|Quoting 777Jet (Reply 42):|
That would still not prevent nonsense like this form occurring:
Maybe. But I still am very interested in knowing wether it was that accident that resulted in that rule. I+´m sure I read it somewhere, But I am not sure.
|Quoting factsonly (Reply 33):|
|Quoting rbavfan (Reply 52):|
Stand corrected on the -200 model. However it was noted back then that Las Palmas was used as a fuel stop. Most African countries were not allowing overflight on routes to South Africa. As such airlines had to route around the coast to fly there. at 6900nm still air range and the heat/Altitude at Johannesburg with the old engines hot/high performance then they would need fuel to get a usable load on the route.
|Quoting Buyantukhaa (Reply 34):|
Even KLM with their 747-100's was 4697nm from Frankfurt.
Surely they fly out of AMS not FRA...
|Quoting aa87 (Thread starter):|
I'm wondering if anyone knows why PA and KLM had 747 service to Las Palmas ?
|Quoting PanHAM (Reply 46):|
Tere's a Sterlng Caravelle and a CV990 wih must be Spntax visible in that pictre. The first a/c behind the 747 is a 707
|Quoting rbavfan (Reply 19):|
Las Palmas was a fuel stop for most carriers during the 70's in route to southern Africa. Stopping for fuel allowed for greater cargo loads or just because they needed it to fly the route. the 747 of 1970 did not have the range of the 747-400/747-8 series.
|Quoting Revelation (Reply 39):|
Also charters were not subject to a lot of the strict airline pricing regulations that scheduled flights had during that era, so in many cases they could fill up 707s with bargain hunters.
This led to various dubious packaging of charters with $1 fees to join affiliated "cultural appreciation societies" that allowed one to access such charters.
Note I am NOT saying that's what happened in the tragic accident, I'm just responding to why the Canaries supported 747 service.
|Quoting aa87 (Reply 26):|
Interesting, so the Canary Islands were clearly very popular destinations. Has anyone here been there recently ? does this tragedy still hang over the islands ?
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|Quoting HELyes (Reply 59):|
Quoting aa87 (Reply 26):Interesting, so the Canary Islands were clearly very popular destinations. Has anyone here been there recently ? does this tragedy still hang over the islands ?
The Canaries are still popular, for us here in northern Europe the islands are the closest place to get some sun in winter months. Me and my family have been there numerous times, the tragedy is just a distant memory there, it's understandable the locals who remember it don't like to bring it up, not with tourists atleast.
Also Finnair used to send widebodies to the Canaries, their MD-11 charter version had 407 seats. Later they used A343, nowadays A321ER only.
|Quoting Navigator (Reply 60):|
Finnair used DC-10-30 on flights to Las Palmas
|Quoting Ned Kelly (Reply 45):|
Thanks for the photo, It does look around the right time given the colour schemes and the wreckage at the front is a bit of a giveaway! Just to chuck a spanner in the works, any idea of the exact date this photo was taken, could it possibly be that this photo was when the airport reopened to arriving traffic?
|Quoting Ned Kelly (Reply 43):|
I remember seeing a picture of the line up of the aircraft stuck on the ramp for a few days after the accident. I always recall that I remember seeing a British Airtours (Charter arm of BA) 707-436 and a Sabena (may have been a Sobelair) 707-329, don't recall seeing a BA L10 or an SN 747, but I am happy to be corrected on this. Someone once (maybe even on this site) gave a full list of aircraft and registrations of those aircraft stuck at TFN.
|Quoting Navigator (Reply 65):|
Maybe what they think is a Hapag Lloyd 727-200 is actually a Sterling Airways Boeing 727-200 Advcd. You can see the nose in the beginning of this video. You also see SATA:s DC-8-50 and a Braathens SAFE 737-200
|Quoting modernart (Reply 69):|
Quoting awthompson (Reply 68):In that last photo, has anyone figured out which aircraft is taxying out in the background?
That is the SATA DC-8, I believe.
|Quoting awthompson (Reply 68):|
I have been a regular all my life at Tenerife (TFN and TFS) and Gran Canaria with over twenty return trips from UK/Ireland to the Canary Islands.
I flew LGW to TFS on British Airtours Tristar G-BBAE as recent as December 1994, my only ever wide body flight to Canaries.
Simply put, the Canary Islands are the only place in Europe where you can go on holiday in mid winter (Dec+Jan) and still expect to find beach weather. The Canaries would have been (and still are) to Europe what the Hawaiian Islands or Florida would have been to the colder northern states and Canada ie. a very popular winter sunshine destination.
Almost all British and Irish mainline airports support flights throughout the winter to at least TFS and LPA. Belfast BFS has a choice of three airlines through the winter to Canaries. The south coast of the island of Tenerife is now a massive metropolis with hotels to suit all budgets from cheap to some of the most luxurious resort type hotels in Europe. Most people one meets in the UK who go abroad on holidays will at one time have been to at least one of the Canary Islands.
Also does anyone know how long the runway was out of use and how long the stranded aircraft were at TFN. I was thinking perhaps they got a dispensation for using the taxiway to get airborne.
One of the survivors of Sunday's plane crash in the Canary Islands died Tuesday night on a mercy night to the United States for specialized burn treatment. The Air Force "flying hospital" carrying 53 survivors and the latest victim arrived at McGuire Air Force Base early today.
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