I would be surprised to see a 747-8 freighter conversion program given the very small feedstock and the fact that by the time airlines really need 744F replacements the airline 748s will have pretty high hours. As for what will happen to 1435 and 1446, I'd guess that 1435 will be scrapped some time ...Jump to post
How solid is the 777-8 specs? Could Boeing reduced the length to make it a better freighter? That might make it better for operators who are weight limited, but the operators I think are most likely to order the 778F if it is ever made are not weight limited. They need an airplane that can fly as m...Jump to post
You mean other than the many claims, which neither GE nor Boeing has given us any reason to doubt, that the GE9x has 10% better cruise SFC than the latest GE90? TSFC and block fuel are not the same. You made reference to block fuel. No, they're not, but there is no reason the 778 should require eno...Jump to post
Have you got any evidence to show a 778 burns less fuel than a 77W ? You mean other than the many claims, which neither GE nor Boeing has given us any reason to doubt, that the GE9x has 10% better cruise SFC than the latest GE90? The weight difference between the two frames should be much smaller t...Jump to post
I don’t agree, I think they will go with converted 77Ws as that gives them more volume (bit over 10’ longer) and a lot cheaper. Will be lots of cheap 77Ws as stock available. FedEx is volume driven, not weight. FedEx gets enough utilization out of their TPAC fleet (15+ hours/day) that I expect the ...Jump to post
I see the 778F as a FedEx TPAC special, maybe with a few other sales to other operators flying TPAC nonstop with high utilization. That's not a big market. Other markets seem better suited for some combination of legacy 747s, 77W CF (which I should have included in the list), and 77F. The 778F will ...Jump to post
An off-topic discussion of a potential 777X freighter derailed the 777X production thread, but it was a worthwhile discussion, and I thought I'd continue it here. The freight market has had wild swings lately as the receding world economy and the drastic drop in passenger travel under COVID-19 push ...Jump to post
The 732 is likely to be better supported for longer than most of the alternatives you all are dreaming up.Jump to post
I don't think retirement of the early builds says much about the future of the rest of the fleet, which depends almost entirely on whether the world resumes pre-COVID travel patterns within the next couple of years. It's been known since they entered service that the early builds are more expensive ...Jump to post
Nice piece of Nostalgia, would anyone here know if the GE powered 777-200er has a better range than RR or PW powered versions or do all 777-200er have the same performance? GE and RR are very close, with a slight (measured in single-digit minutes) advantage to GE. PW was never available with the to...Jump to post
Pretty hard to imagine that any 747-400 could not handle that kind of leg, usually around 15 hours? More like 16 hours westbound, and, no, it's just a bit too much for a 747-400 in typical configuration unless you block off some seats. The 777-300ER has about an extra 45 minutes of range compared t...Jump to post
The 747's fuselage supplier has shut down. It's impossible to imagine a scenario in which Boeing picks up enough orders to make building the fuselages itself, or bootstrapping another supplier, worth it.
Edit: I didn't notice there was a page 2, and I see that's already been covered.
With the rate at which this thing is utilized, there is pretty much zero chance that any re-engining would pay for itself. And, if you were going to re-engine, you'd want a cheap and easily serviceable workhorse like a CF6-80C2, not a newer and much more expensive engine with exotic materials that i...Jump to post
AA737-823 wrote:What's up with N634VA, titles removed, engines removed, parked in Marana?
Maybe I missed it up thread somewhere...
Yes, if any type threatens the 747's records in the near future, it will be the 767, not the DC-10/MD-11, and most likely early 767s of Delta. After that, we'll have to wait until the latter part of this decade to see if any 777 approaches these totals. The hours totals reached by these 747s and 767...Jump to post
A 6-wheel A359F is a slightly smaller 777F competitor, or an MD-11 replacement with some additional range. A 4-wheel A359F could serve a role either as a long-range package carrier or as a short-range heavy-lift freighter. It could potentially save on operating costs vs. the 777F in a number of FedE...Jump to post
AS service on board is far superior than any carrier bar none .. Flying on them evokes memories of the 60's when flying was special and passengers were treated as such. Starting with the pre-departure drinks in F on AS...oh wait they don't do that. OK lets look at Y; Premium snacks in Premium Y on ...Jump to post
While some A320s will be older, I think the remaining domestic 757s have to be the first priority for narrowbody replacement. They have fewer remaining cycles and their economics are increasingly difficult. But I think the first tranche of A321neos already on order should deal with most of them. The...Jump to post
I'm sure that before Boeing greenlighted the second 787 rate reduction all potential high-volume customers, including DL, were given a chance to bite at the best deal Boeing could offer and have the 12 rate still make sense. Some existing or unannounced orders may have come out of that, but it doesn...Jump to post
Don't forget that Boeing is constrained on 787-10 production capacity because they can be assembled only at Charleston. So far, Boeing has been far more aggressive with deals on 787-9s than 787-10s. In any case, either version of 787 is more aircraft than DL needs here. Extremely cheap 787-8s would ...Jump to post
I suppose if the Mexican government has really trapped itself into requiring $130 million or no sale, then there really aren't many options. I don't know whether the report of a $125 million offer is correct or not, but there is certainly a buyer out there for a VIP 787 at the right price. In VIP co...Jump to post
Worth noting that the two ex-LH MD-11s UPS is taking are the last two MD-11s built. LH still has four more of similar vintage (and some older ones too). Will UPS take any more of the late builds?Jump to post
Is this for real? If you gave title to a widebody aircraft to an ordinary citizen for free, they would not have a hope of shepherding the thing through a sale process without going bankrupt. And this particular aircraft would be much harder to sell than most.Jump to post
There is a lot of incorrect information upthread about the 788. It was never intended to be the longest-range 787. It was designed from the start with a smaller main gear and a lighter structure than other 787 variants, so it has a much lower MTOW (228 t vs. 254 t) and somewhat shorter range despite...Jump to post
sdf880 wrote:Was told both going to be brought up to UPS specs (minor differences) and going on-line!
If Airbus really wants to make the most of these, it should stretch both A350 variants by a few rows. At current lengths, they would both turn into ULH monsters vulnerable from below to a re-engined 787-10. I'm sure there will be a re-engined 787 around the same timeframe, and both makers will need ...Jump to post
The 77L can carry a good deal more payload than the 359 on this particular route. The 77Ls used on the route are freshly refurbished so the passenger experience is similar to the 350. I have no doubt that the green eyeshades have done the math and that the 77L can generate enough extra revenue on th...Jump to post
It is essentially impossible to accumulate this sort of flight hours unless you are flying high-utilization, long-haul commercial service. Short-haul airliners rack up cycles but their utilization in hours tends to be lower. Military, tourist, and most freight aircraft are operating far, far less. F...Jump to post
Good grief. Cancel the MAX? Try to replace it with Russian or Chinese programs? This is an engineering issue and there is an engineering solution. Even if it took two more years to get the MAX back into the air that would be a better outcome for the customers than delivering 737-800s to them instead...Jump to post
Not until W20-21 by the looks of it as the oldest 76Ls are getting life extension programs this Winter at VQQ. Seems possible that one or more of them will get very close to what I believe is the LOV of 150k hours. Or does the life extension allow them to fly beyond 150k? If so, a Delta 767 might b...Jump to post
I doubt the decals will be around too much longer, because I expect the A321neo to become a permanent part of the fleet. A319s and A320s will go away when leases expire, as has already been announced.Jump to post
Boeing is not going to talk about future plans until the MAX is back in service, full stop. And those who think the MAX program could be scrapped are simply delusional. Scrapping the MAX without a replacement would end Boeing as a viable business and would be an existential threat for the airlines w...Jump to post
I won't have the slightest hesitation about flying on a MAX from day one of recertification. Everyone involved, including both Boeing and the regulators, has been under intense scrutiny throughout the whole MAX episode and I think it is virtually impossible for any more shortcuts like the original M...Jump to post
I prefer the A350 examples above without the raccoon mask to most A350s with the mask. IMO the cockpit windows look a little goofy from the side, but fine from the front.
To me, the raccoon mask makes it look like Airbus is trying to fool people into thinking there's just one big piece of glass.
I expect AF has in mind to add to the 789 fleet in the long term, once 332s are up for replacement. But they need to deal with 340s and 380s before they can get around to 332s or 77Es. We've seen so many operators operate 787s and A350s side by side—it's clear that they have complementary strengths,...Jump to post
Every month of delay reduces the opportunity cost of waiting until new-engine 787s and A350s are available. I have a feeling something like the following may be happening: 777-8 delayed too long A350-1000 or 777-200LR payload a bit too low 777-9 payload too low 787-9 payload much too low ... project...Jump to post
For most operators, low on belly freight, the A321LR does already the work of a 757-200WL. The XLR does go a step further in range, while impinging less on the capabilities for belly freight. We have also seen A321ceo replacing 757 on all but the 10% range dependent routes. There are already around...Jump to post
The A319 and A320 have no future at AS; they'll be returned over the next few years as the leases expire, replaced by the MAX 9s on order and options that will be taken up. The A321neo, however, does have a future, and I think as Airbus expands the capabilities of this aircraft, it will eventually ...Jump to post
We'll see. I think Munoz was very good for the airline, and maybe the only type of personality who could have healed the merger rifts. Kirby has to show me that he won't take the Dougie approach of a manic focus on cost cuts regardless of their effect on consumer outcomes or employee welfare.Jump to post
Boeing was talking about it (a stretch to 80m) with British Airways some time back, but I have never understood why Boeing did not make it the full 80 meters from the outset because, IMO, the frame really needs every seat it can get to compete with the A350-1000. I have to believe Emirates would ha...Jump to post
I have to say that is quite a surprise. The 2022 timing seemed appropriate for existing replacement needs. It looks like UA is either going to fly the wings off its older 767s and 777s, or order more 787s. The first batch of 767-300ERs is around 115k hours today, so they are going to get into unchar...Jump to post
LH historically used their MD-11s a good deal more intensively than FedEx has in recent years. The 777F has taken over most of FedEx's high-utilization flying and a substantial number of MD-11s are just flying one round trip a day to a domestic destination. The LH MD-11s have quite high hours.Jump to post
AS is definitely open to giving Airbus some business; in a conversation with Brad awhile back about the fleet, he’d acknowledged that neither Airbus nor Boeing had stepped up with an offer that was too good to pass up. It’s quite possible that has changed by now, however, as the fleet plan gets fin...Jump to post