The NTSB B-roll shows a sizeable rock berm at the water's edge ... and the airplane plowed right through/over it ... Safe to say, not much of the underside probably withstood that very well. The pictures of the recovery onto the barge don't seem to show any kind of intact landing gear (not surprisin...Jump to post
Reference the AoA sensor disagree lights and Southwest. Southwest is Boeings best customer and they are not happy campers right now. Neither are the pilots at Southwest. Southwest has even been talking to Airbus about the A220. I just wonder how Boeing is going to regain their trust Although the Ao...Jump to post
Outside of the normal release just after the accident (which we've had), it's not uncommon for an investigation to essentially "go dark" until it's complete or near complete, and the NTSB holds its hearing to reveal the findings. There's usually no news unless there's something that needs ...Jump to post
I looked this up a year or two ago. The 717s that DL are subleasing from WN are/were owned by Boeing Capital. When DL agreed to sublease the 717s there was also an agreement with Boeing. In short, how it worked is as the WN lease with Boeing expired, DL had the ability (or maybe obligation) to then...Jump to post
VV wrote:Have you guys jacked a car?
Even if ATL uses the new updated tray system, there's more to it than that. Cause other airports use that and I don;t see the speed that ATL has. I can't help think it's a management style and an overall attitude. They just seem to do everything well. Even the folks who work the food places are gre...Jump to post
It’s not hard in good conditions. But in bad conditions it can be, as is shown by the ET pilot not being able to get it moving. More completely unknown details stated as known fact. We have no proof they even touched the trim wheels, let alone couldn't turn them. Sadly I think we will find out that...Jump to post
Chemist wrote:That's nothing. Try flying westward over the New Mexico Rockies in a Cherokee 140 and seeing 60kts on your GPS, and watching semi-trucks on the interstate below going faster than you.
Anyone find it interesting that in both crashes, it was the left side AoA that had issues? And, if LionAir replaced the AoA, that means that two units failed - both on the left side. I will betcha that one (or both) of these reports will contain statistical analysis of AoA failures reported, and it ...Jump to post
Honest question: remind me again, why was AoA sensor replacement required in first place? Could that be an indication of a sleeping problem in the system somewhere between AoA sensor and signal processor or ADIRU? This is something that one of these final reports is going to address, for sure ... T...Jump to post
So do I see it correctly that the flaps were retracted but Mcas then self-activated? Gesendet von meinem SM-G950F mit MCAS is only active when flaps are up. And that's the saddest thing of all right there ... both of these crashes would never have happened had the crew simply re-extended the flaps,...Jump to post
The report actually looks quite comprehensive however it conveniently doesn't talk about the last few minutes of the flight when DOWN electric trim was recorded. But that is automatic down trim. And it is mentioned in the report. The report quite clearly states that DOWN electric trim was automatic...Jump to post
Digging back to what I think was the idea of the question (even if somewhat confusingly phrased) ... Let's posit that MCAS has spun the trim to a large extent, creating the types of control issues suspected to have led to these crashes. Moving the trim back into its normal position would be the most...Jump to post
Pilots reported performance issues in the #1 engine during accent. Plane returned to the field. Upon arrival FOD was ingested into the #1 on approach. Plane landed and is at the SWA MCO hangar and will be for a while until a replacement Leap engine can be brought in to swap out. Problem is there ar...Jump to post
When I first saw this, all I could think was "wait a minute, there isn't a baseball club in Orlando" ...
(since when has Melbourne's airport had Orlando in the name? Can't honestly blame them for suing, it's really not close at all, being all the way over on the coast)
... - but still any competent pilot would have seen an issue with the Electric Trim and disconnected it as did the pilot on the previous Lionair flight. How many pilots ran across this problem and "did the right thing" (TM, in your view) and survived? ( Is this actually a reportable issue...Jump to post
I’m wondering if there is an element of CRM involved here as well. The pilot hits thumb switch 21 times to counter the MCAS action. Then instead of turning of STAB TRIM he hands over the AC to the FO to do some troubleshooting. Why not tell him: “I have to keep hitting the thumb switch. Keep doing ...Jump to post
In response to post #2340 Regarding the Lion Air JT610 accident flight, at 23:22:05 UTC, the DFDR recorded the aircraft altitude was approximately 2,150 feet and the flaps were retracted. After the flaps reached 0, the DFDR recorded automatic aircraft nose down (AND) trim active for 10 seconds foll...Jump to post
If they had problems almost immediately after takeoff, then would MCAS be the issue? MCAS doesn't go into effect until flaps are retracted. It shouldn’t go into effect until flaps are retracted. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t go into effect until flaps are retracted. From the Lion Air crash we know i...Jump to post
NTSB says they plan to release a transcript of the CVR in the next week. Will be interesting to see that. I have a question for those who work in aviation here. The NTSB says the audio quality of the CVR is poor and needs some enhancement. On this thread people have said by looking at the pictures ...Jump to post
it seems like the best way to keep all the found parts organized would be to lay them out in their original location within the outline of a 767 on the floor of a warehouse even if reconstructing the aircraft in 3D on scaffolding as was done with TWA 800 proves unnecessary. Also, if the data from b...Jump to post
zanl188 wrote:CVR data module appears fairly intact....
Why they keep the CVR unit submerged in water during transport? As noted in the posts above, it's to keep it hydrated during transport ... in addition, in the photos (and youtube video) in the NTSB lab, the first thing they do is transfer it from the transport cooler (filled with the same water as ...Jump to post
1549 is commonly referred to as an engine "shutdown" ... but they never really actually fully shut down, they spun, kinda, and kept going enough that minimal power was available at the very least until the APU came online (first thing they did was start the APU, which likely saved them). W...Jump to post
It is a scary thought that something in the back breaks, causes an unfixable control surfaces deflection, and the people in front suddenly become helpless passengers. As I don't know how the horizontal stabilizer is constructed on a 767 (or any airliner, for that matter), could someone with knowled...Jump to post
I have always wondered in recent years, why "suddenly" so many old and even some very old (20 y +) 767s were converted to freighters. Airplanes which had reached the age at which most planes are being scrapped. The Amazon freighter which sadly has crashed now is among them. The freighter ...Jump to post
I still hear “pull” and it sounds similar to the voice in that video. As Whiplash stated, any GPWS callout - even a run-of-the-mill altitude readout - is loud . The whole point of them is that they can be heard clearly and unambiguously above the cockpit din, speech, wind nose, engine noise and so ...Jump to post
Having read the Flightglobal item, we now know only slightly more than before. However, IMO the size of the debris field would seem to indicate that it was in one piece until impact. In that’s the case then where is the fuel. Very little fuel contamination reported on the ground. Y'all are assuming...Jump to post
Reportedly, a young pilot: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6739049/Pictured-Pilot-killed-Atlas-Air-cargo-jet-crash-operating-Amazon-Prime-Air.html This was the jumpseater. Dailymail gets it wrong again. This is what I’m talking about a lack of known factual information and speculation and ...Jump to post
Another key, critical, point that will scuttle this effort : Delta has primary right of refusal to any change in ownership of the airport.
It's written into their lease, which was just renewed for another 30 years.
Eh. Aircrafts skids off run way all the time, in the US and elsewhere, operated by US airlines or otherwise. Here is the list of Lion Air "incidents", as shown on Wikipedia. You all can make your own judgments about whether the number seems out-of-line or not: On 14 January 2002, Lion Air...Jump to post
I have to wonder ... as technology has gotten better, and new aircraft models come along, throttle response on their powerplants has also steadily improved.
An older jet, with slower response ... well, this could very well have been a vastly different, and nasty, outcome.
772 was the LGA aircraft and they have not reregistered it. N753SW was the aircraft that operated WN345 that had a nose gear collapse at LGA 5 years ago. It was indeed written off. "nose gear collapse" is a polite way of putting it ... the nose gear was shoved up through the floor of the ...Jump to post
I wonder if this will end up on one of those "Humongous Moves" tv shows ...Jump to post
I'd imagine that the small amounts of Li in the battery aren't much of a concern re: water ... and the idea is to reduce the temperature enough that you don't re-ignite.
Remember this is a thermal based chemical reaction, not a oxygen based combustion reaction.
Years ago, in STL, AA had CRJ flights to Springfield IL and MO, boarding at the same time from the same gate. The airplanes were parked next to each other and had 10 min staggered departure times. FA told me they blocked 4 seats on each return flight specifically for "oops I'm in the wrong stat...Jump to post
Look at UA232 at Sioux City. There was no "checklist" for loss of 3rd engine and loss of all flight controls. The pilots figured out as best they could what had happened and flew the plane solely with two engines, using differential power for pitch, turn, etc. That's not something I imagi...Jump to post
On Boeing; It doesn't seem hard to me to revise the code to "AoA = Disagree then MCAS = Off" Easy to say, but as the 737 avionic is split in two, left side and right side, without communication between the two, it will be difficult to generate a AoA disagree on each FCC. The displays have...Jump to post
Maybe they can make it after all ...
FAA inspectors, engineers called back to work amid shutdown
https://www.ajc.com/news/national/faa-i ... NOOUJCqWK/
Under 28 feet of mud according to CNN. How did it get buried so deep and how the hell did they find that it? Some of these shallow water impact craters are amazingly deep, go look at the writeups on the recovery of the Valujet everglades crash ... pieces of that airplane ended up way, way underneat...Jump to post