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El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:49 pm

Introduction

Mistake fares - something which the airlines hate for obvious reasons, the consumers love for obvious reasons and various consumer rights protection agencies try very hard to make the airlines to honor for obvious reasons. Love ‘em or hate ‘em (I love) - they happen from time to time. So when Lufthansa posted their infamous one for travel between Scandinavia & Finland and Venezuela/Colombia I didn’t really think at all - just booked something cheap for a time period that I could probably use some vacation days for.

As mentioned the choice of destinations was basically Bogota in Colombia, Caracas in Venezuela or some of the lesser cities in these countries (for a bit more money). Now being on the right end of the political spectrum Venezuela and Mr. Chavez’s clown socialism didn’t really appeal to me (and besides they probably would’ve turned me right back at the border anyway) so it had to be Colombia instead!

With the mistake fare straightforward connections via FRA to BOG would’ve only been 250 EUR for a roundtrip, but since the fare rules allowed it, I added two additional stops (and flights of course as well) which brought the whole LH itinerary to HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG-FRA-MUC-HEL, with the HEL-ARN segment being of course operated by SK under a LH codeshare. This itinerary cost a hair under 300 EUR. A nice bonus was that the long haul segments would be operated with the A340-600, my first flights with the type!

Now one of the interesting things of traveling to a new country (and continent!) is the possibility to try out some local carriers, so I did some searching on domestic flights in Colombia. Luckily the country has a very developed air transport network (well, considering the terrain and the lack of decent land transport routes it is not really a surprise!) with quite a lot of competition around keeping fares affordable. I quickly settled for Medellin, Colombia’s second city and decided to spend a night there. There are at least three carriers competing on the BOG-MDE route and out of these I picked up Avianca and Aires.

Avianca had a nice mid-morning flight with their new ex-Mexicana A318s - a rare type which I’ve only flown once before (with Tarom) so that was a good choice (that particular flight was still operated by a F100 when I looked the first time, but they have now retired that type, a shame!). Booking at the Avianca website the fare was around 60 EUR, but a few days later they contacted me saying that my reservation was cancelled as my credit card had been refused (I guess that doesn’t match my usual spending pattern...). Oh well, I could book the same flight via Expedia so it was not a big deal, although I ended up paying 10 EUR more for it...

Aires on the other hand worked fine booking via their website. The mid-afternoon flight the next day cost around 55 EUR, not too shabby.

Here’s the route:

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Finally I advised fellow global traveler and a.netter gabrielchew on this fare and a bit later he came back with the delightful news that he had taken advantage of it as well, although opting out to fly a bit earlier than me but joining me there in Colombia and flying on the same flights back (including coming to HEL with me).

Thursday 20.10.2011

This trip doesn’t get into a good start - first of all I manage only to get boarding passes for the HEL-ARN and FRA-BOG flights with a combination of OLCI and self service kiosk while passing through the airport the previous day. Since SAS and Lufthansa handle each other’s check in in Scandinavia and Germany (but not Finland anymore!) and their system’s aren’t compatible this is always such a hassle when having mixed itineraries on both carriers. Secondly while sitting in the bus to the airport I notice that my camera doesn’t want to play ball with the memory card any more - bugger!

So at the airport once through the fast track security I head directly to the electronics shop, luckily right opposite the SAS lounge. The guy tries the same things as I did but concludes that nope, doesn’t look good. So no other choice than to purchase some new memory cards, luckily they are running a special offer that’s not too much of a rip off and I walk over to the lounge holding a shiny new double pack of cards in my hand.

Not too many people any more in the lounge - the normal morning rush hour has already passed:

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Some yummy pancakes and maple syrup:

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I fix up the camera with a new card and am happy to see it working fine (well I guess the photos above already confirmed that!).

Finavia has updated the FIDS - now they show approximate walking (well, judging from the figures more like crawling - handy for those late night flights) times to the gates



I head to the gate a bit early to see the expected MD-82:

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My 2nd flight on “Ingjald Viking”, who despite being over 25 years old doesn’t look too shabby at all - that’s SAS for you:

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Boarding is called around fifteen minutes before departure, once again with me being among the first ones to board.

HEL - ARN
SK703
MD-82 LN-ROT “Ingjald Viking”
Seat 10F
9.29 - 9.20

Stepping onboard I say “Good morning!” to the waiting purser who responds “Huomenta!” so I just have to add “God morgon!” as well - it never harms to be extra polite!

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Four rows of business class on this flight with three passengers, and a further five rows of economy extra with five passengers. I’m seated on the first row of economy, with the economy cabin appearing to be competely full.

AY cattle truck next to us:

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Boarding is very orderly and quick, and push back is a minute early for this 50 minute hop to ARN.

Take off is from 22R a bit later.

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I like the way some wisps of mist are still remaining on the ground:

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The Åland islands, too bad the capital of Mariehamn (and well, the only town there actually) is covered by those clouds on the left:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Helsinki_Departure_11.jpg

A ferry leaving Mariehamn for Sweden:

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Not many people are interested in the BOB service, including me.

Descending towards Arlanda, notice our shadow surrounded by a halo on the cloud:

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Landing is on runway 26 after a quick 40 minutes of flight.

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Stockholm Arlanda Airport

After getting out of the plane I make my way towards the SAS transfer desk, where a very friendly girl soon prints me a boarding pass and says that she cannot do it for the FRA-BOG leg. I tell her that I already have one for that so everything is fine. I get a sequence number of 123 and see from the seatmap on her computer that the last row is completely empty - so make a mental note to ask for a seat there at the gate.

Then I go upstairs to the Scandinavian lounge. The lady at the reception is wearing a yellow badge saying “SAS Rock’n’Roll” so after registering myself I ask “So your name is Rock’n’Roll?” - “Yes, that’s my name!”. Gotta love these laid back people here!

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Just a half an hour to spend here, enough for some wifi and drinks before heading to the gate. Strangely the boarding time has already passed but nothing’s happening - I saw the tail of the plane from the lounge so the inbound is already here.

Over at the gate I ask from one of the gate agents if row 30 is still empty and after learning that it indeed is get my seat changed to 30F.

The letters on the tail confirm this bird as D-AIQE, a new one for me.

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Boarding is soon called, I’m the second passenger to board after an old man in a wheelchair on his way all the way to SFO.

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ARN - FRA
LH802
A320 D-AIQE “Gera”
Seat 30F
11.10 - 12.58

The new seats on this bird, meaning a good legroom and hiding the fact that this bird is around 15 years old:

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As expected the last row stays just for me, albeit after boarding is completed for a quite good load factor of around 80% an FA tells a couple of large Swedish guys on the penultimate row that they are free to move to 30ABC for some more comfort which they promptly do.

Ahh, the elusive E175 (and some menacing clouds) next to us:

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Then nothing happens for a while, until around a quarter after our SDT the captain comes on, welcomes everyone onboard and tells the bad news - apparently Frankfurt has some really low clouds and bad weather today which has caused a reduction in the traffic flow and the subsequent ATC restrictions. For us that means that we have a take off slot around fifty five minutes from now, at 11.38! He concludes with “We know about your connecting flights, and maybe with the restrictions those flights are delayed as well!”

The crew performs a drinks run on the ground - a nice idea:

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An appropriate photo on the inflight mag from the cockpit of LH542 FRA-BOG, the flight I’ll be taking in a few hours:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Arlanda_12.jpg


Only 20 minutes later the captain is back with the good news that there has been an improvement in the situation and we have a new take off slot at 11.18, or around fifteen minutes from now. The drink service is stopped - I’m not sure if everybody got their drink or not, trash is hastily collected, the engines started and push back initiated 40 minutes late.

My inbound plane being serviced for her next leg:

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Sistership coming in from Munich:

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Cute, a football field near the fire training plane:

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Must have a 717 in a report - arriving from HEL:

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Eight minutes later, exactly at our new slot time we take off from 19R:

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A grand looking mansion:

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I believe this is the bustling metropolis of Vesterås, Jonas can you confirm:

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This must be “spot the mistakes in the LH inflight mag” week:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Enroute_to_Frankfurt_2.jpg

Linköping with its two airports clearly visible - I’ll be passing through the other one in December:

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Service soon commences and this time I’m getting a small dejavu from Phil’s BMI reports as we are handed out Monty’s hot wraps:

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Very good actually, far better than your usual sandwich although that expiration date sure is far off - I bet it is laden with preservatives:

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I first thought this was the Öresund bridge but it turned out that we were quite a bit further in our route than I thought - this is the Great Belt Bridge in Denmark:

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1h10mins into the flight while overflying HAJ the captain announces our descent to FRA. Indeed the clouds seem to be hanging out very low:

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Even the Bankfurt skyscrapers are hard to see:

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We land on runway 25C after a flight time of 1h40mins.

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Great livery on this Air Transat bird:

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Wouldn’t be FRA without the obligatory LH A388 surrounded by other widebodies:

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This time we end up with an apron stand in front of T2, pretty good actually since my flight will go out of B and if we had a jetway we would be somewhere in A, whereas the Schengen bus arrivals go to B - handy for me!

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Some people with tight connections got this special treatment:

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Frankfurt Airport

Once out of the bus I make a beeline for the passport control. Only a couple of people there so through in a jiffy, the very bored officer gives one quick stare at my passport and sends me on my merry way.

The BOG flight is not posting any delay and being late I decide to skip the planned visit to the new Senator lounge near the C gates as it is just too far away and instead shoot a photo of my ride to come at the gate - such a beauty:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Frankfurt_Departure_1.jpg

Luckily the LH business lounge is right over the gate, so at least I have time to head there:

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Not too packed as usually:

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Some nice minestrone soup hits the spot nicely, especially when garnished with generous amounts of Tabasco (wish they had the Chipotle one!):

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Soon enough the flight is boarding and I head back downstairs to queue at the self boarding gate - the regular one has a far longer queue:

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Oh, so “Wiesbaden” aka. D-AIHH it is. The same bird that took Gabriel to Colombia five days earlier - of course a new registration to me:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Frankfurt_Departure_6.jpg

In the jetway I first see some Finns and a Swedish family who were on the ARN flight as well - wonder if they are taking advantage of the cheap fare as well.

FRA - BOG
LH542
A340-600 D-AIHH “Wiesbaden”
Seat 58A
14.40 - 18.17

A friendly crew welcomes me on board on door 2L.

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I had reserved a seat on the last row when booking and even the prior day when doing OLCI it was still showing an empty seat next to me. Well, I’m a bit disappointed to see a girl sitting on the aisle seat when I reach it, but well, what can you do. She turned out to be quite nice actually, a Southafrican who frequently travels to South America for work and we chat on and off during the flight.

There actually is an empty seat on the last row, but it is the middle seat on the middle block of three. That’s pretty much the only empty one I see, but there might be some others further up

View from my seat:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Frankfurt_Departure_8.jpg

The legroom is tolerable:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Frankfurt_Departure_9.jpg

How many Jumbos can you count in this picture:

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The pair of seats ahead of me plus some others nearby turn out to be occupied by more Finns - later on I chat some with them and of course they are here just because of that special fare... I bet there’s been quite a surge of travel between the Nordics and Colombia this fall!

The friendly captain makes a welcome speech, expecting us to be early into Bogota thanks to some nice favorable tailwinds. The flight time is expected to be around 10h15mins.

The purser is quite amazing, he makes all of his announcements in impeccable (well as far as I can understand certain languages) German, Spanish, French and English. There are quite a few Latino-looking crewmembers onboard as well, very much appreciated by the many Spanish speaking passengers, I’m sure.

Push back is ten minutes behind schedule. I don’t really like the PrivatAir colors:

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Well, this if FRA so a bit of a queue for take off, but good for watching planes. Here’s one for Nils:

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Good to see Baltic in town:

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The Sibir green livery is so refreshing:

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Take off is from the same runway I landed on a bit earlier:

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Runway 18:

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The Rhine:

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Heading towards France:

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Apart from checking the movies on offer and listening to the music a bit I actually kept the IFE on airshow all throughout the flight. Who needs more entertainment than that?

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It’s a long way to Tipperary:

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Service soon starts with drinks and some snacks - yeah, I just had to have a G&T:

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CDG:

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Some traffic:

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Leaving Europe behind near Nantes:

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Sun glimmering off the Bay of Biscay:

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Soon the first meal service commences. I’m not given any choice so I guess they ran out of the alternative by the time they got to the last row:

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It’s beef goulash with polenta and some vegetables, a starter salad, some bread and cheese and a a piece of almond/nut cake for dessert. Very very tasty, well done LH!

Well, the second to seventh hours of this flight are quite boring as basically there’s nothing to see but the Atlantic out of the window. Luckily I’ve got plenty of reading material and some movies and music on my Ipod to keep me busy. Time for a toilet visit - downstairs of course (there were quite a lot of confused pax heading towards the back galley searching for toilets):



A small self service bar downstairs next to the toilets - no booze here:

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A lot of people congregate in the mid galley on top of the stairs from the toilet - I guess that would be technically illegal on flights to the US but here nobody cares. I also notice a large bunch of Romanian middle aged men standing there and taking advantage of the considerably better stocked self service cart there - not exactly the kind of group I’d assumed to be traveling to Colombia in the first place... Well, if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em - so I grab a glass of wine from the cart when heading back to my seat.

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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:51 pm

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Enroute_to_Bogota_11.jpg

Strange - according to this map there should be large white letters visible from my window:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Enroute_to_Bogota_12.jpg

But there’s only water and clouds:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Enroute_to_Bogota_13.jpg

I grab a nice nap of a couple of hours - hits the spot nicely. There’s no mid flight snack like on Gabriel’s flight or maybe I missed it while asleep - not that I’d really wanted anything. Frequent water and juice runs are done by the crew all throughout the flight, and if you ask they bring you whatever drinks you fancy.

By the time I wake up from my beauty sleep we are nearing the Caribbean:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Enroute_to_Bogota_14.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Enroute_to_Bogota_15.jpg

We fly directly over the 51st state - Puerto Rico - well that’s the only island I really see:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Enroute_to_Bogota_16.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Enroute_to_Bogota_17.jpg

Then it is time for the second meal service - the choices are chicken or pasta. I go for the chicken which turns out to be the same dish Gabriel got:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Enroute_to_Bogota_18.jpg

It’s chicken in honey-chili sauce with wild rice. Again a very tasty dish and I eat all of it with good appetite.

Hey, its South America - a new continent for me:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Enroute_to_Bogota_19.jpg

This is the Paraguaná Peninsula, sticking up into the Caribbean just south of Aruba and belonging to Venezuela.

One of the largest oil refineries in the world near the city of Punto Fijo on the peninsula:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Enroute_to_Bogota_20.jpg

Cloudy over the continent:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Enroute_to_Bogota_21.jpg

Almost there:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Enroute_to_Bogota_22.jpg

The sun sets quickly, so for the approach into Bogota there aren’t many views to be had:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Bogota_Approach_1.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Bogota_Approach_2.jpg

Landing is on runway 13L a nice 50 minutes early - total flight time around 10h20mins. Breaking is very heavy, the whole plane is shaking like crazy but we still use up the whole of the runway.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Bogota_Approach_3.jpg

A very slow taxi follows to the international pier, followed by quite a wait for a jetway and deboarding. They actually put up some stairs on the back door which have me hoping that we can use both exits but unfortunately an announcement is made that these are not for passenger use. The cleaning crew is actually already waiting down on the apron.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Bogota_Approach_4.jpg

Looks like they are building a new terminal over there:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Bogota_Approach_5.jpg

The business class seats - looks like they had quite a few empty ones:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Bogota_Approach_6.jpg

Finally out of the plane it is a bit of a race towards immigration.

Bogota Eldorado Airport

Unfortunately there are quite a few international arrivals lately, so the queues are long:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Bogota_Approach_7.jpg

Pretty much all the immigration counters are open, but it still ends up taking at least half an hour to get through. At customs a bored looking woman takes my declaration form and directs me to X-ray my luggage - nobody seems to care much though. Afterwards I exchange some Pesos at one of the many exchange counters (you have to give your thumbprint when doing so - weird!) and head outside to look for the official taxi counter.

They have a nice system here to avoid people getting ripped off - you go to a taxi counter, state your destination (easier said than done considering the weird local address system, more on that later), they give you a printout with the address and the amount of money it will cost which you then give to the taxi driver and in the end pay that amount.

So I do that and end up with a nice older man who has serious problems finding my hotel (which is nowhere near the airport despite Google Maps and the hotel website stating otherwise). We stop in two different ones to ask directions before finding the proper one - well the hotel is called “Royal Embassy Hotel” (overstatement of the year!) so first he stops at “Embassy Park Hotel” and then “Royal Something Hotel” and asks for directions at both before finally getting it right. Mind you that all these hotels are within five blocks or so of each other! A nice guy, he refuses any extra despite the running around in circles and only charges what was agreed - wow, if only taxi drivers in Italy were like this!

Well, the hotel turns out to be quite a disaster - interaction with the staff is very hard as their English is limited to around three words (this is one thing that surprised me about Colombia, somehow I assumed English to be more widely spoken!), the promised wifi doesn’t work at all and my room looks snazzy but is very basic and freezing. At least it wasn’t too expensive at 40 EUR and since I’m far too tired I just crash there.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Bogota_Approach_8.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Bogota_Approach_9.jpg

Breakfast the next morning:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Bogota_Approach_10.jpg

View from my room window:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Bogota_Approach_11.jpg

The street in front of the hotel:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Bogota_Approach_12.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/FlyingFinn_photo/Colombia_10_2011/Part_1/Bogota_Approach_13.jpg

This report ends here. The second part will cover my domestic flights in Colombia with Avianca and Aires and the beautiful city of Medellin.

Conclusions

A very nice experience on LH longhaul. The food was excellent, the A346 such a nice plane with rather good comfort, the crew extremely jolly and service minded and drinks free flowing (hear hear SAS and Iberia!) with an extremely generous pour for Gin! The IFE was a bit lacking especially on the movie selection, but then again I’m perfectly happy with my own stuff and an airshow so I’m easy to please! Last time I flew LH longhaul was back in 2005 with the 747, back then there were no PTVs on those birds, so this is a definitive improvement.

Considering the European carriers flying to BOG are AF, IB and LH I’m pretty sure LH is by far the best choice. Of all the carriers on the route Avianca might give it its money’s worth, though.
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:27 pm

Hola P.!

Delighted to read the first part of your adventure to Colombia.

I think LH performs pretty well on these Transatlantic flights. Although not many carriers fly to BOG directly from Europe I imagine competence to be fierce and probably prices play a great role here; considering the money one pays to fly I assume LH to be the best from the ones mentioned in your trip report.

Your report is as interesting and well-written as the European ones. Great job!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 1):
according to this map there should be large white letters visible from my window:

I think you did not look too carefully, I have seen them many times      

I love A346, so far the best aircraft I have flown long-haul. By the way, you keep flying the same planes I have some time before; D-AIHH took me from YVR to FRA back in March 2008. It is one of those LH A346 without a First class section, isn't it? At least there was none when I was on board.

Looking forward to reading the coming sectors.

Salut!

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Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:31 pm

Great to see your report up!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Finally I advised fellow global traveler and a.netter gabrielchew on this fare and a bit later he came back with the delightful news that he had taken advantage of it as well, although opting out to fly a bit earlier than me but joining me there in Colombia and flying on the same flights back (including coming to HEL with me).

I hope I was delightful to travel with!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
After getting out of the plane I make my way towards the SAS transfer desk, where a very friendly girl soon prints me a boarding pass and says that she cannot do it for the FRA-BOG leg. I tell her that I already have one for that so everything is fine. I get a sequence number of 123 and see from the seatmap on her computer that the last row is completely empty - so make a mental note to ask for a seat there at the gate.

What a mess SK/LH have with check ins

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Only 20 minutes later the captain is back with the good news that there has been an improvement in the situation and we have a new take off slot at 11.18, or around fifteen minutes from now. The drink service is stopped - I’m not sure if everybody got their drink or not, trash is hastily collected, the engines started and push back initiated 40 minutes late.

Nice that they tried to serve stuff on the ground - an early slot is always a potential threat though

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Service soon commences and this time I’m getting a small dejavu from Phil’s BMI reports as we are handed out Monty’s hot wraps:

Looks better than what we had ARN-MUC

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Soon enough the flight is boarding and I head back downstairs to queue at the self boarding gate - the regular one has a far longer queue:

Looks a lot more civilised than my BOG boarding

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Service soon starts with drinks and some snacks - yeah, I just had to have a G&T:

Glad to see you enjoying a G&T!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Strange - according to this map there should be large white letters visible from my window:

Haha

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Then it is time for the second meal service - the choices are chicken or pasta. I go for the chicken which turns out to be the same dish Gabriel got:

Good choice!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Unfortunately there are quite a few international arrivals lately, so the queues are long:

Bad timing for you
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Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:36 pm

WOW what an amazing fare ! No wonder you took it . I cant get to ATH from DUB for that  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Service soon commences and this time I’m getting a small dejavu from Phil’s BMI reports as we are handed out Monty’s hot wraps:

LOL... yeah they have been popping up everything. No recession in that company . LH/BD must get a bulk deal.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Great livery on this Air Transat bird:

Do they only have one in that livery ? If so its the one I saw in DUB in the Summer.

Really impressed by the meals on LH Y . Really upped their game it seems with the PTVs also .

Look forward to the next part.

Regards

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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:40 pm

Hey there P, great report. I've quite been looking forward to reading it!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Now being on the right end of the political spectrum Venezuela and Mr. Chavez’s clown socialism didn’t really appeal to me (and besides they probably would’ve turned me right back at the border anyway) so it had to be Colombia instead!

Hehe, I really like this Chavez guy. He's a funny man! Too bad about his cancer though...

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
A nice bonus was that the long haul segments would be operated with the A340-600, my first flights with the type!

Wow, not everyday we hear you making an addition to your log.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
(including coming to HEL with me)

Did he crash on your couch?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Some yummy pancakes and maple syrup:

Looks very nice, didn't know SAS offered hot items in their lounges.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
My 2nd flight on “Ingjald Viking”, who despite being over 25 years old doesn’t look too shabby at all - that’s SAS for you:

Would you look at that, I flew on that plane this summer down to DLM.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Not many people are interested in the BOB service, including me.

Didn't they offer any free coffee? SAS introduced that earlier this month... At least what they claimed.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The lady at the reception is wearing a yellow badge saying “SAS Rock’n’Roll” so after registering myself I ask “So your name is Rock’n’Roll?” - “Yes, that’s my name!”. Gotta love these laid back people here!

Hehe, also noticed the woman wearing a yellow name tag, didn't bother noticing the name, lol.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The crew performs a drinks run on the ground - a nice idea:

I thought they only reserved the bottles for Business Class?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
A grand looking mansion:

I believe the king lives there. Drottningholms slott.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The BOG flight is not posting any delay and being late I decide to skip the planned visit to the new Senator lounge near the C gates as it is just too far away and instead shoot a photo of my ride to come at the gate - such a beauty:

Now that's just a shame, was really looking forward to seeing that lounge featured in the report.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Oh, so “Wiesbaden” aka. D-AIHH it is. The same bird that took Gabriel to Colombia five days earlier - of course a new registration to me:

Hmm, interesting. D-AIPK is also named Wiesbaden, can 2 aircraft wear the same name?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
A lot of people congregate in the mid galley on top of the stairs from the toilet - I guess that would be technically illegal on flights to the US but here nobody cares

Why would that be illegal?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 1):
The business class seats - looks like they had quite a few empty ones:

So all in all, with the high number of cheap-o Y pax and an empty C, this flight was clearly a money looser for LH.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 1):
They have a nice system here to avoid people getting ripped off - you go to a taxi counter, state your destination (easier said than done considering the weird local address system, more on that later), they give you a printout with the address and the amount of money it will cost which you then give to the taxi driver and in the end pay that amount.

Same system as they have in Belgrade?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 1):
wow, if only taxi drivers in Italy were like this!

I hear, I hear. I was almost ripped off in MXP by some rude taxi driver.

Thanks for sharing
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Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:49 pm

Hi FF!

Another nice report of yours!
Interesting to read about your longhaul flights with LH. I'm flying their A388 to PEK and NRT next year.
Nice to get that cheap price, a bargain!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I like the way some wisps of mist are still remaining on the ground:

Often seen around ARN on the mornings aswell, can be really cool views.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
But there’s only water and clouds:

That not such a bad view anyway!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The business class seats - looks like they had quite a few empty ones:

I'm guessing the special fare was only in Economy?  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Well, the hotel turns out to be quite a disaster - interaction with the staff is very hard as their English is limited to around three words (this is one thing that surprised me about Colombia, somehow I assumed English to be more widely spoken!), the promised wifi doesn’t work at all and my room looks snazzy but is very basic and freezing. At least it wasn’t too expensive at 40 EUR and since I’m far too tired I just crash there.

Atleast the room looks roomy!

Looking forward to your next report.

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Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:53 pm

Hi FF,

Brilliant report, very different to see a long-haul example from you. I must say LH economy looks really rather good, seems like you had a good flight as well!

I do like the 'downstairs' toilet and snack bar area on the LH A346, the only aircraft I've been on which featured that was bizarrely a MyTravel Airways (now TCX) A332!

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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:02 pm

Hey, P.,

you´re so fast, impressive.

Good quality again, well written and also nice pictures.
That fare sounds to good to be true, sure a good catch.
Also the service on LH long haul looks good and with such a nice companion on the aisle seat, that´s also something to accept from my point of view. Why there are always not these girls with me when the seats are taken?.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I actually kept the IFE on airshow all throughout the flight. Who needs more entertainment than that?

Exactly my way, you know.

Looking for the next part.

Greetings,
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Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:51 pm

This must have been an exciting day for you!   Flying MD-82, A320 and A346 (3 out of my 5 favourite planes)!!!  
Great report and great pics!

I looovvvee the A346 and especially the LH birds. The lavatory in the 'basement' is very original and very logical. No congestians or whatsoever. How was Colombia? Your pics do not look like this is Colombia.
 
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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:04 pm

Hi FlyingFinn!

Very nice report with nice pictures!

Great to see you flying outside Europe for a change! Good idea to take advantage of that great fare!

I'm a bit surprised that they have US style pancakes in HEL rather than Finnish/Swedish style thin ones.

I flew D-AIQE on12Jun95 LHR-HAM (my only visit to HAM so far) so it's at least 16 years old 

I agree wiith you that food on LH long-haul is very good and that IFE is lacking. Too bad you didn't have much choice for main course but that's to be expected when you are in the back. I flew MUC-LAX on D-AIHR in Mar11 after a day of spotting with PlaneHunter.

For me, the choice Europe-BOG would be AF; better food and perhaps better IFE.

Looks like very long lines in immigration in BOG; good it only took 30 mins to clear.

Hotel looks VERY basic but EUR 40.00 is a good price. Looks more like a suburb than downtown BOG.

LH4116; that's NOT Drottningholm Castle where the Swedisg King resides.

Looking forward to part 2!

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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:36 am

Hi P.,

great to see you off on a long haul trip. Awesome you could benefit from this great fare!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Luckily the country has a very developed air transport network

Maybe a little too developed, almost no classic airliners flying there anymore  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
and out of these I picked up Avianca and Aires.

Good selection! I'm looking forward to your take on them.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
first of all I manage only to get boarding passes for the HEL-ARN and FRA-BOG flights with a combination of OLCI and self service kiosk while passing through the airport the previous day.

So you experienced the same hassle as Gabriel.

But despite of this, Lufthansa seemed to heve performed great, starting with a full drink service on the ground, the nice meals and a good lounge experience.

Thanks for sharing your great report. Looking forward to your domestic journeys and your joint flight home.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:05 am

Hi FlyingFinn,

nice first part of your Colombia series. You should go on long-hauls more often! Riding on magnificent widebodies over vast oceans, barren deserts and extended mountain ranges is what I prefer over short hopping on light metal, but tastes are certainly different.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
A nice bonus was that the long haul segments would be operated with the A340-600, my first flights with the type!

Congratulations!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
This must be “spot the mistakes in the LH inflight mag” week:

Nice! Yes another mistake in LH's magazine.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
It’s beef goulash with polenta and some vegetables, a starter salad, some bread and cheese and a a piece of almond/nut cake for dessert. Very very tasty, well done LH!

Ah, the main course looks awful. But taste is what's most important.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Considering the European carriers flying to BOG are AF, IB and LH I’m pretty sure LH is by far the best choice.

Depending on the type, I'd prefer AF due to better catering and better IFE.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 5):
Hmm, interesting. D-AIPK is also named Wiesbaden, can 2 aircraft wear the same name?

Some names were transferred to A346s and then disappeared from the A320s. However, not in this particular case - for whatever reason.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 5):
So all in all, with the high number of cheap-o Y pax and an empty C, this flight was clearly a money looser for LH.

I only see four empty seats in the pictures, we don't know about the rest of the cabin. And it's not just J Class which earns money. Y Class can contribute to revenue a lot - not every seat is sold cheaply. And you never know how many upgraded people or miles redeemers you have in J Class. Last but not least, cargo can make a flight profitable even if many seats remain empty.


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Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:12 am

Hi P. !
Congratulations on the new continent and thanks for the perfect report ... good jokes

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 1):
Looks like they are building a new terminal over there:

Yes they are ... link if you're interested
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=738932&page=457

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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:31 am

Great TR as always...

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Now being on the right end of the political spectrum Venezuela and Mr. Chavez’s clown socialism didn’t really appeal to me (and besides they probably would’ve turned me right back at the border anyway) so it had to be Colombia instead!



Well this is all about aviation. So, despite the political situation- I just think that Venezuela is lot more offering for us crazy guys... AVIOR B737-200, ASERCA DC-9-30, RUTACA B737-200, VENEZOLANA B737-200   

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
well the hotel is called “Royal Embassy Hotel” (overstatement of the year!)

For the record, next time: http://www.tripadvisor.com

Quoting The777Man (Reply 10):
I flew D-AIQE on12Jun95 LHR-HAM (my only visit to HAM so far) so it's at least 16 years old

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Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:54 am

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Linköping with its two airports clearly visible - I’ll be passing through the other one in December:

Hey, I live within walking distance of that airport - so if you have some time we could meet (or is it the Nextjet flight just making a short touchdown here?

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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:19 am

Hello Petteri,

great to read you going long-haul! I'm eagerly looking forward to read the next instalment of your Colombian adventure. How did you like Bogotà? I've seen pictures of a friend of mine who went volunteering there and the historical city centre looked gorgeous!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Finavia has updated the FIDS - now they show approximate walking (well, judging from the figures more like crawling - handy for those late night flights) times to the gates

That made me giggle as I remembered some similar signs at LHR's T1 showing some 20 minutes for a gate not farther than 5 minutes!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I like the way some wisps of mist are still remaining on the ground:

I love them too, it's the sign that autumn is finally coming!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The new seats on this bird, meaning a good legroom and hiding the fact that this bird is around 15 years old:

How were those seats? My father tried them out on Austrian and his judgement was "Those seats would have come handy to Torquemada and his bunch" but he's notoriously unreliable as he professed his love for the old green Alitalia seats.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
They have a nice system here to avoid people getting ripped off - you go to a taxi counter, state your destination (easier said than done considering the weird local address system, more on that later), they give you a printout with the address and the amount of money it will cost which you then give to the taxi driver and in the end pay that amount.

Can you please send this to SEA for Milan Malpensa and Linate? Or also to the new Milan mayor, being an ex socialist he's more inclined to fight monopolies (in that strange country that is Italy the last attempt at liberalizations was made by a former commie!). I'll translate it in Italian if you like!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Mind you that all these hotels are within five blocks or so of each other! A nice guy, he refuses any extra despite the running around in circles and only charges what was agreed - wow, if only taxi drivers in Italy were like this!

That's precisely what I was thinking of. Unfortunately corporations like taxi drivers, dentists, lawyers and pharmacists are extremely powerful in this country and generally do whatever they want, tax evasion included.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:44 am

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 5):
I believe the king lives there. Drottningholms slott.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
A grand looking mansion:

That is actually Steninge, just outside Märsta near ARN.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I believe this is the bustling metropolis of Vesterås

You are very correct sir  
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:46 am

Buenos dias Petteri,

Pretty cool to see the ‘long awaited Colombian adventure longhaul report part 1’ online. A good & solid LH experience and pricewise unbeatable at the moment. Just asking maybe a stupid question: why the extra routing via ARN outbound and via MUC inbound? As if 10h15 flying time longhaul isn’t enough  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Finally I advised fellow global traveler and a.netter gabrielchew on this fare and a bit later he came back with the delightful news that he had taken advantage of it as well, although opting out to fly a bit earlier than me but joining me there in Colombia and flying on the same flights back (including coming to HEL with me).

Great you got to meet each other on the way. That must be the longest a.net member joint flight I know at present.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Finavia has updated the FIDS - now they show approximate walking

Hey, now you see Finavia is a very innovative company, no reason to complain anymore!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
notice our shadow surrounded by a halo on the cloud

Must be an omen!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
He concludes with “We know about your connecting flights, and maybe with the restrictions those flights are delayed as well!”

Ha, he quickly added that probably to avoid passengers coming up front complaining about their tight connections. But yours wasn’t so tight now, wazit?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I bet it is laden with preservatives:

Preservatives also make you live longer  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
and of course they are here just because of that special fare

Are you Finns just a tiny bit opportunists  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Here’s one for Nils

Thanks. A lovely old classic. Hopefully in 2 weeks time waiting for me…

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Time for a toilet visit - downstairs of course

That’s what I like about the A346. Makes a good walk and keeps people from congregating at other places with less space.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Frequent water and juice runs are done by the crew all throughout the flight, and if you ask they bring you whatever drinks you fancy.

So a very attentive crew in other words, perfecto!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The cleaning crew is actually already waiting down on the apron.

For a quick turnaround? Any idea about the groundtime at BOG before returning to FRA?

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Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:08 pm

Hi all, good to see so many comments, very much appreciated! Thank you and keep them coming.

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 2):
according to this map there should be large white letters visible from my window:
I think you did not look too carefully, I have seen them many times

Ahh, I'll keep on looking then!

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 2):
I love A346, so far the best aircraft I have flown long-haul. By the way, you keep flying the same planes I have some time before; D-AIHH took me from YVR to FRA back in March 2008. It is one of those LH A346 without a First class section, isn't it? At least there was none when I was on board.

Not sure, I didn't really look towards the left when boarding. But yeah, nice to log a familiar bird and yes, the 346 is a very impressive bird, far better than the 343s.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
I hope I was delightful to travel with!

Sure, as I mentioned your impeccable Spanish helped a lot! Thanks again.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
Looks better than what we had ARN-MUC

Yes, it does!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
WOW what an amazing fare ! No wonder you took it . I cant get to ATH from DUB for that

Heh yeah, not many second thoughts about booking it!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
Great livery on this Air Transat bird:
Do they only have one in that livery ? If so its the one I saw in DUB in the Summer.

I actually have no idea. I think remember seeing it in your report.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
Really impressed by the meals on LH Y . Really upped their game it seems with the PTVs also .

Yeah, the meals on the return sector weren't that food, though, so I guess I was lucky.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 5):
Wow, not everyday we hear you making an addition to your log.

I tried to do it earlier that week in Torsby, you know. Plus November should see another new type being added...

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 5):
including coming to HEL with me)
Did he crash on your couch?

Yes.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 5):
Some yummy pancakes and maple syrup:
Looks very nice, didn't know SAS offered hot items in their lounges.

Actually those weren't hot but cold instead.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 5):
Didn't they offer any free coffee? SAS introduced that earlier this month... At least what they claimed.

Nope.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 5):
The crew performs a drinks run on the ground - a nice idea:
I thought they only reserved the bottles for Business Class?

What? Those Warsteiner bottles have been around in LH European economy for as long as I remember. The long haul flights had it in cans, though. LH Cityline used to have wine in rather generous 0.25l glass bottles.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 5):
A lot of people congregate in the mid galley on top of the stairs from the toilet - I guess that would be technically illegal on flights to the US but here nobody cares
Why would that be illegal?

Regulations from the FAA or TSA that were introduced some years ago. A bitch to enforce onboard and with the crews of course. I think these only apply in the US airspace.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 5):
Same system as they have in Belgrade?

Yes, good point.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 6):
The business class seats - looks like they had quite a few empty ones:
I'm guessing the special fare was only in Economy?

Good guess  .

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 7):
I do like the 'downstairs' toilet and snack bar area on the LH A346, the only aircraft I've been on which featured that was bizarrely a MyTravel Airways (now TCX) A332!

Now that's interesting, I had no idea they do this on the 330s as well. I thought only the IL-86/96 and the 346 have it.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 8):
That fare sounds to good to be true, sure a good catch.

Yeah, as mentioned the base fare was 0 EUR, one just paid the airport fees and fuel surcharges.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 8):
you´re so fast, impressive.

I have 29 segments coming up in November, so better to be done with this reports as fast as possible instead of bloating the back log, you surely know the feeling!  
Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 9):
How was Colombia? Your pics do not look like this is Colombia.

Impressions will be featured in later parts. I'm not sure what you think looks "Colombian"?

Quoting The777Man (Reply 10):
For me, the choice Europe-BOG would be AF; better food and perhaps better IFE.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Depending on the type, I'd prefer AF due to better catering and better IFE.

Hah, like brothers  . But yeah, I don't like AF that much, too French for me. I've done CDG-BOS-CDG with them - the IFE was good but otherwise not very impressed. Plus you'd have to put up with transferring at CDG which quite frankly sucks.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 10):
Hotel looks VERY basic but EUR 40.00 is a good price. Looks more like a suburb than downtown BOG.

Well, Bogota is a bit different, it is basically one huge suburb everywhere, just a handful of high rises around.

Quoting volvair (Reply 11):
Maybe a little too developed, almost no classic airliners flying there anymore

True. The BOG airport had some nice cargo 727s and 737-200s though.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
nice first part of your Colombia series. You should go on long-hauls more often! Riding on magnificent widebodies over vast oceans, barren deserts and extended mountain ranges is what I prefer over short hopping on light metal, but tastes are certainly different.

Well, it's not a matter of preference, more a matter of being able to do one or another.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Ah, the main course looks awful. But taste is what's most important.

Yeah, presentation isn't the best. But it was very good.

Quoting stipica (Reply 13):
Looks like they are building a new terminal over there:
Yes they are ... link if you're interested

Thanks, it became quite apparent after two departures and two arrivals at BOG during this trip that they certainly need it!  
Quoting debonair (Reply 14):
Well this is all about aviation. So, despite the political situation- I just think that Venezuela is lot more offering for us crazy guys... AVIOR B737-200, ASERCA DC-9-30, RUTACA B737-200, VENEZOLANA B737-200

Yes, this would've been a nice thing to do. But all the people who went through CCS posted lots of horror stories about what a crappy place it is.

Quoting debonair (Reply 14):

For the record, next time: http://www.tripadvisor.com

I know, they just didn't have that much coverage of Colombia, it seems. And I was trying to be cheap.

I was surprised to see an airport hotel at BOG, though - couldn't find that when searching online. I'd definitely booked that if it was decently priced...

Quoting photophil (Reply 15):
Hey, I live within walking distance of that airport - so if you have some time we could meet (or is it the Nextjet flight just making a short touchdown here?

I know, but it indeed is the 2N CPH-LPI-ORB flight I'm booked on (together with another a.netter), so I'm quite literally just passing through. So we'll have to wait until January!

Quoting JL418 (Reply 16):
How did you like Bogotà? I've seen pictures of a friend of mine who went volunteering there and the historical city centre looked gorgeous!

Well, "gorgeous" is not a word I'd use - to quite Gabriel "crap" is more appropriate  . But yeah, wait until the next parts for some impressions and photos of Bogota and Colombia.

Quoting JL418 (Reply 16):
How were those seats? My father tried them out on Austrian and his judgement was "Those seats would have come handy to Torquemada and his bunch" but he's notoriously unreliable as he professed his love for the old green Alitalia seats.

Well, I like them - flown a few segmens with them now and they are far better than the old ones. Especially apparent after getting the old seats on FRA-MUC on the way back and then the new seats on MUC-HEL. Your father sounds rather biased to me.

Quoting JL418 (Reply 16):

Can you please send this to SEA for Milan Malpensa and Linate?

Too lazy to do that, you are free to quite me freely, both in English and Italiano. Just don't try to dub me.

Quoting jeppelainen (Reply 17):
That is actually Steninge, just outside Märsta near ARN.
Quoting jeppelainen (Reply 17):
I believe this is the bustling metropolis of Vesterås
You are very correct sir

Tack för det!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 18):
Just asking maybe a stupid question: why the extra routing via ARN outbound and via MUC inbound? As if 10h15 flying time longhaul isn’t enough

Why does a dog lick its balls? Because it can! You know I just can't get enough of flying, so if I can add some additional segments (plus a meagre amount of miles) for 20 EUR per segment why not? On the outbound ARN-FRA was also a new route for my log, have flown HEL-FRA quite a few times already.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 18):
But yours wasn’t so tight now, wazit?

Yes, there was quite enough time. Still a bit annoyed by the delay as I wanted to check out the new Senator lounge but it is so far away from the B gates I decided to skip it.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 18):
For a quick turnaround? Any idea about the groundtime at BOG before returning to FRA?

3h40mins based on the original schedule. The FRA flight leaves very late as Bogota is so high they have to take off quite late in order the air to be cooler than during the day.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:33 pm

Nice to see more and more people coming down to Colombia, tourism has grown exponentially in the last few years, plus the very large growth in foreign investment and the growth in the economy has put a large strain at BOG, it went from 7 million to just about 20 million pax per year in the last 5-6 years.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Well, the hotel turns out to be quite a disaster - interaction with the staff is very hard as their English is limited to around three words (this is one thing that surprised me about Colombia, somehow I assumed English to be more widely spoken!), the promised wifi doesn’t work at all and my room looks snazzy but is very basic and freezing. At least it wasn’t too expensive at 40 EUR and since I’m far too tired I just crash there.

That area is not exactly the nicest, it can take 10 minutes to the airport with no traffic, but 20-30 at rush hours. Sadly that area, which basically caters for City Fair Grounds is the only cheap hotel area anywhere near the airport. Plenty of nicer hotels near the airport including the Habitel www.hotelhabitel.com which is at the airport grounds, but usually all quite expensive. The Salitre City area has also Marriot, Holiday Inn, Sheraton, among others etc, just 5 minutes from the airport. Don´t expect English spoken outside the business world, do not forget Colombia has been outside the traveller maps for many years and you can fly for hours or drive for days and nothing but Spanish will be spoken, so most of our tourists have been Spanish speakers. Things are changing but it will take time.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
They have a nice system here to avoid people getting ripped off - you go to a taxi counter, state your destination (easier said than done considering the weird local address system, more on that later),

Interesting point of view, for me nothing easier than an alphanumeric address system set on a grid.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 10):
Looks more like a suburb than downtown BOG.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 19):
Well, Bogota is a bit different, it is basically one huge suburb everywhere, just a handful of high rises around.

I wonder what a suburb means to Europeans, I am more used to the term suburb in US terms. Most of Bogota is either house rows or apartment building rows. Depending on the area 4, 6 or 12 story high. What we call the International Center has 10 or so 30-40 story high buildings and what we call La Candelaria has the historic downtown which dates back over 200-300 years where all the government center is located. Northen Bogota is where all the newer areas are located, including most upscale bars, restaurants, hotels, malls, shops, etc.

Quoting debonair (Reply 14):
- I just think that Venezuela is lot more offering for us crazy guys... AVIOR B737-200, ASERCA DC-9-30, RUTACA B737-200, VENEZOLANA B737-200

That is true, yet if anybody is interested Villavicencio just a short Aires Dash 8 hop from BOG is VVC (Villavicencio Vanguardia Airport) home to a very large operational fleet of DC-3´s that cover the Colombian Eastern Plains and Jungles.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 19):
True. The BOG airport had some nice cargo 727s and 737-200s though.

Mostly 727´s operated by LAS and Aerosucre Cargo airlines, also one operated by the Colombian Airforce code named Apollo and based at CATAM Airforce Base which is located inside BOG grounds. Also Colombian Airforce operates a 707 code named ZEUS and 767 code named JUPITER.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 19):
Thanks, it became quite apparent after two departures and two arrivals at BOG during this trip that they certainly need it!

As said before slow bureacratic decissions and unexpected high growth at the airport have it quite overcroweded. The new international terminal will open by mid-2012 before the phased demoliton of the existing terminal to continue the expansion of the new terminal.

[Edited 2011-10-28 07:35:25]
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:45 pm

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 19):
Well, "gorgeous" is not a word I'd use - to quite Gabriel "crap" is more appropriate

It might not be in its best shape, but it is definitelly not run down, plus for all matters any historic area such as La Candelaria is far from crap.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 19):

3h40mins based on the original schedule. The FRA flight leaves very late as Bogota is so high they have to take off quite late in order the air to be cooler than during the day.

It is actually 2 hours 40 minutes, arriving around 7 p.m. and departing around 9:45 local time. Not sure how much the extra distance to FRA affects take off, the first of the 2 IB flights that operate departs at 5:15 p.m. also in an A340-600. AF also departs at 5:35 p.m. but it operates A340-300.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:41 pm

Hello P,

Thanks for another interesting TR

I am glad to see you managed to sneak a deal (on Lufthansa's expense) - I saw the irresistible offer too - but what are you going to do when you can't take a week of just like that. Good to see Lufthansa offering quite good service and catering on long haul flights, I sincerely miss the hot meals we used to get with them on European flights.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
luckily they are running a special offer that’s not too much of a rip off and I walk over to the lounge holding a shiny new double pack of cards in my hand.

That's good to hear - otherwise there wouldn't have been much of a trip report!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Finavia has updated the FIDS - now they show approximate walking (well, judging from the figures more like crawling - handy for those late night flights) times to the gates

Well, that walking distance really is APPROXIMATE. A couple of weeks ago waiting to board another 717 ride to OUL I looked at the monitor located just opposite gate 13 and saw that my flight was indeed departing from gate 13 that is 2 minutes (!!!) walking distance away. Seriously more like 2 seconds...

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
AY cattle truck next to us:

It's hard to find a more suitable name for that aircraft though nothing beets good ol' "marsuhäkki".

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The letters on the tail confirm this bird as D-AIQE, a new one for me.

...but familiar one for me, HEL-FRA logged on D-AIQE a year ago.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Must have a 717 in a report - arriving from HEL:

What a good looking plane! I guess I should try it some day!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Some nice minestrone soup hits the spot nicely

Well, actually, I'd rather just call it minestrone as the word itself means "the big soup" in Italian. I know though that minestrone soup is still quite a usual expression - so also at our cafeteria at school. I've pointed out a number of times to them that "Oh, we have soup soup today!"...

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Heading towards France:

P. seems to be okay too!

Regards,
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Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:13 pm

Cool story so far P. Looking forward to the next legs in detail.

Happy to see that LH long haul is quite good on the 346s. I have been put off by some negative reviews of the 744s they run. Thanks for the detail regarding comfort and meal presentation.

Good to get your perspective on flying out of Europe too, brings a new dimension to your write up's.

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Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:07 pm

Excellent, P!

A346 certainly is my favourite aircraft, so congrats! Although I´ve never had a change to fly any, so I hope I will catch it one day as well!

LH longhaul product is quite ok, for me atleast. Yes, IFE could be better but otherwise I have no complaints!

Looking forward to the next part and more pics of Colombia,

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Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:10 pm

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 19):
Impressions will be featured in later parts. I'm not sure what you think looks "Colombian"?

Thanks for sharing the link on skycraper!   Now that looks like Latin America!  

Look forward for your next report!  
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:35 pm

Hi Petteri,

you are quick, just a few days back and two trip reports up already! The only one who can beat you is Gabriel, his reports are up while he is still on the trip  

I was looking forward to your first long haul TR and it did not disappoint. The A340-600 is one of my favourite aircraft, I had four very nice flights with LH on that bird.

And great that you were able to take a detour via ARN and MUC, two extra segments for the same price. And the price is just amazing, I hope I will be able to take advantage of a fare like this someday.

Keep up the good work.

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Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:41 pm

Really enjoyable trip report, many thanks for posting!

Looks like you had some fantastic views, too, particularly over Sweden and the Atlantic.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:37 pm

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 19):
Well, "gorgeous" is not a word I'd use - to quite Gabriel "crap" is more appropriate . But yeah, wait until the next parts for some impressions and photos of Bogota and Colombia.
Quoting Bogota (Reply 21):
It might not be in its best shape, but it is definitelly not run down, plus for all matters any historic area such as La Candelaria is far from crap.

Ok, 'crap' might be a bit harsh, however, the area around Carrera 19, Calle 70 looks like a very dodgy rundown suburb, but that's the city centre! La Candelaria was nicer, although not a patch on Cartagena

Quoting SloAir (Reply 26):
The only one who can beat you is Gabriel, his reports are up while he is still on the trip

Well, I was there for longer - and I thought P might want to see what his FRA-BOG flight might be like!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 19):
Sure, as I mentioned your impeccable Spanish helped a lot! Thanks again.

Impeccable! You're too kind!
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Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:56 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 28):
Ok, 'crap' might be a bit harsh, however, the area around Carrera 19, Calle 70 looks like a very dodgy rundown suburb, but that's the city centre! La Candelaria was nicer, although not a patch on Cartagena

La Candelaria is the City Center, that is where all government center is at. Obviously not as nice as Cartagena´s old town but still a nice 200-300 year old area, with a big backpacker scene. Carrera 19 and Calle 70 is a very rundown area, far from anything we could call city center. What were you doing in that area?? Now having said that talking about a city center in the european sense is very difficult as people do not consider going to downtown for shopping or dinning, maybe to museums or some theaters. Business, shopping and going out districts are all spread out through town with the more upmarket ones in the Northeast corridor of the city.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:25 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 28):
Ok, 'crap' might be a bit harsh, however, the area around Carrera 19, Calle 70 looks like a very dodgy rundown suburb, but that's the city centre!

That's not the city centre, La Candelaria and the area around Torre Colpatria are. Why did you end up there anyways? It's a VERY dodgy and very dangerous place. Also, did you pay a visit to the north of the city?

Great report by the way, FlyingFinn76.

I have been reading these reports on Bogotá and it seems that (of course, as unknowing tourists) you guys have really been hitting the wrong sides of town, next time please don't hesitate to ask us colombian users where you should go! (The issue with Bogotá is that it has nice patches with ugly patches in between, so you have to know how to avoid those and where to go).  
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:28 pm

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
(easier said than done considering the weird local address system, more on that later)

It actually isn't weird at all. It's the same system that's used in Manhattan, which it makes it possible for you to orient yourself around without using a map or a GPS.
 
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Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:56 am

HI P.,

good to see this report up so quickly. Well done! And congrats with a longhaul trip and new type and continent of course.

LH seems to do ok here, especially I was surprised with the large wrap on the flight from ARN.
Longhaul meals, just standard meals, ok and nothing else. Shame about no choice on the first service.

The flight seems indeed quite boring, especially with no land to be seen  I think the plain LH interior is not helping much either, I'm sure you would be more entertained on the VS examples which I flew on twice.

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 9):
The lavatory in the 'basement' is very original and very logical. No congestians or whatsoever.

Well, original yes, logical no (imho). The airline looses space in the belly lower compartment and can take less cargo capacity on these A346's. So less revenue. For passengers it's a good thing though, don't get me wrong. But from a revenue point of view I can't find it logical.

btw, P,. I have to say again, the pics from this new camera are so much better then from the old one. Really good and clear images!

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Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:14 am

Hi P.,

This must be the best trip report ever of yours. Geez, I did not know where to start. What an excitement, what a joy, what a charm, what a beauty of everything all over!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
So when Lufthansa posted their infamous one for travel between Scandinavia & Finland and Venezuela/Colombia I didn’t really think at all - just booked something cheap for a time period that I could probably use some vacation days for

Way to go, P!   


Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
but since the fare rules allowed it, I added two additional stops (and flights of course as well) which brought the whole LH itinerary to HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG-FRA-MUC-HEL, with the HEL-ARN segment being of course operated by SK under a LH codeshare.

You have made the right decision to take all advantage of the fare rules.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
the A340-600, my first flights with the type!

Congratulations!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Now one of the interesting things of traveling to a new country (and continent!) is the possibility to try out some local carriers, so I did some searching on domestic flights in Colombia

That is how I know you.   


Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Booking at the Avianca website the fare was around 60 EUR, but a few days later they contacted me saying that my reservation was cancelled as my credit card had been refused (I guess that doesn’t match my usual spending pattern...). Oh well, I could book the same flight via Expedia so it was not a big deal, although I ended up paying 10 EUR more for it...

Have you figured out why the refusal of your credit card to Avianca?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Secondly while sitting in the bus to the airport I notice that my camera doesn’t want to play ball with the memory card any more - bugger!

Our worst nightmare!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
I fix up the camera with a new card and am happy to see it working fine (well I guess the photos above already confirmed that!).

Great that everything has been resolved.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Stepping onboard I say “Good morning!” to the waiting purser who responds “Huomenta!” so I just have to add “God morgon!” as well - it never harms to be extra polite!

Way to go again!   


Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Over at the gate I ask from one of the gate agents if row 30 is still empty and after learning that it indeed is get my seat changed to 30F.

My seat choice as well from FRA last July.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
and hiding the fact that this bird is around 15 years old:

Mature and wiser.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The crew performs a drinks run on the ground - a nice idea:

It reminds me of my KE flight from MAD. But hey, what do I see there? P. and Warsteiner? 


Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
This must be “spot the mistakes in the LH inflight mag” week:

Would it have not been great to fly that Boeing in 1993?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Some people with tight connections got this special treatment:

How tight the connection must be for this?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
How many Jumbos can you count in this picture:

Three! Have I won?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Very very tasty, well done LH!
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 1):
It’s chicken in honey-chili sauce with wild rice. Again a very tasty dish and I eat all of it with good appetite.

That is my LH!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 1):
A nice guy, he refuses any extra despite the running around in circles and only charges what was agreed - wow, if only taxi drivers in Italy were like this!

Colombian hospitality at its best!


Fabulous report, P.. Thanks a lot for sharing.
I wish you will consider more long haul flights in the future and return to South East Asia one day.  

Best wishes,
Suryo
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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:17 am

HI guys, good to have more comments, thanks.

Special mention to you Colombian guys, always nice to have a local perspective on things!

Quoting Bogota (Reply 20):
the growth in the economy has put a large strain at BOG, it went from 7 million to just about 20 million pax per year in the last 5-6 years.

Really, it has that many pax? I'd put it in the 10-15 million category if you asked me! No wonder it felt so cramped and busy.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 20):
Plenty of nicer hotels near the airport including the Habitel www.hotelhabitel.com which is at the airport grounds, but usually all quite expensive.

Yes, I saw that from the taxis (and the inter terminal shuttle bus). Was quite surprised as I tried searching for an airport hotel and did not find any.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 20):
The Salitre City area has also Marriot, Holiday Inn, Sheraton, among others etc, just 5 minutes from the airport.

Yep, saw those as well. Looked quite grand actually - and that area certainly looked like new and upcoming business area.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 20):
Interesting point of view, for me nothing easier than an alphanumeric address system set on a grid.
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 31):
It actually isn't weird at all. It's the same system that's used in Manhattan, which it makes it possible for you to orient yourself around without using a map or a GPS.

I guess it is a matter of perspective - being used to the European system where streets actually have names and a consistent numbering system it appeared a bit weird to me. Well, I guess it works fine when you have a perfect grid pattern, but in a city like Medellin where the streets snake up the hill sides the system starts breaking down...

Quoting Bogota (Reply 20):
I wonder what a suburb means to Europeans, I am more used to the term suburb in US terms. Most of Bogota is either house rows or apartment building rows.

Yeah, well to me most of Bogota appeared to be just one and two story buildings - not suburb in the American sense but still some kind of suburbia.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 20):
That is true, yet if anybody is interested Villavicencio just a short Aires Dash 8 hop from BOG is VVC (Villavicencio Vanguardia Airport) home to a very large operational fleet of DC-3´s that cover the Colombian Eastern Plains and Jungles.

Thanks. It is only after the trip than I realize that aviationwise there would've been much more to Colombia than what I thought (or experienced). Should do my research a bit better, I guess. Or maybe I just need to come back!  
Quoting Bogota (Reply 21):
It might not be in its best shape, but it is definitelly not run down, plus for all matters any historic area such as La Candelaria is far from crap.

Yeah, sorry about that. Look I don't want to put down your city at all, I absolutely loved Colombia. But I think you have to admit that Bogota isn't exactly the most beautiful of cities, quite far from it. Even La Candelaria appears quite run down to me, but of course is far better than some of the areas around it. Sure the city does have its charm underneath the rough surface. I just liked Medellin far better, though.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 21):

It is actually 2 hours 40 minutes, arriving around 7 p.m. and departing around 9:45 local time.

Oh yes, thanks, looks like my math isn't the way it used to be!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 22):
I saw the irresistible offer too - but what are you going to do when you can't take a week of just like that.

Well, that's why I went only for three (actually four if you count the night spent onboard!) nights, just a bit more manageable than a week off (which I ended up taking anyway).

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 22):
Well, actually, I'd rather just call it minestrone as the word itself means "the big soup" in Italian. I know though that minestrone soup is still quite a usual expression - so also at our cafeteria at school. I've pointed out a number of times to them that "Oh, we have soup soup today!"...

Thanks for this lesson - every day is a school day like Mark would put ut!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 23):
Happy to see that LH long haul is quite good on the 346s. I have been put off by some negative reviews of the 744s they run. Thanks for the detail regarding comfort and meal presentation.

I flew their 744 back in 2005 twice, that was the time before the PTVs so quite an old fashioned flight that one. Still I quite enjoyed it, and if I remember right the food was good back then as well.

Quoting SloAir (Reply 26):
you are quick, just a few days back and two trip reports up already! The only one who can beat you is Gabriel, his reports are up while he is still on the trip

Yeah well we have a bit of a race going on!

Quoting SloAir (Reply 26):
And great that you were able to take a detour via ARN and MUC, two extra segments for the same price.

Funny how some people didn't get the point and some people did!  
Quoting ZS-SAZ (Reply 27):
Looks like you had some fantastic views, too, particularly over Sweden and the Atlantic.

Oh yes, good weather on parts of this trip. Too bad the views over the Atlantic are just a tad... boring.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 28):
Impeccable! You're too kind!

Well, far better than my pidgin Spanish, although "Una mas cerveza, por favor!" is almost enough for me  
Quoting Bogota (Reply 29):
Carrera 19 and Calle 70 is a very rundown area, far from anything we could call city center. What were you doing in that area??
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 30):
Why did you end up there anyways? It's a VERY dodgy and very dangerous place. Also, did you pay a visit to the north of the city?

That's where our hotel was... Bad research on my part again, I guess. It looked a bit dodgy but not that dangerous really.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 30):
Great report by the way, FlyingFinn76.

Thanks!

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 30):
I have been reading these reports on Bogotá and it seems that (of course, as unknowing tourists) you guys have really been hitting the wrong sides of town (The issue with Bogotá is that it has nice patches with ugly patches in between, so you have to know how to avoid those and where to go).

Yeah, it seems so. If you walk like five blocks west from Plaza Bolivar you are already in one very dodgy looking place...
 
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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:55 pm

Hi FlyingFinn76

Congratulations on a the new aircraft type 346 and a new country!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
This itinerary cost a hair under 300 EUR.

Now that's nice. For how long was this 0 EUR base fare on sale and how did you notice it?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
their system's aren't compatible this is always such a hassle when having mixed itineraries on both carriers

Now this always amazes me how poorly airlines in the same alliance (and in this case in the leading alliance) have their systems integrated (or not, I should say).

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Time for a toilet visit - downstairs of course

Now that's nice, to be able to go downstairs!

Looking forward to your next instalments of that trip.
Cheers,
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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:50 pm

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 34):
Yeah, sorry about that. Look I don't want to put down your city at all, I absolutely loved Colombia. But I think you have to admit that Bogota isn't exactly the most beautiful of cities, quite far from it. Even La Candelaria appears quite run down to me, but of course is far better than some of the areas around it. Sure the city does have its charm underneath the rough surface. I just liked Medellin far better, though.

Interesting point of view, I tend to like Bogota better in general, Medellín has its very nice areas but I tend to find Bogota´s nothern districts much nicer. If you only moved between your hotel and La Candelaria you really missed all of the nicer areas of town. Sadly most of the occasional travellers and backpackers tend to see Bogota´s historic and its surroundings while most of Medellín´s visitors tend to see more of the city due to its size including El Poblado and Parque Lleras which are close by to most cheaper hotels and hostels. Medellin is very nice but Bogota is a far more cosmopolitan city, with much better cultural life in general. If you ask a business traveller into Bogota they will usually have the totally opposite opinion as they usually never go into downtown or the historic center and they tend to find the city incredibly modern, glitzy and cosmopolitan.

We get a good fair share of tourists from neighboring countries who come to Bogota for the weekend precisely because the image of glamour the city has in Latin America thanks to its fantastic restaurants, bars, clubs, shops and theatres. I´m curious where you went in Medellin, just to see how you compared both cities. Anyhow, glad you liked our country, hope you get to come back sometime.
 
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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:26 am

Hi P,

Good for you & Gabriel for making the most of LH's offer.

It really is something special to read a report of yours about a longhaul flight, I think you should do them more often! Nice to hear more positive feedback about LH's product on the A340, the meals were certainly generous and the aircraft looks pretty smart too.


Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Love ‘em or hate ‘em (I love)

Now there's a surprise!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
now they show approximate walking (well, judging from the figures more like crawling - handy for those late night flights) times to the gates

Just think of the first time traveller, not a clue where they are going, stopping every minute to ask they same question, then I guess you know where these exaggerated timings come from.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Some people with tight connections got this special treatment:

Great service.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
The same bird that took Gabriel to Colombia five days earlier

Nice coincidence.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
according to this map there should be large white letters visible from my window:

Yeah, they're just playing hide & seek in the clouds  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
A nice guy, he refuses any extra despite the running around in circles and only charges what was agreed - wow, if only taxi drivers in Italy were like this!

How refreshing, to hear of a taxi driver who doesn't try to rip you off & genuinely does his best!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
doesn’t work at all and my room looks snazzy but is very basic and freezing. At least it wasn’t too expensive at 40 EUR and since I’m far too tired I just crash there.

It looks awful, just like a new house someone is spending their first night in. So cold & uninviting. hope the other ones on your trip were better!

Happy flying
Infodesk   
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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:39 pm

Hi P.

great to see some long haul flying from you. Of course congratulations for logging the A346 and visiting a new continent. South America is in fact the only white spot (speaking about continents at least) on my personal map so it's nice to read something about it.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
This itinerary cost a hair under 300 EUR.

Wow, well done to find that nice fare, really a great price for that route. Guess it wasn't available for very long.

Great service in general on your LH flights, both on the short haul and the long haul. Very nice to get two hot meals (and obviously generous portions too) on that flight.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Time for a toilet visit - downstairs of course

Pretty cool to have the toilets downstairs on a plane. Also nice to have a small self service drink service down there.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
wow, if only taxi drivers in Italy were like this!

Oh no, never in Italy   ... But really nice by that particular driver. Too bad about that hotel, the room really looks like there is something missing. But I guess for this price you can't really complain.

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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:07 pm

Excellent FF, and how on earth did you score the flight at that price?  

Looking forward to the rest of the series.

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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:30 pm

Hi P.

Nice long haul trip report! Isn't this your first (correct me if i'm wrong please) long haul trip report?
I have flown LH long haul as well to last December. Seems like you received similar service on your FRA-BOG flight as my MUC-MIA sector. Must agree that LH is a good carrier, one of the better ones I know long-haul. If you are interested here is a review of my long-haul flight from MUC to MIA
Air Canada, North America's Hidden Jewel? (by MSS658 Nov 6 2010 in Trip Reports)


Greetings
Marc
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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:24 am

Hi all, thanks for the additional comments!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 32):
And congrats with a longhaul trip and new type and continent of course.

Thank you, Eric!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 32):
LH seems to do ok here, especially I was surprised with the large wrap on the flight from ARN.

Some BMI influences here I guessl. And it was hot, too!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 32):
Longhaul meals, just standard meals, ok and nothing else. Shame about no choice on the first service.

Standard they might be, but also extremely tasty this time! Too bad the food was far lousier on the return sector.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 32):
The flight seems indeed quite boring, especially with no land to be seen  I think the plain LH interior is not helping much either, I'm sure you would be more entertained on the VS examples which I flew on twice.

Yeah well I've never really understood people whining about the lack of IFE and movie selections and stuff. Just give me airshow and I'm happy as a bee - I've got enough (unread) books in my library to keep me entertained for ten RTW trips plus in the age of Ipods, Ipads, mini laptops and whatnot it's very easy to carry hundreds of hours of entertainment with you.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 32):
btw, P,. I have to say again, the pics from this new camera are so much better then from the old one. Really good and clear images!

I tend to agree with you! Thank you anyway.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 33):
This must be the best trip report ever of yours.

Hah, you've said the same thing a few times before!  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 33):
Have you figured out why the refusal of your credit card to Avianca?

Nope, not really. I had some problems getting certain cards accepted in Colombia in plain old POS terminals so had to use different cards around.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 33):
But hey, what do I see there? P. and Warsteiner?

Well, it's not my favorite beer by far, but the alternative on LH European economy aren't exactly that good either - their wine tends to be rather cheap, generic and nasty stuff.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 33):
How tight the connection must be for this?

Keine Ahnung, but I'd say anything less than 30 minutes at FRA should qualify!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 37):
It really is something special to read a report of yours about a longhaul flight, I think you should do them more often!

Well, get me more deals like that and I'll be glad to snatch them!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 37):
It looks awful, just like a new house someone is spending their first night in. So cold & uninviting. hope the other ones on your trip were better!

Luckily it was such a long day that I just basically crashed as soon as I laid down on the bed. Yes, the next hotel is far far better.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 38):
South America is in fact the only white spot (speaking about continents at least) on my personal map so it's nice to read something about it.

Wow, you've certainly been around a lot more than me! Or at least on a wider scale.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 38):
Guess it wasn't available for very long.

Yeah. I think they loaded the mistake fare sometime on Friday, it was available during the weekend and was gone by Monday or Tuesday. The weekend is probably the reason it was around for so long as the LH fare desk people were not working...

Quoting signol (Reply 39):
Excellent FF, and how on earth did you score the flight at that price?  

See above. I booked it pretty much right away after I spotted it in a Finnish aviation forum. Basically somebody screwed up at LH and loaded the fare with a base fare of 0 EUR (instead of around 300 EUR it should've been), so basically all one paid were the airport fees and fuel surcharges.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 40):
Isn't this your first (correct me if i'm wrong please) long haul trip report?

Yes, you are right!

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 40):
Must agree that LH is a good carrier, one of the better ones I know long-haul. If you are interested here is a review of my long-haul flight from MUC to MIA
Air Canada, North America's Hidden Jewel? (by MSS658 Nov 6 2010 in Trip Reports)

Yep, I remember reading that report.
 
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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:23 am

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 41):
Yep, I remember reading that report.

Oops, It seems like Replying after a long day is not always a good idea. I actually ment this one
Lufthansa, There Is No Better Way To Fly! (by MSS658 Jul 5 2011 in Trip Reports)


My apologies

Greetings
Marc
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RE: El Cheapo Longhaul: HEL-ARN-FRA-BOG

Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:41 pm

Hello Petteri!

First I have to say I´m sorry for the late response! A really good story and nice to see some longhaul stories from you! LH seems to offer a nice product and for such a low price it´s even better 

As always FRA is the spotter paradise which al this interesting traffic you don´t see on every European airport!

Now I will read your other stories!

Greetings

Robert

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