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LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Wed May 11, 2016 7:30 am

http://fanhansa.lufthansa.com/de/#fanflieger

Apparently Lufthansa is planning to use a 737classic for the transport of the national Team of Germany to the EURO 2014 in France.

No 747-800 this time  . Using a Narrowbody makes sense, but I am surprised they are using one of the oldest frames around.
 
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Wed May 11, 2016 7:53 am

Perhaps it will be retired just after the Euro. So one last mission in a special livery before beer cans will be made out of it. (Yes, I know, no beer cans out of aircraft aluminium.)
 
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Wed May 11, 2016 8:01 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Thread starter):
http://fanhansa.lufthansa.com/de/#fanflieger

Apparently Lufthansa is planning to use a 737classic for the transport of the national Team of Germany to the EURO 2014 in France.

No 747-800 this time  . Using a Narrowbody makes sense, but I am surprised they are using one of the oldest frames around.


IIRC Lufthansa was criticized in 2012 for using the B747-8 for the short hop from FRA to GDN to take the German Team to the Euro Championships in Poland and the Ukraine. It seems they want to play it safe this time by using the smallest type available in the mainline-fleet...  
 
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Wed May 11, 2016 8:24 am

Quoting FRAEDDF (Reply 2):
IIRC Lufthansa was criticized in 2012 for using the B747-8 for the short hop from FRA to GDN to take the German Team to the Euro Championships in Poland and the Ukraine. It seems they want to play it safe this time by using the smallest type available in the mainline-fleet...  

WeIl I'm sure they would have got away with using an A319 or even A320/A321 instead. It is a bit curious they'd go with one of only 7 737Classic left in their fleet.

Quoting CARST (Reply 1):
So one last mission in a special livery before beer cans will be made out of it. (Yes, I know, no beer cans out of aircraft aluminium.)

That's the other curious thing. I know it's only stickers, really, but LH do tend to not remove them immediately after a tournament - the 747-8 D-ABYI is still wearing its Fanhansa stickers.
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Wed May 11, 2016 9:05 am

Quoting anfromme (Reply 3):
It is a bit curious they'd go with one of only 7 737Classic left in their fleet.

Low depreciation costs when its sitting waiting for the team wherever it might be.

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Wed May 11, 2016 9:18 am

Is there a chance they might install a proper J configuration for the team as part of the plane's final mission
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Wed May 11, 2016 9:31 am

That would be OK for Jogi and the Mannschaft plus a few Hand selected journalists. For the rest of the non playing Team they would Need another aircraft
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Wed May 11, 2016 9:38 am

Wouldn't that be an airplane that's being retired?

This would allow it to be taken off the network and be at the full disposal of the team, which would make sense.
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Wed May 11, 2016 9:46 am

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 7):

Wouldn't that be an airplane that's being retired?

This would allow it to be taken off the network and be at the full disposal of the team, which would make sense.

Couldn't they spare a plane for the tournament anyways?
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Wed May 11, 2016 9:54 am

Quoting LGAviation (Reply 5):

Is there a chance they might install a proper J configuration for the team as part of the plane's final mission

I was wondering the same thing. But I think with 23 players + coaches + medical staff + media team and other officials, they won't all fit in.

How many of the current LH J-Seats would fit inside a B737-300? Maybe 40-48? They would have to do multiple flights to take the whole team + staff to France. If you add the cost of refitting this 25 year old a/c (that will probably be retired after the summer), this would be a pretty expensive affair for LH.

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Wed May 11, 2016 10:02 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Thread starter):
Apparently Lufthansa is planning to use a 737classic for the transport of the national Team of Germany to the EURO 2014 in France.

Can't find that information in the text. Are you deducing it from image on the website you linked? In that case I wouldn't be too sure that the designer who has done the page is aware of the aircraft type he used...
 
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Wed May 11, 2016 10:30 am

Quoting Unflug (Reply 10):
Can't find that information in the text. Are you deducing it from image on the website you linked?
http://www.flugrevue.de/zivilluftfah...ing-737-fliegt-als-fanhansa/678340

From the article: "For the departure of the German national team to France there would be a special aircraft again, a Boeing 737 of the airline [LH]".
 
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Wed May 11, 2016 10:37 am

Maybe this one will end up in Hamburg or Speyer and not be scrapped... that would make sense
 
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Wed May 11, 2016 10:48 am

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 7):
This would allow it to be taken off the network and be at the full disposal of the team, which would make sense.

True - if they do put in something like J class, it's also possible they're selling it off as a VIP jet. LH Technik have already done a few conversions like that.

Quoting seahawk (Reply 12):
Maybe this one will end up in Hamburg or Speyer and not be scrapped... that would make sense

If they do retrofit it, I don't think it'll be scrapped; surprisingly few of LH's former 737 actually did get scrapped. Even a good number of their 737-500s (not exactly the most popular variant) found a second life.
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Wed May 11, 2016 11:44 am

Quoting FRAEDDF (Reply 11):
From the article: "For the departure of the German national team to France there would be a special aircraft again, a Boeing 737 of the airline [LH]".

I'm still not convinced, Lufthansa's press release doesn't mention an aircraft type:

https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/press/news-releases/singleview/archive/2016/may/02/article/4026.html
 
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Wed May 11, 2016 11:49 am

I think the plane pictured may be one I've seen parked at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg? The one that all of the Azubis take apart and work on? Perhaps it is their names written on both sides of the AC? Not sure if/what this has to do with the Euro Cup.
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Wed May 11, 2016 11:58 am

Quoting holzmann (Reply 15):
I think the plane pictured may be one I've seen parked at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg? The one that all of the Azubis take apart and work on?

If so then it won't be the one flying. The plane in Hamburg is no longer airworthy as far as I know.
 
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Wed May 11, 2016 12:00 pm

The Picture seems to be phtoshopped, the Background is not real, although it could e an area at FRA near the famous "Schweinebucht" (Bay of Pigs, famous remote parking for 737s) but then again the high rises do not resemble the City of Frankfurt nor the Gateway gardens Office complex.

Fact is, there is a real but retired 737 classic in the Frankfurt LH technich area, for Training purposes.
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Wed May 11, 2016 1:06 pm

D-ABIA was being moved from the hangar when I visited LH Technik in HAM. AFAIK, I think that 'IA' is the one that is used for technical training. I have no idea if it's still actually airworthy though and if it's being used for the project, or if they are using another aircraft.
 
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Wed May 11, 2016 2:18 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 17):

The Picture seems to be phtoshopped, the Background is not real, although it could e an area at FRA near the famous "Schweinebucht" (Bay of Pigs, famous remote parking for 737s) but then again the high rises do not resemble the City of Frankfurt nor the Gateway gardens Office complex.

It's all CGI with a generic "small airport" backdrop, nothing even comes close to anything at HAM let alone FRA.
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Wed May 11, 2016 7:37 pm

I think the idea to use the 737 is that they are on the way out only a few routes are being served and it is easier to spare one rather than an A319, A320 or A321.

Also it is a nice way to say good bye to an aircraft type that served LH well for nearly 50 years. I also believe that this aircraft could be preserved in a Museum or as "Gate Guard"
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Wed May 11, 2016 8:26 pm

Quoting anfromme (Reply 3):
WeIl I'm sure they would have got away with using an A319 or even A320/A321 instead. It is a bit curious they'd go with one of only 7 737Classic left in their fleet.

Only 7 of them left?  Wow! Even luckier I caught one as a substitution recently then...
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Wed May 11, 2016 8:51 pm

Quoting lugie (Reply 21):
Only 7 of them left? Wow! Even luckier I caught one as a substitution recently then...

Yup, only 7 left at this point, as per planespotters.net
All of them 737-300s. I was on a -500 a few years ago and considered myself lucky as well - it was substituting for a CRJ at the time. Of course, all the -500s are gone from LH's fleet at this point.
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Thu May 12, 2016 3:38 am

Quoting anfromme (Reply 3):
WeIl I'm sure they would have got away with using an A319 or even A320/A321 instead. It is a bit curious they'd go with one of only 7 737Classic left in their fleet.

If they used any of the A319 or even A320/321, I will also be curious to know why they did not use the 737 Classic.
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Thu May 12, 2016 3:45 am

Quoting anfromme (Reply 22):
Yup, only 7 left at this point, as per planespotters.net
All of them 737-300s. I was on a -500 a few years ago and considered myself lucky as well - it was substituting for a CRJ at the time. Of course, all the -500s are gone from LH's fleet at this point.

I wish other airlines which can make good use of these Classics- will get them (D-checked by LH) at the lowest prices possible rather than going to the desert for spare parts and ""beer cans"".
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Thu May 12, 2016 6:36 am

If 727-100s and DC-3s can be used profitably in Bolivia and Guatemala, then any 737 classic should be able to find a new life somewhere.
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 8:58 am

It is official, there are even images out with the B737 in the special livery:

http://images.flugrevue.de/sixcms/media.php/11/thumbnails/Boeing%20737%20Lufthansa%20Fanhansa.JPG.8401446.JPG

The reason for the B737 and not any Airbus aircraft: Steep approaches at some airports in France (don´t ask me which ones) which are only beeing matched by the B737. This was also the reason why Lufthansa used to B737 for the seasonal route from HAM to INN some years ago.
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 10:31 am

On Facebook I could see the reg D-ABEK.

This is a real reg and D-ABEK is still flying (I flew on it as a passenger in 2011). So this could be correct.
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 10:41 am

Quoting Setjet (Reply 26):
The reason for the B737 and not any Airbus aircraft: Steep approaches at some airports in France (don´t ask me which ones) which are only beeing matched by the B737. This was also the reason why Lufthansa used to B737 for the seasonal route from HAM to INN some years ago.

I think the base camp of the German team will be somewhere in the French Alps. Not sure, which airport they will use to get there and from there but this might be the reason.
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 11:50 am

Hopefully there will be a nice 1:200 model from Herpa.
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Thu May 12, 2016 1:02 pm

Quoting LGAviation (Reply 5):
Is there a chance they might install a proper J configuration for the team as part of the plane's final mission

Absolutely out of the question. Cost of doing that is completely prohibitive and has zero benefit for Lufthansa as it's not visible on the outside.
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 1:04 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Thread starter):
Apparently Lufthansa is planning to use a 737classic for the transport of the national Team of Germany to the EURO 2014 in France.
Quoting anfromme (Reply 3):
It is a bit curious they'd go with one of only 7 737Classic left in their fleet.
Quoting anfromme (Reply 22):
Yup, only 7 left at this point, as per planespotters.net
All of them 737-300s.

Since when is a 737-300 a "Classic?"

The ONLY classic 737's were the -100 and -200.
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Thu May 12, 2016 1:11 pm

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 31):
Since when is a 737-300 a "Classic?"

The ONLY classic 737's were the -100 and -200.

It's common practice on a.net to call the -100 and -200 Jurassic's. 

I don't like it either because when I once saw my first -300 I became very excited since it was a modern airliner. That People now call it "classic" makes me depressive...  
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 1:11 pm

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 31):
Since when is a 737-300 a "Classic?"

The ONLY classic 737's were the -100 and -200.
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No, general consensus is this:

737: -100 & 200(Adv.)
737 Classic: -300, -400, -500
737 NG: -700, -800, -900 and variants.

The old dinosaurs never went by the classic addendum.
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 1:18 pm

Quoting aviationaware (Reply 33):
737 NG: -700, -800, -900 and variants.

You forgot the -600.  
 
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Thu May 12, 2016 1:23 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 32):
I don't like it either because when I once saw my first -300 I became very excited since it was a modern airliner. That People now call it "classic" makes me depressive.


Makes me feel OLD and depressed- my first ride in a jet was on a United 737-200 CLASSIC. A memory these youngsters never will have.

Quoting aviationaware (Reply 33):
No, general consensus is this:

737: -100 & 200(Adv.)
737 Classic: -300, -400, -500
737 NG: -700, -800, -900 and variants.

The old dinosaurs never went by the classic addendum.


Unless you're a dinosaur over 50 like some of us....  
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Thu May 12, 2016 2:11 pm

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 4):
Quoting anfromme (Reply 3):
It is a bit curious they'd go with one of only 7 737Classic left in their fleet.

Low depreciation costs when its sitting waiting for the team wherever it might be.

Not just lower depreciation, but it makes sense for a less efficient aircraft to be used more lightly. LH would end up spending more on fuel with a 737-300 flying routes where they could have used an A319. Also, if the aircraft is retired immediately after this special mission, there's no cost incurred to reconfigure/repaint it to the standard LH product & appearance.
 
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Fri May 13, 2016 3:10 am

Quoting Setjet (Reply 26):
The reason for the B737 and not any Airbus aircraft: Steep approaches at some airports in France (don´t ask me which ones) which are only beeing matched by the B737. This was also the reason why Lufthansa used to B737 for the seasonal route from HAM to INN some years ago.

So does this mean the 737 Classics outperforms the Airbus 319 in such operating environments?
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Fri May 13, 2016 10:17 am

Quoting columba (Reply 20):
I think the idea to use the 737 is that they are on the way out only a few routes are being served and it is easier to spare one rather than an A319, A320 or A321.

And being the German football team, the plane will be needed until the very end of the tournament,   
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Fri May 13, 2016 10:27 am

Another and maybe the most important reason : The 737 is a much better looking airplane as the rather boring A32x series  
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Fri May 13, 2016 10:27 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 27):
On Facebook I could see the reg D-ABEK.

Nice. I flew on that plane from LHR to FRA in 2013. Great flight!
 
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Fri May 13, 2016 11:04 am

Quoting alyusuph (Reply 37):
So does this mean the 737 Classics outperforms the Airbus 319 in such operating environments?

I think so. Although, it would be interesting to have this confirmed from a current B737-driver, maybe even with A320 experience. Anybody?
 
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Fri May 13, 2016 3:48 pm

But anyone look at the commercial on the site? here is a link to it on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD9UTBWo51w

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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Fri May 13, 2016 3:52 pm

Quoting aviationaware (Reply 30):

Quoting LGAviation (Reply 5):
Is there a chance they might install a proper J configuration for the team as part of the plane's final mission

Absolutely out of the question. Cost of doing that is completely prohibitive and has zero benefit for Lufthansa as it's not visible on the outside.

If I'm not mistaken LH is the sponsor of the team and it's not up to them to make the terms of the agreement :P But you might be right.
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Fri May 13, 2016 4:10 pm

Quoting aviationaware (Reply 33):
The old dinosaurs never went by the classic addendum.


I recall that the 100 and 200 series became known as the "original" series

100, 200; Original

300, 400, 500; Classic

600, 700, 800, 900, 900ER; Next Generation

-2, -7, -8 and -9; MAX


So far, I have had the pleasure of flying on every one of the Original, Classic and Next Generation models. Now awaiting MAX.

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Fri May 13, 2016 5:46 pm

Quoting a300 (Reply 44):
So far, I have had the pleasure of flying on every one of the Original, Classic and Next Generation models. Now awaiting MAX.

Except for the -100, -600, and -900 also flown on every model.
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RE: LH Seemingly Planning A 737Classic As Euro Plane

Sat May 14, 2016 5:06 am

Quoting N717TW (Reply 42):
But anyone look at the commercial on the site?

Apparently, yes:

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