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Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): proper burgers, but somebody preferred The Golden Arches for its world famous cheapness |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Sorry Swedes, your country might be safe and sound and great, but it is also utterly boring compared to Tallinn! |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Bromma - according to a popular legend there’s no Terminal 1 at Arlanda (the designations go from 2 to 5) because BMA is actually considered to be T1: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Special mention: The disabled toilet in the T5 landside upstairs restaurant is scary. Very scary. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): My original seat 6A had a limited view outside thanks to the engine: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): AYA333 behind me kept complaining about the lack of legroom. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): The bad part of course came from the fact that this was my last shot during taxi before the FA told me friendly but sternly to stop taking photos: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Find the non-a.netter: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Our overnighting ride, the airBaltic plane lottery had finally settled on a 735: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Notice FlyBE now running an ATR here instead of the E170: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Mmmm, Marabou: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Two weeks and I’m taking advantage of another dirt cheap airBaltic ticket to London, combined with an eagerly expected a.net meet and probably my last flight with BMI. The route is scheduled to be HEL-RIX-LGW/LHR-TXL-CPH-HEL. Happy contrails! |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Here’s the route for this weekend of crisscrossing the icy Baltic waters: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): The real winter had finally arrived - this is my street around 7 on that Saturday morning. Yes, those footprints are mine: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Special mention: The disabled toilet in the T5 landside upstairs restaurant is scary. Very scary. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Nice reflection of our plane in the propeller hub |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Actually this wind is rumoured to be the final revenge of Ivan the Terrible, whose last breath now keeps wandering around the periphery of the once great Russian empire reminding the descendants of his conquers about who once was pulling the strings. It has also been rumoured to have been used by the notorious Cheka as a torture method, kinda like the waterboarding of the Czarist Russia |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Inside I was very delighted to find out that they had introduced a hot breakfast since my last morning visit here in November |
Quoting planejamie (Reply 4): At a tad bit of a tangent, how does one (trying to make myself sound posh/intelligent) find out/join these a.net meets? |
Quoting deltamartin (Reply 5): The meets are planned on the Non-Aviation board. Here's the thread for this meet: A.net Meeting ARN 14/15-JAN-2012 w/ Caravelle (by photophil Sep 26 2011 in Non Aviation) There's also an "After-thread" for the meeting. ARN Meeting Jan. 2012 - A View Back (by photophil Jan 15 2012 in Non Aviation) Martin |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): For some strange reason after pushing back late we didn’t taxi to the active but instead to an apron position where another deicing took place, not sure what happened here. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): I think they should come up with some new slogans for the coffee cups |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): So off to the gate to meet an always happy Eric |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): We being the ugly, geeky, shy or whatever flying folks of course were too embarrased to ask her for a photo, so sorry Markus, but I think this serves you right for focusing on your “business” instead of more important things in life like us. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): My original seat 6A had a limited view outside thanks to the engine: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): the Snowy North! |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): thanks to a horrible cold wind that is strong enough to separate the meat from your bones if you stay out of cover too long. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): that is a quadruple espresso there |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Being a world class actor means some serious make up and preparation time, it seems... |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): according to a popular legend there’s no Terminal 1 at Arlanda (the designations go from 2 to 5) because BMA is actually considered to be T1 |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Bye Mike, hope not to meet you tomorrow |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Me and makeree were (not surprisingly) the last pax to board the bus |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): We being the ugly, geeky, shy or whatever flying folks of course were too embarrased to ask her for a photo, |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): (wow, word 13: “No!”) |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Find the non-a.netter: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Yes, indeed they have made the font bigger - but at the same time they’ve made it hideous. Urgh: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): I think they should come up with some new slogans for the coffee cups - these are getting a little long on the tooth. I can come up with lots of them cheaply, wink wink: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): So I booked KF flights to ARN on that Saturday morning and back at a sensible time on Sunday evening, around 100 EUR alltogether - this was way before they current ridiculously cheap fares thanks to a price war with Finnair of all airlines! |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Here’s the route for this weekend of crisscrossing the icy Baltic waters: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): There have already been a good number of reports about the various parts and aspects of the meets, listed here in order of appearance: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): At the gate a little cross feeding was taking place : |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): So today’s ride is Lima Mike, the first Blue 1 717 I ever flew, and even in Premium class in November 2010, coming back from an eventful, nice but far too short visit to Belfast and Glasgow: Beautiful Belfast: HEL-RIX-PIK/GLA-BHD/BFS-LHR-HEL |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): KF434 |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Yes, indeed they have made the font bigger - but at the same time they’ve made it hideous |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Greta Garbo, oh yes: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): For some strange reason after pushing back late we didn’t taxi to the active but instead to an apron position where another deicing took place, not sure what happened here. |
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 7): I am almost sure, exceeding so called 'hold over time'. After de-icing, under certain circumstances of weather/temperature, a specific time path is set from de-icing until 'airborne time'. If you can't make that, then you need de-icing again. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): I think they should come up with some new slogans for the coffee cups - these are getting a little long on the tooth. I can come up with lots of them cheaply, wink wink: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Bye Mike, hope not to meet you tomorrow: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): AYA333 behind me kept complaining about the lack of legroom. I asked the FA whether he could move to row one (he is incredibly shy, I’ve heard him say exactly twelve words all throughout the two years we’ve known each other) but he immediately declined (wow, word 13: “No!”) and in order not to loose my face (or what’s left of it) I moved there instead. Well, can’t beat the legroom: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Coffee & a warm muffin, wow I feel like an op-up on the first row now: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): “For me flying is a just an everyday thing” - pretty clever: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Notice FlyBE now running an ATR here instead of the E170: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): I suggested Jonas should sing this national anthem of theirs to get us into the right mood for the Folkhemmet, but he started asking for tips and I decided against it. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Eventually I recovered some of my strength, and eventually me, AYA333 and makeree (who was found again, word on the street is he was briefly abducted) went to the gate only to see Blue1 doing what Blue1 does the best - being delayed: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): At least the plane is already there, and luckily not Mike but November this time. This is one of the two Star Alliance liveried KF 717s (the other is Papa) and one I’ve only flown once before, OUL-HEL two months ago. That flight actually completed my “collection” as having flown with all the birds in the current KF fleet. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Yes, we should do this again (Berlin in June at the latest!). |
Quoting akhmad (Reply 8): Look how sad he looked after you said that. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): As has been said already a few time the cute young FA thingy was certainly Markus material. We being the ugly, geeky, shy or whatever flying folks of course were too embarrased to ask her for a photo, so sorry Markus, but I think this serves you right for focusing on your “business” instead of more important things in life like us. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Markus, we still remember you: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Well, now that the traveling year has been kicked off it’s time to get jiggy with it. Two weeks and I’m taking advantage of another dirt cheap airBaltic ticket to London, combined with an eagerly expected a.net meet and probably my last flight with BMI. The route is scheduled to be HEL-RIX-LGW/LHR-TXL-CPH-HEL. Happy contrails! |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): An additional bonus was that there was a perfectly timed Saturday afternoon flight there with an Estonian Air Regional (or Golden Air actually) Saab 340, a type many here see moderately wet dreams about and it was available for around 60 EUR. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): a type many here see moderately wet dreams about |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Yes, indeed they have made the font bigger - but at the same time they’ve made it hideous. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): For some strange reason after pushing back late we didn’t taxi to the active but instead to an apron position where another deicing took place, not sure what happened here. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Me and makeree were (not surprisingly) the last pax to board the bus since we had decided to pig it out in the Scandinavian lounge for a bit. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): AYA333 behind me kept complaining about the lack of legroom. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): a lost Jonas |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): even though Eric has his usual arguments with the staff and their modus operandi |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): For me this happens right after our take off from 36. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Some of us arrived back from TLL on this one - a wise choice as the timing was much more hangover friendly: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Thank you all! |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): the Snowy North! |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): The bad part of course came from the fact that this was my last shot during taxi before the FA told me friendly but sternly to stop taking photos: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Sunrise to sunset - that’s all in a flying day for the Finn: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): The official party hotel was the Estonian version of Ibis, the Tallink Express hotel in the port (well for most of us, somebody was too cheap and decided to book a rathole in order to save 15 EUR, some Finns had too much money and for tax reasons had to stay in more upscale hotels etc.). Cheap and cheerful: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): So a night of good food, a few too many drinks, a horribly cold wind, a lost Jonas and excellent comradeship followed. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Blue1 doing what Blue1 does the best - being delayed: |
Quoting planejamie (Reply 6): Ahh thanks, I don't normally look around that bit of the forums as it's normally full of people complaining about the government or comparing cars/computers! |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Here’s a toast to Fabrizio with some Italian water from the water bar: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Well, on that trip SAS also offered me my first ever op up and as a consequence of accepting the offer also my first ever flight in business class (well, a middle seat on a Mad Dog, but at least I managed to drink 5 G&Ts between CPH and HEL) and basically won me over. I’ve been a fan ever since. And I’ve never called them faux. Never ever. Never will. At least in a proper way. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): this was way before they current ridiculously cheap fares thanks to a price war with Finnair of all airlines! |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Since we live in the age of globalization and Sweden has a bit of a (deserved) reputation to be a helluva expensive place for the fun things in life (hotels, booze, food, booze, life in general, booze) very soon the idea of outsourcing half of the party to Tallinn, just a short plane ride away sprung up. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): some people’s thriftiness sometimes can go to the extremes (or maybe it’s just the Ivan Kamprad way), beer is good, Sbarro food is not etc. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): (well for most of us, somebody was too cheap and decided to book a rathole in order to save 15 EUR, some Finns had too much money and for tax reasons had to stay in more upscale hotels etc.). Cheap and cheerful: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): So a night of good food, a few too many drinks, a horribly cold wind, a lost Jonas and excellent comradeship followed. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Unfortunately Jonas decided to switch places and sit next to me on the aisle seat of the last row. Well he is okay but there’s only that much a man can listen to how somebody has already spent a whopping 40 Euro on this weekend and not gotten anything in return before his brain shuts down as a self defense measurement. For me this happens right after our take off from 36. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): most of us opted for the proper burgers, but somebody preferred The Golden Arches for its world famous cheapness) and more chat. |
Quoting signol (Reply 1): So would you call McDo a "faux" restaurant, as there is no table service - more a cafeteria? |
Quoting deltamartin (Reply 2): Since when is expensive the same thing as boring? |
Quoting deltamartin (Reply 2): Special mention: The disabled toilet in the T5 landside upstairs restaurant is scary. Very scary. Hmm. Should I bother finding out what you are talking about? |
Quoting deltamartin (Reply 2): Hey that's a lie! You were on 4A, right behind me on 3A! |
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 7): 6A? Was mine! Emergency row... or am I confused? Hmm... |
Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 3): Would have been nice for us Southerners to see some more of this instead of mainly frost. |
Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 3): Special mention: The disabled toilet in the T5 landside upstairs restaurant is scary. Very scary. More of a bidet effect if I remember your story? |
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 7): fantastic report, lovely map with the flights drawn on it. Nice text, a great read! |
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 7): I am almost sure, exceeding so called 'hold over time'. After de-icing, under certain circumstances of weather/temperature, a specific time path is set from de-icing until 'airborne time'. If you can't make that, then you need de-icing again. |
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 7): You haven't seen my slogan in the signature? It's there since my one and only Blue1 flight. Like! |
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 7): Well, great pics, lovely Tallinn, great people and indeed, a wonderful time, dinner and drinks. Thanks for posting my fishy meal! It tasted really good. |
Quoting akhmad (Reply 8): This is what I call a refreshing morning read. I have had some good laughs thanks to your well-appreciated humors. |
Quoting akhmad (Reply 8): I think you know why I did not attend the meeting. |
Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 9): By now you must hold the first prize, if awarded, on crossings over the Baltic Sea. |
Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 9): All the best from the sunny Med; no wonder you are not flying today as you must be busy casting your vote for presidential elections, aren't you? |
Quoting MH017 (Reply 10): Great writing: I absolutely really do love the way you put things/words down...also good to have added the links to your previous TR's... |
Quoting MH017 (Reply 10): Did you've to put your camera away due to the 'all electronic devises should be switched off' or was this still an old SSSR relic of non taking pictures while in the air ? Apparently, the others were not 'warned' or just ignored her 'advise' ? |
Quoting roberts87 (Reply 12): I've been wondering; are that just random quotes they come up with, or do they use famous quotes or something. |
Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 13): KF434 Nope, KF429. |
Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 13): Yes, indeed they have made the font bigger - but at the same time they’ve made it hideous Well, well, what did I say? |
Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 13): Plus I remember seeing your aircraft coming in a little bit late from OUL so that could also have explained the delay in pushback? |
Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 13): You mean Finnair having Flybe run an ATR here instead of the E170? |
Quoting OA260 (Reply 14): Hey P another lovely report. Glad no J's were injured during the process I was at work when I saw that and just laughed out loud and my colleagues were looking at me ! |
Quoting MSS658 (Reply 16): Another report of that SAAB flight, really feel bad for not booking it myself in order to save some money (that probably was wasted on Bus/taxi to my convenient hotel). |
Quoting Skytte (Reply 17): Just a notice. Golden Air do not operate Estonian Air Regional aircraft since March 2008. It was in beginning, when OV Regional didn't have the Air Operator Certificate and enough SF34 type rated pilots. |
Quoting sultanils (Reply 18): As long as it's not Arial 10, I'm happy with the font & size. |
Quoting sultanils (Reply 18): Yes indeed! We wanted to mock you on that one but we couldn't get through your elephant skin |
Quoting sultanils (Reply 18): And that's when Jonas took his lucky shot? |
Quoting kj76 (Reply 19): And it was nice to see you live on national TV saturday morning |
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 20): the Snowy North! Surely for you it's the snowy south? |
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 20): I'd love to do the SQ EWR-SIN flight - take off at night, spend all day (in C) on the plane, sunrise, sunset, then arrive with yet another sunrise. |
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 20): Don't forget the clever Brit who found a cheaper, nicer more central hotel |
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 20): Oh come on, only 10 minutes. What % of flights leave within 10 mins of their STD. |
Quoting JL418 (Reply 21): (Even if the one I'm waiting for most is Jonas' to see how faux Air Baltic was according to him). |
Quoting JL418 (Reply 21): However, am I the only one thinking that the idea of shipping bottled water (in glass containers!) over long distances is one of the stupidest things that our civilisation could come out with after dresses for dogs and personal shoppers? |
Quoting JL418 (Reply 21): Great story. It's been the same with me and Japan Airlines. Old airplane, pre-historic IFE, limited legroom... but I was on the upper deck, the jazz channel mixed John Coltrane and the Kyoto Jazz Massive, the FAs did a drink run every 1.5 hours, each one of them with a smile... I'll fly them tomorrow. |
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22): Although that lavatory thing just sent me the creeps! |
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22): Really? I had no idea KF had a price war on the route, how much was the fares? Maybe good for EBG segments. Hope they'll have it in the future as well! |
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22): What? Estonia wasn't that cheap. Heck some places in Sweden are equally cheap or even cheaper. Yes the booze and the hotel were quite nice priced, but the rest... Not so cheap. |
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22): Actually, I headed over to the next door lunch restaurant for some proper food. Had a very nice farmer's steak with some sauce and potatoes for the reasonable cost of 90 SEK. Coffee, water, salad and bread were included in the price. Very good, as opposed to those overpriced burgers 180 SEK, just insane! |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 23): That's the way it goes - you think you'll skip that one flight and then end up spending far more on fringe costs like you. Your hotel certainly sounds like it was in the middle of nowhere |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 23): How about doing it in economy? On a middle seat? Next to a fat American couple from the midwest? |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Special mention: The disabled toilet in the T5 landside upstairs restaurant is scary. Very scary. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): A huge shame that, as we took of from 01L, did a right turn right away and flew parallel to runway 08 for a while, affording me the best view of ARN I’ve ever seen from air but of course no photos then. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): The official party hotel was the Estonian version of Ibis, the Tallink Express hotel in the port (well for most of us, somebody was too cheap and decided to book a rathole in order to save 15 EUR, some Finns had too much money and for tax reasons had to stay in more upscale hotels etc.). Cheap and cheerful: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Mmmm, Marabou (Hannah, it’s chocolate): |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Since there are already so many accounts out there plus the fact that none of the airlines, routes, airports, or even planes were new. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): So I decided to do it in a little bit different way this time. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): The bad part of course came from the fact that this was my last shot during taxi before the FA told me friendly but sternly to stop taking photos: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Since we live in the age of globalization and Sweden has a bit of a (deserved) reputation to be a helluva expensive place for the fun things in life (hotels, booze, food, booze, life in general, booze) very soon the idea of outsourcing half of the party to Tallinn, just a short plane ride away sprung up. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): So off to the gate to meet an always happy Eric, |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): some people’s thriftiness sometimes can go to the extremes (or maybe it’s just the Ivan Kamprad way) |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): As has been said already a few time the cute young FA thingy was certainly Markus material. We being the ugly, geeky, shy or whatever flying folks of course were too embarrased to ask her for a photo, so sorry Markus, but I think this serves you right for focusing on your “business” instead of more important things in life like us. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): AYA333 behind me kept complaining about the lack of legroom. I asked the FA whether he could move to row one (he is incredibly shy, I’ve heard him say exactly twelve words all throughout the two years we’ve known each other) but he immediately declined (wow, word 13: “No!”) and in order not to loose my face (or what’s left of it) I moved there instead. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): (and several others which will soon be available in the “Too hot for Internet” version of this report): |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Is this an paid advert: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): sorry, the absent mind wanders again... |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): the Tallink Express hotel in the port (well for most of us, somebody was too cheap and decided to book a rathole in order to save 15 EUR, some Finns had too much money and for tax reasons had to stay in more upscale hotels etc.). |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): So a night of good food, a few too many drinks, a horribly cold wind, a lost Jonas and excellent comradeship followed. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Another six rounds of airBaltic plane lottery had resulted in the original 733 becoming none else than the mysterious Baltic Phoenix (of Dutch origins), the plane that refuses to die and keeps coming back after being retired, the good old workhorse of the airBaltic fleet - ladies and gentlemen, the Foooookkeeeeeeeeer fiftyyyyyyyyy!! (applause). |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Unfortunately Jonas decided to switch places and sit next to me on the aisle seat of the last row. Well he is okay but there’s only that much a man can listen to how somebody has already spent a whopping 40 Euro on this weekend and not gotten anything in return before his brain shuts down as a self defense measurement. For me this happens right after our take off from 36. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): So that’s where we found the rest of the gang, had some burger lunch (most of us opted for the proper burgers, but somebody preferred The Golden Arches for its world famous cheapness) and more chat. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Here’s the route for this weekend of crisscrossing the icy Baltic waters: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): not sure what happened here. |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): BMA is actually considered to be T1: |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): The disabled toilet in the T5 landside upstairs restaurant is scary. Very scary |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): midnight Saab so what’s |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): for tips and I decided against it |
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): much more hangover friendly |