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by na
Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:58 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Does the 2nd gen 777 have any exterior lighting differences from 1st gen?
Replies: 7
Views: 857

Re: Does the 2nd gen 777 have any exterior lighting differences from 1st gen?

The red light on top of the 2nd gen 777s is positioned way more forward compared to the older versions where it was fitted just in front of the forwardmost blade antenna. Btw, when some airlines (like AA, BA or UA) fitted internet radomes to their 77Es this red light was repositioned to the position...

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by na
Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 377
Views: 88237

Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Btw, no 747-8 got repainted into the new livery since the Covid-19-crisis started. Seems Boeings paintshop did deliver a better quality than Airbus with the A350 of which the oldest three got the new scheme already despite them being a few years younger than the oldest 748! I’m pretty sure it has g...

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by na
Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 377
Views: 88237

Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Btw, no 747-8 got repainted into the new livery since the Covid-19-crisis started. Seems Boeings paintshop did deliver a better quality than Airbus with the A350 of which the oldest three got the new scheme already despite them being a few years younger than the oldest 748!

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by na
Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 377
Views: 88237

Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

The lhgroupfleet site seems offline.... it was really a good source of information about plane status.... And unique in the world. I guess the detailed information there caused confusion lately with all those rumours about the reintroduction of the 744, A346 etc.. I don't see how it caused confusio...

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by na
Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 377
Views: 88237

Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

Not sure why you would consider it "fake NEO", as it is just a bit of livery. Look at Air Canada - they have even painted 787s with a racoon mask. Anyway, its pure and simple A330-200s that received their mask as part of the livery. From a German perspective this livery is very significan...

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by na
Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 377
Views: 88237

Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2021

hervebkk wrote:
The lhgroupfleet site seems offline.... it was really a good source of information about plane status....

And unique in the world. I guess the detailed information there caused confusion lately with all those rumours about the reintroduction of the 744, A346 etc..

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by na
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021
Replies: 533
Views: 108124

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Who beside UA (and BA) does operate such a number of old widebodies? DL, AA, BA, AF, LH, KE...should I continue? Not true. As I said, BA is an exception. Only small numbers of subfleets under retirement plans are left elsewhere from mid-90s vintage. AAs 777s are for the most part years younger than...

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by na
Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021
Replies: 533
Views: 108124

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

What's going to happen to the PW-powered 777 fleet? With the engine type being troublesome and the subfleet grounded for some time (for the most part at least) and the planes being very much advanced in age for a respectable major airline is there any news if, and when those are being retired for g...

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by na
Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021
Replies: 533
Views: 108124

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

What's going to happen to the PW-powered 777 fleet? With the engine type being troublesome and the subfleet grounded for some time (for the most part at least) and the planes being very much advanced in age for a respectable major airline is there any news if, and when those are being retired for go...

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by na
Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TWA 800 lost 25 years ago July 17, 1996
Replies: 48
Views: 6877

Re: TWA 800 lost 25 years ago July 17, 1996

I have a question about this that I cannot understand. For years it's puzzled me and I stumbled upon this post and this is the only place to ask it. After AA191 was lost at ORD on 25th May 1979, DC-10s were summarily grounded until the FAA deemed they were safe to fly. Why weren't 747s grounded unt...

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by na
Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:22 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: USAF VC-25B News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 239
Views: 30927

Re: Air Force One - Delay to New 747-8 Deliveries

Has the paint job for them been finalized, or is it still up in the air? That's a great question. I have no idea. I hope they do change it. That scheme is so 50’s and 60’s. They need something to make a stronger futuristic statement. Just because it’s got the right colors doesn’t make it right. I d...

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by na
Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TWA 800 lost 25 years ago July 17, 1996
Replies: 48
Views: 6877

Re: TWA 800 lost 25 years ago July 17, 1996

25 years have gone? I am getting old I am afraid. I still remember the white and red plane shown as the main photo on the front page of my local newspaper here in Germany. It was the time when I spend the first hours in the internet and TWA800 became one of, or perhaps the first big case for conspir...

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by na
Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kalitta Air New Livery
Replies: 79
Views: 13655

Re: Kalitta Air New Livery

Planes are painted for a few reasons...protection, reflectivity and it smooths out the skin for a bit more speed/efficiency . So far no one had made the silly statement “weight” as the weight of a 3 color paint on a 747 when finally dry only 350-550 lbs. the weight of two and 1/2 American passenger...

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by na
Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kalitta Air New Livery
Replies: 79
Views: 13655

Re: Kalitta Air New Livery

The old titles were crap. The new titles are crap. The old livery was dated, but distinctive and cheerful. The new one is just cheap. Seems that is the reason for the change, saving money to increase profit. But what is the sense of profit, if not to do nice things with it? Ceterum censeo: Air China...

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by na
Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlas Air Purchases Four Boeing 747-8 Freighters
Replies: 147
Views: 22599

Re: Atlas Air Purchases Four Boeing 747-8 Freighters

Some ex-ANA machines are heading to the scrappers aswell, and maybe we'll see some ex-Emirates too. The ANA machines are B773s...or are some B77Ws (long-haul) frames being scrapped? The ex-EK ones are likely freighter conversion candidates, and I see NH frames being as well as they're low-cycle fra...

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by na
Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM livery
Replies: 14
Views: 4071

Re: KLM livery

keesje wrote:
I remember it was called "technical white" originally and choosen because it made dirt from the runways less visible, reducing cleaning frequencies, costs.


Perhaps the same reason why Airbus paints the wings very light grey and not white. Boeings lightgrey is a bit darker.

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by na
Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM livery
Replies: 14
Views: 4071

Re: KLM livery

Th exact colour is called "Cool Grey". https://blog.klm.com/the-man-behind-the-livery/ Going from here, the belly should still be cool grey on the current drop nose livery! I have to agree with the designer, KLM is a classic, always did look good since they introduced the blue too around ...

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by na
Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM livery
Replies: 14
Views: 4071

Re: KLM livery

Thank you.

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by na
Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM livery
Replies: 14
Views: 4071

KLM livery

I have a question about KLMs colors. When a few years ago the livery introduced in 2003 was slightly modified by lowering the "waterline" downwards towards the nose, was the light grey belly paint kept or are belly and engines now painted white? Its hard to judge by photos, however, I thin...

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by na
Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LH ordering 5 more A350s and 5 more 787-9
Replies: 283
Views: 58327

Re: LH ordering 5 more A350s and 5 more 787-9

3 of the White tails are currently parked up and storedat VCV - LN887 (N1005S) - LN893 (N1003N) - LN913 (N1008S) The other two aircraft, LN905 (N1006F) is parked up at EVE, Speaking with a friend in the know, this is likely to be the first aircraft delivered. LN898 (Not registered) is sitting at CH...

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by na
Tue May 11, 2021 3:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LH ordering 5 more A350s and 5 more 787-9
Replies: 283
Views: 58327

Re: LH ordering 5 more A350s and 5 more 787-9

Firm Orders: A350 for Munich 789 for Frankfurt Options and extra frames: Leftovers to their partners 343's are done for as soon as they get enough planes in house. Yes, but that will take a few years. Which means, all A343s be be retired on schedule after a full service life of around 23 - 25 years.

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by na
Tue May 11, 2021 3:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LH ordering 5 more A350s and 5 more 787-9
Replies: 283
Views: 58327

Re: LH ordering 5 more A350s and 5 more 787-9

DALCE wrote:
Aren't that the same GEnx engines as the 748's? If so, then there is engine commonality in the fleet anyway.

Not the same, but a close relative.

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by na
Tue May 11, 2021 2:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LH ordering 5 more A350s and 5 more 787-9
Replies: 283
Views: 58327

Re: LH ordering 5 more A350s and 5 more 787-9

LH must have gotten a fantastic deal to accept these GEnx powered white tails as the future fleet beyond this quintet will be Rolls-Royce.

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by na
Tue May 11, 2021 10:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021
Replies: 59
Views: 17011

Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021

ANA is continuously ferrying 777s to Mojave for part-out and scrap. Now a 6th 77W has been sent over the Pacific. These are the 77Ws retired until now: 77W JA731A, ln.488 (wfu 2021 for scrap) 77W JA732A, ln.511 (wfu 2021 for scrap) 77W JA733A, ln.529 (wfu 2020 for scrap) 77W JA734A, ln.557 (wfu 2021...

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by na
Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 747 Supertanker ceasing operations
Replies: 55
Views: 15743

Re: 747 Supertanker ceasing operations

I think that the 747 is one of the fastest modern airliners and the 744 supertanker was the largest supertanker in service? There are a few unsold 747-8is collecting dust, so maybe a -8 variant? Though maybe the development costs are too high... :( The 747 is the fastest airliner. And yes, the Supe...

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by na
Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021
Replies: 96
Views: 17962

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Etihad Airways to stop operating Boeing 777-300ER jets this year: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/etihad-airways-stop-operating-boeing-777-300er-jets-this-year-2021-04-22/ Many, if not most of these 19 77Ws will be finished for good once they leave EYs fleet as there is a huge...

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by na
Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021
Replies: 96
Views: 17962

Re: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/eti ... 19.article

Not surprising. Still sad. EYs livery did look best on the mighty A380.
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ILNFlyer wrote:
Also grounded A-380's indefinitely.
https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/eti ... 19.article

Not surprising. Still sad. EYs livery did look best on the mighty A380.

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by na
Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:34 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which aircraft will replace the Airbus A330-200 at Air France?
Replies: 60
Views: 9873

Re: Which aircraft will replace the Airbus A330-200 at Air France?

I think replacement of the 77E is the next AF priority.

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by na
Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021
Replies: 59
Views: 17011

Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021

skipness1E wrote:
Air Canada old colours? One is to leave the fleet. Might just be white in odd light.

Yes, the light is bad for judging colors. But somehow it appears to be slightly metallic paint. Could it be Virgin Australia? Etihad?

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by na
Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021
Replies: 59
Views: 17011

Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

F-GSPS seems to be the second AF 77E retirement.
Ex Virgin Australia 77W, VH-VOZ, has been sold (or returned to lessor).
And another EK 77W, ex A6-ECP, left Dubai for the US desert.
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https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

F-GSPS seems to be the second AF 77E retirement.
Ex Virgin Australia 77W, VH-VOZ, has been sold (or returned to lessor).
And another EK 77W, ex A6-ECP, left Dubai for the US desert.

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by na
Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021
Replies: 59
Views: 17011

Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021

AerFin, announced the delivery of a Boeing 777-300ER to Tarmac Aerospace in Tarbes, France for dismantling. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cgSDp_KLWXo/YFN3T5hVg4I/AAAAAAAAF98/-FwK8oLFfbcSUuQSjMxoKaIItjuu77SBwCLcBGAsYHQ/s878/Aerfin_B777-300ER.png https://www.aerfin.com/latest/news/aerfin-adds-boeing-777...

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by na
Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1289
Views: 363037

Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

Long live the Queen and Godspeed.
What follows, are Meghans at best;-) Pretty maybe, but boring and with less style.

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by na
Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:47 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 348
Views: 38764

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

And yet somehow seemingly every company that touches Queen Mary ends up bankrupt. What does that tell you? That it needs to be maintained by public funds for a part. Like any very important landmark. Queen Mary is the most significant institution of Long Beach, and over that, unique in the world. Y...

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by na
Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:40 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 348
Views: 38764

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

Seems an MSC cruise ship has gone on fire in Corfu . https://i.ibb.co/K6p3xq2/12163154-47-C6-4209-A917-D38068-EAE2-A6.jpg MS Lirica, 59.000 GRT. Seems to be a very massive fire on the boat deck. However, it is under control now. I wonder if its worth repairing in this climate. Only 17 years old, ye...

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by na
Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:19 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 348
Views: 38764

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

I thought of it the other day. Not surprising in the current climate. Be it as it is, the Queen Mary is the world´s sole survivor of an era. And it significantly contributed to winning WWII by transporting a large part of the US troops to Europe which together with the British liberated France and ...

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by na
Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 157
Views: 48527

Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

What is the reason behind that some 748s do carry a test registration before delivery, others (most) not? For example N626UP did, N625UP didn't.

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by na
Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:21 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 348
Views: 38764

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

The article suggests that the owners were a bit optimistic asking for 10,000,000 Euros. If you compare the tonnage with the number of passengers, the the number of tons per passenger seems to be relatively high. Is Stockholm/Astoria a ship you think is significant enough to preserve as a hotel or m...

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by na
Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:03 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: What colour temperature do you prefer in your home?
Replies: 36
Views: 2302

Re: What colour temperature do you prefer in your home?

colour temperature preference? For me that means if I prefer warmer or cooler tones on furniture and paint, rich colours or a monochromatic atmosphere. In the past I preferred the Bauhaus style, chrome, leather, a lot of white, large windows down to the floor, combined with wooden floors and a few r...

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by na
Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021
Replies: 59
Views: 17011

Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021

Next ANA 77W - JA734A - heading to MHV for the scrappers. Would have thought the ANA frames would be good candidates for the 77WP2F conversion programme. Every retired 77W except the Jet Aw frames could be a candidate for conversion, but the number of retired planes by far exceeds the scale of the ...

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by na
Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021
Replies: 59
Views: 17011

Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021

That AF is retiring some 77Es is not a surprise. That the first one is one of the younger frames must surely be because of an upcoming major maintenance. And I wouldn't wonder if more than just 3 others will follow later this year. I am surprised that BA hasn´t announced yet to retire some of their ...

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by na
Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021
Replies: 59
Views: 17011

Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4
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ANA really means it.
Another 777-381 ferried to Mojave to be turned into coke cans. Or Corona beer cans, who knows?

773 JA757A, ln. 442 (2003, wfu 2021 for scrap)

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

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by na
Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 157
Views: 48527

Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

I also cannot see any sense in this backward filling up of this UPS serial number block, however out of sequence building is more often noticed. UPS ordered 14 747-8F aircraft (second batch) and four 767-300F aircraft in February 2018, see : https://www.boeing.com/commercial/customers/ups/747-8-767...

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by na
Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021
Replies: 59
Views: 17011

Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

77E JA706J, ln.464 (2003, wfu 2021 for scrap)
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Today also a JAL 777 performed its last flight:
https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

77E JA706J, ln.464 (2003, wfu 2021 for scrap)

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by na
Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021
Replies: 59
Views: 17011

Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021

In the Jet Aw. thread there is picture showing another 77W in advanced stages of scrapping.

77W VT-JEX, ln.675 (2007, wfu 2019, scrapped 2020/2021)

What a waste. This one has only seen 11 1/2 years of service with three Airlines, Jet Airways, Gulf Air and Etihad.

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by na
Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020
Replies: 128
Views: 35106

Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

I don’t think ANA is retiring ALL 777s, I believe it is only the domestic 777s as they had announced back in October I believe. Two ANA 77Ws are already parked in a scrapyard. Today two 777s, both late built -281 and 381, thus aircraft employed on domestic runs, have been ferried to the US to meet ...

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by na
Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021
Replies: 59
Views: 17011

Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021

ANA has ferried two more 777s to the US desert for scrapping, making it 4 in 2 weeks:

773 JA756A, ln.440 (2003, wfu 01/2021 for scrap)
772 JA711A, ln.482 (2004, wfu 2020, 01/2021 for scrap)

sources: skyline-aviation and flightaware.

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by na
Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021
Replies: 59
Views: 17011

Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021

... It’s a real shame Boeing themselves can’t develop a BCF conversion program for these B777-300ER’s as this will surely be driving down residual values for the worldwide fleet. A bit of "chiken-and-egg" going on here. Boeing cannot be seen as the first one to develop a conversion progra...

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by na
Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 157
Views: 48527

Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

The serial number for L/N 1563, N626UP has been published in the FAA registry : 65781 See : https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/MMSResult?Statetxt=WA&Mmstxt=13848CK&Countrytxt=US So Boeing is working backwards! Any sense behind this other than confusing the book keepers? N621UP ...

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by na
Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021
Replies: 59
Views: 17011

Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021

ANA is accelerating its 777 fleet reduction schedule. The next one is: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=4 77W JA732A, ln.511 (Wfu 01/2021) 6277849 As this is a 777-300ER, even if an early one from 2005, the information that it will be scrapped needs confirmation. Same goe...

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by na
Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021
Replies: 1680
Views: 244955

Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

https://twitter.com/fl360aero/status/13 ... 0429691910

Fuselage bent and ripped open over the wings on both sides, right there were the strongest structure is. This veteran won't fly anymore.
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Spacepope wrote:
Update on the 734F hard landing: Fuselage crumpled behind the wingbox. Ouch! https://twitter.com/fl360aero/status/13 ... 0429691910

Fuselage bent and ripped open over the wings on both sides, right there were the strongest structure is. This veteran won't fly anymore.

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