great job logging the A310, my favorite Airbus type. I hope my Belgian colleagues at BRU were nice! Looking forward to part two.

Best regards,

Martijn
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:44 am

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 7):
Hey Marc, thanks for sharing! Great job logging the A310, my favorite Airbus type. I hope my Belgian colleagues at BRU were nice! Looking forward to part two.

Best regards,

Martijn

Hi Martijn


Hi Martijn

Thanks for commenting. It was fun to finally see this plane in my log! As usual, Aviapartner did a decent job in BRU.


Greetings
Marc
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:19 pm

Hi Mark,

nice little report and of course congratulations for logging an A310, indeed a rare bird nowadays. I had fortunately logged one a couple of years ago with LH, when they were still in service with them. Having just been in Lisbon myself (report will be online soon) it was a pleasure to read your report.

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
or go of path with a similar priced deal on TAP/SATA%u2019s Brussels-Lisbon-Ponta Delgada service.

Good choice, nice to try something a little of the beaten path.

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
I received my boarding passes for both legs, however the check in agent referred the SATA flight as S4 airlines.

That's strange, I guess a check in agent should know the airlines

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
No headphones and the worst of all, no way to plug them in..

Yeah, I found that very strange as well, especially since on my flight they showed some documentaries, pretty pointless if you have no way to listen.

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
Soon after that I started looking trough the window and noticed the city of Lisbon.

This approach is really awesome, great views. I was on this approach as well, but sitting on the other side of the plane. Nice views as well, but missed the center of Lisbon.

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
As an aviation enthiousast, one really needs to visit the aviation shop pre-security in Lisbon’s terminal 1.

I missed that one, shame, but next time.

Now looking forward to read the second part, hope you include some pictures of the Azores as well.

Thanks
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:34 pm

Hi Marc,

If you're going to catch the A310, you might as well find the most interesting way to do it. Sata to Ponte Delgada, great stuff.

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
‘haaa, you are going to take some pictures’ was his reply.

Not the best reply, but not the worst either!

Please post some pictures of the Azores in part 2, would love to see them!

Happy flying
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:29 pm

Nice report. I've aleways wanted to go to the Azores - look like a great place. Service on TP looked rather limited. I'm booked to fly LIS-BRU in January, but in C on SN. Glad you managed to catch the A310, and on a rare airline as well!
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:10 pm

Hi Marc,

nice report about SATA's A310, definitely a very interesting bird.

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
Where as the A310, B753 and MD11. I had flown the summer before on the KLM MD11 between Amsterdam and Montreal. So this would leave only 2 desired aircraft types.

Only one desired type left now?

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
As I was with skyteam the CSA 310 on the PRG-JFK route always looked attractive to me.

I flew PRG-JFK on OK's A310, was an nice experience. It wasn't my first A310 flight, but the most interesting one.

JFK For 1 Day: Transatlantic Hop On CSA's A310 (by PlaneHunter Apr 9 2008 in Trip Reports)

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
CS-TQD and named Eugenio de Adriande

Slight correction: It's "Engénio de Andrade".

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
especially by skytrax..

Well, I don't trust Skytrax any more. Many comments are ridiculous.

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
OO-SCC
OO-DJO
PH-KTS
F-GVLS
OO-VET
CS-TQD
EC-LKH
OO-SFV
I-AIGI

As a die-hard registration hunter, I have to contradict .   It should be OO-SSC, PH-KZS and I-AIGJ. As for F-GVLS - that's a Cessna. I guess you saw an Air France plane?


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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:34 pm

Hi Marc,

Nice report and pictures, can't think of a better excuse to fly than to catch a new machine, good call!

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
The meal on this flight consisted of a hot dog, while presentation was not superb. It was nice to get a hot meal and some free booze during a short 2,5 hour flight between Brussels and Lisbon

- Looks better than the rubbish TP served in C between LIS & LHR earlier in the year.

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
I was quite amazed to see all those A310’s here in Lisbon knowing it is quite a rare type

- It's amazing that LIS is quite an A310 mecca.

The A310 looks great inside, the big old economy seats, ah the good old days!  

Cheers

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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:59 pm

Hi Marc.

Great tripreport, a truly enjoyable read.

I'm jealous of your flight on the A310! I've been looking for options to fly the A310 and/or A300 before they are gone from European skies, as I have flown on neither. No booking made so far though.

Service looked decent on the two airlines, but indeed the legroom on TAP looked bad, especially when the seat ahead of you is reclined.

I will surely visit that aviation shop if I ever get down to LIS!  

Martin

[Edited 2011-10-17 09:00:15]
 
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:21 pm

Hola Marc!

Thanks a lot for this interesting TR.

It seems Lisbon is the place to go if you want to catch one of those rare birds, not many still around.

I am amazed to see that TP and S4 still offer some food, which by the way, does not look bad on board...

Salut!

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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:16 pm

Hi Marc

Thanks for posting, I've been looking forward to this one. Considering its age the A310 doesn't look that bad actually, very classy and old school. As I'm flying to LIS with TAP in January can I just ask: what exactly was that they gave you to eat and was it any good?

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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:43 pm

Hi, Marc,

interesting story and pictures.
Congrats to catch the A310, sure not easy these days.
Also the TAP flight looks like ok.
So I will go for this shop, when I´am in LIS the next time!.

Greetings,
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:48 am

Hi Marc,

A very interesting story on SATA and the A310. I wonder what took you so long to post this report, your flight dating back from Feb? Your backlog is even bigger than Markus’   Good to see some familiar things (BRU!), and do you know what the Air Italy bird was doing there? A sub for Alitalia to Rome or Milan maybe?

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
When I booked online I could not enter my Continental OnePass number, after making a phone call to the TAP office my number was entered.

In the beginning I questioned myself if this was to any purpose but in the end I saw the answer: no. Does SATA qualify for OnePass miles??

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
“Ponta wadda???”

Your ‘Westvlaamse’ roots coming out?

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
for the mini walk to the A-terminal

You call that a ‘mini walk’, I call that a serious-much-too-long walk  

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
and the special Portuguese cake desert.

Let me guess: ‘Pasteis de Belem’? Delicious   

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
and according to my friend in the aviation store TKN is special because it is the only SATA A310 with PW engines.

That’s an interesting fact, the others are RR powered then?

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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:09 am

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 9):
Hi Mark,

nice little report and of course congratulations for logging an A310, indeed a rare bird nowadays. I had fortunately logged one a couple of years ago with LH, when they were still in service with them. Having just been in Lisbon myself (report will be online soon) it was a pleasure to read your report.

Hey CaptainRed

Thanks for commenting, It was a pleasure to log the A310. I have already found you're LIS report and already have replied.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 9):
Good choice, nice to try something a little of the beaten path.

We have to be brave sometimes  
Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 9):
That's strange, I guess a check in agent should know the airlines

I guess S4 is just one of these airlines you don't hear about to often in BRU

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 9):
Yeah, I found that very strange as well, especially since on my flight they showed some documentaries, pretty pointless if you have no way to listen.
Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 9):
This approach is really awesome, great views. I was on this approach as well, but sitting on the other side of the plane. Nice views as well, but missed the center of Lisbon.
Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 9):
I missed that one, shame, but next time.

Now looking forward to read the second part, hope you include some pictures of the Azores as well.

Always a reason to fly back, Second part will include a review of Sao Miguel Island

Quoting infodesk (Reply 10):
Hi Marc,

If you're going to catch the A310, you might as well find the most interesting way to do it. Sata to Ponte Delgada, great stuff.

Hi Hannah,
Thanks for your comment! As you say, we have to make the best of it.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 11):
Nice report. I've aleways wanted to go to the Azores - look like a great place. Service on TP looked rather limited. I'm booked to fly LIS-BRU in January, but in C on SN. Glad you managed to catch the A310, and on a rare airline as well!

Hi Gabriel
Thanks for replying! TP has a limited but a decent service (the meal is free) in Y IMO (or at least better than it's US counterparts). Jup flying the A310 was a real treat, must agree!. Enjoy our hometown carrier in january!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Hi Marc,

nice report about SATA's A310, definitely a very interesting bird.

I can only reccomend trying them out, prices can be a bit on the high side. But getting around in the Azores will compensate the high fare as life is not expensive over there.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Only one desired type left now?

In the meanwhile added by the A346, B74'classic, ARJ,...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
I flew PRG-JFK on OK's A310, was an nice experience. It wasn't my first A310 flight, but the most interesting one.

Remember reading that one, nice that you got that ride.  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Slight correction: It's "Engénio de Andrade".

Thanks.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Well, I don't trust Skytrax any more. Many comments are ridiculous.

I have found out to think the same about Skytrax   !

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
As a die-hard registration hunter, I have to contradict . It should be OO-SSC, PH-KZS and I-AIGJ. As for F-GVLS - that's a Cessna. I guess you saw an Air France plane?

Ouch, Ouch, Ouch... I guess one of the bad aspects of working on a TR at 1.00 am :s Thanks for the corrections anyway  
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 13):
Hi Marc,

Nice report and pictures, can't think of a better excuse to fly than to catch a new machine, good call!

Hi Mark, thanks for your comment!

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 13):
- Looks better than the rubbish TP served in C between LIS & LHR earlier in the year.

Can't believe the Y-food is better than C  
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 13):
It's amazing that LIS is quite an A310 mecca.

The A310 looks great inside, the big old economy seats, ah the good old days!

Was surprised by the large amount of A310's as well. brought back a nostalgic feeling!!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 14):
Hi Marc.

Great tripreport, a truly enjoyable read.

I'm jealous of your flight on the A310! I've been looking for options to fly the A310 and/or A300 before they are gone from European skies, as I have flown on neither. No booking made so far though.

Service looked decent on the two airlines, but indeed the legroom on TAP looked bad, especially when the seat ahead of you is reclined.

I will surely visit that aviation shop if I ever get down to LIS!

Hi Martin, thanks for commenting! I can only recommend you book an A300 or A310 flight before they are gone. My only complaint was indeed the legroom on TAP.

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 15):
Hola Marc!

Thanks a lot for this interesting TR.

It seems Lisbon is the place to go if you want to catch one of those rare birds, not many still around.

I am amazed to see that TP and S4 still offer some food, which by the way, does not look bad on board...

Salut!

Roger

Hi Roger

Thanks for you're comment! I can only agree with your reply.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 16):
Hi Marc

Thanks for posting, I've been looking forward to this one. Considering its age the A310 doesn't look that bad actually, very classy and old school. As I'm flying to LIS with TAP in January can I just ask: what exactly was that they gave you to eat and was it any good?

Cheers,
William

Hi William

Thanks for replying! Must agree with your comment over the 310. The meal that I got on TAP shoud present a hot dog and a small cake! The meal was better than it's presentation!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 17):
Hi, Marc,

interesting story and pictures.
Congrats to catch the A310, sure not easy these days.
Also the TAP flight looks like ok.
So I will go for this shop, when I´am in LIS the next time!.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)

Hi Markus
Thanks for your reply. I'm glad as well to catch one of these birds as well. TAP does have a pretty decent product.
I can only recommend the shop!

Greetings
Marc
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:28 am

Hi Marc!

Thanks for a nice trip report with nice pictures !

Great choice of carrier as SATA is not covered very much here. I flew TP ARN-LIS and also noticed that the legroom wasn't thaat great (i'm 180cm). Service was pretty good though.

I haven't read much positive about Sata in previous reports so this is not a surprise.

I have flown A310 four times on three different airlines; SQ A210-200 SIN-KUL, EK 313 MNL-HKG, LH 313 CDG-FRA and SQ 313 MLE-SIN 2Jul02. Nice short plane.

Looking forward to part 2!

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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:11 am

Quoting sultanils (Reply 18):
i Marc,

A very interesting story on SATA and the A310. I wonder what took you so long to post this report, your flight dating back from Feb? Your backlog is even bigger than Markus’ Good to see some familiar things (BRU!), and do you know what the Air Italy bird was doing there? A sub for Alitalia to Rome or Milan maybe?

Hi Nils
Thanks for commenting. Had bad luck with my Internet connection between March and June, so that explains a bit of the delay. The Air Italy bird was at the T-gates. Maybe a sub for SN??

Quoting sultanils (Reply 18):
In the beginning I questioned myself if this was to any purpose but in the end I saw the answer: no. Does SATA qualify for OnePass miles??

ticket was op TAP and all flights have TAP numbers (TAP does qualify for Onepass)

Quoting sultanils (Reply 18):
Your ‘Westvlaamse’ roots coming out?

And that for an Oostvlaming  
Quoting sultanils (Reply 18):
You call that a ‘mini walk’, I call that a serious-much-too-long walk

héhé

Quoting sultanils (Reply 18):
Let me guess: ‘Pasteis de Belem’? Delicious

A real delight!!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 18):
That’s an interesting fact, the others are RR powered then?

no CS-TKM/TGU/TGV are CF6 powered

Quoting The777Man (Reply 20):
Hi Marc!

Thanks for a nice trip report with nice pictures !

Great choice of carrier as SATA is not covered very much here. I flew TP ARN-LIS and also noticed that the legroom wasn't thaat great (i'm 180cm). Service was pretty good though.

I haven't read much positive about Sata in previous reports so this is not a surprise.

I have flown A310 four times on three different airlines; SQ A210-200 SIN-KUL, EK 313 MNL-HKG, LH 313 CDG-FRA and SQ 313 MLE-SIN 2Jul02. Nice short plane.

Looking forward to part 2!

The777Man

Hi Lars

Thanks for commenting. Must agree on your comments of TAP and SATA, exactly my opinion. Nice to see some airbus flights in your log as well  

Greetings
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:09 pm

Hello Marc ,

Great Trip Report you have written . I often fly with TAP , from FRA to LIS and back and always had great flights with TAP .
No reason for me to complain . S4 is for a carrier I´ll have to try in the future .


[quote=Quoting Marc : I noticed my Continental Onepass number was not on both boarding passes
[/quote]


The same thing also happens to me sometimes . But I try to get things sorted out .

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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:10 pm

Hi Marc,

Brilliant. What a great adventure to catch an A310. Your report brings back the nice memory when I visited LIS five years ago.

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
Especially them not liking enthusiasts and Photographers… hmmm was it a good choice?? Let’s see..

Very good that your experience proved the otherwise.

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
Soon I went over to the gate agent to get things sorted out, after some typing she assured me that my frequent flier number was entered.

A good advice in case you are not frequent flyer memver of an airline you are flying.

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
‘haaa, you are going to take some pictures’ was his reply.

That is more I like it.   


Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
Soon a man came who occupied seat 20D. He asked me if it was 20C, and I replied negative. And he re seated him in his correct seat, result I had a 3-seater for myself

Well done, Marc!

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
I suggest anyone with a long transfer in LIS should visit this store.

I did not notice the shop when we were there, but good to know for next time.

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
A real delicatesse…

Especially the dessert cake!

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
Due to my lack of Portuguese my neighbours helped with the translation.

How nice! Did you all become friends?


Thanks for sharing. Obrigado.

Best wishes,
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:40 pm

Hello MSS658

What a nice way to catch the A310!

Looking forward to reading about your return flight.

Best regards,
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:06 pm

Portugal is very backward with old planes like 310. But I hear SATA is very old and bad. So your report is accurate. Very good trip about the store. I must stop by when I go to Lisbon.
 
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RE: SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I

Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:47 am

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 22):
Hello Marc ,

Great Trip Report you have written . I often fly with TAP , from FRA to LIS and back and always had great flights with TAP .
No reason for me to complain . S4 is for a carrier I´ll have to try in the future .


[quote=Quoting Marc : I noticed my Continental Onepass number was not on both boarding passes

The same thing also happens to me sometimes . But I try to get things sorted out .

Daniel[/quote]

Hi Daniel
Thanks for your reply and welcome to A.net  . TAP is a great carrier that I would opt to chose anytime  , S4 concerning, unless you are an aviation enthiousast who is dying to catch the 310 they are not worth the expercience  .
Good to know that LH M&M also have problems in the TAP system.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
Hi Marc,

Brilliant. What a great adventure to catch an A310. Your report brings back the nice memory when I visited LIS five years ago.

Hi Suryo
Thanks

Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
Very good that your experience proved the otherwise.

(Y)

Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
A good advice in case you are not frequent flyer memver of an airline you are flying.

was one of the only downside, only got miles for my LIS-BRU sector on the return

Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
That is more I like it.

(Y)

Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
I did not notice the shop when we were there, but good to know for next time.

Really should go there once  .

Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
Especially the dessert cake!

I get hungry everytime I read this report again  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 23):
How nice! Did you all become friends?


Thanks for sharing. Obrigado.

Best wishes,
Suryo

Unafortunaly, the conversation stopped there  
Quoting LXM83 (Reply 24):
Hello MSS658

What a nice way to catch the A310!

Looking forward to reading about your return flight.

Best regards,
LXM83

Hi LXM83

Thank you, We might do it all the way  
Quoting paris380 (Reply 25):
Portugal is very backward with old planes like 310. But I hear SATA is very old and bad. So your report is accurate. Very good trip about the store. I must stop by when I go to Lisbon

Hi paris380

Thanks for replying! Was quite surprised about all the 310's in LIS. SATA concerning I must agree, except the fact of catching an A310 they are nothing to write home about!

Greetings
Marc
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