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by Boeing74741R
Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JET2 - what next ?
Replies: 32
Views: 8040

Re: JET2 - what next ?

Could Jet2 replace their old 752s with..newer ones that could be in the market? Newer in the sense that they have some 10yrs left in them? American retired them all..Were they really 30yrs old all of them or could they have some used ones in good condition? On the other hand if Jet2 wants to go ahe...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JET2 - what next ?
Replies: 32
Views: 8040

Re: JET2 - what next ?

Long haul has been the failure of many... I still suggest they stick to what they know and apparently do well. Im not sure Florida and Caribbean are necessarily low hanging guarantees... (or ever have been) I think there's room for another player to these markets from the regions now Thomas Cook is...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020
Replies: 134
Views: 26721

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020

Well there is some method as to why these flights are starting, but given this site has a rather aggressive counter approach to many topics, Ill now just report the fact the routes are starting/applied for and leave the discussion to rumble on. Ignore those questioning your knowledge and insight. I...

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by Boeing74741R
Fri May 22, 2020 12:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020
Replies: 134
Views: 26721

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020

Virgin had previously announced that they were dropping MAN-LAS however now that the 747s have gone they have axed it for the remainder of this summer too :/ I was booked on the A330s (300 out 200 back) at the end of September, they've just e-mailed me to tell me and inform me of the "good new...

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by Boeing74741R
Thu May 21, 2020 7:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: British Airways to take delivery of first 787-10 arriving at LHR around 8am on 21 May 2020
Replies: 90
Views: 19260

Re: British Airways to take delivery of first 787-10 arriving at LHR around 8am on 21 May 2020

Clearwater beach is now open - good news for Tampa. I doubt Disney World theme parks will be open on July 1st but people may still wish to travel for other reasons (no idea when Universal Studios may open?) But Florida is making steps to end their lockdown. The parks are working on plans how to reo...

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by Boeing74741R
Wed May 20, 2020 11:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will the A330neo ever become as successful as its predecessors?
Replies: 199
Views: 24425

Re: Will the A330neo ever become as successful as its predecessors?

Maybe the VS order for 8 was in part due to their relationship with DL, but right now VS is really on the edge financially. We don't know what deal Airbus offered and what clinched it. I would hazard a guess one factor was that VS operate 14 A330ceo's, (now withdrawn) A340's and taking delivery of ...

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by Boeing74741R
Fri May 15, 2020 7:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant
Replies: 311
Views: 56871

Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Meanwhile, despite Rishi Sunak announcing an extension of the furlough scheme by a few extra months and on the back of his appearance in front of the Transport Select Committee this week, Willie Walsh has announced BA will proceed with the plan to make 12,000 redundancies... https://www.theguardian....

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by Boeing74741R
Mon May 11, 2020 3:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

It is now reported the SRB is selling shares in Virgin Galactic to help support Virgin Atlantic and other group companies. This reminds me of when Pan Am sold Intercontinental hotels to keep Pan Am going. At the time it was said and subsequently proved that they should have sold the airline and kep...

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by Boeing74741R
Mon May 11, 2020 8:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

The fact that VS are still very much still in business 2 months into this proves that they were well prepared for any established downturn scenario. Today for example, they’re operating almost 20 cargo sectors which is almost a third of their usual schedule. A pretty good effort compared to most. I...

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by Boeing74741R
Sat May 09, 2020 6:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

G-VSXY and G-VGBR just positioned LHR-DSA, I thought the 330s would stick around to fit their whole “twin engine” idea. They’re only operating cargo flights this month and A330’s aren’t being used for this. I assume parking fees are cheaper at DSA than LHR, so it makes sense to move them out of LHR...

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by Boeing74741R
Wed May 06, 2020 4:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin and the 747...
Replies: 24
Views: 4522

Re: Virgin and the 747...

Well that was lucky for us then. And a big thank you to all a netters, who helped my family choose. Last Marchish, I came on here to ask for our trip to Orlando, in October (2019), which we should choose. Virgin 747 upper deck, or Tui 787. We chose the 744 upper deck. Looks like that experience wil...

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by Boeing74741R
Wed May 06, 2020 11:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin and the 747...
Replies: 24
Views: 4522

Re: Virgin and the 747...

The beach fleet 744 had only 14 Upper class seats but about 50 premium economy seats. a different market than JFK or LAX but not the dog some male out to be. What airline would send 5 744 a day to a city not making $$ ? Indeed. The config was 14 Upper, 66 PE and 375 Y. PE is a popular cabin and pri...

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by Boeing74741R
Wed May 06, 2020 7:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin and the 747...
Replies: 24
Views: 4522

Re: Virgin and the 747...

So with the announcement today that Virgin is finished with their 747's what happens to a city like Orlando which had 5-6 747 visits a day?. I realize that it will never be the same again at least not in the forseeable future, but there was an article in the Orlando Senitnel that the Brits are stil...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue May 05, 2020 4:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

According to the article the fleet will consist of 36 aircraft. The previous setup would've been 43 aircraft by 2022 (subject to new A330's replacing older ones). The split would have been as below, however clearly there will need to be some cancellations on new orders. Even with the 787's, all A35...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue May 05, 2020 4:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Firstly, my thoughts are with all VS staff potentially affected by this. The LGW withdrawal is unsurprising but still a shock and sad in many respect.... Thoughts? Vs staff did not die. Sheehsh. Did you have thoughts for BA staff also loosing jobs at gatWick? All this shows is Virgn is poor run air...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue May 05, 2020 1:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

https://corporate.virginatlantic.com/gb/en/media/press-releases/Our-post-Covid19-future.html The press release states "From today, Virgin Atlantic will no longer use all of its seven 747-400s...", so I read that as the end of 747 ops at Virgin Atlantic with immediate effect - another end o...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue May 05, 2020 1:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

imo, huge mistake here. They could've moved all their operation to LGW and faced no BA competition and had all the slots they needed to build a hub. Yet, they decided to compete with a minimal network against a much larger rival in a weakened demand environment. Other than serving DL, I don't see h...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue May 05, 2020 1:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Firstly, my thoughts are with all VS staff potentially affected by this. The LGW withdrawal is unsurprising but still a shock and sad in many respects. If they are moving LGW routes to LHR, which LHR routes will be cut to free up the slots? A few slots are free with EWR being scrapped along with GRU...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue May 05, 2020 7:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant
Replies: 311
Views: 56871

Re: BA could make up to 12.000 employees redundant

Many companies are considering starting consultations in less than two weeks because they have to run for 45 days, which would get you to the end of June. That is no doubt one reason why BA chose to time the redundancy announcement around now, because the 45-day consultation period means they will ...

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by Boeing74741R
Mon May 04, 2020 1:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Look's like VS is getting ready to ditch LGW(?) - all 747s are (or will be this week) trnfr'd to MAN while the remaining 333s at LGW will relocate to LHR. After this is complete, LGW will have no VS aircraft parked. This week planned activity: G-VAST, Boeing 747 – LGW->MAN§ G-VROS, Boeing 747 – LHR...

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by Boeing74741R
Mon May 04, 2020 8:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cabo Verde Airlines on the brink of bankruptcy
Replies: 15
Views: 5551

Re: Cabo Verde Airlines on the brink of bankruptcy

"The airline depended heavily on tourism from Portugal, Italy and France which has now ceased." This is not really true. The country depends heavily on tourism however very few tourists used TACV. The vast majority of TACV passengers were Cape Verdeans living both at home and abroad. From...

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by Boeing74741R
Sun May 03, 2020 12:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant
Replies: 311
Views: 56871

Re: BA could make up to 12.000 employees redundant

I don’t think we’ll get to that stage - it seems the UK government are weighing up an intervention now (see below). https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-airlines-e/exclusive-britain-hires-morgan-stanley-to-advise-on-aviation-rescue-plan-sources-idUKKBN22D5ST?feedType=nl&...

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by Boeing74741R
Fri May 01, 2020 8:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

VS also have high fares on routes they have no competition, GLA -MCO is expensive with VA. Its £100's cheaper to fly to go via LGW with BA. Even MAN-MCO is getting much more expensive. That's partly what happens when you have a route all to yourself, especially since Thomas Cook collapsed and the o...

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by Boeing74741R
Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

When I look at intra-Europe fares, U2/FR always are much cheaper than network airlines. These two have done more to lower fares in Europe than VS. That's for sure. As for Chinese carriers, they lower fares to all of East/Southeast Asia and Australia, not just China. VS has done nothing to lower far...

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by Boeing74741R
Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

No, JetBlue is looking to get as many slots at LHR as it possibly could. It's TATL might get delayed until 2022, but that would be it. They will significantly cut the J fares if they can offer a reasonable schedule. Keep in mind, VS itself does not offer any additional competition in the TATL marke...

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by Boeing74741R
Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

300? Are you talking about Norwegian or Air Lingus? EI has $500 return to NY. BA usually hover at about £300 return from heathrow but have seen it as low as £240 return. You are far more likely to see lower fares if those LHR slots go to someone else. There is a long list on the LHR slot waiting li...

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by Boeing74741R
Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Perfect example - they changed the airline logo 10 years ago. It took them 8 years to complete the entire fleet. I'm not including the the A346 - which they decided 2 years ago they would retire. Why paint aircraft unless you have to? You make some points about costs due to their operation, but it ...

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by Boeing74741R
Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Don't mean to get off topic too much, but this has to do with profitability: Have a look: Does anyone not see something wrong here? For an airline of this size - this seems like mismanagement. Costs are too high for a number of reasons.below. VS have: 1.) 42 Aircraftt 2.) 4 fleet types - I can unde...

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by Boeing74741R
Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant
Replies: 311
Views: 56871

Re: BA could make up to 12.000 employees redundant

I will preface my post by saying that I feel for anybody working for BA at this time. I imagine this is not a pleasant situation to be in and I hope for the best for everyone. IMHO this is the situation BA needed to spearhead the changes they wanted to create 10 years ago with the old legacy contrac...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

So with BA just announcing they will be making 12,000 people redundant, do people still think it’s a good idea to be letting VS collapse? Add the two together and that will be over 20,000 people added to the dole queue in a short time (8,500 or so plus employees plus supply chain). I have just heard...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

All that said Virgin Group may have an out for a smaller business short term via Virgin Atlantic International - transfer a few more aircraft over and actually register them in the Caribbean. I did wonder about the second AOC VS have under Virgin Atlantic International Limited that was setup and ac...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

You cannot pretend this is a 6 months problem for VS when the gov't will have to keep bailing out until the industry returns to massive profitability. Clearly, VS's current model is incapable of generating same level of margins as other carriers. BA may need help in a few months, but it will make m...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

As I’ve said, I don’t think you know what you are talking about and I don’t think you are what you profess to be. I work in corporate finance. This is what you are holding yourself out as being. You do not state what role, but I assume you would not profess (or admit?) to being the cleaner. However...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 Turnover (£m) 1,630 2,337 2,579 2,357 2,700 2,740 2,870 2,828 2,782 2,689 2,664 2,781 Profit (EBT) (£m) 68.0 22.9 68.4 −132.0 18.5 −80.2 −69.9 −174.7 87.5 23.0 −28.4 −12.8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Atlantic Seems that profitabil...

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by Boeing74741R
Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Does anyone know if VS pays the Virgin Group a fee like every other non wholly owned Virgin company ? A detailed report in the Business section of The Times on 22nd April states that Virgin Atlantic pays an "undisclosed" royalty to Virgin Enterprises. From what I have been able to dig up ...

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by Boeing74741R
Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

1. The Virgin brand is looked on quite favourably in the UK. You only have to look at the outcry when Virgin Trains nearly lost the West Coast franchise a few years back. True. You don't see massive campaigns to boycott other Virgin companies such as Active, Atlantic, Money, Media, Radio, Wines, et...

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by Boeing74741R
Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23467

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

But why would IAG be a nice fit for them? Aren't LHR and AMS a bit too close to each other? AMS is only slight closer to LHR than it is to CDG, plus unlike CDG there's a bit of water separating the Netherlands and the UK. For comparison, go a bit further and you've got the same distance between LHR...

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by Boeing74741R
Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Spot on . It’s unworthy of any investment . Even Branson won’t put any of his own money into it . And that says it all really ... Once again you are talking rubbish. Did you miss this last month where SRB injected money into VS as well as other businesses within the Virgin empire? https://www.ft.co...

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by Boeing74741R
Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

At this point, I think the most likely scenario is ba taking over virgin. All these private equity guys are just vultures. To think they want to actually go in and fix the airlines with millions of their own money is laughable. Srb would be wise to swallow his pride and see what he can get from ba....

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by Boeing74741R
Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Great sell it to O’Leary for £500m ... Branson Cleary has no idea how to run an airline, yet another failed enterprise from Branson ... Eh? If COVID-19 hadn’t bitten, we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now. It’s also premature to talk about VS being “another failed enterprise from Branso...

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by Boeing74741R
Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

I wonder if SRB remembers 2008/9 when he said the UK Government should not bail out BA when they where losing money? He basically said it should just fail. Maybe he should follow his own words now.... Like I said on Friday before my post was deleted, when BA did what they did in the Dirty Tricks sc...

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by Boeing74741R
Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

skipness1E wrote:
What routes will BA(/AA) have to themselves if Virgin collapse? Only LHR-MIA I think? The rest all have some serious competition.


Various Caribbean routes from LGW would be a BA monopoly except for any that TUI also operate as charters.

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by Boeing74741R
Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

This is really correct as they do need the Virgin brand and it's assets like the FFer comminity to sell tickets to the UK market. True. I suspect DL may not have launched the various routes to MAN, GLA and EDI over the last 5 years if they were going it alone, or at least not within the same scale ...

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by Boeing74741R
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Anyone have an update on this?


There doesn't seem to be any further news since the government asked VS to redo their plans and SRB's statement at the start of the week. Hopefully something can be worked out soon.

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by Boeing74741R
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Just thinking back on how VS is claimed to offer competition as one of the reasons it should stay. This airline couldn’t even make LHR-DXB work. That is the second largest long haul destination from Heathrow all though it’s probably due to connections onto the Far East. BA has about 3 a day. Like D...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Don't forget to add in 2013 -76m loss 2012 -105 loss If you add up all the years they actually come out negative rather than positive in terms of profit. Back in 2012, VS had a large fleet of "gas guzzlers", no 787's in the fleet, different CEO and, crucially, different strategy and no ti...

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by Boeing74741R
Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Look's like SRB has come out and hit back at some of the criticism in the press https://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/open-letter-virgin-employees It goes to show some of the negative comments about SRB hasn't gone unnoticed. Fair play for exercising his right to defend himself. I was browsing soc...

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by Boeing74741R
Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

No surprises here: Virgin Atlantic cancels planned LHR-GRU route for good. Its first flight had been delayed until October 2020. https://flywith.virginatlantic.com/gb/en/news.html That's a shame, though not entirely unexpected. That is now the second route casualty along with EWR. I suspect other r...

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by Boeing74741R
Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

jomur wrote:
Anyway the airline is Jet2.com, Jet2holidays is a different company in the Dart Group.


I know that. Clearly the autocorrect feature on my iPad doesn't! :oops:

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by Boeing74741R
Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?
Replies: 1317
Views: 161979

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

EasyJet or Jet2 are more likely to be seen as the 2nd flag carrier than Virgin. Both have more aircraft and fly far more passengers. Rubbish on stilts. Not one human being has ever seen easyJet as a flag carrier, even less so ChanEx, both of which are excellent businesses. easyJet is more of a pan-...

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