The red light on top of the 2nd gen 777s is positioned way more forward compared to the older versions where it was fitted just in front of the forwardmost blade antenna. Btw, when some airlines (like AA, BA or UA) fitted internet radomes to their 77Es this red light was repositioned to the position...Jump to post
Btw, no 747-8 got repainted into the new livery since the Covid-19-crisis started. Seems Boeings paintshop did deliver a better quality than Airbus with the A350 of which the oldest three got the new scheme already despite them being a few years younger than the oldest 748! I’m pretty sure it has g...Jump to post
Btw, no 747-8 got repainted into the new livery since the Covid-19-crisis started. Seems Boeings paintshop did deliver a better quality than Airbus with the A350 of which the oldest three got the new scheme already despite them being a few years younger than the oldest 748!Jump to post
The lhgroupfleet site seems offline.... it was really a good source of information about plane status.... And unique in the world. I guess the detailed information there caused confusion lately with all those rumours about the reintroduction of the 744, A346 etc.. I don't see how it caused confusio...Jump to post
Not sure why you would consider it "fake NEO", as it is just a bit of livery. Look at Air Canada - they have even painted 787s with a racoon mask. Anyway, its pure and simple A330-200s that received their mask as part of the livery. From a German perspective this livery is very significan...Jump to post
hervebkk wrote:The lhgroupfleet site seems offline.... it was really a good source of information about plane status....
Who beside UA (and BA) does operate such a number of old widebodies? DL, AA, BA, AF, LH, KE...should I continue? Not true. As I said, BA is an exception. Only small numbers of subfleets under retirement plans are left elsewhere from mid-90s vintage. AAs 777s are for the most part years younger than...Jump to post
What's going to happen to the PW-powered 777 fleet? With the engine type being troublesome and the subfleet grounded for some time (for the most part at least) and the planes being very much advanced in age for a respectable major airline is there any news if, and when those are being retired for g...Jump to post
What's going to happen to the PW-powered 777 fleet? With the engine type being troublesome and the subfleet grounded for some time (for the most part at least) and the planes being very much advanced in age for a respectable major airline is there any news if, and when those are being retired for go...Jump to post
I have a question about this that I cannot understand. For years it's puzzled me and I stumbled upon this post and this is the only place to ask it. After AA191 was lost at ORD on 25th May 1979, DC-10s were summarily grounded until the FAA deemed they were safe to fly. Why weren't 747s grounded unt...Jump to post
Has the paint job for them been finalized, or is it still up in the air? That's a great question. I have no idea. I hope they do change it. That scheme is so 50’s and 60’s. They need something to make a stronger futuristic statement. Just because it’s got the right colors doesn’t make it right. I d...Jump to post
25 years have gone? I am getting old I am afraid. I still remember the white and red plane shown as the main photo on the front page of my local newspaper here in Germany. It was the time when I spend the first hours in the internet and TWA800 became one of, or perhaps the first big case for conspir...Jump to post
Planes are painted for a few reasons...protection, reflectivity and it smooths out the skin for a bit more speed/efficiency . So far no one had made the silly statement “weight” as the weight of a 3 color paint on a 747 when finally dry only 350-550 lbs. the weight of two and 1/2 American passenger...Jump to post
The old titles were crap. The new titles are crap. The old livery was dated, but distinctive and cheerful. The new one is just cheap. Seems that is the reason for the change, saving money to increase profit. But what is the sense of profit, if not to do nice things with it? Ceterum censeo: Air China...Jump to post
Some ex-ANA machines are heading to the scrappers aswell, and maybe we'll see some ex-Emirates too. The ANA machines are B773s...or are some B77Ws (long-haul) frames being scrapped? The ex-EK ones are likely freighter conversion candidates, and I see NH frames being as well as they're low-cycle fra...Jump to post
keesje wrote:I remember it was called "technical white" originally and choosen because it made dirt from the runways less visible, reducing cleaning frequencies, costs.
Th exact colour is called "Cool Grey". https://blog.klm.com/the-man-behind-the-livery/ Going from here, the belly should still be cool grey on the current drop nose livery! I have to agree with the designer, KLM is a classic, always did look good since they introduced the blue too around ...Jump to post
I have a question about KLMs colors. When a few years ago the livery introduced in 2003 was slightly modified by lowering the "waterline" downwards towards the nose, was the light grey belly paint kept or are belly and engines now painted white? Its hard to judge by photos, however, I thin...Jump to post
3 of the White tails are currently parked up and storedat VCV - LN887 (N1005S) - LN893 (N1003N) - LN913 (N1008S) The other two aircraft, LN905 (N1006F) is parked up at EVE, Speaking with a friend in the know, this is likely to be the first aircraft delivered. LN898 (Not registered) is sitting at CH...Jump to post
Firm Orders: A350 for Munich 789 for Frankfurt Options and extra frames: Leftovers to their partners 343's are done for as soon as they get enough planes in house. Yes, but that will take a few years. Which means, all A343s be be retired on schedule after a full service life of around 23 - 25 years.Jump to post
ANA is continuously ferrying 777s to Mojave for part-out and scrap. Now a 6th 77W has been sent over the Pacific. These are the 77Ws retired until now: 77W JA731A, ln.488 (wfu 2021 for scrap) 77W JA732A, ln.511 (wfu 2021 for scrap) 77W JA733A, ln.529 (wfu 2020 for scrap) 77W JA734A, ln.557 (wfu 2021...Jump to post
I think that the 747 is one of the fastest modern airliners and the 744 supertanker was the largest supertanker in service? There are a few unsold 747-8is collecting dust, so maybe a -8 variant? Though maybe the development costs are too high... :( The 747 is the fastest airliner. And yes, the Supe...Jump to post
Etihad Airways to stop operating Boeing 777-300ER jets this year: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/etihad-airways-stop-operating-boeing-777-300er-jets-this-year-2021-04-22/ Many, if not most of these 19 77Ws will be finished for good once they leave EYs fleet as there is a huge...Jump to post
ILNFlyer wrote:Also grounded A-380's indefinitely.
https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/eti ... 19.article
I think replacement of the 77E is the next AF priority.Jump to post
https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4
F-GSPS seems to be the second AF 77E retirement.
Ex Virgin Australia 77W, VH-VOZ, has been sold (or returned to lessor).
And another EK 77W, ex A6-ECP, left Dubai for the US desert.
AerFin, announced the delivery of a Boeing 777-300ER to Tarmac Aerospace in Tarbes, France for dismantling. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cgSDp_KLWXo/YFN3T5hVg4I/AAAAAAAAF98/-FwK8oLFfbcSUuQSjMxoKaIItjuu77SBwCLcBGAsYHQ/s878/Aerfin_B777-300ER.png https://www.aerfin.com/latest/news/aerfin-adds-boeing-777...Jump to post
And yet somehow seemingly every company that touches Queen Mary ends up bankrupt. What does that tell you? That it needs to be maintained by public funds for a part. Like any very important landmark. Queen Mary is the most significant institution of Long Beach, and over that, unique in the world. Y...Jump to post
Seems an MSC cruise ship has gone on fire in Corfu . https://i.ibb.co/K6p3xq2/12163154-47-C6-4209-A917-D38068-EAE2-A6.jpg MS Lirica, 59.000 GRT. Seems to be a very massive fire on the boat deck. However, it is under control now. I wonder if its worth repairing in this climate. Only 17 years old, ye...Jump to post
I thought of it the other day. Not surprising in the current climate. Be it as it is, the Queen Mary is the world´s sole survivor of an era. And it significantly contributed to winning WWII by transporting a large part of the US troops to Europe which together with the British liberated France and ...Jump to post
The article suggests that the owners were a bit optimistic asking for 10,000,000 Euros. If you compare the tonnage with the number of passengers, the the number of tons per passenger seems to be relatively high. Is Stockholm/Astoria a ship you think is significant enough to preserve as a hotel or m...Jump to post
colour temperature preference? For me that means if I prefer warmer or cooler tones on furniture and paint, rich colours or a monochromatic atmosphere. In the past I preferred the Bauhaus style, chrome, leather, a lot of white, large windows down to the floor, combined with wooden floors and a few r...Jump to post
Next ANA 77W - JA734A - heading to MHV for the scrappers. Would have thought the ANA frames would be good candidates for the 77WP2F conversion programme. Every retired 77W except the Jet Aw frames could be a candidate for conversion, but the number of retired planes by far exceeds the scale of the ...Jump to post
That AF is retiring some 77Es is not a surprise. That the first one is one of the younger frames must surely be because of an upcoming major maintenance. And I wouldn't wonder if more than just 3 others will follow later this year. I am surprised that BA hasn´t announced yet to retire some of their ...Jump to post
ANA really means it.
Another 777-381 ferried to Mojave to be turned into coke cans. Or Corona beer cans, who knows?
773 JA757A, ln. 442 (2003, wfu 2021 for scrap)
https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4
I also cannot see any sense in this backward filling up of this UPS serial number block, however out of sequence building is more often noticed. UPS ordered 14 747-8F aircraft (second batch) and four 767-300F aircraft in February 2018, see : https://www.boeing.com/commercial/customers/ups/747-8-767...Jump to post
Today also a JAL 777 performed its last flight:
https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4
77E JA706J, ln.464 (2003, wfu 2021 for scrap)
In the Jet Aw. thread there is picture showing another 77W in advanced stages of scrapping.
77W VT-JEX, ln.675 (2007, wfu 2019, scrapped 2020/2021)
What a waste. This one has only seen 11 1/2 years of service with three Airlines, Jet Airways, Gulf Air and Etihad.
I don’t think ANA is retiring ALL 777s, I believe it is only the domestic 777s as they had announced back in October I believe. Two ANA 77Ws are already parked in a scrapyard. Today two 777s, both late built -281 and 381, thus aircraft employed on domestic runs, have been ferried to the US to meet ...Jump to post
... It’s a real shame Boeing themselves can’t develop a BCF conversion program for these B777-300ER’s as this will surely be driving down residual values for the worldwide fleet. A bit of "chiken-and-egg" going on here. Boeing cannot be seen as the first one to develop a conversion progra...Jump to post
The serial number for L/N 1563, N626UP has been published in the FAA registry : 65781 See : https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/MMSResult?Statetxt=WA&Mmstxt=13848CK&Countrytxt=US So Boeing is working backwards! Any sense behind this other than confusing the book keepers? N621UP ...Jump to post
ANA is accelerating its 777 fleet reduction schedule. The next one is: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=4 77W JA732A, ln.511 (Wfu 01/2021) 6277849 As this is a 777-300ER, even if an early one from 2005, the information that it will be scrapped needs confirmation. Same goe...Jump to post
Spacepope wrote:Update on the 734F hard landing: Fuselage crumpled behind the wingbox. Ouch! https://twitter.com/fl360aero/status/13 ... 0429691910