AlwaysOnAPlane
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Flying Before Route Axing

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:23 pm

Welcome to my latest report here on A.net, featuring 2 European routes that are set to be closed in the near future.

Introduction:

In the world of commercial aviation it seems that the only thing one can be sure of is constant change. Nothing wrong with this, why sit around and stagnate? In this ever changing world the airlines have to adapt to different situations in the market. Sometimes this means the closure of certain routes that might not be bringing the yields they once did. For those of us who have a strange fascination with flying, this situation can leave us making a quick trip to log those routes before they disappear, possibly never to return.

It would just so happen that this situation presented itself around two airports quite local to my home.
Firstly KLM cityhopper announced that the x3 daily Amsterdam (AMS) – Liverpool (LPL) Fokker 70 service would cease to run as of 25th March 2012.
This was followed by an announcement that SWISS in partnership with bmi would call an end to the RJ service from Basel (BSL) into Manchester (MAN) from May 21st 2012.

Lets say I wasn't desperate to go out of my way to make either of these flights, but if a glimmer of a situation presented itself I would probably make an attempt.

Fast forward a month or so and I noted some discussion on the Fbook page about a few fellow members looking into making the cityhopper flight, namely Hannah “Infodesk”, Eric “airbuseric” and Robert “parton87”. I gave it the good old thumbs up and before much time had passed Eric messaged me asking if I would be interested to join Robert and himself on the LPLAMS flight they had booked for the evening of the 1st of March. I told him I would get back to him in a few days, but when I saw the price of just £39 I booked it without a second thought right there and then.

With the first flight fixed up I had an idea to see if it would be possible to score the other soon to be axed flight from BSL in the same trip. Well, what do you know? A perfectly timed late evening flight with easyJet could transport me to Basel and put me in position for the 10:00am flight back to Manchester. Brilliant. The dots were joined.

I noted the arrival time into Basel as 22:35, so once again I decided to skip a hotel and sleep in the airport. I have done this a few times now and I'm starting to find it not so bad. Sure, a proper bed would be preferable, but for a late arrival I just can't see the point in handing over excessive amounts of money for a basic airport hotel. Besides, if I could sleep 'till 5am I could then move into the SWISS lounge and get comfortable in there.

Here is the route then, as always using GreatCircleMapper.

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Thursday 1st March:

Time to hit the trail again then. The departure time was nothing too serious in the AM zone but I was pretty much wiped out. Having just returned from Krakow a few days earlier after a long weekend of partying then going right back into work for a couple of days I could have used a bit of a longer lay in bed.
The plan was something a little strange. I would actually make my way by train to the usual departure point of Manchester airport, and not Liverpool!!!. Turns out that it is actually more convenient for me this way as a coach makes a direct trip between the two airports (no direct rail service to LPL airport). This would also allow me to meet Robert and Eric after their flight from LGWMAN. This way I could also just purchase a return train ticket to Manchester Airport as I would fly back into there in the morning. No point messing around with different one way train tickets as it's far too expensive. Oh no, I'm starting to sound like Jonas....

I met the guys at T3 domestic arrivals and after exchanging greetings we headed over to the bus station, via a coffee and cake stop.
I had never used a National Express coach service before so was looking forward to the experience. The bus showed up right on time and after out tickets were inspected we were given the o.k to board the bus.

I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the interior.

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Aircraft style overhead panel picture.

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Eric lends me his FishEye lens for a picture.

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We left the station right on time and made our way down the motorway to Liverpool. Traffic was light and the road conditions were good. We arrive some 10minutes early.

Time for a picture of our transport.

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The main frontage of Liverpool airport paying tribute to a local band member you may have heard about.

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Something a little arty on the hotel across the road.

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We had allowed quite a buffer in the itinerary at this point. Well, it's a lovely day and we had spotted an opening that would allow us to take in some of the airport action for a couple of hours. A shame it's such a quiet place. We watched a few U2 and FR birds arrive and depart along with a decent amount of private jets and GA stuff but nothing amazingly exciting. We had some good conversation about the usual subjects, planes, planes, routes, planes, and a few plane conversations thrown in just to spice it up a touch.

After breathing in the smell of burned Kerosene for a while we made our way back to the terminal to collect our boarding cards and then head airside. Security was not so busy and the queue moved along nicely. I passed through the detector and was selected at random for a pat down. The guy doing this made a detailed explanation of what was going on but I feel the procedure is too personal/intimate. What can you do? I made a joke with him that they should put some brushes on the x-ray machine as this was the second time in 6 days my boots had passed through the same machine and they could use a polish.

One through security you are forced through a duty free area and then out into a general waiting zone.

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Some small opportunity to get a picture.

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There is not much to say about this place other than it is a bit of a dump. It just has a very old and worn out feel, broken lights, worn carpet. Some parts resembled more of a portacabin than a terminal. I guess it serves it's purpose at a minimal cost?

Boarding was called and we lined up.
A note about the aircraft: Unfortunately for me we had an equipment change. An up-gauge from a F70 (which is missing in my log) to a F100. I had done 4 flights already on this type so I was a little disappointed, but hey, as I said at the top of the report, nothing is certain in this industry and you just have to accept the way it goes.

Flight Number: KL 1042
Route: LPLAMS (1st time flying this route)
Airline: KLM cityhopper (1st time flying this airline)
Aircraft: Fokker 100 (5th time flying on this type)
Registration: PH-OFP (1st time flying on this aircraft)
Economy Class
Seat:14 F
Duration: 01hr : 02 min

Walking out to board our aircraft.

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I was greeted at the door and made my way down past the wing to find my seat. Due to the change in aircraft I had inadvertently snagged an exit row seat. Very good legroom and a comfortable old seat.

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The doors were closed and we started our push back on time with a load of around 70%. I had the seat next to me free.

Push back with a more common carrier off our wing.

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We made our way down to runway 27 followed by a nice noisy departure.

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Runway visible.

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We climbed through various levels of cloud but the ride remained fairly smooth.

Here is a general cabin picture from 14F

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I was fascinated by the show going on outside the window. Some amazing colours during the sunset.

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The on board service followed shortly. The biscuit was tasty and the beer was o.k. I like the design on the can.

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A look at the colourful magazine.

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All too soon we started our approach. We seemed to fly a zig-zag pattern and there were around 6 other aircraft visible at some points. We dropped into the cloud and the engines were spooling up and down all the time, the sound was amazing. The flaps were extended, the gear dropped and still we were in some really thick mist/fog. At around 300 ft above the ground the lights finally came into view and we made a smooth touchdown on the Polderbaan. Some 15 minutes taxi ahead to the stand then!!

The classic Fokker window shape.

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Time for a quick detail shot as we leave the aircraft.

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The 3 of us hooked up again back in the terminal and Eric offered that they will escort me to the next zone. I had around 1hr in hand at this point so the connection was good and safe.

We said farewell as I had a security check to clear now and we head off. Thanks for a great afternoon guys, glad we found some luck with the weather in Liverpool and see you again soon I hope?

The security check was efficient and I head through into a waiting area for the low cost airlines.

I was surprised how nice this area is. Really modern feel and good colours.

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After a quick call the the Mrs I noted that the gate was posted for the BSL flight. Best get down there pronto then and into the scrum.
Once there it was clear I was one of the last to enter the holding pen, but I quickly made a assumption of a load at around 60%. Who knows, maybe even some space to spread out a bit once onboard?

Around 10 people used priority boarding, followed by the rabble. I made a few crafty manoeuvres and managed to get up near the front as we pile out of the door.

Flight Number: EZS 1046
Route: AMSBSL ( 1st time flying this route)
Airline: easyJet Switzerland ( 1st time flying this airline)
Aircraft: A319 ( 20th time on this type)
Registration: HB-JZS ( 1st time on this aircraft)
Economy Class
Seat: 17 F
Flight Duration: 01hr : 09min

Time for a quick registration check during the rear stairs boarding. Aircraft looking in a dirty state.

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Luck was with me today. As most people were traveling in groups on this flight and space was ample I scored a full row to myself. The captain informed us that we were around 15 minutes early for departure and that 3 people were missing so we will be waiting for them as long as they don't get too late. The 3 stragglers show up a few moments later, the doors are closed and we wait some time until our departure slot. We actually take a bit longer to get moving, probably due to the low visibility around the airport. I'm in no rush now. I would rather sit longer in a aircraft seat than on a metal bench in the airport.

Eventually we get going around 20 minutes late. I'm not sure of the departure runway. It was dark, foggy and I couldn't spot any taxiway/runway signs.

We climbed out of the pea soup and into the clear sky above.

Time to look at the surroundings
In-flight literature.

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Safety card with a few Swiss touches.

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I wasn't sure what food would be available at BSL during the night so I decided to purchase a meal deal on this flight. €8 was not so bad, the sandwich was substantial and contained chorizo and gherkin.

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A pretty un eventful night flight followed. Not much to see outside either.

During the descent it looked like we would be landing under the same conditions as encountered earlier at AMS, perhaps under even denser fog?

The ground suddenly appears again and only seconds later we kiss the tarmac, nice and smooth.

I took a couple of pictures during the taxi in. Not technically perfect, but I kind of like the effect the lights give.

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After parking up I head out of the back door and onto the bus. I get a few moments to snap some shots as we end up waiting for a large family with quite a few toddlers.

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Once in the terminal I follow the signs to arrivals. On the way I spot this. I don't really like the RJs, but I will keep going with them on LX 'till I get a ride on this one.

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I take a quick walk outside to get a picture of the terminal frontage.

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Then heading back inside to set up camp somewhere. I got kind of lucky, or so I thought, and found one of the massage chairs. Truth is, it wasn't so comfortable. I decided to do a bit more scouting around. There was an area next to some construction work and a lot of the lights were off. I found a very uncomfortable looking bench and gave it a try.

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It must have been ok as I got 4 hours of half decent sleep taking me up to around 4am. Check in would open a 5am, so I just played Angry Birds on my Mac until then. Easy, and saved around €70.

I got my boarding pass and headed airside to relax in the lounge for 5 hours.

Some views on the way.

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And the lounge entrance. Looks a bit of a dump from the outside.

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I was met by a older dragon who didn't seem too friendly, again, at 5am I can understand. She looked at my documents and let me in.

Wow... This place is pretty good. Nice relaxing atmosphere and very much under used by the looks of things. Don't think there were ever more than 10 people in here during my stay. I just found a big chair, put some music on and kicked back.

Some impressions.

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After a bit I got some snacks. The only bad thing really was the limited offerings.

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Once the sun started to rise I decided to sample some of the booze on offer. I managed to get through a good few glasses of bubbly, it's never too early, is it?

In what felt like no time it was 9am and time to start thinking about making a move to the gate. For me, that is the sign of a good lounge. Making a layover fly by.

After leaving the lounge I had to use a quick passport check for the Non-Schengen gates. Once at the gate it was clear my quest for the Zurich Shopper RJ100 would have to continue. Just a plain old vanilla type for today.

Flight Number: LX 378
Route: BSLMAN ( 1st time flying on this route)
Airline: SWISS European ( 4th time on this airline)
Aircraft: RJ 100 ( 5th flight on this type)
Registration: HB-IYQ ( 1st time on this aircraft)
Economy Class
Seat: 8A
Flight Duration: 01hr : 41min


Here she is during the boarding process.

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I took my seat and was soon joined by another passenger next to me.

All the paperwork was completed and all passengers were in the aircraft on time, we were ready to go now. Nice and efficient. A load of around 80%

Departure off runway 15 followed by a left turn to the North and a good rate of climb.

A few engine obstructed views.

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Next up was the service. I was pretty disappointed here. I know it's LXeuro, but this flight is the same length as ZRH-MAN, it would be nice to get a sandwich. The coffee was only half filled even though I said I was taking it black, and the crew just seemed a little un interested. Not the usual style anyway.

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The flight progressed over cloud covered terrain and not much was happening.

After the trash was collected the all male crew came around offering the SWISS chocolates. I noticed that something was different here. The packaging has changed to white. I was actually hoping that the chocolate would be white also, but not the case.

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The bar looks a touch smaller and I think has a slightly less sweet taste than before, still very nice anyway. On a note about the crew again here. I usually see that when the crew offer chocolate to the passenger, they will often look away, as if to say “i'm not going to judge you if you feel like you want more than one”. On this occasion, you should have seen the stare down I got when I picked a couple. Jeez, I nearly put one back in the tray.

We made our descent into Manchester in the usual fashion from the South with no holding at DAYNE.
Some approach shots.

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After touching down on 23R we made way over to the stand at T1 and there ended another good journey.

3 new routes, 3 new flown registrations, 2 new airlines and 1 new airport. And thanks again to the guys for the company on Thursday afternoon. Lets make an excuse to do it again sometime.

Cheers, Lee.
 
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:45 pm

Very nice report Lee. Loads on both flights looked quite good so seems a little strange to be axing them - I guess the yield are rubbish?

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):

I had never used a National Express coach service before so was looking forward to the experience.

That's a whole new level of sad if you're looking forward to going on a bus   Still, it did look quite nice

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I made a joke with him that they should put some brushes on the x-ray machine as this was the second time in 6 days my boots had passed through the same machine and they could use a polish.

Haha, did he appreciate the joke?

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I was fascinated by the show going on outside the window. Some amazing colours during the sunset.

Lovely photos

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Time for a quick registration check during the rear stairs boarding. Aircraft looking in a dirty state.

That's even dirtier than most AF planes

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
On the way I spot this. I don't really like the RJs, but I will keep going with them on LX 'till I get a ride on this one.

SOunds very sensible

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):

Then heading back inside to set up camp somewhere. I got kind of lucky, or so I thought, and found one of the massage chairs. Truth is, it wasn't so comfortable.

Those are designed so things stick into your back unless you pay

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Next up was the service. I was pretty disappointed here. I know it's LXeuro, but this flight is the same length as ZRH-MAN, it would be nice to get a sandwich. The coffee was only half filled even though I said I was taking it black, and the crew just seemed a little un interested. Not the usual style anyway.

Shorthual LX in Y is never very good with the catering - even in C it's a bit touch and go.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
On a note about the crew again here. I usually see that when the crew offer chocolate to the passenger, they will often look away, as if to say “i'm not going to judge you if you feel like you want more than one”. On this occasion, you should have seen the stare down I got when I picked a couple. Jeez, I nearly put one back in the tray.

Ha, clearly the FA knew you paid too little for your fare, and had eaten too much in the lounge already
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PlaneHunter
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:53 pm

Hi Lee,

very nice report with great pictures! Good idea to fly on these routes. However, I would never spend the night at an airport bench again - I did so once many years ago.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Safety card with a few Swiss touches.

Nice touch!


PH
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:51 pm

Hi Lee,

nicely done, to catch some routes before closure.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I had never used a National Express coach service before so was looking forward to the experience.

They do vary, some routes are contracted out and they can be crappy. Some are really nice, I recently had one with free wifi, power sockets, decent legroom and a "nose camera" on the front TV.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
An up-gauge from a F70 (which is missing in my log) to a F100

Would normally be good, as the F100s are being retired, the F70s should be around a while yet. Still, how did you manage a £39 one-way on KLM?!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
the beer was o.k

Don't tell Suryo you liked the Heineken!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Aircraft looking in a dirty state.

Could do with a wash, or some rain.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I decided to purchase a meal deal on this flight. €8 was not so bad

Reasonable considering you were on a plane, an LCC to boot. Was anything open in BSL?

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
saved around €70

Good move, I would probably have tried to find somewhere to stay in the city, especially with a relatively late 10am flight the next day  

Thanks again!

signol
Flights booked: NWI-AMS-JNB-DUR, JNB-AMS-NWI
 
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:38 pm

Hey Lee, nice report!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
but when I saw the price of just £39 I booked it without a second thought right there and then.

Wow that's a killer price. Had no idea KLM sold one way tickets!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Besides, if I could sleep 'till 5am I could then move into the SWISS lounge and get comfortable in there.

€70 is quite steep for a night at a hotel, so I'd have spent it on a bench as well. Besides with the lounge that has showers, and breakfast, etc it's just like a hotel only with the bed being a tad harder than what used to  
Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
No point messing around with different one way train tickets as it's far too expensive. Oh no, I'm starting to sound like Jonas....

Haha, there's no shame in being cheap  
Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
The main frontage of Liverpool airport paying tribute to a local band member you may have heard about.

I recon that LPL is the only airport named after a bloke people actually recognize, as opposed to all other airports named after blokes...

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
On the way I spot this. I don't really like the RJs, but I will keep going with them on LX 'till I get a ride on this one.

Why the effort. You're not going to notice the livery when flying it anyway  
Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Once the sun started to rise I decided to sample some of the booze on offer. I managed to get through a good few glasses of bubbly, it's never too early, is it?

Wow, you truly are a Manchester man! I can't drink anything with alcohol in it, until after 3pm  

Thanks for sharing
//Jonas
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:53 pm

Thanks for the replies already, really good to see.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 1):
Very nice report Lee. Loads on both flights looked quite good so seems a little strange to be axing them - I guess the yield are rubbish?

Thanks Gabe. Yea, things looked quite good in terms of passenger numbers, but who knows who's paying what? Maybe there is a need to send these aircraft somewhere more profitable.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 1):
That's a whole new level of sad if you're looking forward to going on a bus   Still, it did look quite nice

Good point when you look at it like that. Yes, it was quite good for a 30mins ride. Don't fancy doing the length of the country on one though.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 1):
Haha, did he appreciate the joke?

I think he did, but you know these stern faced security guys, it's hard to get a smile out of them.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 1):
Lovely photos

Thanks, nature itself was a big help.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 1):
That's even dirtier than most AF planes

Just what I thought. Maybe the French crew instructed them not to wash the plane so they feel more like they work on their national airline?

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 1):
Those are designed so things stick into your back unless you pay

That makes sense.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 1):
Shorthual LX in Y is never very good with the catering - even in C it's a bit touch and go.

I have always had good stuff on mainline in Y and C. Luck of the draw I guess and taste preference.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 1):
Ha, clearly the FA knew you paid too little for your fare, and had eaten too much in the lounge already

That slight glazed/drunk look to my eyes lets me down again.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
Hi Lee,

very nice report with great pictures! Good idea to fly on these routes. However, I would never spend the night at an airport bench again - I did so once many years ago.

Hi PH.
Thanks for your reply. Yes, too many pass me by so I didn't want to let these go really. I'm still mad I didn't get the VLM F50 service MAN-LCY.
The sleeping in airports thing is just me being too tight with money  . It's not for everyone that is for sure.

Quoting signol (Reply 3):
Hi Lee,

nicely done, to catch some routes before closure.

Hiya Signol, thanks.

Quoting signol (Reply 3):
They do vary, some routes are contracted out and they can be crappy. Some are really nice, I recently had one with free wifi, power sockets, decent legroom and a "nose camera" on the front TV.

Ah, now that is interesting. We had the power and nose cam. I wonder then if we also had wi-fi and didn't notice?

Quoting signol (Reply 3):
Would normally be good, as the F100s are being retired, the F70s should be around a while yet. Still, how did you manage a £39 one-way on KLM?!

Well I think the 70s go at the end of the year also? The £39 fare was only on offer from LPL and one other airport which I can't remember now? I know what you are saying though, KLM the kings of mega expensive 1 ways.

Quoting signol (Reply 3):
Don't tell Suryo you liked the Heineken!

He will be having too much fun right now to care.

Quoting signol (Reply 3):
Reasonable considering you were on a plane, an LCC to boot. Was anything open in BSL?

Nothing was open so I made the right choice. Only a vending machine with some candy.

Quoting signol (Reply 3):
Good move, I would probably have tried to find somewhere to stay in the city, especially with a relatively late 10am flight the next day

Must be my Yorkshire roots. Short arms and deep pockets you know  .
 
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:09 pm

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Hey Lee, nice report!

Thanks Jonas, good to hear from you.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Wow that's a killer price. Had no idea KLM sold one way tickets!

If it had been the usual "mega bucks" deal, then the trip would have been a no go. Usually so expensive, but not this time.


Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
€70 is quite steep for a night at a hotel, so I'd have spent it on a bench as well. Besides with the lounge that has showers, and breakfast, etc it's just like a hotel only with the bed being a tad harder than what used to

Exactly my thinking. This is where lounge access can start to save you money other than just food. I think we might have something in common regarding $ £ €.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Haha, there's no shame in being cheap  

 
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
I recon that LPL is the only airport named after a bloke people actually recognize, as opposed to all other airports named after blokes...

Quite possibly, although I have no interest in this guy or his music either.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Why the effort. You're not going to notice the livery when flying it anyway

Just something to target, pointless, but so are a lot of things when you break them down.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
Wow, you truly are a Manchester man! I can't drink anything with alcohol in it, until after 3pm

Can't disappoint the British stereotype. I don't think the shirt and tie brigade were too happy watching me pop a cork as they tuck into their corn flakes.
 
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:25 pm

Hi, Lee,

well done. That seems a nice way to spend some aviation related time both with good company and also on the planes.
Nice pictures by the way.
The BSL lounge looks like really good. Shame that AF doesn´t operate somehting like this with all my flights lately running on the AF french party. Something more to come up this way.

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Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:36 pm

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
Hi, Lee,

well done. That seems a nice way to spend some aviation related time both with good company and also on the planes.

Hiya Markus. Nice to see your comments.
Well it's always good to meet the likeminded folks. Seems only natural that we wind up in an airport or on a plane.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
Nice pictures by the way.

Thanks very much Markus. Trying hard to get the best from the new camera. It's going ok I think?

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
The BSL lounge looks like really good. Shame that AF doesn´t operate somehting like this with all my flights lately running on the AF french party. Something more to come up this way.

Oh yes, it was a nice way to spend time. Still new for me with the recently acquired FTL. More of this to come I hope. Happy flights with AF.
 
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:47 am

Hey Lee great report and glad you got to meet up with the guys . Love the Fokker nice little machine .

Brave for sleeping on the bench Ive been there done that when I was younger . These days I couldnt do it  

Nice new design of the LX Chocs as we have discussed . You only took two ? You need to get both hands in the tray and take more lol..  

The BSL LX lounge is not much from outside but once inside its lovely.

Glad you had a grea trip .

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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:45 am

Nice report, Great picture of Liverpool at sunset, I used to live there so brings back fond memories, Your right about the airport, its fairly basic and pretty boring.
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Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:53 am

Lee,

Nice TR; I do like your pictures too !!!

Sorry about the LPL-AMS equipment-change; it was either operate the flight by F100 or cancel - good to see OFP was a new one both to Eric and you  

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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:49 pm

Hi Lee,

A very interesting report for me, having flown two of the routes and with the third on the cards for next week!

I'm guessing you were able to book a single on LX? They had some very good one-way deals on that route a couple of weeks ago, business included. It must have been a pricing error, because now they are asking horrendous fares for the same dates. I'm kicking myself for not having booked something.

Love your take off pictures from LPL- what wonderful lighting. Not too impressed with the meagre cereal bar you got though on KLM though.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I would actually make my way by train to the usual departure point of Manchester airport, and not Liverpool!!!. Turns out that it is actually more convenient for me this way as a coach makes a direct trip between the two airports (no

I didn't know this, a useful bit of information.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
An up-gauge from a F70 (which is missing in my log) to a F100. I had done 4 flights already on this type so I was a little disappointed, but hey, as I said at the top of the report, nothing is certain in this industry and you just have to accept the way it goes.

Yeah, I'll be interested to see if I get the F70. Still, I'm more worried about making the connection in AMS, so at the end of the day the F100 will be acceptable too!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Time to look at the surroundings
In-flight literature.

Looks like they've changed the in-flight magazine since I last flew with them.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I don't really like the RJs, but I will keep going with them on LX 'till I get a ride on this one.

That shopping livery is also missing from my log. I think they use it on the ZRH-LCY route quite a bit.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I was pretty disappointed here. I know it's LXeuro, but this flight is the same length as ZRH-MAN, it would be nice to get a sandwich. The coffee was only half filled even though I said I was taking it black, and the crew just seemed a little un interested. Not the usual style anyway.

The offerings on that route have always been a notch below ZRH-MAN. When it started you did get a roll, but always cheese, never a choice. Then they reduced it to just a butter bretzel. That was the one good thing about BMI when they operated the route last summer, you got a really nice sandwich!

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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:46 pm

Hi Lee

A great report - very nicely done! I agree with you - those colours outside your F100 out of LPL were amazing. Great to see how your pics came out. Lovely!

A shame that KLM swapped the F70 - I guess that gives you a reason to search for another F70 flight. Still, a F100 in today's bland aviation world of 737s and A320s is not bad going.

I felt tired reading about your night stop and sleeping at the airport -a brave man! I remember years ago spending the night at T3 at LHR and it was far from a relaxing experience. Nice that you had the lounge to go to in order to freshen up.

Shame to see the LPL flight go - I remember when it was announced with much fanfare as it was a real coup for the airport to attract an airline that wasn't a LCC for a change, with global connections through AMS.

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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:45 pm

Hi Lee,

Nice report. Good to have a "joint flight" with a couple of a.netters.

I was a bit disappointed though, I thought you'd finally write about Venice...

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Welcome to my latest report here on A.net, featuring 2 European routes that are set to be closed in the near future.
Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Firstly KLM cityhopper announced that the x3 daily Amsterdam (AMS) – Liverpool (LPL) Fokker 70 service would cease to run as of 25th March 2012.

That's a shame. Wonder what happens with their one way fares - after all this LPL route was the test market for these. Hope they introduce them systemwide, I would certainly fly more KLM in the future if that would be the case!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
This was followed by an announcement that SWISS in partnership with bmi would call an end to the RJ service from Basel (BSL) into Manchester (MAN) from May 21st 2012.

So what happens then to the route? Will anyone operate it with the BMI service probably stopping after BA assimilates it?

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I noted the arrival time into Basel as 22:35, so once again I decided to skip a hotel and sleep in the airport. I have done this a few times now and I'm starting to find it not so bad.

Well, sometimes that is a good idea. Especially in a country like Switzerland where you can be sure the airport will not be full of weirdos and security guards kicking you. I'm planning to spend a short night at MUC airport in May as well, hopefully airside. I'm planning to try those cool Napcabins they have there.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
No point messing around with different one way train tickets as it's far too expensive. Oh no, I'm starting to sound like Jonas....

Well there's no shame in being thrifty, but when it becomes too serious (like with Jonas) then you know there's a problem.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I had never used a National Express coach service before so was looking forward to the experience. The bus showed up right on time and after out tickets were inspected we were given the o.k to board the bus.

Congratulations on popping this cherry as well. I've used them a couple of times - found the service to be very reliable and comfortable and the drivers usually are very nice chaps. Fares tend to be a little high though - especially for the LGW -> LHR service.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
The main frontage of Liverpool airport paying tribute to a local band member you may have heard about.

Did you spot the Yellow Submarine in front of the terminal? That's pretty cool.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
We had some good conversation about the usual subjects, planes, planes, routes, planes, and a few plane conversations thrown in just to spice it up a touch.

Ahh, nothing like talking shop with fellow minded individuals. Bliss.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
There is not much to say about this place other than it is a bit of a dump. It just has a very old and worn out feel, broken lights, worn carpet. Some parts resembled more of a portacabin than a terminal. I guess it serves it's purpose at a minimal cost?

Try clearing UK immigration at LPL... I queued for ages in a dingy little room with a couple of smelly electric heaters on the corners. I was afraid they would set the whole place ablaze...

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
The on board service followed shortly. The biscuit was tasty and the beer was o.k. I like the design on the can.

But it is only a 0.25 liter can. Plus it is Heineken, the Dutch equivalent of Warsteiner  .

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
We said farewell as I had a security check to clear now and we head off. Thanks for a great afternoon guys, glad we found some luck with the weather in Liverpool and see you again soon I hope?

Well done!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
It must have been ok as I got 4 hours of half decent sleep taking me up to around 4am. Check in would open a 5am, so I just played Angry Birds on my Mac until then. Easy, and saved around €70.
Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
And the lounge entrance. Looks a bit of a dump from the outside.

Indeed it does (if I remember your photo correctly  ).

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Wow... This place is pretty good. Nice relaxing atmosphere and very much under used by the looks of things.

I have heard so many good things about this place so I guess I really should make an effort to go and see for myself.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Once the sun started to rise I decided to sample some of the booze on offer. I managed to get through a good few glasses of bubbly, it's never too early, is it?

Hey, like Jimmy Buffett put it "It's five o'clock somewhere".

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Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:34 pm

Great to see more replies.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
Hey Lee great report and glad you got to meet up with the guys . Love the Fokker nice little machine

Thanks Phil, it was a great day out. Those Fokkers are always good for something a little different.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
Brave for sleeping on the bench Ive been there done that when I was younger . These days I couldnt do it

Yes, looks like I am doing this more often these days.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
Nice new design of the LX Chocs as we have discussed . You only took two ? You need to get both hands in the tray and take more lol..

Yes I like the design over the old one, I might go for 24 next time  .

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
The BSL LX lounge is not much from outside but once inside its lovely.

Totally agree. I would love to spend some time there again.

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 10):
Nice report, Great picture of Liverpool at sunset, I used to live there so brings back fond memories, Your right about the airport, its fairly basic and pretty boring.
Im still yet to fly an Avro.......

Hi jrfspa320. Thanks, we got lucky with some good weather. Glad my report brought back some good memories for you. Well I guess it's not used so much so it's about as good as one could expect. It's a shame KLM pull the plug.

Quoting MH017 (Reply 11):
Lee,

Nice TR; I do like your pictures too !!!

MH017, good to hear from you and thank you.


Quoting MH017 (Reply 11):
Sorry about the LPL-AMS equipment-change; it was either operate the flight by F100 or cancel - good to see OFP was a new one both to Eric and you

Hey I was happy with the F100 option, plus a new reg in the books it's perfectly alright with me.

Quoting MH017 (Reply 11):
KLC F100's will be withdrawn this year: 1st to go is OFL on 30apr; OFN on 04jun; OFP on 28oct and the last 2 OFM+OFO on 03dec...

In that case even more happy to get one. I will try again for the 70, possibly from LBA.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
Hi Lee,

A very interesting report for me, having flown two of the routes and with the third on the cards for next week!

I'm guessing you were able to book a single on LX? They had some very good one-way deals on that route a couple of weeks ago, business included. It must have been a pricing error, because now they are asking horrendous fares for the same dates. I'm kicking myself for not having booked something.

Hiya Hannah.
Thanks and glad you found it interesting.
Indeed, I got a one way. I think it was £80ish? I would have probably gone for the biz option if it was the only way for me to enter the lounge. Really happy to get a first hand look at that place after seeing the pictures on here.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
Love your take off pictures from LPL- what wonderful lighting. Not too impressed with the meagre cereal bar you got though on KLM though.

Thanks. Yea, the bar was ok on a flight of that duration but nothing impressive. I guess it's the way it goes these days on short flights.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
I didn't know this, a useful bit of information.

Very handy service and I was happy with the price.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
Yeah, I'll be interested to see if I get the F70. Still, I'm more worried about making the connection in AMS, so at the end of the day the F100 will be acceptable too!

Well I see all went well so thats good news. 1hr is one of the connection times where things can work against you very quickly.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
Looks like they've changed the in-flight magazine since I last flew with them.

I was lucky(ish) as my flight to KRK was at the end of Feb and this is the March magazine. The content was not so different though.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
That shopping livery is also missing from my log. I think they use it on the ZRH-LCY route quite a bit.

I might look that way for it then. Only seen it at MAN the once.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
The offerings on that route have always been a notch below ZRH-MAN. When it started you did get a roll, but always cheese, never a choice. Then they reduced it to just a butter bretzel. That was the one good thing about BMI when they operated the route last summer, you got a really nice sandwich!

Good old bmi, whacky ideas but always the nice food.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 13):
Hi Lee

A great report - very nicely done! I agree with you - those colours outside your F100 out of LPL were amazing. Great to see how your pics came out. Lovely!

Howdy Pj.
Thanks mate. We can always take a helping hand from mother nature to bring some amazing scenes into our viewfinders.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 13):
A shame that KLM swapped the F70 - I guess that gives you a reason to search for another F70 flight. Still, a F100 in today's bland aviation world of 737s and A320s is not bad going.

It was, but as you say it's hard to get upset when the 100 rocks up onto stand. Take that over a 320 all day every day.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 13):
I felt tired reading about your night stop and sleeping at the airport -a brave man! I remember years ago spending the night at T3 at LHR and it was far from a relaxing experience. Nice that you had the lounge to go to in order to freshen up.

This was time number 4 for me sleeping rough. Under the right circumstances it's acceptable for me. Had I not had lounge access, perhaps a hotel would have been booked.


Quoting palmjet (Reply 13):
Shame to see the LPL flight go - I remember when it was announced with much fanfare as it was a real coup for the airport to attract an airline that wasn't a LCC for a change, with global connections through AMS.

Totally agree. Now it's just back to a Lo Co stronghold.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 14):
Hi Lee,

Nice report. Good to have a "joint flight" with a couple of a.netters.

Hi P.
It was good to see a couple of the guys again. Great way to spend some time.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 14):
I was a bit disappointed though, I thought you'd finally write about Venice...

  One day mate I might just surprise you...

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 14):
That's a shame. Wonder what happens with their one way fares - after all this LPL route was the test market for these. Hope they introduce them systemwide, I would certainly fly more KLM in the future if that would be the case!

I would fly them more also. I really like KLM and AMS is a good hub aside from a few things. As it stands presently, the one way pricing is just nuts. Lets hope they use the same idea as SK with their ok/good one way pricing.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 14):
So what happens then to the route? Will anyone operate it with the BMI service probably stopping after BA assimilates it?

I imagine it will disappear. LX seem to want to route you through ZRH using the train from BSL and sell the other flights as such.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 14):
Well, sometimes that is a good idea. Especially in a country like Switzerland where you can be sure the airport will not be full of weirdos and security guards kicking you. I'm planning to spend a short night at MUC airport in May as well, hopefully airside. I'm planning to try those cool Napcabins they have there.

Yes I don't think I would be so keen in an airport that was a bit dodgy. I check things out on the SleepingInAirports website first. I think the cabins at MUC will be pretty cool. Looking forward to hearing some about it.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 14):
Well there's no shame in being thrifty, but when it becomes too serious (like with Jonas) then you know there's a problem.

 
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 14):
Congratulations on popping this cherry as well. I've used them a couple of times - found the service to be very reliable and comfortable and the drivers usually are very nice chaps. Fares tend to be a little high though - especially for the LGW -> LHR service.

It certainly exceeded my expectations of a coach journey, albeit only a short one.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 14):
Did you spot the Yellow Submarine in front of the terminal? That's pretty cool.

Yes I saw it. Agreed, pretty cool. Probably the most photographed thing in the airport zone I reckon.


Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 14):
Try clearing UK immigration at LPL... I queued for ages in a dingy little room with a couple of smelly electric heaters on the corners. I was afraid they would set the whole place ablaze...

Yes the impression I got on arrival back from KRK a few days prior was quite dingy and left a bad impression. It looks so far that they have only modernised the departure experience.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 14):
But it is only a 0.25 liter can. Plus it is Heineken, the Dutch equivalent of Warsteiner

It seems my beer tastes have nothing in common with anyone on A.Net  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 14):
I have heard so many good things about this place so I guess I really should make an effort to go and see for myself.

Definitely something to see mate. Have a few hours to relax there.


Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 14):
Hey, like Jimmy Buffett put it "It's five o'clock somewhere".

Well thats one way to look at it. I might have to quote this some day.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 14):
I think it is time to pony up the funds for a paid subscription on your photo hosting service, mate.

Tried to get away with it again... Damn..
 
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:38 am

Hi Lee,

interesting report, good idea to catch these routes before they are gone. And with nice a.netter company it is even more enjoyable.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
An up-gauge from a F70 (which is missing in my log) to a F100.

Ooh, too bad, I would have been disappointed as well, since the F70 is missing in my log as well. But then, as fellow a.netter MH017 pointed out, KLM will withdraw their F100s from service soon, so maybe good you got one.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
The on board service followed shortly. The biscuit was tasty and the beer was o.k. I like the design on the can.

That was exactly the same biscuit I got on my latest flight with KLM cityhopper. And the can might look nice, but it is still Heineken inside   ...

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I was fascinated by the show going on outside the window. Some amazing colours during the sunset.

Indeed amazing views here. A sunset seen from a plane is usually always beautiful, these are some the moments why we all enjoy flying so much.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I was surprised how nice this area is. Really modern feel and good colours.

Exactly my impression from AMS, really like these seating areas. And you even some nice views to the apron from here.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Aircraft looking in a dirty state.

Ouch, that looks bad, that leaves not a good impression.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Wow... This place is pretty good. Nice relaxing atmosphere and very much under used by the looks of things.

That lounge looks indeed comfortable. Good idea to spend the night at the airport when you can combine it with some relaxing time in a lounge like that.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
On this occasion, you should have seen the stare down I got when I picked a couple. Jeez, I nearly put one back in the tray.

How dare you take two of them ! Seems like the service on your flight left a little to be desired, not the usual standard from Swiss.

Again thanks for this nice report!
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:02 pm

Hi Lee,

The pics are back up, excellent. That gives me an opportunity to post some comments to this most pleasant and colorful read. Quite a nice way to spend some hours in LPL with the likeminded. And man, you’re a brave man, spending the night on that metal bench, I’d be knackered and broken after such a night  

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
For those of us who have a strange fascination with flying, this situation can leave us making a quick trip to log those routes before they disappear, possibly never to return.

My wife doesn’t understand it as well, this strange, almost childish fascination for a metal winged tube. But I don’t understand either why she buys 2 pairs of shoes each month (as a figure of speech  )

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Having just returned from Krakow a few days earlier after a long weekend of partying

And blasting some  

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Oh no, I'm starting to sound like Jonas...

No, you’re still quite a long way from that, believe me.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I had done 4 flights already on this type so I was a little disappointed

At least I hope the reg was new?

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Some amazing colours during the sunset.

Agree on that, just lovely!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I was surprised how nice this area is. Really modern feel and good colours.

I’ve never seen a pic of this place, let alone visited it. Maybe a must-do for my next AMS visit?

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I would rather sit longer in a aircraft seat than on a metal bench in the airport.

How right you are.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
but I kind of like the effect the lights give.

It looks kinda lunapark-esque.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I was met by a older dragon who didn't seem too friendly, again, at 5am I can understand.

First of all: it’s her job and secondly: you should be the one feeling grumpy by the lack of sleep on that most comfortable metal bed  

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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:59 pm

Hi Lee,

good to see the report, now you managed to get the pics back online. Well written about this nice day(s) out of town!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I gave it the good old thumbs up and before much time had passed Eric messaged me asking if I would be interested to join Robert and himself on the LPLAMS flight they had booked for the evening of the 1st of March.

You know, it's always good to have some joiners on the flight to have a chat, and I knew you were looking after the F70 after all.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Turns out that it is actually more convenient for me this way as a coach makes a direct trip between the two airports

I was happy when I found these cheap GBP 7.00 fares for the ride, definitely a winner!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I was fascinated by the show going on outside the window

Amazing, wasn't it?! I was impressed too!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):

The security check was efficient and I head through into a waiting area for the low cost airlines.

You had a very calm moment to pass security, I guess only 2 more flights were departing from the M-gates (BSL and FCO?), and most passengers would've been in the secure area already. Most of the lowcost flights use the H-gates (same gate, but different entrance), since they go to the UK. Those security checks tend to be more crowded.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I was surprised how nice this area is. Really modern feel and good colours.

Indeed good looks. But, it's all the seating available, nothing around the gate areas. It has been installed just a few weeks ago, so very 'fresh' interior.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Next up was the service. I was pretty disappointed here. I know it's LXeuro, but this flight is the same length as ZRH-MAN, it would be nice to get a sandwich. The coffee was only half filled even though I said I was taking it black, and the crew just seemed a little un interested.

Very dissappointing. LX is just a standard carrier in Y these days. KLM mainline beats then catering wise.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
I can't drink anything with alcohol in it, until after 3pm

I remember last weekend you were posting messages about Leffe beer around noon...   And I thought you didn't like beer. But I know... things change.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
€70 is quite steep for a night at a hotel

It's not 'steep' at all in general, considering Basel is Switzerland, this amount would be very reasonable. But, Lee had a very late arrival and early departure again, so an understandable decision to keep this money. I would do the same under this condition.

Regards
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:11 pm

Hi Lee

Great job on ticking 2 routes of the list before they are history.
I've logged the SWISS Avro and the KL F70 already and found them to be very good.
BSL seems like a cozy airport as well
Like the detail in the pics you've taken.

Greetings
Marc
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:48 pm

Nice read Lee, thanks for posting.

The £39 fare is a steal, don't blame you for an on the spot booking, crazy not to!

Shame on the aircraft sub to the F100, unusual too since they only have a few of these left.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Once the sun started to rise I decided to sample some of the booze on offer. I managed to get through a good few glasses of bubbly, it's never too early, is it?

- Never too early, especially after sleeping on an airport bench, it's needed!

Cheers

Mark
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:05 pm

Good evening Lee,

look at the coincidences! I've just arrived from an RJ ride and here I am, reading about another forumer flying on one of those funny little things. Plus, I've slept at a Swiss airport as well, even if not in Basel and on a slightly more comfortable looking bench than yours. And, last but not least, I've scored a Fokker as well!

I'm quite surprised about your experiences on National express and Swiss. Regarding the first, I've never seen similar seats or similar interiors on their buses, if I remember correctly; rather, what I've seen so far made me rename them "National crampedness" due to their absymal seat pitch. Mind you, my experiences are limited to the Finchley rd - Stansted run, though.

Finally, Swiss: I've logged four flights on them lately (well, one was on Helvetic, but still) and it never happened to me to see my cup of coffee half empty! Instead, I'm thinking about awarding them my very personal (and worthless, I'm afraid) award for the best in-flight coffee served in Europe! And I always asked it black, without sugar or any other paraphernalia. Strange.

However, it's been a great read as usual! And congrats for the pictures, I loved how you got the EZY bird soaking in the Basel fog...

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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:31 pm

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18):
I remember last weekend you were posting messages about Leffe beer around noon...   And I thought you didn't like beer. But I know... things change.

Hehe, well Eric it was 2.30pm when I drank it, so yes 30 minutes ahead of my usual schedule. True I'm not the biggest fan of beer, although some types are drinkable, especially Leffe which is little sweet and nice. Heineken however I am not a big fan of, tastes like dishwater.  

Wheels up!
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:34 pm

Hi Lee!

Nice report, for sure a good idea to try these routes before they are being cancelled.
Nice to catch a flight on a F100, even if you wanted a F70, I still need to log both of them!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I wasn't sure what food would be available at BSL during the night so I decided to purchase a meal deal on this flight. €8 was not so bad, the sandwich was substantial and contained chorizo and gherkin.

I bought the same menu on my one and only EZY flight.

Martin
 
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:23 pm

Excellent photography - wish I could get mine to come out that good, although I guess I am still a beginner in the dslr world!
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:02 pm

Great trip report with some fantastic photos, especially of the colourful Swiss RJ, and the foggy landing shots!
As always, I love trip reports of regional airliners, so the RJ100, and Fokker 100 pleased me greatly!
 
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:59 pm

Thanks for more comments. Really appreciate you taking time to write.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 16):
Hi Lee,

interesting report, good idea to catch these routes before they are gone. And with nice a.netter company it is even more enjoyable.

Howdy Capt.
Thanks. Yes, more interested in this than most of the new stuff.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 16):
Ooh, too bad, I would have been disappointed as well, since the F70 is missing in my log as well. But then, as fellow a.netter MH017 pointed out, KLM will withdraw their F100s from service soon, so maybe good you got one.

For sure not bad, I can't see a time when I would have had chance/reason to fly this way again this year.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 16):
That was exactly the same biscuit I got on my latest flight with KLM cityhopper. And the can might look nice, but it is still Heineken inside

It's on the "backlog" to read list  .

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 16):
Indeed amazing views here. A sunset seen from a plane is usually always beautiful, these are some the moments why we all enjoy flying so much.

Yes, these moments stick in your mind for quite some time.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 16):
That lounge looks indeed comfortable. Good idea to spend the night at the airport when you can combine it with some relaxing time in a lounge like that.

And the low number of users made it even more so. Glad I finally made a visit.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 16):
How dare you take two of them ! Seems like the service on your flight left a little to be desired, not the usual standard from Swiss.

Not what I'm used to. I really enjoy the mainline service, but this was not good.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 17):
Hi Lee,

The pics are back up, excellent. That gives me an opportunity to post some comments to this most pleasant and colorful read. Quite a nice way to spend some hours in LPL with the likeminded. And man, you’re a brave man, spending the night on that metal bench, I’d be knackered and broken after such a night

Hey Nils.
Ha ha, yes my being cheap plan backfired on me.
Well I'm willing to take some discomfort for the flying passion you know.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 17):
My wife doesn’t understand it as well, this strange, almost childish fascination for a metal winged tube. But I don’t understand either why she buys 2 pairs of shoes each month (as a figure of speech &nbsp Wink

We all enjoy different things mate. As long as the passion is there, it's all good in the hood.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 17):
And blasting some

That was ace  .

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 17):
At least I hope the reg was new?

Indeed it was. Can't see the others getting ticked off though.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 17):
I’ve never seen a pic of this place, let alone visited it. Maybe a must-do for my next AMS visit?

Left quite a good impression.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 17):
It looks kinda lunapark-esque.

It was very spacey and trippy.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 17):
First of all: it’s her job and secondly: you should be the one feeling grumpy by the lack of sleep on that most comfortable metal bed

Maybe she thought I was a tramp?

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18):
Hi Lee,

good to see the report, now you managed to get the pics back online. Well written about this nice day(s) out of town!

Hey Eric.
Thanks, maybe we might see your version in 2012? backlog and all.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18):
You know, it's always good to have some joiners on the flight to have a chat, and I knew you were looking after the F70 after all.

I can only agree.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18):
I was happy when I found these cheap GBP 7.00 fares for the ride, definitely a winner!

It worked perfectly and we got the job done in comfort also.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18):
Amazing, wasn't it?! I was impressed too!

Sure was. I had a feeling your shutter would be going crazy as you were on the same side.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18):
You had a very calm moment to pass security, I guess only 2 more flights were departing from the M-gates (BSL and FCO?), and most passengers would've been in the secure area already. Most of the lowcost flights use the H-gates (same gate, but different entrance), since they go to the UK. Those security checks tend to be more crowded.

Yes I think it was just 2 or 3 to go that evening. It was quite a walk from the main area to the gate. M6 I think it was?

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18):
Indeed good looks. But, it's all the seating available, nothing around the gate areas. It has been installed just a few weeks ago, so very 'fresh' interior.

I noticed some light construction going on and figured it must be new.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18):
Very dissappointing. LX is just a standard carrier in Y these days. KLM mainline beats then catering wise.

Yes I have had some good food with my 2 KL mainline flights last year.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 19):
Hi Lee

Great job on ticking 2 routes of the list before they are history.
I've logged the SWISS Avro and the KL F70 already and found them to be very good.
BSL seems like a cozy airport as well
Like the detail in the pics you've taken.

Hiya Marc, good to hear from you.
2 down and a lot more to go  
BSL was pretty good yes, I like the small ports.
Thanks mate.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 20):
Nice read Lee, thanks for posting.

Hi Mark, glad you enjoyed the report.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 20):
The £39 fare is a steal, don't blame you for an on the spot booking, crazy not to!

Natural reaction. I just instinctively hit purchase when I see that price on an airline website  .

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 20):
Shame on the aircraft sub to the F100, unusual too since they only have a few of these left.

I think they sit on standby for the 70s?

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 20):
Never too early, especially after sleeping on an airport bench, it's needed!

If I could rely on 2 guys here to understand it would be P and you  .

Quoting JL418 (Reply 21):
Good evening Lee,

look at the coincidences! I've just arrived from an RJ ride and here I am, reading about another forumer flying on one of those funny little things. Plus, I've slept at a Swiss airport as well, even if not in Basel and on a slightly more comfortable looking bench than yours. And, last but not least, I've scored a Fokker as well!

Hey mate, and a very good day/evening to you.
Great that you have some of these things done. The RJs sure a funny little birds. To be honest I'm hoping that LX ditch them as soon as possible for the CSeries, whenever that is likely to be delivered?

Quoting JL418 (Reply 21):
I'm quite surprised about your experiences on National express and Swiss. Regarding the first, I've never seen similar seats or similar interiors on their buses, if I remember correctly; rather, what I've seen so far made me rename them "National crampedness" due to their absymal seat pitch. Mind you, my experiences are limited to the Finchley rd - Stansted run, though.

Must be the latest design of coach and interior? I was expecting a bit of an older vehicle being that the journey was quite short by the usual standards.

Quoting JL418 (Reply 21):
Finally, Swiss: I've logged four flights on them lately (well, one was on Helvetic, but still) and it never happened to me to see my cup of coffee half empty! Instead, I'm thinking about awarding them my very personal (and worthless, I'm afraid) award for the best in-flight coffee served in Europe! And I always asked it black, without sugar or any other paraphernalia. Strange.

Totally a first for me too. All my LX flights inc Helvetic have left me very happy about the service. It was a bit poor for a flight of this duration.

Quoting JL418 (Reply 21):
However, it's been a great read as usual! And congrats for the pictures, I loved how you got the EZY bird soaking in the Basel fog...

Thanks, and glad they hit the mark for you. Cheers.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 23):
Hi Lee!

Nice report, for sure a good idea to try these routes before they are being cancelled.
Nice to catch a flight on a F100, even if you wanted a F70, I still need to log both of them!

Hi Martin.
Thank you very much. It was a good move, don't want to be kicking myself over missing any more routes.
Good luck in future to fly these great aircraft, you wont be disappointed.

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 24):
Excellent photography - wish I could get mine to come out that good, although I guess I am still a beginner in the dslr world!

Hi jwhite9158.
Thank you. Just keep on going and practice will make you better. Always new things to try and understand in the photography world, which is why it's so good.

Quoting countvis (Reply 25):
Great trip report with some fantastic photos, especially of the colourful Swiss RJ, and the foggy landing shots!
As always, I love trip reports of regional airliners, so the RJ100, and Fokker 100 pleased me greatly!

Hi countvis, thanks for your kind words.
Yes, the regional stuff is good. I find a lot of inspiration from the regional reports in Northern Europe.
 
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:48 pm

Hello Lee,

I was finally able to read it! Thanks for sharing, great read, and good for you to catch those routes while they are still out there.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I was fascinated by the show going on outside the window. Some amazing colours during the sunset.

Amazing! That's why I love flying...!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
The security check was efficient and I head through into a waiting area for the low cost airlines.

It looks different from the last time I visited it (april 2011). Does anyone know if it's been remodeled or something?

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
The on board service followed shortly. The biscuit was tasty and the beer was o.k. I like the design on the can.

Familiar biscuit  
Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Wow... This place is pretty good.

Indeed!

[Edited 2012-03-16 14:51:01]
 
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:51 pm

Hello Lee

To begin with, sorry for the late reply. I hadn´t time to read your story properly until now. Saying that, a great story with really good just like expected! Thanks for the great company, it was a really fun day of flying.

The bench you spent the night on on BSL dosn´t looks that comfortable but still get with 4 hours which isn´t that bad:D Sleeping at an airport is something that I still have to try!

The lounge looks really nice!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Some amazing colours during the sunset

I can only agree with previous comments, amazing pictures! We were really lucky with the weather! I hadn´t that on my last visit to the UK. Rain and fog all the time:D

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I was surprised how nice this area is.

Nice! Not what you expect from a LCC terminal that´s for sure. Compare that with the one at CPH, he he

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I know it's LXeuro, but this flight is the same length

Interesting. I didn´t know that there were a difference in service on LXeuro!?

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Lets make an excuse to do it again sometime.

Absolutely! Maybe trying to catch the F70 again?

Greetings
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:08 am

Hello Lee,

What an awesome report! It’s just amazing how you set the itinerary. Like you have said, 3 new routes, 3 new registrations and not to forget, 3 A.netters! Love it!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I told him I would get back to him in a few days, but when I saw the price of just £39 I booked it without a second thought right there and then.

Good move! Before you knew, the price could turn into £93!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I could then move into the SWISS lounge and get comfortable in there.

Making the most of your Silver status in the most beautiful LX lounge .   


Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Having just returned from Krakow a few days earlier after a long weekend of partying then going right back into work for a couple of days I could have used a bit of a longer lay in bed.

Haha, you are not twenty anymore.   


Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Oh no, I'm starting to sound like Jonas....

  


Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
GA stuff but nothing amazingly exciting.

Would it have been exciting if Garuda (GA) was in Liverpool at that time?

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
Due to the change in aircraft I had inadvertently snagged an exit row seat. Very good legroom and a comfortable old seat.

Blessing in disguise. By the way, is that your notebook inside the seat pocket?

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
but I kind of like the effect the lights give.

Let's get the party started!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
I managed to get through a good few glasses of bubbly, it's never too early, is it?

Bubbly fits all day long! 


Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Thread starter):
On this occasion, you should have seen the stare down I got when I picked a couple. Jeez, I nearly put one back in the tray.

Ouch, that’s bad! Did they get up on the wrong side of the bed? It’s not LX style at all!


Thank you for sharing. Hopefully, I can be part of the company next time.

Cheers,
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RE: Flying Before Route Axing

Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:18 am

HI Lee,

Some really crisp photos here. Many thanks and well done on a great report.

I just took a National Express yesterday, and their coaches are in mint condition.

Nice misty effects in BSL too!

Rgds

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