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by RL757PVD
Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 971
Views: 130950

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

The only reason for the Florida flying boost is that the airlines missed out on the entire summer peak season and there is only one place to make any kind of cash in the first quarter and it’s the warm sun markets. This is the same exact reason why Southwest is going into Miami and Palm Springs. Wi...

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by RL757PVD
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 309
Views: 55870

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Delta finally modified the PVD schedule from the default one that had been hanging out there (3x ATL 3x DTW) to 1x ATL and 2x DTW starting in November meaning the return is more realistic now. Nice to see PVD not go the same course as other secondary markets.

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by RL757PVD
Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 971
Views: 130950

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

The only reason for the Florida flying boost is that the airlines missed out on the entire summer peak season and there is only one place to make any kind of cash in the first quarter and it’s the warm sun markets. This is the same exact reason why Southwest is going into Miami and Palm Springs.

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by RL757PVD
Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Advancing Focus City Strategy (New Route Announcements)
Replies: 200
Views: 22053

Re: JetBlue Advancing Focus City Strategy (New Route Announcements)

I'm not usually one of bang the merger drum but the conspiracy theorist in me thinks they are beefing up EWR to make it an easy divestment for someone wanting to buy B6 for their JFK assets or vice-versa if UA

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by RL757PVD
Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1223
Views: 190159

Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020

I'm surprised BDL-LAS wasn't on the list, even if less than daily, that route has been unserved for over a year now I believe, if not longer. Also lends some hope for a potential PVD-LAX come next spring or summer if things are on the upswing,

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by RL757PVD
Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When will SGU-LAX/DFW resume?
Replies: 17
Views: 2336

Re: When will SGU-LAX/DFW resume?

SGU-PHX was my first full flight post covid. I’ve had 4 trips to SGU in the past year and a half and I don’t think any flight was less than 75% full. It’s quite the boom town and a lot of natural beauty in the region. I can totally see Saint George becoming for Vegas and Phoenix what Palm Springs is...

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by RL757PVD
Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

The November AA schedule is still a default/dummy schedule.

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by RL757PVD
Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest launch service to Miami & Palm Springs
Replies: 195
Views: 21289

Re: Southwest launch service to Miami & Palm Springs

I don't expect anything drastic by any means, in this environment WN has to compete for every passenger in the marketplace, in addition airlines are going to need to make as much cash as possible in Q1 meaning, warm and sunny destinations and thats exactly what we see here. PSP can be simple as 2x O...

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by RL757PVD
Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

The reason why it’s an E175 is that for sat only to really work with the Miami hub is that it needs to start the day in PWM. My guess is that what would be a morning ORD that comes in the night before will be the plane that does the MIA turn on Saturday. Last month BDL-MIA was operated by an E175 Too

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by RL757PVD
Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1738
Views: 240512

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Not seeing ORH bookable at any time in the future.... Isolated pull or are other small cities missing?

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by RL757PVD
Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATE: AA Goes Forward with Suspending Service to 15 Small Airports in October
Replies: 315
Views: 48436

Re: REPORT: American to drop routes to "two dozen" small/medium sized cities with no new aid

PGV isn't exactly close to other options like some other places and its actually a growing community with a large university. In fact they got a SCASD to support a second airline.

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by RL757PVD
Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13
Replies: 71
Views: 10322

Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Looks like PVD-RSW is back to daily come February after being sat only for the past few years, its 2x on Sat There will be a total of 11x Florida flights on saturdays, with a weekly average of 15 daily, which is on par or up from what was scheduled for this past Feb/March. I'm actually surprised the...

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by RL757PVD
Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 971
Views: 130950

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Bizarre - UA decides to enter BOS-FLL/MCO/TPA/RSW https://hub.united.com/2020-07-31-united-airlines-plans-to-resume-service-on-more-than-25-international-routes-in-september-2646851493.html They say “peak days” so I wonder how much of these will be sat only or sat/sun only funded by otherwise ORD D...

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by RL757PVD
Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any possibility of WN announcing new nonstop routes out of DAL in the upcoming 8/13/2020 schedule extension?
Replies: 25
Views: 3077

Re: Any possibility of WN announcing new nonstop routes out of DAL in the upcoming 8/13/2020 schedule extension?

With demand being what it is, I expect airlines to double down on Florida as a last hope to generate or recover some cash after losing out on the summer peak. I expect we will see more NE-Florida flying with some possibilities and new routes like MHT/ALB/ROC-RSW and daily PVD-PBI for more than the f...

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by RL757PVD
Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 431
Views: 74452

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sept got gutted...
PVD has 7 (4 BWI 1 DCA 1 MDW 1 MCO)
BDL has 4 (3 BWI 1 MDW)
BOS has 8 (4 BWI 1 MDW 2 BNA 1 DEN)
MHT has 5 (4 BWI 1 MDW)

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by RL757PVD
Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 8/4/2020:SEPTEMBER SLIDE;AA Drops LAX-YVR;AM Drops AUS;AS Adds SAN-SBA;
Replies: 75
Views: 16956

Re: OAG Changes 8/4/2020:SEPTEMBER SLIDE;AA Drops LAX-YVR;AM Drops AUS;AS Adds SAN-SBA;

Thanks enrilia! Nice to see AA resume BDL-LAX in October and the new SAN add on AS to SBA. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Considering BDL is losing both DFW and MIA after labor day, I wouldn't hold your breath for LAX for October, however, it wasnt on the permanently canceled list from last wee...

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by RL757PVD
Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020
Replies: 272
Views: 40747

Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Unfortunately, for Allegiant and others, the cruise industry will have to markedly shrink. But I have no doubt Allegiant will recover. Lightsaber Not a day goes by where there's not someone I know posting pics of them on a beach in Florida. Florida also just recorded the smallest daily positive cas...

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by RL757PVD
Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes for 7/21/2020:AUGUST SINKING;EK Drops EWR-DXB; DL Drops MLI-MSP; Big Cuts for DL/NK
Replies: 80
Views: 15698

Re: OAG Changes for 7/21/2020:AUGUST SINKING;EK Drops EWR-DXB; DL Drops MLI-MSP; Big Cuts for DL/NK

Yes, the hiatus was extended through 9/30. Wonder if PVD will lose service all together. If 10/1 airlines can drop stations as they please and DL has canceled services to PVD thru 9/30 then it looks like 10/1 will be the final nail in the coffin for DL @ PVD. I hope I’m wrong. They could do that no...

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by RL757PVD
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:07 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: WN Fares 13SEP20-02OCT20
Replies: 6
Views: 1793

Re: WN Fares 13SEP20-02OCT20

I think they went in and did cuts and haven't re-calibrated the fares.

PVD is showing 9x daily which is down 1-2 (4x BWI 2x MDW 2x MCO 1x DCA)

BDL is showing only 6x with just BWI and MDW with no florida nonstop at all (at least during the week)

BOS is down to 14 daily flights

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by RL757PVD
Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

Some pleasant surprises for PVD this morning in terms of NEW service which is something hard to come by right now... B6 is adding TPA and RSW ... says "up to daily" so might start as x23 in the fall ... that means they will be up to as many as 7 daily flights which should move them into a ...

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by RL757PVD
Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Major Expansion B6 at EWR and JFK
Replies: 275
Views: 34208

Re: Major Expansion B6 at EWR and JFK

PVD will have gone from 8 years worth of only 3 flights to now up to 7 daily in less than 24 months.

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by RL757PVD
Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:06 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: JetBlue Website Schedule for SEPT - How Firm?
Replies: 5
Views: 1045

Re: JetBlue Website Schedule for SEPT - How Firm?

It depends where the CAT 5 hurricane bulldozes. That’s going to be very on brand for 2020.

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by RL757PVD
Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

I noticed AA commenced DFW-PWM this last weekend. I figured it would be canceled. How about Southwest BNA-PWM and Sun Country MSP-PWM. Are those still on? I've heard the bookings on PWM-DFW looking forward are very good. Perhaps more than 1x week could be justified. Well when the 3 day advance purc...

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by RL757PVD
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

I think you are referring to the winter AA ran PVD-MIA to keep F9 out. It’s too bad they can’t figure out a way to make weekend flying work... AA doesn’t really do Sat or sat/sun only to warm the market up. Living in Miami I can tell you that for New England it’s really Fort Lauderdale that you want...

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by RL757PVD
Wed May 27, 2020 2:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1223
Views: 190159

Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020

Traditionally PVD-Florida is one of their highest average fares outside of BOS/NYC/BDL so its nice and encouraging to see JetBlue return when they have no obligation to.

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by RL757PVD
Thu May 14, 2020 4:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020
Replies: 272
Views: 40747

Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Any news about the pending MDW service? Aside from the MDW Ticket counter signs all Chicago advertising has vanished? Flyguy Pretty sure it has been postponed indefinitely, as well as BOS and HOU. BOS service for the summer has been cancelled, meaning no GRR service at all. AVL/TYS/VPS are still bo...

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by RL757PVD
Sun May 10, 2020 3:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

Just to put things in perspective... DL will have only 15 daily flights at BOS in June

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by RL757PVD
Thu May 07, 2020 7:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

Im guessing its something like PWM-PHL MCO, replacing PWM-MCO and combining it with a PHL-MCO It was N370FR, originated at MCO. Then to PHL-PWM. But Frontier suspended flights to PWM. It’s been at least a week or two since a flight has come in. If they took cared money then they are not allowed to ...

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by RL757PVD
Thu May 07, 2020 5:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

Im guessing its something like PWM-PHL MCO, replacing PWM-MCO and combining it with a PHL-MCO

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by RL757PVD
Thu May 07, 2020 1:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TTN Runway limitations
Replies: 17
Views: 1874

Re: TTN Runway limitations

It has to do with the strength of the runway. Not all runways are built the same, thus a larger plane could sink through the surface based on the weight. TTN: https://www.airnav.com/airport/KTTN LIH: https://www.airnav.com/airport/PHLI For each runway you will see the max weight the runway can hand...

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by RL757PVD
Wed May 06, 2020 12:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future of B6 and ACK, MVY, and HYA
Replies: 26
Views: 2857

Re: Future of B6 and ACK, MVY, and HYA

With JetBlue supposedly taking delivery of the a220's later this year and phasing the E190 out of their fleet, how will these smaller islands fare with the added capacity and overall bigger plane? Will it be able to take off of the shorter runways or will it be time to abandon these types of destin...

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by RL757PVD
Mon May 04, 2020 6:39 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: LAX world’s busiest IF no gate/slot restrictions?
Replies: 7
Views: 1052

Re: LAX world’s busiest IF no gate/slot restrictions?

Airfield wise, the lack of a parallel taxiway between the two north runways significantly limits capacity compared to similar airfields like ATL (pre 5th runway), this will hold them back more than gates until improvements are made as this will require constructing an entirely new runway to shift it...

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by RL757PVD
Sat May 02, 2020 8:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

There is absolutely zero demand right now. So any suspension really only helps WN and AA which are both still offering a somewhat usable schedule if you have to fly. PVD might actually be lucky in this is that they have been aggressively cutting costs over the past two years to become more competiti...

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by RL757PVD
Sat May 02, 2020 8:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 971
Views: 130950

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Delta is rolling out their June schedule over the next two weeks so I’d wait to see what that brings. I would expect June to be down about 50% in terms of capacity

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by RL757PVD
Fri May 01, 2020 2:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 971
Views: 130950

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

I'll stick with my prediction of down 35-40% for 2020 and down 15-20% from 2019 for 2021. The primary cause is the connecting traffic and feed for international flights that helps to boost numbers having the inverse impact during a decline.

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by RL757PVD
Fri May 01, 2020 1:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 971
Views: 130950

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Call me optimistic then :) I don't believe this is far worse than what followed 9/11. In the very short term yes it is, but this will pass far quicker. . The difference compared to 9/11 is after 9/11 the airlines were flying again within a week and demand was generally back within a couple months. ...

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by RL757PVD
Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 971
Views: 130950

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Call me optimistic then :) I don't believe this is far worse than what followed 9/11. In the very short term yes it is, but this will pass far quicker. . The difference compared to 9/11 is after 9/11 the airlines were flying again within a week and demand was generally back within a couple months. ...

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by RL757PVD
Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 971
Views: 130950

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

My gut tells me Summer 2021 International will be at MOST 75% of what what planned for this summer. As far as Terminal E goes, this would be a good time to do any disruptive portions of the project to enhance and expedite project delivery. The other side of the Terminal E coin, is what do the rates ...

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by RL757PVD
Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 971
Views: 130950

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

2-3 Years is extremely optimistic, this is far worse than 9/11 was from a demand perspective. I don't think you will see 2019 levels for at least 5 years. If there's a second wave in the fall, I suspect we will have at least 2 fewer major airlines (the big 4 likely intact) as result of mergers and/o...

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by RL757PVD
Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

So it looks like B6 is choosing to suspend service at LGA, HPN, SWF, BWI, PVD, BUR, ONT, and SJC from April 15 through June 10. I find it really curious that they chose to suspend PVD and keep ORH active. I would think that would be an easy hall pass for B6, but I guess it shows the power MassPort....

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by RL757PVD
Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

ORH did not have service when they grouped PVD and MHT with BOS, so its kind of a technicality.

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by RL757PVD
Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

This affects a lot of airports and my guess is anything beyond temporary or if it gets abused will be met with swift political action, airports like BWI, IAD, OAK, SJC, ISP, SWF, ONT, SNA, BUR, LGB, FLL. B6 is temporarily suspending most of those with the obvious exception of FLL. Each AA, DL, UA D...

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by RL757PVD
Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

This affects a lot of airports and my guess is anything beyond temporary or if it gets abused will be met with swift political action, airports like BWI, IAD, OAK, SJC, ISP, SWF, ONT, SNA, BUR, LGB, FLL. B6 is temporarily suspending most of those with the obvious exception of FLL. Each AA, DL, UA DL...

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by RL757PVD
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

We shall see if it ultimately comes to pass, but in the B6 schedule extension, PVD-FLL finally goes to 2x (seasonally) for a total of 5 daily, and as an added bonus, the PBI flight is showing as an A321. Lets hope demand rebounds enough to see this through...

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by RL757PVD
Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 120
Views: 17158

Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

BOS-MIA is being sold for $15 r/t for most days in May so if thats any indication...

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by RL757PVD
Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1223
Views: 190159

Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020

Looks like ORH keeps their JFK and MCO/FLL is shared/split for 1x daily 3/4 each weekly

BDL lost their 2nd PBI and have some X2/3 days on their 2nd FLL and MCO

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by RL757PVD
Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1223
Views: 190159

Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020

PVD523 wrote:
PVD's reduced April schedule will consist of 1x MCO, FLL, and PBI on Sun, Mon, Thur, Fri, and Sat. Tues and Wed will be 1x MCO only.

That's only a reduction of 4 weekly frequencies (FLL and PBI going X23) which is not bad considering the number i'm hearing nationwide is 40%

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by RL757PVD
Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1223
Views: 190159

Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020

I wonder if this will give them the excuse/out they have been looking for to axe ORH

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by RL757PVD
Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020
Replies: 240
Views: 29347

Re: The Rest of New England Aviation Thread (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2020

Whereas Florida has actually been on the cool-side! Even in Miami I needed a sweater to walk the dog the other morning... How many people really book a knee-jerk trip to Florida when it gets below zero though?

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