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by SJOtoLIR
Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Further cuts at Avianca
Replies: 30
Views: 4955

Re: Further cuts at Avianca

aemoreira1981 wrote:
made the Boeing 787-9 unneeded at Avianca (based on where the two A330-300s have been deployed---BOG-JFK),

I understood that the AV Boeing 787 has been extremely profitable in their European routes, especially in [Bogota - Madrid] and [Bogota - London Heathrow].

Regards.

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by SJOtoLIR
Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Further cuts at Avianca
Replies: 30
Views: 4955

Re: Further cuts at Avianca

Do they need a closer relationship with UA? AV-UA have a decent code-share cooperation between themselves. The former TA even had a close commercial relationship with UA, prior to the UA-CO merger I think the problem could have been focused in the fierce competition offered in their most important ...

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by SJOtoLIR
Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Further cuts at Avianca
Replies: 30
Views: 4955

Re: Further cuts at Avianca

It baffles me how AV management never tried a hub similar to BOG in SJO The former TACA had a double-hub in Central America: San Salvador and San José. The status of SJO as hub disappeared once the merger AV-TA came into fruition in 2013. Technically, this double-hub wasn’t a smart idea. For exampl...

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by SJOtoLIR
Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Further cuts at Avianca
Replies: 30
Views: 4955

Re: Further cuts at Avianca

The last Embraer 190 involved on Avianca just did the last flight in July 2019. This era occurred from 2008 till 2019. The process comprises the withdrawal of many unprofitable routes, the end of the domestic flights within Peru, besides Cuzco, no more Sansa - Costa Rica, the sale of almost 40 plane...

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by SJOtoLIR
Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

UA usually switches the plane coming from EWR to IAH and vice versa, in those Central American cities that experience the dual service towards both Houston and New York/Newark.

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by SJOtoLIR
Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Just wondering if you think they could make a route like MSY-SAP work Maybe it’s too late for launching MSY-Central America flights on NK. The former CO flew steadily MSY-IAH and then IAH-SAP on a daily basis since many years ago. This segment is being operated by UA nowadays, of course. Even the f...

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by SJOtoLIR
Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Having understood that CM PTY-DAV 14x weekly is focusing its market basically on healthy connections through PTY, the O&D market between Panama City and David is being attended on 5C PAC-DAV instead. It would be interesting to know where the most CM passengers touching DAV are coming from: Miami...

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by SJOtoLIR
Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

One more point: as some people on the Twitter board wrote, David should sustain non-stop flights to selected cities in Colombia and based purely on the O&D traffic. Based on the behavior of Wingo at BLB, perhaps DAV might follow the same pattern. The US mainline carriers could have been watching...

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by SJOtoLIR
Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

neither CM nor AV are interested in DAV-SJO, at least for now. As far as I know, Air Panama is not flying anymore the PAC-DAV-SJO route as thrice a week with turbo-prop equipment, meaning a 50-seater plane. Ten years ago, TACA REGIONAL tried unsuccessfully to launch the SJO-DAV sector with ATR-42. ...

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by SJOtoLIR
Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

LRC315 wrote:
Iberia has scheduled their A346 to operate the route MAD-SJO from December 13th to December 17th and will use their A350-900 from December 18th 2019 until March 28th 2020.

Proposed schedule:

IB 6317 MAD 11.35..15.35 SJO........Daily..359
IB 6314 SJO 17.15....10.25+1 MAD..Daily...359

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by SJOtoLIR
Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Won’t this the first 350 in Central America as scheduled flights ?

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by SJOtoLIR
Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Kilgen wrote:
CM started Paramaribo, Suriname. 2 fx per week.

From July 07th, Copa Airlines is operating in all the mainland countries in America, disregarding some Caribbean islands.
I don't think Pan Am could have held such status.

Regards.

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by SJOtoLIR
Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

skybird77 wrote:
Is this service seasonal?

Yes, both services are available only in the US summer break:

AA DFW-SAP 4x weekly, 319. Discontinued on August 17th
AA DFW-TGU 3x weekly, 319. Discontinued on August 20th.

The US DoT will release the load factor of such flights up to six months later.

Regards.

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by SJOtoLIR
Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

American Airlines released new Central American routes for the Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft, depending if the authorities definitely resume the operations of such 737 variant.
 Miami - Guatemala City.  Effective:  September 04 - October 02;  7x weekly
 Miami - Managua.  Effective:  September 04 - Octob...

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by SJOtoLIR
Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Wingo will resume their operations in Costa Rica as BOG-SJO 2x weekly.
Effective: September 03.


Proposed schedule:
P5 7084…BOG 06.30…07.45 SJO…737….Fr

P5 7084…BOG 15.03….16.18 SJO…737….Tu



P5 7085…SJO 08.30…11.40 BOG…737…Fr

P5 7085…SJO 17.18….20.28 BOG…737…Fr
Effective:  September 03
 

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by SJOtoLIR
Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Adds JFK-MBJ/SJO/LIR, PHX-CID/ICT/MSY + Caribbean Extensions/Increases
Replies: 73
Views: 9110

Re: AA Adds JFK-MBJ/SJO/LIR, PHX-CID/ICT/MSY + Caribbean Extensions/Increases

I would give a year before JFK-MBJ/SJO/LIR get canceled. Now there are 4 airlines on JFK-SJO and AA no longer has US point of sale. B6 1793...JFK 18.25....22.50 SJO......Tu, Fr, Su...….320 B6 1784...SJO 23.59...06.09+1 JFK...Tu, Fr, Su...….320 Effective: November 01st 2019. The northbound sector on...

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by SJOtoLIR
Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

What is amazing is B6 is willing to go up against a daily AA SJO flight from JFK. B6 JFK-SJO 3x weekly is a response for AA JFK-SJO 7x weekly. JetBlue already flies B6 JFK-LIR 4x weekly and they would increase their services in Costa Rica. Proposed new schedules to JFK: B6 1793...JFK 18.25....22.50...

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by SJOtoLIR
Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Adds JFK-MBJ/SJO/LIR, PHX-CID/ICT/MSY + Caribbean Extensions/Increases
Replies: 73
Views: 9110

Re: AA Adds JFK-MBJ/SJO/LIR, PHX-CID/ICT/MSY + Caribbean Extensions/Increases

Proposed schedules for New York City - Costa Rica on American Airlines: AA JFK 15.59....21.42 SJO...…738.....Daily AA SJO 23.03...05.19+1 JFK...738......Daily Effective: November 21st. Available as year-round basis. The northbound sector would be flown purely as "red-eyes." That unusual ti...

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by SJOtoLIR
Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

American Airlines will start new services to New York City from Costa Rica as shown:

AA JFK-SJO 7x weekly, 738. Year-round basis. Effective: November 21.

AA JFK-LIR 1x weekly, 738. Saturdays only. Effective: December 21.

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by SJOtoLIR
Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Wingo will resume their operations in Costa Rica as BOG-SJO 2x weekly.
Effective: September 03.

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by SJOtoLIR
Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

AV SAL-LAX from 21x to 28x weekly.
Effective: November 2019.

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by SJOtoLIR
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Is it coming back for (Brazilian) high-season December - April ? I ignore further details on that. It seems that the lack of demand is the responsible for such demise. Even CM PTY-REC 2x weekly and CM PTY-SSA 2x weekly are poorly served nowadays. American Airlines and Delta Air Lines learnt this le...

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by SJOtoLIR
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Copa Airlines closes CM PTY- FOR 2x weekly with 73G.
Discontinued: August 04.

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by SJOtoLIR
Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

New Central American routes announced for June 2019:

June 03: Air Europa UX MAD-PTY. 5x weekly, 788.
June 06: American Airlines AA DFW-TGU. 3x weekly, 319.
June 07: American Airlines AA DFW-SAP. 4x weekly, 319.

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by SJOtoLIR
Fri May 24, 2019 12:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

UX MAD-PTY 4x weekly with 788 is due to start on June 03rd as pointing out before. Copa Airlines has rapidly moved their cards and a mutual code-share cooperation has begun among these airlines as shown: Air Europa operated by Copa Airlines Panama City - Guatemala City Panama City - San Salvador Cop...

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by SJOtoLIR
Tue May 21, 2019 3:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

This isn't about lack of efficiency, this is about sheer incompetence by DGAC. Let me tell you that I briefly worked many years backward for the former Departamento de Infraestructura Aeronáutica of the DGAC, in La Uruca. I was able to verify that many of the mentioned deficiencies still remain in ...

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by SJOtoLIR
Sat May 18, 2019 4:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Would LATAM ever consider flying LIM-PTY? My interpretation is that LATAM in Panama City wouldn't happen soon due to the existance of CM PTY-LIM 42x weekly with 738. The transfering center at LIM doesn't seem competitive against those non-stop services to deep South America through PTY on Copa Airl...

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by SJOtoLIR
Sat May 18, 2019 2:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

The U.S. Department of Transportation’s Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today announced that the Republic of Costa Rica does not comply with International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) safety standards and has been assigned a Category 2 The FAA warns that DGAC -Costa Rican civil aviation...

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by SJOtoLIR
Tue May 14, 2019 1:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Dallas/Ft. Worth - Liberia; 7x to 14x weekly: AA 2860 DFW 2008 - 0004+1 LIR...738...Daily AA 2690 LIR 0106 - 0513 DFW...….738..Daily Effective: December 18th Based on this schedule allocation, Liberia would be working continuously as 24/7. The upcoming KL AMS-SJO-LIR-AMS has set the departure time ...

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by SJOtoLIR
Tue May 14, 2019 11:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

AA DFW-SJO and AA DFW-LIR will supply a daily extra flight in such routes. Proposed schedule: Dallas/Ft. Worth - Liberia; 7x to 14x weekly: AA 2860 DFW 2008 - 0004+1 LIR...738...Daily AA 2690 LIR 0106 - 0513 DFW...….738..Daily Effective: December 18th Dallas/Ft.Worth - San Jose; 7x to 14x weekly: A...

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by SJOtoLIR
Sat May 11, 2019 1:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

LRC315 wrote:
Air Transat is adding another route to Costa Rica. Flying YVR-SJO-LIR, twice a week, using their new A321neo LR.

It’s amazing how the long LIR-YVR sector would be flown comfortably for the 321neo LR.
It makes a resemblance to the upcoming KL AMS-SJO-LIR-AMS triangle route.

Regards.

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by SJOtoLIR
Sat May 11, 2019 1:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

The local media states that both AA DFW-SJO and AA DFW-LIR will supply a daily extra flight in such routes and following the “red-eye” pattern. Effective: December 18th. So far, AA MIA-SJO deploys an extra flight for Christmas season as “red-eye.” These flights are available for the high season only.

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by SJOtoLIR
Fri May 10, 2019 2:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

Aruba Airlines started a triangle route involving Central America: Havana - Aruba - Managua - Havana.

AG930 HAV1015 - 1245AUA1345 - 1445MGA.....Mo, Th.....320
AG931 MGA1615 - 2015HAV...........................….Mo, Th.....320
Effective: April 22nd

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by SJOtoLIR
Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

SJOtoLIR wrote:
The weekly frequencies of both CM GUA-MGA and CM SJO-GUA were reduced before.


I meant CM SJO-MGA and CM GUA-MGA

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by SJOtoLIR
Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

The withdrawal of AA DFW-MGA is not an isolated case.
The weekly frequencies of both CM GUA-MGA and CM SJO-GUA were reduced before.
The intended services of IB at MGA wouldn't happen in the near future.

Regards.

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by SJOtoLIR
Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Starting AMS-SJO-LIR Service in October 2019
Replies: 30
Views: 4819

Re: KLM launches LIR

Would be awesome if locals could book the SJO-LIR tag on. We couldn’t. Even TACA REGIONAL tried unsuccessfully on launching SJO-LIR with the 50-seater ATR-42. Lack of demand. Locals rarely fly SJO-LIR. This sector is attended by SANSA with Cessna Grand Caravans and these routes usually continue to ...

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by SJOtoLIR
Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

IB cannot do a dedicated MAD GUA MAD flight due to the altitude / runway length issues. You have a good point. This fact can stop the intended plans of the European airlines in serving Guatemala City with their wide-bodies. They would utilize the code-share services of either AV or CM over the laun...

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by SJOtoLIR
Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

My question arises with GUA and SAL: Guatemala is the largest CA economy (not counting PTY), and is also a tourist destination. SAL, not a tourist destination but a Star Alliance “hub”. Why did they not get more Europe flights? This is just my humble interpretation as I don't manage figures to sust...

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by SJOtoLIR
Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

The triangular KL AMS-SJO-LIR-AMS is implementing an agressive pattern in Liberia allowing up to four seasonal flights and linking the Netherlands and Guanacaste. The demand of passengers through LIR and coming from Europe is likely soaring to upper levels, taking into account that foreing travelers...

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by SJOtoLIR
Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

One more interesting fact of the KL LIR-AMS sector is the departure hour set at 21:15, four days a week.
I think KL LIR-AMS will be the latest leaving time ever through Liberia, speaking about scheduled flights.

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by SJOtoLIR
Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

can you buy tickets SJO-LIR? I don't think so. San Jose - Liberia and back is a tiny route and only available on Sansa Grand Caravans. RZ SJO-LIR usually continues to Tamarindo Beach, Nosara Beach, Tambor Beach and so forth. KL won't fly Liberia - San Jose. It's amazing how KL will be flying the 78...

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by SJOtoLIR
Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

LRC315 wrote:
the same that arrives to SJO making the total trip now AMS-SJO-LIR-AMS

Liberia to Amsterdam !
It sounds quite interesting as this intended flight will complement their operations to Europe, taking into account the services of BY [LGW-LIR] with 788.

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by SJOtoLIR
Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA EWR-EZE Route Performance
Replies: 53
Views: 10580

Re: UA EWR-EZE Route Performance

how EZE performs for UA out of Newark. UA EWR-EZE; both ways performance. Filter period……….Passengers….Available seats….Load factor July 2018...………….10 791...……….14 640...………….74% August 2018...………10 742...……….14 880...………….72% September 2018...….10 612...……….13 920...………….76% Source: US Department...

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by SJOtoLIR
Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

I understand that AV is having a lot of issues from new management to the trouble with AV Brazil to dumping all of the 190s. I'm sorry. I didn't understand your point for the first time. The retirement of the E90s seems rather to be focused into the expiration of their usage life for 2020. Copa Air...

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by SJOtoLIR
Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/ana-mex ... n-america/
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SJOtoLIR wrote:
The westbound NH MEX-NRT flies as non-stop route with the 788 jet


Related press release:
https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/ana-mex ... n-america/

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by SJOtoLIR
Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

AV is having a lot of issues from new management to the trouble with AV Brazil to dumping all of the 190s. Their eight E90s are based in Central America, not Brazil. They're still featuring the TA [TACA] designator into their registration numbers: N935TA N936TA N937TA N938TA N986TA N987TA N988TA N9...

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by SJOtoLIR
Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

the flight has to stop at TIJ on the westbound because of the altitude of MEX NH 179 MEX 01.00.....06.40+1 NRT.....Daily….788 NH 180 NRT 16.40.....13.55 MEX...…..Daily…..788 The westbound NH MEX-NRT flies as non-stop route with the 788 jet, meaning a 14.30 flight in average. Same with AM MEX-NRT wi...

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by SJOtoLIR
Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

LTU932 wrote:
AV is cancelling flights from GUA to TGU, NYC (I presume they mean JFK?), ORD, MCO

The withdrawal of AV GUA-ORD alongside with AV BOG-ORD should mean the suspension of all their flights to Chicago.
Tha airline hasn't announced yet if AV SAL-ORD will return after June 01st.

Regards.

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by SJOtoLIR
Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

The Asian airlines are rather choosing Canada or the mainland United States on the way to Latin America, like CZ CAN-YVR-MEX and CA PEK-IAH-PTY. Some routes from the past and no longer in service: BR TPE-LAX-PTY, JL NRT-JFK-GRU, JL NRT-YVR-MEX. Perhaps a tag-on from NH NRT-MEX may work to Panama City.

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by SJOtoLIR
Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 25417

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2019

I still think that the ATR is the best aircraft for many intra-CA routes. Such a shame it is going away. Think of the likes of: FRS-GUA; SAL-RTB; SAL-TGU/SAP; GUA-TGU/SAP; SAL-MGA; SAL-BZE. SAL-BZE and SAL-MGA have been traditionally operated by means of jet aircrafts; the rest I totally agreed wit...

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