Re: WW ending STL

Never saw this coming.

The short stint is really kind of embarrassing. The day this flight started I thought it was settling - nothing more, nothing less.

What else is new.....

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

I have lived in Seattle and St. Louis and can confidently say that St. Louis is not even remotely comparable to Seattle. Earlier you mentioned that St. Louis doesn’t have mountains, an ocean, or a bigger city than something like LA or NYC. Seattle is definitely a bigger city than St. Louis and is g...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

It's a two-story room, but there's another level visible above, with a walled-off staircase near C27 leading up; I think it is the old TWA lounge, but I'm not sure. I also know that the closed FIS is in that general area, near the end of C. Correct on both accounts. Speaking of which: in the past, ...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Brookings data is ancient and obselete So, is there any recent data that shows that Pittsburgh has more travelers to London than St.Louis? ' I'm replying to the assertion that PIT is "smaller than STL on every account" as was stated by Lambertman, which I took issue with over demand to Lo...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

BS on the last point. The great incentives race is clearly essential in enticing BA and other carriers to start what are almost certainly marginal routes. Otherwise, as a route planner and airline, why are you picking a market like PIT - smaller than STL on every account, with more competition to E...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Perhaps, just perhaps LH does not see STL and some of these other cities as a solid fit for their network. Not to mention they don't even have a suitable aircraft as their smallest is too big (A330-300). Which would be why they want much more in guarantees to start routes than others in the same ci...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

OK, so the poster might've taken some liberties with his claims. To those saying the region's divided nature does not have an impact on air service you are wrong; intergovernmental collaboration is essential in economic development projects. Just like everything else, peer cities have passed us by w...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

That's because STL is underserved transatlantic but they won't pony up the millions that other cities have to get a proper carrier. ? There's still a few million more in incentive money available, AFAIK. It's just up to a carrier to work out a deal. There is a pot that contains many millions of dol...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Midwestindy wrote:

https://twitter.com/ExecDirIND/status/1035256308121915395

Looks like IND is giving STL a few pointers

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Getting to late August, a couple big transatlantic announcements today, but nothing from STL. Where/When is this big "August announcement" supposed to happen? That was a rumor that originated from the UrbanSTL message board. I have no idea how it eventually turned into a scheduled presser...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

I would even argue the business claim. That is a large segment of BNA traffic. STL isn’t that big of a market for DL so just forget that. If a TATL launches from STL to Europe (WOW notwithstanding) there will be incentives involved. That’s a fact. It’s not about being a “fanboy”. It’s about wanting...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

This rumor originated from the Urban STL transportation message board. I have my doubts about its validity. STL is firmly in the "prove it to me" category after being beaten out by several smaller, theoretically less desirable markets for the real prize - BA to LHR. Regional leaders are c...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

I never heard anything about it coming this week. I would be a little surprised if it is. PGA is taking all the news cycle and the airport is even using ther stage all week for performances. So I kind of doubt the this week (although I would be happy to be wrong) In other news Sun Country will be u...

Re: BA announces PIT-LHR

Great for PIT. Quite a coup to have both DL to CDG and BA to LHR.

STL, your move (taps finger)......

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

I saw this on the contract opportunities site and it caught me a little off guard. RFQ for Evaluation of the CBP Facility Location Alternatives at St. Louis Lambert International Airport I didn't think they would be looking to move/add another CBP facility. Another sign pointing to another Intl ann...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Gotta be Spirit or jet Blue, right? B6 has reached the point that adding St. Louis - still a major business market - is almost a necessary evil from a network connectivity standpoint. I suppose Spirit to markets like Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and Fort Lauderdale could make sense as well. We shall see....

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Ah, so nice to visit the old STL this past week. It's been a while. Concourse C is nice but still just not same. :) It was still weird to pull in to C and look to the left and see all the Southwest tails lined up to the east. However, it's nice that the terminal, specifically in the baggage claim a...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Since D is "haunted" :tombstone: who would want to be there after that drunk PAX running from police jumped into the garbage compactor and died? Think that happened back in 88 or 89. In all honesty, I could see WN moving down into E34,36,38. If D opens up someone is going to have to expan...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Would like to mention (through an admin from a different forum who had it on good authority) that there is a strong possibility that the entirety of Concourse D will be reopened within the next few years, enabling the Terminal 1 - Terminal 2 connection once again. Apparently it's already in the pla...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

What would you guys say the next airline will be that comes to St. Louis. Any ideas or rumors? If so, when could that happen? I'm guessing BA or JetBlue, but put on the spot I say BA. I don't think Spirit has any routes to start that make sense. They are all pretty saturated with WN, F9 and G4. I s...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Did anyone see Lyda Krewson's tweet at Delta insinuating they should open a hub in St. Louis? What a total lack of situational awareness and an embarrassment to all parties involved. The idea is ludicrous. If that is the best we have for city leadership (this isn't the only WTF moment so far) then I...

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

British Airways? Ha - Ha. I have zero faith in St. Louis City or County government to pull that off. WOW is more St. Louis' speed. I anticipate things will stay largely as-is in 2018, particularly since our hub carrier has expanded to a level in 2017 that most would consider to be full market satura...

Re: STL Air Service Discussion

The rivalry really is amusing because no one outside of either city cares at all about them. WN has a pretty significant investment in Lambert Terminal 2. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon. The funnier thing is that basically nothing will change from WN moving forward, to spite what some peop...

Re: Major Air Service Announcement for PIT 11/15/17

Is this a foretelling of Amazon HQ2 coming to the PIT region? My guess is the area could use that sort of economic shot in the arm... It could be another clue. City officials have had quite a bit of swagger dropping hints lately. Clearly this is part of a regionally coordinated scheme between Seatt...

Re: STL Air Service Discussion

At the Cancun event a guy spoke who was the Vice President of something for Southwest. He said we will be up to 120 departures in summer but I have only counted 115. Not sure if that means more announcements are coming still? I was wondering this myself. Guaranteed he knows what the current level o...

Re: STL Air Service Discussion

IND getting DL is GOOD news for STL. This really solidifies us as the frontrunner for BA next year. This is rationalizing. It's what St. Louis does when we continually come up short and try to explain why. The fact is that St. Louis is clearly a stronger and more suitable market for even this fligh...

Re: STL Air Service Discussion

IND getting DL is GOOD news for STL. This really solidifies us as the frontrunner for BA next year. This is rationalizing. It's what St. Louis does when we continually come up short and try to explain why. The fact is that St. Louis is clearly a stronger and more suitable market for even this fligh...

Re: STL Air Service Discussion

IND gets a CVG flight with, lo and behold, effective intergovernmental collaboration!

If (and I admit this is an if) STL doesn't have LH or BA up its sleeve here it should be embarrassed about the WOW flight. More small time thinking.

Re: DL add IND-CDG

Given the cargo connections I think it will work, structured as a daily summer, 3x weekly winter flight. Too much support behind this.

As a native St. Louisan this is an ultimate kick in the balls and an indictment, yet again, on regional government. Yikes. At least we got Wow Air....

Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Wow. Can't believe the negativity about an airport getting an international airline to start service. Because it isn't the right type of airline? Really? Sad. We already have a litany of one stop options to the popular destinations in Europe. The idea that KEF is going to be a popular destination a...

Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Really underwhelming. At least the plane will fit the purple carpet motif that used to be on the walls at gate E29. Kidding aside, this pretty typical St. Louis stuff. Not enough fortitude, collaboration, or vision to get the job done with the real prize - BA or LH. It's coming. This is a test rout...

Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Really underwhelming. At least the plane will fit the purple carpet motif that used to be on the walls at gate E29.

Kidding aside, this pretty typical St. Louis stuff. Not enough fortitude, collaboration, or vision to get the job done with the real prize - BA or LH.

Re: BA's Next US Destination

Some of the rationale used throughout this thread is both comical and bizarre from STL and IND supporters. STL is clearly a larger market - statistics show it. Who gets the next flight is dependent on how sweet the pot gets. Indianapolis, Columbus, St. Louis, etc. are all fringe markets that need su...

Re: WN expanding in STL

Lexy wrote:

BNA says hi! Faster growing city and cheaper to live in. Already 300+ daily commuters. That's your next base.

Re: Alaska to announce new SJC routes

I think STL makes sense given the emerging tech scene. Might be able to siphon traffic away from WN's OAK / SFO routes and UA's SFO flights.

Re: WN Summer Schedule Due Out Thursday, 1/05/17

Now, where will WN go from CVG? BWI, MDW, DEN, HOU, MCO, FLL? With STL opening 3 new gates and having service to almost every larger destination that distance away, I would figure they will be one. Especially for connection reasons. I would also guess MDW, DAL/HOU, MCO (plus other florida options)....

Re: MSY to announce new int'l carrier: local papers think BA to LON

I mean...the fall timing, plus the BA pull out of CTU? Considering all the circumstances I think its extremely unlikely this is about anything else. To add to my conspiracy: I think St. Louis caught wind they lost out again, pulled together their incentive package finally, and was a day late and a d...

Re: St. Louis Mayor Visits British Air Execs, UK

Certainly seems like things are moving full steam ahead. At this point I would be surprised if we don't see an announcement over the forthcoming weeks. And despite being from St. Louis I'm not totally sold the flight would work on a daily basis or without subsidies. Remember AA had to cut LGW to 4x ...

Re: MSY to announce new int'l carrier: local papers think BA to LON

Might this have something to do with the cancellation? http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 1e405.html Very doubtful. Almost no chance BA gave the green light then re-considered and went to STL. This is the first time any of the STL brass has ever brought attention to their trips to Europe. ...

RE: Good News @ STL: WN To 100, AA/DL Increases

I noticed <acronym title="American Airlines (USA)">AA</acronym> has added a bit of capacity. They are also using C-28, which is unfortunate for any of the travelers coming into that gate. Yikes. PC12, isn't the old Admirals Club located above that gate? You go up the stairs right next to it, IIRC. I...

RE: STL - BA / LH Pursuit

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RE: STL - BA / LH Pursuit

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