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by SFOtoORD
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 165
Views: 27874

Re: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

If GE invested so much in the GE9x there would pressure to get significant ROI and the 777X program, as it looks now, won't offer that. Probably they will go for a GENX upgrade using new technology, to become available around 2025, like the geared Ultrafan. Can you explain the logic of your post or...

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by SFOtoORD
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 165
Views: 27874

Re: 777X First Flight Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

I like how people who don't understand the internals of an engine mock me. Everything I listed is a generation ahead. Everything presents risk being a generation ahead. That means the first flight delay when risk is realized. Lightsaber That's not mocking. He wasn't mocking you, he was reasonably p...

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by SFOtoORD
Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 388
Views: 113313

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

If you change flight software, regression testing is required. It is how I spent today. Lightsaber Well, if it was just that, would the Boeing CFO call it “challenges that require re-testing?” But I kinda see your point, the GE9X testing campaign should be all wrapped up by now. Regression testing ...

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by SFOtoORD
Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RUMOR: American to order A321LR
Replies: 170
Views: 28283

Re: RUMOR: American to order A321LR

Ziyulu wrote:
Do you know the size of the lavatories on this plane?


They’ll probably be the launch customer for a new ultra small lav that gets you an extra row of seats if you pair it with a 26” economy pitch.

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by SFOtoORD
Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RUMOR: American to order A321LR
Replies: 170
Views: 28283

Re: RUMOR: American to order A321LR

Makes a lot of sense. Anyone who does TATL with 757s needs it unless they’re giving up on tatl nb flights.

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by SFOtoORD
Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LAX moves forward with plans for Terminal 0 and 9
Replies: 202
Views: 33538

Re: LAX moves forward with plans for Terminal 0 and 9

ONT is a practical reliever/second airport for the region should LAX near capacity. ....said NO ONE from Los Angeles, West Hollywood, Beverly Hills, Glendale, Encino, Calabasas, Malibu, Santa Monica, Thousand Oaks-- and really anywhere outside of the San Gabriel valley. Dude calm down. I’m not sure...

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by SFOtoORD
Sun May 26, 2019 3:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Does UA need some premium heavy configuration aircrafts?
Replies: 33
Views: 3917

Re: Does UA need some premium heavy configuration aircrafts?

mattnrsa wrote:
Aren’t UA international planes already more premium-heavy than the ones flown by AA and DL?


They are relatively premium heavy, but they also have the largest widebody fleet so likely the most total premium seats.

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by SFOtoORD
Sat May 25, 2019 11:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO
Replies: 453
Views: 42107

Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Whether it was successful as an aircraft program is something that is debatable. Obviously, today we are sure the past VLA forecast issued by Airbus was not right. Unless you include 777-9 in the VLA league. Even then, 1200 777-9 deliveries in the next 20 years sounds way too optimistic. Its succes...

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by SFOtoORD
Sat May 25, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3017
Views: 298868

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

https://www.wsj.com/articles/maxs-return-to-flight-delayed-by-faas-reevaluation-of-safety-procedures-for-older-737-models-11558728091?mod=breakingnews :shock: Subtitle for this should be "Grandfathering bites back". As I understand, due to Boeing insistence on the fact that there is no ma...

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by SFOtoORD
Thu May 23, 2019 3:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO
Replies: 453
Views: 42107

Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Imagine if Airbus had used 30B to develop a different plane ( a successful one). Airbus WAS slowed down .. they would have a better product line if they had not spent the money on the A380. But they didn’t and they are quite successful right now. Even with hindsight I’m not sure you can easily say ...

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by SFOtoORD
Thu May 23, 2019 3:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO
Replies: 453
Views: 42107

Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

I was really hoping we could have another thread to relitigate this topic. :roll: Pretty much everything worth saying on this topic has been said and no one here is changing their mind at this point. It was a big airplane, some airlines liked, some didn’t like it as much, it never reached the level...

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by SFOtoORD
Thu May 23, 2019 2:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO
Replies: 453
Views: 42107

Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

I was really hoping we could have another thread to relitigate this topic. :roll: Pretty much everything worth saying on this topic has been said and no one here is changing their mind at this point. It was a big airplane, some airlines liked, some didn’t like it as much, it never reached the level ...

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by SFOtoORD
Sun May 19, 2019 7:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: AS trying to get B6
Replies: 302
Views: 41166

Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

lavalampluva wrote:
I don’t know where AS would get the $$$. I’d think the Virgin purchase drained the cash reserves.


You don’t make an acquisition this size with cash in the bank. There are many ways they could fund the purchase including issuing debt backed by the asset they are purchasing or issuing more shares.

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by SFOtoORD
Mon May 13, 2019 3:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN announces service to ITO
Replies: 93
Views: 13552

Re: WN announces service to ITO

I met him several times. Not sure why the SWA fanboys all come to his defense here...but that's nothing new Just stating facts. If you don't like them, that's fine, too The “facts” are that he is “weird” and “butt hurt”? Thanks for bringing so much reality to this thread on inter island service to ...

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by SFOtoORD
Fri May 10, 2019 3:01 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Is Delta truly a one hub airline?
Replies: 71
Views: 10101

Re: Is Delta truly a one hub airline.

This thread is fake news. ATL is kind of the one super hub to rule them all, but it doesn’t make DL a one hub airline.

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by SFOtoORD
Tue May 07, 2019 7:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 1313
Views: 243532

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Possibly soon, two of the A319s slated for UA have not flown in about a month. It's possible they are in for heavy maintenance work but they are also very likely in for exit work. That said, UA alrady has 5 A319s at GYR that it needs to induct and do modification work on so there likely isn't capac...

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by SFOtoORD
Tue May 07, 2019 7:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1311
Views: 223228

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

Aside from all the A v B stuff, this is a capital investment and the decision may hinge on the financial terms on offer. QF will be looking at which option gives it the best return on the capital that is invested. We will never know what prices and what other inducements are being offered and these...

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by SFOtoORD
Tue May 07, 2019 4:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 1313
Views: 243532

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Any idea when the next China southern airbus is coming over for Ua? Possibly soon, two of the A319s slated for UA have not flown in about a month. It's possible they are in for heavy maintenance work but they are also very likely in for exit work. That said, UA alrady has 5 A319s at GYR that it nee...

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by SFOtoORD
Tue May 07, 2019 1:17 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: 44% say wont take MAX for a year?
Replies: 96
Views: 7712

Re: 44% say wont take MAX for a year?

None of this data is actually useful until the grounding orders are lifted across the globe. Some will certainly have strong feelings for the long term, but others will likely forget or not care.

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by SFOtoORD
Sat May 04, 2019 5:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 1313
Views: 243532

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Anyone know what the next couple planes to be painted in the new livery are?

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by SFOtoORD
Fri May 03, 2019 8:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing NMA planning - Will Airbus just sitting on their hands?
Replies: 91
Views: 14053

Re: MAX impact on Boeing NMA planning, Airbus just sitting on their hands?

Perhaps this thread could be combined with the existing 797 thread? My apologies for asking a question that is already covered in the other thread https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411903 This thread has a question mark in the title and some random pictures which make it diff...

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by SFOtoORD
Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN looking at A220
Replies: 280
Views: 44019

Re: WN looking at A220

My gut says they wouldn’t do this after they walked away from the 717s previously. However, just like a happy employee can get an interview from another company they think they won’t take and end up taking it, any time any airline evaluates a plane there is a chance it becomes appealing. So I would ...

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by SFOtoORD
Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1773
Views: 351153

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

I'm expecting a letdown on this one. For one, I'm starting to believe that the livery may not change that much overall. And second, I'm starting to think that the changes will be somewhat negative and will be worse than the current one. Fingers crossed that I am wrong, though. There’s been a decade...

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by SFOtoORD
Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 1313
Views: 243532

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

I have to go to SIN & PVG and will definitely NOT be flying UA because of the OLD config. I can't believe in this day and age UA's 787's don't have a 1-2-1 Polaris config yet! I mean even China Eastern has a 1-2-1 on their B77W! What's the ETA on the 787 Polaris roll-out? They should have done ...

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by SFOtoORD
Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787-10 Missions in the transpacific market
Replies: 50
Views: 12225

Re: Boeing 787-10 Missions in the transpacific market

This plane probably can get most used from the West Coast to North Asia in much the way Delta uses 763s and A330s our of SEA. Might be useful for a couple carriers.

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by SFOtoORD
Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 709613

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

Having experience in working at global corporations social media department, I can assure you they do. Heck, some of a.net members may even be on their payroll, for sure. Where does the conspiracy end? How do you know Boeing doesn’t secretly own Airliners.net via a secret subsidiary? Maybe some of ...

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by SFOtoORD
Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 709613

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

Having experience in working at global corporations social media department, I can assure you they do. Heck, some of a.net members may even be on their payroll, for sure. Where does the conspiracy end? How do you know Boeing doesn’t secretly own Airliners.net via a secret subsidiary? Maybe some of ...

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by SFOtoORD
Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 709613

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

One of the worst things I've read in recent weeks is that Boeing have paid for adwords to get their own statements about safety above the other Boeing stories on the internet about the plane Nothing should shock me any more about what goes on behind the scenes. But the above really upsets me. It's ...

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by SFOtoORD
Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LAX moves forward with plans for Terminal 0 and 9
Replies: 202
Views: 33538

Re: LAX moves forward with plans for Terminal 0 and 9

UPlog wrote:
United sure messed up by vacating its 4 former CO gates in T-6 directly to AA.


It’s easier for Kirby to pontificate about what could have been at LAX from a smaller more profitable LAX than at an overserved, unprofitable LAX.

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kipfilet wrote:


This is helpful too. Looks like the tail in the United Tweet is the old one.

https://twitter.com/s4hockey4/status/11 ... 1759224833

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by SFOtoORD
Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest pilots question all-Boeing fleet
Replies: 145
Views: 19450

Re: Southwest pilots question all-Boeing fleet

Master threads for major topics that are sticky would help. As for this, I’m sure the pilots union has something to say and I’m also sure WN has listened seriously to many other aircraft proposals and I’m also sure one day they execute one. People and news media will act shocked because it really is...

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by SFOtoORD
Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dr Dao, Dragged Off UA Flight Bloodied, Speaks Publicly for 1st Time
Replies: 59
Views: 5207

Re: Dr Dao, Dragged Off UA Flight Bloodied, Speaks Publicly for 1st Time

And to think all of this could have been avoided if he just followed a simple request to exit the aircraft. That he didn’t acquiesce was the lynchpin to this whole debacle. ILL And yet he suffered both the consequences in terms of injury and the upside that he’s now likely quite wealthy. And United...

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by SFOtoORD
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: US DOT awards Haneda slots
Replies: 760
Views: 129437

Re: US-Japan agree on additional Haneda slots; DOT to allocate

RWA, my recollection of HA’s slot awards are very similar to your statements. As a matter of fact, I seem to recall some, if not all of the “US3” carriers mentioning that exact argument in their statements to the DOT. It was well known that primary POS was going to be in Japan. Nevertheless HA was ...

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by SFOtoORD
Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: US DOT awards Haneda slots
Replies: 760
Views: 129437

Re: US-Japan agree on additional Haneda slots; DOT to allocate

RWA, my recollection of HA’s slot awards are very similar to your statements. As a matter of fact, I seem to recall some, if not all of the “US3” carriers mentioning that exact argument in their statements to the DOT. It was well known that primary POS was going to be in Japan. Nevertheless HA was ...

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by SFOtoORD
Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LAX moves forward with plans for Terminal 0 and 9
Replies: 202
Views: 33538

Re: LAX moves forward with plans for Terminal 0 and 9

So both AA and Dl cannot be too happy that WN and UA are getting 11 and 12 gates added to their existing ones. Now that this is out, I would imagine that both will be complaining they are geographically restricted from additional expansion and need more gates to compete. 3...2....1 WN and UA are no...

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by SFOtoORD
Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Has grandfathering been taken too far?
Replies: 361
Views: 13265

Re: Boeing 777-8/-9 Grandfathering Certification, 777X or 7X7?

In my opinion it would help if people support clear responsibilities and flight safety standards Where are the people who don’t support clear responsibilities and flight safety standards. This line of attack is 100% strawman? There have been several people here to factually point out areas where th...

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by SFOtoORD
Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 1313
Views: 243532

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

For this Pratt-powered 77Es, is this their third cabin? The barcalounger cabins they were delivered with, the IPTE cabins they were retrofitted to in the 2000s, and the Polaris cabins now? Fourth cabin. Delivery cabin, then First class lie-flat and business bigger recline, then IPTE and now Polaris...

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by SFOtoORD
Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thoughts on Southwest’s reliance one one fleet type?
Replies: 71
Views: 7668

Re: Thoughts on Southwest’s reliance one one fleet type?

They’re arguably the most successful airline in aviation history particularly in terms of profitability so it’s hard to second guess the strategy.

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khinstorff wrote:
The creator of this video states that the livery will debut on a new delivery instead of an aircraft that’s currently in the fleet. Would love to know which source he’s citing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF82Nwf9D1w


If correct then it would be a 77W or 78X.

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by SFOtoORD
Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 709613

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

AFAIK we don't know this to be fact, beyond what was published in the Seattle Times, which was based on interviews with unnamed sources. We don't know if some or any or all of this part of the story is true. If it were untrue, I would have expected a fairly vigorous denial from Boeing since it pain...

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by SFOtoORD
Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Airshow 2019, Will Airbus move? A321XLR, A322 launching customers..
Replies: 80
Views: 16908

Re: Paris Airshow 2019, Will Airbus move? A321XLR, A322 launching customers..

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1409905

Better to keep the discussion together than spawn lots of disconnected and repetitive discussions.
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I’m not clear why this is a new thread vs this one?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1409905

Better to keep the discussion together than spawn lots of disconnected and repetitive discussions.

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by SFOtoORD
Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 1313
Views: 243532

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

KVH68 wrote:
United N27515, Max 9, flew from New Iberia (ARA) to Seattle (BFI) on March 27


Hmm. Cheap parking or maybe there to test the software patch when it’s ready?

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by SFOtoORD
Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Icelandair will not return to CLE, blames MAX8
Replies: 108
Views: 15669

Re: Icelandair will not return to CLE, blames MAX8

So the MAX8 grounding was good for their business model given how much money they’re losing on many of these routes.

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by SFOtoORD
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LH to order 100 B737MAX or A320NEO next year
Replies: 211
Views: 35053

Re: LH to order 100 B737MAX or A320NEO next year

If LH does indeed order the MAX, you have to believe the terms must favor LH heavily. It'll be a huge PR boost for Boeing and the MAX right now. Agree. LH gets to see if Boeing offers terms too good to refuse for the PR. And even if they don’t they can at least try to use the Boeing offer to get be...

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by SFOtoORD
Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 3/24/2019:UA Cuts ORD-TUS,IAH-LEX/CRW/CAE;EW Adds LAS;DL Drops YYJ
Replies: 96
Views: 13735

Re: OAG Changes 3/24/2019:UA Cuts ORD-TUS,IAH-LEX/CRW/CAE;EW Adds LAS;DL Drops YYJ

What a joke, eh? Not a way to build a hub. Build a hub? They’re both 500 flight/day hubs. Pretty sure some marginal cuts from ORD to the southwest and IAH to the Midwest/Southeast has close to zero impact on building those airports. Well tell Scott Kirby, he's the one talking about strengthening mi...

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by SFOtoORD
Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s
Replies: 135
Views: 21582

Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

NearMiss wrote:
Surprised to see new A319s on the mix.


Perhaps for Tibet flights?

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by SFOtoORD
Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 3/24/2019:UA Cuts ORD-TUS,IAH-LEX/CRW/CAE;EW Adds LAS;DL Drops YYJ
Replies: 96
Views: 13735

Re: OAG Changes 3/24/2019:UA Cuts ORD-TUS,IAH-LEX/CRW/CAE;EW Adds LAS;DL Drops YYJ

UA drops ORD-YOW/TUS/JAN and IAH-CRW/CAE/LEX. Beginning to wonder if all that talk about beefing up the domestic hubs only applies to DEN. What a joke, eh? Not a way to build a hub. Build a hub? They’re both 500 flight/day hubs. Pretty sure some marginal cuts from ORD to the southwest and IAH to th...

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by SFOtoORD
Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Boeing committing economic suicide by opening China aircraft plants
Replies: 28
Views: 4066

Re: Airbus and Boeing committing economic suicide by opening China aircraft plants

One should also note that China is promising both companies huge sales for opening these completion centers. To say no would mean that the company saying no would loose out massively over the next 15-20 years. Please detail if you will where China will source planes over the next 20 years if not fr...

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by SFOtoORD
Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.
Replies: 226
Views: 47590

Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Current top Boeing analysts estimate anywhere from 9mo to a year before The MAX8/9 is expected to be back in the air once the findings and fix is planned. Long slow road ahead for WN. Unlike it's competition it doesn't have a Regional partner is can swap fly routes around to cover idle aircraft. Ot...

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by SFOtoORD
Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Boeing committing economic suicide by opening China aircraft plants
Replies: 28
Views: 4066

Re: Airbus and Boeing committing economic suicide by opening China aircraft plants

But beside that, you can bet that China is the worlds no. 2 country (behind the USA) regarding industrial espionage and they know how to find out most of the stuff themselves. China is the #2 country in industrial espionage? They are the undisputed leader particularly with state sponsored industria...

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