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Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Wed Jun 19, 2002 10:31 pm

I was reading a book called 'Air Port'. One of its photo showed an Air New Zealand B 747-200 being parked at FRA.

Did Air New Zealand EVER fly to Frankfurt? Or was it simply a check up of something like that?



 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Wed Jun 19, 2002 10:37 pm

October 30, 1987
Inaugural Auckland-Frankfurt service via HNL and LAX. The return southbound service continues on to SYD.

October 29, 1991
A second weekly direct service between New Zealand and Germany is established by Air New Zealand. The Auckland-Frankfurt Boeing 747 services operate on Tuesdays and Fridays.

July 23, 1993
Air New Zealand announces a third weekly Boeing 747-400 service to Frankfurt, starting November 4.

July 4, 1995
Start of Air New Zealand's third direct Frankfurt-Los Angeles-Auckland service, replacing flights operated via London.


Air New Zealand service to Frankfurt ceased in 2001.
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Wed Jun 19, 2002 10:44 pm

So actually, Air New Zealand is EXPANDING into frankfurt.

Umm........ then why did they pull out of FRA?

Sad......
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Wed Jun 19, 2002 10:51 pm

United_Airline - Air New Zealand pulled out of Frankfurt because it was deemed more cost effective to codeshare with alliance partner Lufthansa than to fly the route with its own metal. A shame, but thats the nature of the modern aviation business.

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Wed Jun 19, 2002 10:55 pm

Sad.....................
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Wed Jun 19, 2002 11:35 pm

So do they have plans to resume service to FRA?
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Wed Jun 19, 2002 11:44 pm

I saw NZ in FRA several times. They flew every Friday and Saturday from FRA via LAX to AKL.

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Wed Jun 19, 2002 11:57 pm

So do they have plans to resume service to FRA?
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 12:07 am

United Airline,

I don`t think so because LH has 2 flights to LAX in the summer. At LAX you have perfect connection to NZ`s flights to AKL.

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 12:09 am

I heard that LH MIGHT resume service to Australia. Do you think they will?

I doubt it...... Coz Australia is not a very big market for airlines in Europe. Furthermore, British Airways is the ONLY airline from Europe flying into Australia.

Air New Zealand? Maybe. Since they did quite well on that route.

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 12:12 am

Doesnt Lauda Air fly to Australia?
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 12:15 am

LH to Australia? It would be nice but I don`t think they do so because you can fly from Germany to Australia on TG via BKK or on SQ via SIN. It would make no sense if LH operates that flight with an own plane. That is also the sense of Alliances, you do not have to operate on every flight with your own planes.

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 12:19 am

Yes, Lauda Air DOES fly to Australia.
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 12:25 am

Yes, I forgot NG, also a Star Alliance member that fly to Australia (SYD and MEL). And an other reason for LH not to fly with own planes.

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 3:29 am


Posted 2002-06-19 16:35:55 and read 93 times.
So do they have plans to resume service to FRA?

Posted 2002-06-19 16:57:53 and read 73 times.
So do they have plans to resume service to FRA?



First of all, why post the same thing twice in 22 minutes?

If ANZ is planning to resume FRA, they don't have to cease FRA back in 2001.

ANZ now serves triple daily to FRA through LH code-share.

About Lauda Air, Lufthansa only codeshare with Lauda to KUL. The code-share does not extends to Australia. LH's presence in OZ/NZ region is operated by Thai/ANZ/SIA.
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 3:53 am

Oh yeah?

This forum was having a GOOD TIME before you post some topics that was discussed over and over.

By the way, read my new post on NZ begins code-share flight with LH from HKG.
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:51 am

United Airline - since I'm about to post a definitive answer to your question, you NEVER need to ask it again.

AIR NEW ZEALAND WILL NEVER RESUME SERVICE TO FRANKFURT UNLESS THEY LEAVE STAR ALLIANCE.

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:01 am

Going via the US is quicker.
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:09 am

9V-SVA, you're yelling at the wrong person. You're on fire man!  Smile

May be the reason why NZ didn't fly Asia-Europe is because they don't want to compete with Qantas?
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:24 pm

Jiml1126,

There are MANY nice people on Airliners.net. But you certainly not one of them.

If you do not like my topics, please, do me a favour..... DO NOT reply to that topic. I don't want you to ruin a good topic.

There are many helpful users who are willing to answer my questions.

OK?

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:37 pm

Still, I manage to get some replies.  Smile

One more thing, Air NZ DID fly to FRA. Even with their B 747-200s I can tell you.

Does anyone know WHEN will ZK-SUH return to service? The lease has been renewed and it is undergoing D-checks.

 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:40 pm

So what if AirNZ flew to FRA, you didn't know that until you posted.  Insane

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:42 pm

By the way, WHERE is Gary Toomey now?

He was the President and CEO for Air New Zealand-Ansett Australia Airline Group. And for sure he is a nice guy.

Is he working still? I heard that he was one of those top men for Qantas.

Ok folks! Tell you this funny little thing.

He wanted to buy a house and deal was about to go through. However, when this former Ansett Employee saw his name, he IMMEDIATELY said NO!

 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:44 pm

He wanted to buy a house and deal was about to go through.

And this has WHAT exact connection to Air New Zealand's service to Frankfurt?????
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:49 pm

I don't want you to ruin a good topic.

Thats good, 'cos he picked this crappy topic to ruin instead.


Same as this one. It got nothing to do with Air New Zealand's service to Frankfurt.


Air New Zealand's flights to Frankfurt was actually EXPANDING.

October 30, 1987
Inaugural Auckland-Frankfurt service via HNL and LAX. The return southbound service continues on to SYD.

October 29, 1991
A second weekly direct service between New Zealand and Germany is established by Air New Zealand. The Auckland-Frankfurt Boeing 747 services operate on Tuesdays and Fridays.

July 23, 1993
Air New Zealand announces a third weekly Boeing 747-400 service to Frankfurt, starting November 4.

July 4, 1995
Start of Air New Zealand's third direct Frankfurt-Los Angeles-Auckland service, replacing flights operated via London


At the end, they couldn't make it. But now, at least the lease for ZK-SUH has been renewed and will be put back into service pretty soon.


Regards.
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:49 pm

It's not that funny. It's actually quite sad.

Toomey worked for QF before he went to NZ.

Your story sounds more like an afterthought and hence probably isn't true.
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:55 pm

That I agree.

Its actually quite sad.

Everyone is pointing their fingers at him.

Cheers.
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:58 pm

Then why did you say it was funny??  Nuts

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 3:03 pm

Air New Zealand's flights to Frankfurt was actually EXPANDING.

Yeah, 3x weekly to 0x weekly is an expansion alright.

You sure about those good grades????  Smile
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 3:04 pm

I think United Airline has taken post-structuralism a little too far  Smile

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 3:40 pm

Coachman - I *think* United_Airline meant funny as in strange, not funny as in haha. And who knows - maybe post-structuralism will catch on - heck, I am sitting here revising notes for exams, and I think I can see a resemblance!

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 3:58 pm

Ah...the joys of USyd exams  Smile

I'm meant to be doing it as well...grr...

He could have been, I've definitely dabbled into post-structuralism  Smile

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:16 pm

Gary toomey currently lives in Misson Bay in Auckland.

He is having a LONG break i heard, and does not know if he will be returning to the airline business.
From what i understand he walks every morning around Mission Bay...but not this morning i am imagining...gosh it was liek a hurrican out there...

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:27 pm

AirNewZealand - Are you sure of that? He used to live in St Heliers Bay (on St Heliers Bay Road to be precise - I wont give out the address, partly because that would be very rude, and partly because I cant remember it). I drove past it every day last year (no, I wasn't being a neurotic airliners.net stalker, it just happened to be on my way to pretty much everywhere), and I remember one day seeing TV crews outside - that night it was reported the house was up for sale, and sure enough there were For Sale signs outside the next day. It sold very quickly too. Last I heard is that he had moved out of Auckland (and possibly NZ) after he sold this house...

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:43 pm

Well, there were the Aussie media reports saying Toomey wanted to buy a house in Australia. When he was looking for a house in Brisbane, the seller happened to be an Ansett pilot.

I guess he didn't buy that house.

Cheers,

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:23 pm

Regarding SUH, saw it last week fully painted in Air NZ colours last week minus a koru on the starboard vertical stabiliser. Might enter service again in time for the summer timetable but maybe someone with more info could answer??
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:33 pm

VirginFlyer,
St Heliers/Mission Bay?
It's the same area!  Smile

BTW, I just heard on tonights news, Air NZ will be reinstating the Frankfurt service when they take delivery of their first two 777s in August.
Only difference is they'll route AKL-HKG-LHR-FRA.
Comments? Big grin
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:24 am

B747-437B,

They were adding flights to FRA before they ceased all flights to FRA. According to a few insiders, this route was doing ok. It wasn't a complete failure.


NZ767,

LOL.

Air New Zealand's flight rights between HKG and LHR have been renewed. If they are to start service between HKG and LHR, it will probably be the B 747-400.


Freedomair737,

Actually, according to a US Survey after the demise of Ansett Australia, Air New Zealand was RATED NUMBER 6 (Higher than Cathay Pacific, Qantas, as well as any US Airlines). And according to Skytrax, Air New Zealand is the Best Airline in Australasia.

GREAT to hear that SUH will return to service SHORTLY. I can't wait to fly on this aircraft again.  Smile


VirginFlyer,

Umm...... Is Gary Toomey a New Zealander? When did he leave Qantas?

I heard that he is an excellent father.  Smile

I think he did a good job. It was him who tried so hard to keep Ansett Australia in the Air. He even had plans to build Ansett Australia into a TRUE International Carrier. He even planned to get up to 8 B 747-400s, as well as a number of A 340/777s.

However, its all history by now.......





 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:50 am

They were adding flights to FRA before they ceased all flights to FRA.

That's like saying "If he wasn't dead, he'd be alive".

Your logic, dear Dezmond, is sadly lacking in this case, as always.
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:53 am

United Airline - if you didn't even know NZ flew to FRA until this thread, how do you have 'inside information' about the route?
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:27 am

There are MANY nice people on Airliners.net. But you certainly not one of them

If you do not like my topics, please, do me a favour..... DO NOT reply to that topic. I don't want you to ruin a good topic.

There are many helpful users who are willing to answer my questions.


You really think so? Then why would you tell me on my e-mail saying that you've added me to your respected user list (only on for one week) in the past?

Also, you never talked to me occasionally. How do you know that I'm not one of the NICE people? You're just using your own judgement to judge people.

I may be annoying, but I constantly look at myself. When people pointing fingers at me, I re-examine myself for many times. Go ask other people on this forum who is familiar with me. Only 1 or 2 knows.

At least it's better than to the people who don't look at themself.

Air NZ DID fly to FRA. Even with their B 747-200s I can tell you

I realized that in the past posts, and this one, you're answering your own Question. I wouldn't mind if you did this once. But this has become a routine.

It's a waste of space for this forum to have such post. (asking questions on this forum, and answer it on your own)

Air New Zealand's flights to Frankfurt was actually EXPANDING.

It is still EXPANDING. NZ adding another 5 weekly flights to Frankfurt, operated by LH. That makes 33 weekly flights to Frankfurt.

They were adding flights to FRA before they ceased all flights to FRA. According to a few insiders, this route was doing ok. It wasn't a complete failure.

Actually NZ reduced service to FRA before they fully pulled out in favour of LH. The service before they pulled out was 2x weekly. 1 of them was 2-stop flight.

Air New Zealand's flight rights between HKG and LHR have been renewed. If they are to start service between HKG and LHR, it will probably be the B 747-400.

How come you keep saying HKG-LHR will be a 744? What makes you think this will be operated by 747-400? May be ANZ will use 777 instead.

I heard that he is an excellent father.

I don't think Ansett employees will care if he's a good father or not. They only care if they'll have a job.

By the way, people replied at your post (include me) doesn't mean that they think it's a good post or something. They're giving out informations ONLY. They will sometimes tell you what's wrong with the post. If you're not willing to accept it, that's sad.

AirNewZealand:
i understand he walks every morning around Mission Bay

Is he preparing for another "mission"?  Big grin
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:29 am

I traveled on Air New Zealand when I went to school in Germany (Spring-Summer 1988). Didn't realize it was a fairly new service, I just knew that it was a good time had by all (a lot of very friendly folks both as passengers and crew), and that I did feel sorry for the folks that were doing the full distance down under!

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:10 am

He was educated in Australia I guess? Which University did he go to?

He did a good job for Qantas. That's what I am sure.

At least, he was once the President and CEO of Air New Zealand-Ansett Australia Airline Group.

I hope he can find a better job
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:54 am

It was expanding...... It expanded from one to three. Later, it went busted.

Oh yeah...... It is still expanding. Air New Zealand will now codeshare with Lufthansa, according to Jim1126, which is a good thing. There are plans to codeshare with Virgin Blue.

Actually, there were RUMOURS suggesting that Ansett Australia WAS to start service between Hong Kong and Frankfurt. This was part of Gary Toomey, as well as Air New Zealand's plan. They even planned to get up to 8 B 747-400s for Ansett (Air New Zealand has 8, including SUH which was retired temporarily and will be in service again pretty soon)


Sllevin,

Thanks for your kind words.

Yeah...... Air New Zealand is indeed a very top airline. It provides extremely high level of service. According to a US Survey (Please do a search on Airliners), Air New Zealand is rated higher than any US Airlines, Cathay Pacific, as well as Qantas. It was rated number 6.

And according to Skytrax, Air New Zealand is the Best Airline in Australasia.

I bet you went on one of their B 747-200s. Right?  Smile


Hey folks! Can anyone tell me whether or not, Gary Toomey is from New Zealand?

Regards.



 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:57 am

United: yup, was a true classic 742, with the old style insterior and everything. Had very green seats, IIRC, which kinda went to that greenish-tinted sides of the cabin.

I was very reminded of it last year flying JAL's 747-100SR/SUD from NRT to BKK, which is also in those same classic colors  Smile

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:59 am

Gary Toomey is an Australian. He is well regarded for what he did at QF and he lost out on the top job to Geoff Dixon. I guess you move on if you want a top job to ewhere you'll find one. Can't play second fiddle forever so good luck to him.

He worked at Arnotts (biscuit company) before QF.
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 12:18 pm

Air New Zealand had 5 B 747-200s. All in excellent condition. They maintain their aircraft very well.

The food was great onboard Air NZ. The cake was lovely..... I miss it so much. Hopefully, I will be visiting New Zealand (Christchurch, Queenstown, Wellington, as well as Auckland). And I will be flying on Air New Zealand again.

They even won the Best Cabin Staff 2002 Award.

Oh Cool. You managed to get a JAL B 747-100? How was it? Was it nice?

It is hard to find a B 747-100 to fly on. You are lucky!

E-mail me.  Smile
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:27 pm

I hope he can find a better job

Sadly, this is unlikely. Gary Toomey himself said in an interview on the Holmes Show (a television interview show) that, after the Ansett debarcle, he doubted he would ever get a job in the airline industry again. Regardless of how much of a part he had to play (which in my opinion is some, but not very much - others may choose to disagree, but this thread is not the place for such an argument that we have had here ad nauseum) in the collapse of Ansett, the fact was he was the CEO, and he had to take responsibility. That's all part in parcel of being a CEO. As the saying goes, 'the buck stops here', and that's what happened. Good on him for falling on his own sword instead of dragging things out. Best of luck to the guy - he went through hell and back over 2001.

There are plans to codeshare with Virgin Blue.

Excuse me, but what is your source on that? I certainly have never heard that one before.

NZ767 - I know, but what I meant is that I was under the understanding he had sold his house, and was no longer living in the area.

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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:44 pm

VirginFlyer,

Please do a search.  Smile

Umm...... He still owns a house in Auckland. Right?
 
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RE: Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:02 pm

flew with NZ to FRA a couple of times. The flights I was on were 90-100% full, at least down the back. They were a cheap option for Germans travelling to LAX and v.v. Had some nice German FAs btwn FRA-LAX. Pity the NZ staff at LAX aren't so good.

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