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Japan Airlines 777 Tokyo HND - Osaka ITM In Y

Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:59 pm

B A C K G R O U N D

This is my second flight with a Japan Airlines but the first one was back in August 1997 which was before Airliners.net so I did not make a trip report then. Now that I was in Asia to fly Garuda Indonesia, I was trying to find an itinary to fit in a flight on Japan Airlines. Japan Airlines has been thru some rough years after the merger with JAS and then bankruptcy.

T H E F L I G H T

Date : 12 October 2013
Route : Tokyo HND – Osaka ITM
Distance : 251 miles
Flight : JL 139
Flight Time : 0:50h
Dep. Time : 19:30
Aircraft : Boeing 777-289
Registration : JA010D
Dep. Gate : 15
Seat : 59D
Inflight Entertainment : Moving map, outside camera (overhead screens)

229th flight on a Boeing 777; 87th on a -200.
2nd flight on Japan Airlines
Flown on 129 Boeing 777 aircraft (frames)

After a great day of spotting mostly at Terminal 2, I went downstairs to check in. It was fairly quick and security also just took a few minutes.

There were three flights to ITM leaving within an hour and all 777s so a lot of people in the gate area. I got thru 10mins before the 1830 flight and I asked if I could get on but the flights was closed although there were a lot of people standing around…..

So I went to the gate for the next flight, just around the corner. There was hardly any passengers at the gate and no gate agent 35 minutes before the flight! Five minutes later, the JAL gate agent shows up and I tell him I’m flying standby. Boarding eventually starts at 1847 for a 1900 departure! Some standbys are called at 1855 and some passengers are casually walking up to board at departure time! There are now three agents working the standby list and at 1902 they say that the flight is closed. I ask them that perhaps they are missing passengers so perhaps there’s a seat left ? They barely answer me back and say the the list is transferred to he next flight right next door at 1925. Boarding starts at 1905 and I get called at 1910 and I’m happy to get the seat on the last flight to Osaka. The door to the aircraft closes at 1925 but we wait for pushback five more minutes probably due to traffic

There are only two rows of First class on this aircraft and there are perhaps 10 rows of Economy Comfort, where the seat is wider and it’s 2-4-2 across. I get an aisle seat in the second to last row where the configuration is 2-4-2 rather than 3-4-3. Legroom is good and the seat is comfortable. Flight is almost full with a load factor of 95 %.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/The777Man/JL%20777/P9120053.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/The777Man/JL%20777/P9120055.jpg

The colors of the seat seems to be the same that I had 15 years ago but it's light and keep the cabin bright. This is a ex-Japan Air System aircraft and I recall that they had TVs at every seat so Japan Airlines must have taken them out after the merger. There’s also a large IFE box under the seat which was not removed when they took out the PTVs. Strange…..

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/The777Man/JL%20777/P9120061.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/The777Man/JL%20777/P9120063.jpg

There are headsets in the seat pocket and I’m amazed when I find the very old 1970s style headsets there! Who would put sockets like that on a plane built in the late 1990s ?

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/The777Man/JL%20777/P9120056.jpg

The flight attendants do their safety checks and they are all young and very friendly unlike on my previous JAL flight. Their uniform reminds me of what Air France’s flight attendants wear.

As we taxi out, the camera from the nose gear is one which is a nice treat. It’s dark outside so not much of a view unfortunately .

The flight is very short but there is a drink service where lemonade is served. It’s a bit similar to kabosu (lime juice) that I’ve had on ANA.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/The777Man/JL%20777/P9120067.jpg

The moving map makes a brief appearance on the overhead screens before the camera comes on and we land at Itami airport.

C O N C L U S I O N

Japan Airlines domestic is about the same as my experience about 15 years earlier but the flight attendants are friendlier. I still prefer ANA but may try Japan Airlines internationally which I’m sure is a very different experience.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/The777Man/JL%20777/IMG_0908.jpg

Comments welcome

The777Man

Previous reports from the same trip

Garuda Indonesia 77W CGK-NRT In Y (by The777Man Sep 17 2013 in Trip Reports)

Malaysia Airlines 777 NRT-KUL In Y (by The777Man Sep 24 2013 in Trip Reports)

KLM 77W Kuala Lumpur KUL - Jakarta CGK In Y (by The777Man Oct 7 2013 in Trip Reports)
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Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:19 pm

Hi Lars,

Nice little report here on JAL. Shame to see there was such a hassle trying to get on the first 2 flights, nice to see you got on in the end though!
Three flights on all 777s within in an hour is quite impressive.
Those sure are some old school headphones!

cheers,

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Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:55 pm

Hi, L.,

really good to follow another T7 experience from you´re hand.
And also interesting to see the comparison between the first and the actual service.
Strange headsets, definitely.

Looking forward to more T7´s around the world.

Greetings,
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Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:54 pm

Nice short report Lars!

Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):
So I went to the gate for the next flight, just around the corner. There was hardly any passengers at the gate and no gate agent 35 minutes before the flight! Five minutes later, the JAL gate agent shows up and I tell him I’m flying standby. Boarding eventually starts at 1847 for a 1900 departure! Some standbys are called at 1855 and some passengers are casually walking up to board at departure time! There are now three agents working the standby list and at 1902 they say that the flight is closed. I ask them that perhaps they are missing passengers so perhaps there’s a seat left ? They barely answer me back and say the the list is transferred to he next flight right next door at 1925. Boarding starts at 1905 and I get called at 1910 and I’m happy to get the seat on the last flight to Osaka. The door to the aircraft closes at 1925 but we wait for pushback five more minutes probably due to traffic

Hmm, seems like they don't like having to deal with standby pax! Still, lucky you managed to get a flight.
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RE: Japan Airlines 777 Tokyo HND - Osaka ITM In Y

Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:34 pm

Hi The777Man!

Well done on this report! What a hassle prior to boarding, I guess flying ‘standby’ must be stressfull at times? I do wonder: are you entitled to ‘any’ available seat or just in economy class? The interior on the 777 seems quite different from the one that is on the 787 but of course the 787 is a newer plane.

Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):
I get an aisle seat in the second to last row where the configuration is 2-4-2 rather than 3-4-3.

The best section in the house iyam. The only downside can be the presence of the galley and toilets, hence lots of ‘passing traffic’  

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Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:27 am

Sawasdeekrup triple7man!!!

It was very nice to read about JL and your trip report! I had no idea there was a Comfort Cabin!!! I would rather have 2-4-2 in Y on versus 3-4-3 in Y! I have never flown in such configuration, so I'm curious about the passenger perception between the two!

Thanks for taking time to post this and I am definitely looking forward to meeting you in BKK and also reading about your future BKK-DFW-BKK trip!!!

Cheers and thank you!!!

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Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:33 pm

hello Lars,

Interesting experience on your favorite frame. It's always nice on a short hop too!  
i'm glad you could make it on this flight.
For sure those headsets are really vintage but so unique

Thanks for sharing
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:42 pm

Hi Lars  

Nice report and WOW those headphones are truly retro ! I still have my old OA pair from the B742 over two decades ago. Im not sure the quality would be decent though with them as its piped?

Thanks for the report.

Regards

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Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:55 pm

Hi Lars,

Nice read and pictures, loving the 70's retro headsets!

I love the way they start boarding so close to departure time yet still manage to complete it on-time, it was like it on all my domestic flight in Japan, even a packed NH 773!

Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):
I still prefer ANA

- Me too, not sure why, they just felt better than JL.

Cheers

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Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:03 pm

Hello Lars,

Thanks for sharing this short story on JAL. I am always amazed by the Japanese domestic operations, 4 777 flights within an hour - wow. JL seems decent enough, but not much to impress on during a one hour flight of course.
 
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Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:35 pm

Hi !

Thanks for all the comments !

@Brendan;

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 1):
Nice little report here on JAL. Shame to see there was such a hassle trying to get on the first 2 flights, nice to see you got on in the end though!

Thanks ! I'm used to it but I think a lot of people buy tickets very late on such a route as HND-ITM. Flight could look very open and two days later it's full.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 1):
Three flights on all 777s within in an hour is quite impressive.

Yes, very nice for a 777 flyer like me.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 1):
Those sure are some old school headphones!

I was surprised to see them on a new plane like the 777. They would be more at appropriate on a DC-10 or L-1011.

@Markus;

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
really good to follow another T7 experience from you´re hand.
And also interesting to see the comparison between the first and the actual service.
Strange headsets, definitely.

yes, it's a bit different on a short domestic flight within Japan.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
Looking forward to more T7´s around the world.

One more report coming up soon.

@Gabriel;

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
Hmm, seems like they don't like having to deal with standby pax! Still, lucky you managed to get a flight.

There were also revenue standbys and surely it would be good to know how many, if any people you miss ?

@Nils;

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 4):
Well done on this report! What a hassle prior to boarding, I guess flying ‘standby’ must be stressfull at times?

Yes, I got on the last flight on JL and had already paid for the hotel so I was getting a bit concerned.

Quoting Sultanils (Reply 4):
I do wonder: are you entitled to ‘any’ available seat or just in economy class? The interior on the 777 seems quite different from the one that is on the 787 but of course the 787 is a newer plane.

Usually just a seat in Y but depends on the airline. BA and LX have upgraded me on flight within Europe.

I think they are very similar but the 787 feels much more "plastic" to me.


Quoting Sultanils (Reply 4):
The best section in the house iyam. The only downside can be the presence of the galley and toilets, hence lots of ‘passing traffic’  

Yes, I like sitting in the back when I do trip reports since I usually get to board first and then can take pictures before the plane fills up.

@Airfreak;

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 5):
I would rather have 2-4-2 in Y on versus 3-4-3 in Y! I have never flown in such configuration, so I'm curious about the passenger perception between the two!

It's for extra cost. Not sure how much more it would have been.

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 5):
Thanks for taking time to post this and I am definitely looking forward to meeting you in BKK and also reading about your future BKK-DFW-BKK trip!!!

You must have me confused with someone else.....

@Leonard;

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 6):
Interesting experience on your favorite frame. It's always nice on a short hop too!  
i'm glad you could make it on this flight.
For sure those headsets are really vintage but so unique

Short flighs on large planes are great ! I was very happy that I made the flight! So surprised to see those old headsets on a 777.

@Philip;

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
Nice report and WOW those headphones are truly retro ! I still have my old OA pair from the B742 over two decades ago. Im not sure the quality would be decent though with them as its piped?

I should have kept mine as a souvenir.....Next time. Very old-school! From what I recall, the sound quality is awful.

@Mark;

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 8):
Nice read and pictures, loving the 70's retro headsets!

 
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 8):
I love the way they start boarding so close to departure time yet still manage to complete it on-time, it was like it on all my domestic flight in Japan, even a packed NH 773!

It must be stressfull for the gate agents.....Not much carry on bags though.

I will do more 777 flights within Japan eventually.

@Robert;

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 9):
Thanks for sharing this short story on JAL. I am always amazed by the Japanese domestic operations, 4 777 flights within an hour - wow. JL seems decent enough, but not much to impress on during a one hour flight of course.

It was great to see the operation of NH from the observation deck at T2; one wide body plane leaves and a another one pulls in.

JL was okay but not impressive.

Thanks again for the comments !

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Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:39 am

Hi Lars,

very enjoyable report about this 777 mission! I also flew on an ex-JAS bird some years ago and I can tell the cabin looked nice and the plane still had PTVs.

Rocketing To Tokyo: FUK-HND On JAL (ex-JAS) 777 (by PlaneHunter Dec 15 2007 in Trip Reports)

Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):
The colors of the seat seems to be the same that I had 15 years ago but it's light and keep the cabin bright. This is a ex-Japan Air System aircraft and I recall that they had TVs at every seat so Japan Airlines must have taken them out after the merger. There’s also a large IFE box under the seat which was not removed when they took out the PTVs. Strange…..

Removing the boxes would save weight, but who knows...

Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):
There are headsets in the seat pocket and I’m amazed when I find the very old 1970s style headsets there! Who would put sockets like that on a plane built in the late 1990s ?

Nice, I got those on the JAL 744D between NGO and OKA.


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Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:13 pm

Hi PlaneHunter!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
very enjoyable report about this 777 mission! I also flew on an ex-JAS bird some years ago and I can tell the cabin looked nice and the plane still had PTVs.

Thanks !

Too bad that JL took them out.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
Removing the boxes would save weight, but who knows..

Very odd to keep those big boxes with no IFE system.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
Nice, I got those on the JAL 744D between NGO and OKA.

Very old! I was very surprised.

Thanks again for the comment!

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Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:53 am

Hey! Thanks for the report. I've wanted to try JAL for quite some time, and it's good to see that the airline is seemingly heading in the right direction now.

Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):
They barely answer me back and say the the list is transferred to he next flight right next door at 1925.

This is strange and very surprising for a Japanese airline. I would not have been too pleased!

Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):
There are headsets in the seat pocket and I’m amazed when I find the very old 1970s style headsets there! Who would put sockets like that on a plane built in the late 1990s ?

I haven't seen those in years! I think I last used those on a DL 767 flight in the late 90s. Pretty cool!

Also nice that you got a non-ER 777!
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:42 pm

Hi Lars, nice short review of your short flight. Seems like JAL are fairly consistent with their on board product - the seats look pretty much identical from my 767 flight a couple of months back and from what I've seen of their 787. The only difference being your flight didn't have seat back IFE - so guessing this one is used for domestic flights only. At least I'd hope so with those old earphones!
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:00 pm

Hi MHTripple7!

Good to hear from you!

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 13):
Hey! Thanks for the report. I've wanted to try JAL for quite some time, and it's good to see that the airline is seemingly heading in the right direction now.

I think they are heading in the right direction. This is just a short domestic flight. Very similar in length to LAX-LAS or MCO-ATL.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 13):
This is strange and very surprising for a Japanese airline. I would not have been too pleased!

They were very busy so I can understand. I was very happy to get on the last flight!

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 13):
I haven't seen those in years! I think I last used those on a DL 767 flight in the late 90s. Pretty cool!

I didn't know DL had those on 767s! They would have been standard on DC-10s, L10s and early 747s.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 13):
Also nice that you got a non-ER 777!

Yes, that was nice but he 777-200/ER or -300/ER is probably much nicer.

Hi James !

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 14):

Hi Lars, nice short review of your short flight. Seems like JAL are fairly consistent with their on board product - the seats look pretty much identical from my 767 flight a couple of months back and from what I've seen of their 787. The only difference being your flight didn't have seat back IFE - so guessing this one is used for domestic flights only. At least I'd hope so with those old earphones!

It was a nice flight for being so short. Always great to fly a wide body aircraft even for a short flight.

Yes, these are only used within Japan. They are not even used to Korea or China that are close by.

Thanks again for the replies.

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Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:25 pm

Quoting the777man (Reply 12):
Very odd to keep those big boxes with no IFE system.

  

Quoting The777Man (Reply 15):
Yes, that was nice but he 777-200/ER or -300/ER is probably much nicer.

Have you seen the new "Sky Next" cabins on domestic aircraft? Looks nice, but they shouldn't have selected leather seats.


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Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:46 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
Have you seen the new "Sky Next" cabins on domestic aircraft? Looks nice, but they shouldn't have selected leather seats.

I haven't seen that until that picture but not my style. Also not a fan of leather seats.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
I'm wondering how many 777-200 non-ERs will get the new cabin. One frame has already been scrapped, unfortunately.

A second 777 was sent to the desert this last week.

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Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:05 pm

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):

A second 777 was sent to the desert this last week.

That's bad indeed, another frame which is just 18 years old. I'm wondering why JAL doesn't retire 24, 25, 26 year old 763s instead.


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