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Acey

Re: Porter Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Are Porter selling all 132 seats on Toronto - San Francisco or do they have to weight restrict somewhat? The flight is 5hrs20mins, quite impressive. Unrestricted. My guess is that YUL-SFO on some days might have to take a small hit if winds aloft are strong and/or a cloud rolls over SFO and throws ...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

In your life have you heard an airline CEO say his airline sucks and you should probably book someone else?

What a feral statement to make to the media.

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Acey

Re: Air Canada News and Discussion - 2024

YYZ-AKL is almost 200 nm shorter than from JFK.

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Acey

Re: WestJet News and Discussion - 2024

Could be any of
- Crew scheduling
- Market data suggesting the westbound connecting onto the 2300 bank actually nets more revenue
- YYC staffing issues for yet another redeye

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Acey

Re: A220 in Europe’s Airlines strategy

Babyshark wrote:
Acey wrote:
Babyshark wrote:

DOC ASM

Does a 321ceo have lower costs per seat than a 223?

Yes

AC's don't. They must not have the good ones.

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Acey

Re: A220 in Europe’s Airlines strategy

Babyshark wrote:
Acey wrote:
Babyshark wrote:
The 321ceo is still better than the 223

By what metric?

DOC ASM

Does a 321ceo have lower costs per seat than a 223?

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Acey

Re: WestJet News and Discussion - 2024

WS can fill a 787 on YYC-LGW. They did it last summer and it was full. Daily. In addition to daily LHR. They pulled it to run daily NRT and launch ICN.

There is clear and absolute utility for additional frames.

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Acey

Re: WestJet News and Discussion - 2024

Despite the proximity to YYC the YEG O&D remains higher, the probability remains higher of filling a 320-seat airplane with a front J cabin, and there are more onward cnx as WS could potentially be seeking to offload some of the heavy lifting that YYC has to do. The circumstances are different n...

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Acey

Re: A220 in Europe’s Airlines strategy

Babyshark wrote:
The 321ceo is still better than the 223

By what metric?

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Acey

Re: WestJet News and Discussion - 2024

The 70 seat jet has been the hole in the WS network. The hole is becoming even bigger than this. As 737-700 frames retire, it's 7M8 and ~212-seat MAX 10's coming on line to replace them. The originally ordered 7M7 have all allegedly been converted to 7M8. There's obviously commnality and a host of ...

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Acey

Re: WestJet News and Discussion - 2024

In the event that they either pulled a YYC frame or acquired more, I'd have to think a return to transatlantic from YVR would be first on the list followed by YEG-LGW... before they even considered YWG. If the KEF launch goes well, it does make me think about a potential partnership with FI in the f...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

I mean the article isn't saying anything that we haven't seen written in various forms over the last year. If you are a consumer and you book Flair at this point, you know the risk. I don't think an article like this necessarily adds any fuel to the already raging inferno.

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Acey

Re: WestJet News and Discussion - 2024

No way in 2024 are people taking an article from "Cranky Flier" seriously on April 1st WestJet Encore pilots had a strike authorization vote, which passed by 97%. Company can lockout / pilots can strike as of April 17th. A third of the fleet already doesn't fly because there's nobody to fl...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Debating the specifics of the timeline for all these failures seems like a diversion from the main point that airlines in this country have a tough time simply surviving, by any objective measure.

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Unless the gross on that day they came back was 4x a normal average day, i.e. all three days they were down plus a normal day, then there's nothing to brag about and they lost sales to other airlines who had functioning websites at the time people tried to book. Bragging about making people wait thr...

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Acey

Re: Canadian Airports & Smaller Canadian Air Carriers - 2024

CrewBunk wrote:
YYZ-BDA-ANU-BGI-POS and YUL-BDA-ANU-BGI-POS

These would be such fun runs as a pax on modern equipment, IMO... ending in my home city.

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Yeah it's a "we'll pay you more as compensation for being the laughing stock of the North American aviation industry" type of raise.

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Again, some tiny amount of credit is due for the fact that he's at least trying to maintain the narrative whereas Lynx's CEO ran back home with her tail between her legs and they said absolutely zilch about their state of affairs until D-Day.

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Yes. Same for Canada’s AIF. Done for a reason, no matter how some may think it’s dumb. Question your government. Well airport infrastructure is funded by the airport improvement fee. Last time I was in JFK they had water leaking from the ceiling in of the piers. I'm fine with airport improvement fe...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Lynx was in arrears with the CRA for $25M and had a payment plan in place in exactly the same fashion as Flair, for what it's worth..."duties" on imported 7M8. That money was a relative drop in the bucket compared to their overall debt so it wasn't much discussed.

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

As I posted in the Lynx thread a few mins ago, if Flair can find the financing to acquire the Lynx tails (or not) will be a pretty strong tell of the mood of their financiers to inject more money or not. I suspect the mid-april return to court for Lynx after their SISP may give us more intel on Fla...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

As I posted in the Lynx thread a few mins ago, if Flair can find the financing to acquire the Lynx tails (or not) will be a pretty strong tell of the mood of their financiers to inject more money or not. I suspect the mid-april return to court for Lynx after their SISP may give us more intel on Fla...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Flair survived the fall, but will they be able to survive on a ventilator remains to be seen. I did a cheap $39 booking and the payment went through.... I thought there was a 24hr grace period to cancel but now I cant... (good thing its the cheap fare) My man really gave 40 bucks to this disgrace o...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

If I show up to YYC tomorrow with a 10lb bag of potatoes would that be enough to trade for a flight to YVR? Can you just leave them at the podium? I'll come grab them later and make some Flair fries tomorrow afternoon. The gate agents should just take e-transfers to their personal accounts for bag ...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Yeah bag fees at the airport are simply being waived because they have no way to accept payment. Bookings can be made over the phone and they're giving people 6 days to pay in some instances, as they again have no way to accept payment. It's comical at this point. Does sound like they aren't taking ...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Lol. Not that non-enthusiasts will be here, but I don’t think the public has much of a handle on a ‘good fare’ versus a fire sale. Self delusion won’t lead to healthy competition… The general public thinks $39 is the appropriate fare and WS at $149 is a massive ripoff, the same general public is al...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Nah, brother. I refuse to believe F8 is not profitable when they net 6 bucks on a fare to fly 400 nm. That's got 40 years of profitability written all over it.

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

"No company wants to handle our payments so we'll just do it ourselves, thank you very much." - Flair 2024 When the plan gets nuked, Jones will say the government simply doesn't want affordable airfares for Canadians. Y'all already know those are the only words capable of coming out of his...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

yhu wrote:
I wonder what’s happening at airports...

Raised voices and confusion at the YYC podiums and check-in counters...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldTicket

Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

I imagine their bookings around the time the planes were seized probably fell close to zero? No shot. Remember how clear Jones was in making statements that the repossessions were predatory and that F8 wasn't actually in arrears? If you're booking F8 you're already playing roulette with your money ...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

wjv04 wrote:
Did someone just compare F8 to WN?

Yikes.

You mean Flair's 20 frame clown car can't be compared to WN's 800+ frames and 40 years of profitability?

Jfermeee wrote:
The point is that $10M is not a lot of money

it is when you're already broke as shit

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

If this is true, how long before other airports start doing the same? Probably not long, but as long as they pull from their seemingly infinite cash bank to pay said service and continue to accrue debt, this alone won't be a huge factor. Lynx owed the Calgary deicers $300k for example, I have to im...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Rumour I'm hearing is that Flair has lost a long-term contract at YVR and is now required to pay for that service up front, this does not necessarily mean they defaulted but is the exact sequence that played out several days before the Y9 collapse. I can't actually confirm this but it's not particul...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

In the immediate short term, a Flair collapse will be a significant number of ASM's that AC/WS/WG/PD/TS cannot fill, so it would be a chaotic couple of weeks. Let's not get ahead of ourselves though and see what happens with the website today and what nonsensical PR statement they want to make to ab...

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Acey

Re: WestJet News and Discussion - 2024

cfcra747 wrote:
I guess it's just maintenance then?

All new livery mainline repaints have been done at VQQ in Jacksonville so far, pretty safe bet that if they're going there they're coming back with paint; you can see FWIJ is there now and the crew brought back FBWI in the new livery.

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

When Flair inevitably goes bankrupt, wonder if they’ll try to restructure and save it or if they’ll just close it all up as lynx did. Honestly I’d rather they just go. That gives Porter a better chance of surviving and they’ve got a better product. It will also give Flair’s employees a chance at a ...

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Acey

Re: WestJet News and Discussion - 2024

cfcra747 wrote:
I'm guessing Tail 810 C-GWSV is in repaint. It flew to Windsor on the 16th as WS 8960 and has stayed there since. At least according to flightradar24 it's hasn't flown since.

It will be done late spring/early summer, as earlier advertised and publicly confirmed by the airline, which is rare.

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Lilj4425 wrote:
Pretty obvious this airline is going under just like Lynx Air. They’ll be gone by next weekend.

We'll check back in with ya on Saturday.

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Not familiar with the way the current F8 schedule is configured. There seem to be a number of cancellations on the domestic side today/tonight (YYZ-YVR, YYZ-YYC, YYZ-YEG) - not sure if these were scheduled to operate or are they among the flights that have been "cancelled" long-term. Just...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

For what it's worth, I'm not aware of any ground services at any Canadian airport for which in recent days Flair has been required to pay in advance where they previously were not, no long term contracts have been cancelled, and it's business as usual. Mostly unbeknownst to the public until the affi...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

I asked the person who is essentially the station manager here at YYC if they knew how long the site would be down.

"Which site?"
"Your main site."
"It's down?"
"Yeah, most people can't make bookings at all."
"Oh, we didn't even know."

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

I see this more as just par for the course for Flair in terms of absolute incompetence with communicating an IT issue as opposed to them literally not wanting to accept bookings due to being on imminent verge of collapse or something such.

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

After working fine all day, flyflair.com is finally giving me the aforementioned wonky behaviour.

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Boooking is working fine for me on flyflair.com Well enough to see the $122 one-way fares on YVR-CUN, a 2,400 nm sector. $108 of that goes to taxes (YVR AIF, ATSC, tourism tax) and $14 goes to Flair. I can see the fares but if I try to go further I get a sorry for the inconvenience service interrup...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Boooking is working fine for me on flyflair.com

Well enough to see the $122 one-way fares on YVR-CUN, a 2,400 nm sector. $108 of that goes to taxes (YVR AIF, ATSC, tourism tax) and $14 goes to Flair.

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

AC and WS are not in a position to immediately absorb every F8 pilot. -777 partner is not in good financial shape, poor balance sheet, marginal operating performance, very limited business profile and weak enterprise risk management. Not to mention the multiple legal issues and all allegations again...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

It kind of sounds like “we could be more profitable if only we didn’t need to land the darn planes” lol Flair's policy up to this point has been, "we're not broke until we say we're broke, until then we are here providing affordable airfare to Canadians." At least Jones will stick it out ...

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Acey

Re: Flair Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

It's like I used to say about Sunwing..... they say they will get you there on Tuesday, just not which Tuesday. This is the first winter in quite a while where Sunwing has not been the ones experiening horrendous delays on sun flying out of Calgary, their sked has actually been decent. They finally...

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Acey

Re: Porter Airlines Fleet and Network - 2024

Acey, you've repeatedly missed my point. I didn't say that Embraer should have widened the E2's fuselage, I was discussing the choices Embraer faced in the 1990s when developing the original E-Jet. 5 abreast would've given them a platform that could comfortably stretch up to 150 seats but, as other...

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