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by flyingclrs727
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Easyjet Heathrow ambitions ..
Replies: 23
Views: 4762

Re: Easyjet Heathrow ambitions ..

Easyjet at Heathrow is a waste, when the third runway does arrive full service airline from around the world will fill its slots day one. There are plenty London airports for the LCC airlines. Wishful thinking I’m afraid. Unless Shai Weiss gets his way, new entrants will get a degree of priority an...

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by flyingclrs727
Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM to replace one daily flight to BRU with Rail service
Replies: 97
Views: 12270

Re: KLM to replace one daily flight to BRU with Rail service

[photoid][/photoid] This is definitely an interesting development. Myself, I have flown BRU-AMS as a connection and will say that it's nicer to be able to fly as opposed to using the rail station. For starters, if you have considerable baggage that is hard to carry, it is much easier simply to grab ...

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by flyingclrs727
Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM to replace one daily flight to BRU with Rail service
Replies: 97
Views: 12270

Re: KLM to replace one daily flight to BRU with Rail service

It's easy to build HSR when the government can just confiscate land and jail anyone who protests. Try building HSR in the Northeast Corridor in the US. It is one of the few places where an HSR could actually work. Unfortunately getting new rights of way to build one is close to impossible. I guess ...

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by flyingclrs727
Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM to replace one daily flight to BRU with Rail service
Replies: 97
Views: 12270

Re: KLM to replace one daily flight to BRU with Rail service

There will be a general increase in travel, using Wind/Nuclear powered trains for the parts which they can be used for is a good idea. Only burn oil for the long haul flights where there is currently no alternative. Within England and Wales, domestic point to point traffic is now very limited the N...

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by flyingclrs727
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM to replace one daily flight to BRU with Rail service
Replies: 97
Views: 12270

Re: KLM to replace one daily flight to BRU with Rail service

It's probably faster to take the train. By the time you pass through security, you've added quite a bit of time to the trip. If there is only one daily flight for such a short distance, it makes sense to just standardize on train connections and have multiple connections possible per day. There are...

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by flyingclrs727
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL retiring MD-80s quickly
Replies: 59
Views: 10817

Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

blacksoviet wrote:
Will any of the MD-88s or MD-90s end up in Iran?


Not if US sanctions on Iran continue. Considering most of the boneyards that could supply spares are located in the US, it would be difficult to support the MD-88 or MD-90 in any country that the US does not like.

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by flyingclrs727
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL retiring MD-80s quickly
Replies: 59
Views: 10817

Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

I found this on Flight Global concerning DL's MD88/90 retirement/replacement plans: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/delta-hastens-exit-of-mcdonnell-douglas-fleet-with-m-457377/ Per this article, it seems that the MD90's will all be gone very soon & the MD88's will be down to 44 by th...

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by flyingclrs727
Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM to replace one daily flight to BRU with Rail service
Replies: 97
Views: 12270

Re: KLM to replace one daily flight to BRU with Rail service

It's probably faster to take the train. By the time you pass through security, you've added quite a bit of time to the trip. If there is only one daily flight for such a short distance, it makes sense to just standardize on train connections and have multiple connections possible per day.

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by flyingclrs727
Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MD90 vs B737 Max
Replies: 49
Views: 7240

Re: MD90 vs B737 Max

Douglas sold themselves to Boeing as their products were not selling. The ND-90 has high wing loading, so is not efficient on longer missions. In effect, Douglas design strategy was optimized for lower oil prices. With the same engines, the MD-90 has significantly less range than the A329. The impr...

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by flyingclrs727
Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Improvements to the Boeing 787-8
Replies: 48
Views: 14476

Re: Improvements to the Boeing 787-8

I see Boeing not going after a lot of the new versions, likely because the high priority is the NMA. The 778 might sell 200 if it follows the 77L experience, probably costs around $1B to develop, that is $5M per bird over the 779 development cost. Big changes to the 788 will also be a while off. Ge...

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by flyingclrs727
Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Improvements to the Boeing 787-8
Replies: 48
Views: 14476

Re: Improvements to the Boeing 787-8

No doubt the 788 can be improved, but I have a feeling the focus will shift towards the 789 and 781 as this is where, I believe, most of the sales will come from going forward. Well the 788 can be used as a direct 763 or 764 replacement with better CASM and longer range. Lowering the cost of the 78...

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by flyingclrs727
Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Can existing 737MAX airframes be deMAXed?
Replies: 13
Views: 2240

Re: Can existing 737MAX airframes be deMAXed?

No! Fascinating insight. Would all of the airframes have to be scrapped? Well the whole point of the MAX was the new engines. The size of the engines necessitated the MCAS system. Replacing the engines would require recertifying it with different engines that would be less efficient. The real quest...

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by flyingclrs727
Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MD90 vs B737 Max
Replies: 49
Views: 7240

Re: MD90 vs B737 Max

Didn't Boeing inherit the MD90 production line? Airlines certainly seem to like the MD90. No development costs, no lawsuits, no delivery delay penalties What airlines like the MD90? Only Delta still operates them, but has parked a significant number and took a financial write down last quarter and ...

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by flyingclrs727
Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will anyone pick up AA’s retired MD80’s ?
Replies: 50
Views: 9447

Re: Will anyone pick up AA’s retired MD80’s ?

I think that it’s unlikely that a major carrier will do so. A small carrier could do, although probably not in the USA/Europe. If you are thinking South America/Africa/Asia perhaps. There is always the cargo option. Why would anyone want to use them for cargo? First they would need to be converted ...

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by flyingclrs727
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Should Airbus standarize A321NEO/LR/XLR into a single version.
Replies: 56
Views: 7563

Re: Should Airbus standarize A321NEO/LR/XLR into a single version.

Can always do paper derates, a lot more common then you think. Paper derates are one thing. Having extra equipment built in that adds to maintenance cost is another. The market for the A321 is large enough for both ends of marketing line to be maintained. If anything, the middle option will disappe...

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by flyingclrs727
Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Should Airbus standarize A321NEO/LR/XLR into a single version.
Replies: 56
Views: 7563

Re: Should Airbus standarize A321NEO/LR/XLR into a single version.

LR will most likely become the base A321neo since it kinda already is and its tanks are already removable and whatnot, while the XLR will remain a separate variant. The extra weight and expense is not needed for most routes flown by variants of the A321. Even if the the ACT's can be removed, the ex...

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by flyingclrs727
Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Should Airbus standarize A321NEO/LR/XLR into a single version.
Replies: 56
Views: 7563

Re: Should Airbus standarize A321NEO/LR/XLR into a single version.

Until a Boeing NMA is launched and depending how that looks from a capacity/price standpoint, Airbus will keep the XLR separate from neo/LR (which may become a single line) because they need a value product (321neo) to compete against the MAX commercially, but the XLR's range commands a premium as ...

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by flyingclrs727
Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Should Airbus standarize A321NEO/LR/XLR into a single version.
Replies: 56
Views: 7563

Re: Should Airbus standarize A321NEO/LR/XLR into a single version.

LR will most likely become the base A321neo since it kinda already is and its tanks are already removable and whatnot, while the XLR will remain a separate variant. The extra weight and expense is not needed for most routes flown by variants of the A321. Even if the the ACT's can be removed, the ex...

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by flyingclrs727
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Asymmetrical traffic flows
Replies: 18
Views: 3609

Re: Asymmetrical traffic flows

Does immigration cause asymmetrical traffic flows? While usually as many passengers fly in one direction as they do in the counter-direction, does immigration cause asymmetrical traffic? People just fly somewhere and stay? There are millions of migrants in the world today and while most don't neces...

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by flyingclrs727
Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Tim Clark: won't take new planes unless engines are truly ready
Replies: 272
Views: 35486

Re: Reuters: Tim Clark: won't take new planes unless engines are truly ready

Yet the A380s are only the tip of the iceberg. The huge 777 fleet would be equally oversized without the large number of A380s. Might be true if all are full, but this isn't the case. A380s are 1/3rd bigger than 777W and worse at cargo. Getting rid of A380s lets you retain frequency as you add 777X...

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by flyingclrs727
Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Inference: BA may acquire 6 x A380 ex-LH
Replies: 70
Views: 24176

Re: Inference: BA may acquire 6 x A380 ex-LH

A380 also works well on routes between airports that are not particularly slot constrained but require high number of premium seats at a particular time. They also work well for city pairs where there is limited demand for frequency due to time zone difference combined with travel time. LHR-HKG and...

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by flyingclrs727
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Active DC-8 Fleet Tracking/Retirements/Discussion Thread
Replies: 79
Views: 13307

Re: Active DC-8 Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread

KILN has an operational DC-8 flight sim. It is kept operational for NASA to support their bird. I wonder at what point it will make sense to acquire an A340-300 to replace the NASA DC-8-72? At least an A340 has mostly common spares with an A330. NASA is one of the only operators of the DC-8 70 Seri...

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by flyingclrs727
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Active DC-8 Fleet Tracking/Retirements/Discussion Thread
Replies: 79
Views: 13307

Re: Active DC-8 Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread

I kinda doubt they would go for an Airbus plane for political reasons. Perhaps a B707 from the tanker program ? It is a sad time but reality that these lovely planes are disappearing from use. For some reason, they always had a look about them I liked and as built like tanks, had long lives, especi...

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by flyingclrs727
Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Active DC-8 Fleet Tracking/Retirements/Discussion Thread
Replies: 79
Views: 13307

Re: Active DC-8 Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread

Is there an operational DC-8 simulator somewhere? KILN has an operational DC-8 flight sim. It is kept operational for NASA to support their bird. I wonder at what point it will make sense to acquire an A340-300 to replace the NASA DC-8-72? At least an A340 has mostly common spares with an A330. NAS...

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by flyingclrs727
Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:58 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: TAP Portugal Far East Asia possibilities
Replies: 5
Views: 686

Re: TAP Portugal Far East Asia possibilities

TAP might have good connections to Brazil, but how big is the East Asia - Brazil market anyway? And isn't it better served through hubs like Los Angeles which is way shorter? Are you aware of how far east Brazil is? From Brazil Chinese cities are closer flying east than west. Traveling through LAX ...

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by flyingclrs727
Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:01 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: New UA routes out of LAX / IAH
Replies: 7
Views: 886

Re: New UA routes out of LAX / IAH

As much as UA has lately added season, leisure oriented routes across the Atlantic from EWR/ORD/IAD, I'm very surprised they have not resumed IAH-CDG for a summer route. I'm sure they feel they can use a widebody more profitably elsewhere, but it's actually a pretty big hole in their network from o...

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by flyingclrs727
Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Another wide-body firefighting supertanker?
Replies: 66
Views: 9511

Re: Another wide-body firefighting supertanker?

Having some doubts about deploying widebody-two haulers (A330,B767,B777) as firefighting planes. They might need higher operating heights for safety reasons than the 747 or DC10, that means less effectivity. A 747 and a DC10 are still doing fine with one engine out while dropping the load. And even...

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by flyingclrs727
Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn't the B753 sell better?
Replies: 136
Views: 24211

Re: Why didn't the B753 sell better?

The MAX 9/10 are cheap derivatives of the 8, which is (and remains) a commercially successful product, and competes quite well with the A320neo. Boeing's customers gave it no choice but to develop the 8, and once you are doing the 8, something bigger follows logically even if it can't quite compete...

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by flyingclrs727
Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta 747-400
Replies: 8
Views: 2050

Re: Delta 747-400

Aren't they due for a Fuel Inerting System installation if they are to fly in the US registry? I thought reading that was one of the main driver for DL to retire the type. Yeah they would require some expensive maintenance and modifications. Not sure there's enough foreign demand for cargo aircraft...

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by flyingclrs727
Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:36 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Why don't AI and UA codeshare with eachother on US-India flights?
Replies: 9
Views: 1226

Re: Why don't AI and UA codeshare with eachother on US-India flights?

United (and Air China) have been vocal opponents of Air India's entry in to Star Alliance apparently - there is a bit of a tiff in between them. Which is probably why UA codeshared with 9W when they were still flying and soon UK. UA also do not codeshare with Singapore Airlines, Thai & Turkish,...

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by flyingclrs727
Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:13 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Was it possible to build the MAX on 757 Platform instead of 737
Replies: 68
Views: 12390

Re: Was it possible to build the MAX on 757 Platform instead of 737

September11 wrote:
I’m still curious about 757-100


It was too heavy even as just a concept, so no airline was interested. Shrinks usually are to heavy and uneconomical to operate.

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by flyingclrs727
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:31 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: International Medical/Travel Insurance Advice Needed
Replies: 22
Views: 822

Re: International Medical/Travel Insurance Advice Needed

Good day, My wife and I will be going to South Africa for about 10 days in February. Most of the time will be spent in/around Cape Town, with another two days out on a safari/reserve. Now, we aren't ones to ever purchase any type of insurance when we travel internationally. If we are in Europe or A...

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by flyingclrs727
Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn't the B753 sell better?
Replies: 136
Views: 24211

Re: Why didn't the B753 sell better?

The 757 was not the stronger program. The original 737-900 was not a strong seller, but it was built on the same lines as the other 737 models using the same parts. Still at the same time, the 757 was selling even worse. 10. Nov. 1997 was launch of B739 program. The final 7 B757 orders from China w...

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by flyingclrs727
Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: "Open Skies" in a World of Slot-Controlled Airports
Replies: 24
Views: 2401

Re: "Open Skies" in a World of Slot-Controlled Airports

They are completely separate issues. But they're not always treated as such, in fact there's been some rather blatant (and arguably quite hypocritical) disparity in approach to the two. The US' negotiations with the UK in 2002 (and to a lesser extent, 1998) to end Bermuda II, vs the the "open ...

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by flyingclrs727
Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?
Replies: 230
Views: 25512

Re: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?

The triad A220-A321-A350 is already well positioned to cover a large spectrum during the next decades. A321 being the older one, a clean-sheet of the equivalent size, with composite fuselage could be an idea, like a 797, but with the following generation of engines. I think it would be too early fo...

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by flyingclrs727
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn't the B753 sell better?
Replies: 136
Views: 24211

Re: Why didn't the B753 sell better?

After 10. Nov. 1997 when the B737-900 program was launched there were 116 B757 orders from the USA and 44 orders from foreign countries. But there was also only 68 orders for the B737-900 and 900ER before the summer of 2005. So there is some justification to say that Boeing killed the stronger prog...

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by flyingclrs727
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn't the B753 sell better?
Replies: 136
Views: 24211

Re: Why didn't the B753 sell better?

After 10. Nov. 1997 when the B737-900 program was launched there were 116 B757 orders from the USA and 44 orders from foreign countries. But there was also only 68 orders for the B737-900 and 900ER before the summer of 2005. So there is some justification to say that Boeing killed the stronger prog...

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by flyingclrs727
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn't the B753 sell better?
Replies: 136
Views: 24211

Re: Why didn't the B753 sell better?

I've flown the 753 on TCX a couple of times and couldnt wait to get off. Cramped and a nightmare to deplane if you are sat at the back. I'm sure they are great for the bean-counters but not much fun to fly on and i say that as someone who goes out of his way to take 757s if there is a choice as I l...

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by flyingclrs727
Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL
Replies: 178
Views: 55724

Re: Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL

It all depends on the present bookvalue, re-sale value, assurance, etc. Last FAA maintenance entry for N543US was recorded at 12/6/2018 : 69933 flt hrs and 27261 cycles. The 757 series can be operated with full Boeing support until 150.000 hrs and 75.000 cycles (LOV) If the repair is performed toge...

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by flyingclrs727
Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets
Replies: 204
Views: 31800

Re: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets

At some point, it might sink in that investing billions in 737-7's, that, let's put it mildly, are not the hottest girls on the dancing floor, might not be the mother of all long term fleet strategies. Well, the -700s were not the hottest girls out of the Next Generation models. The -800 outsold th...

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by flyingclrs727
Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Heathrow-JFK is the world's only billion-dollar airline route.
Replies: 51
Views: 10574

Re: Heathrow-JFK is the world's only billion-dollar airline route.

I'm glad they don't operate their newest airplanes. Who wants to be stuck in 3-3-3 on a 787? I just had that experience and I still cannot believe why they couldn't make that plane a few inches wider... If it was 10 inches wider, they will probably try to squeeze in another seat. I'm pretty sure th...

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by flyingclrs727
Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Heathrow-JFK is the world's only billion-dollar airline route.
Replies: 51
Views: 10574

Re: Heathrow-JFK is the world's only billion-dollar airline route.

If BA’s most lucrative route is JFK, why the don’t operate their newest airplanes on it !! Because their newest airplanes are allocated to routes that benefit the most from having the newest most fuel efficient planes. LHR-JFK is a rather short flight by transoceanic standards. The shorter the flig...

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by flyingclrs727
Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mom, daughter kicked off Air Canada plane, not told they're banned from airline until it was too late
Replies: 138
Views: 17402

Re: Mom, daughter kicked off Air Canada plane, not told they're banned from airline until it was too late

Well people need to learn How to behave in public. If they hadn't behaved in a way that got them kicked off a flight earlier, they would would not have been denied boarding on another flight.

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by flyingclrs727
Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets
Replies: 204
Views: 31800

Re: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets

I think the MAX-7/8/10 line up is ideal for WN's route network. They tried diversifying with a smaller aircraft and failed miserably. They had 717s in house and paid DL to take them off their hands. WN knows what its core strengths are, and those strengths are different than DL, B6 or Moxy. Moxy de...

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by flyingclrs727
Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets
Replies: 204
Views: 31800

Re: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets

As evidenced by the fact that we increased the seating capacity in the 300/700 from 137 to 143. It's. Not. Happening. Even the article repeatedly states it, yet somehow manages to come to the opposite conclusion. When they replaced the original seats with slimline seats on their existing 737's. The...

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by flyingclrs727
Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets
Replies: 204
Views: 31800

Re: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets

Southwest has come to realize the 737 is not ideal for every market or route. As we noted above, this is not only about MAX. It is also a realization that MOXY lurks in the wings. ... I think - the A223/ 195E2 are going to be 4-5t lighter than A319/737-7 for the same seat capacity - airlines like t...

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by flyingclrs727
Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets
Replies: 204
Views: 31800

Re: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets

Yeah, it would be stupid to pass on A220-300. It's the most fuel efficient replacement for A319 and B737-700 right now. I think if southwest actually order couple hundreds A220-300, Airbus would expand it's production capacity for it. They are desperate for big orders for A220. WN also needs a smal...

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by flyingclrs727
Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets
Replies: 204
Views: 31800

Re: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets

Yeah, it would be stupid to pass on A220-300. It's the most fuel efficient replacement for A319 and B737-700 right now. I think if southwest actually order couple hundreds A220-300, Airbus would expand it's production capacity for it. They are desperate for big orders for A220. WN also needs a smal...

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by flyingclrs727
Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn't the B753 sell better?
Replies: 136
Views: 24211

Re: Why didn't the B753 sell better?

The 757-300 was too heavy and as a result lacked range. It could have still sold fine though if it wasn't for the fact that it entered the market right before 9/11, which basically destroyed any order potential left for the model. It may just be me, but it seems to me like the A320 was the real 727...

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